Re: [bolger] Re: Topaz, I want one!
Ouch--yeah, very close. If you are going to use
marine ply somewhere, it ought to be in the 1/4 inch
"nose", the ply is under a lot of stess and wouldn't
bend well over a void. Gee, Bruce, I wish you hadn't
added that up for me.
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marine ply somewhere, it ought to be in the 1/4 inch
"nose", the ply is under a lot of stess and wouldn't
bend well over a void. Gee, Bruce, I wish you hadn't
added that up for me.
--- brucehallman <brucehallman@...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock__________________________________________________
> <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
> > I have not kept track of the costs...The boat
> requires...
>
> ...<big snip, wild guesses and reformat>...
>
> Plans...................................... $250.00
> Topsides...8....sheets..1/2..mdo. $20.00 .. $160.00
> Bottom....16....sheets..1/2..acx. $20.00 .. $320.00
> sides......6....sheets..1/2..mdo. $30.00 .. $180.00
> bulkheads..4....sheets..1/2..mdo. $30.00 .. $120.00
> cabin roof.5....sheets..3/8..acx. $20.00 .. $100.00
> bow........3....sheets..1/4..acx. $20.00 .. $60.00
> 5 oz cloth.120..yards............. $5.50 .. $660.00
> epoxy.....20....gallons.......... $55.00 $1,100.00
> inside....10....sheets..1/2..acx. $20.00 .. $200.00
> oak.......100....bf............... $4.00 .. $400.00
> misc (glue, nails, hardware, more)....... $1,000.00
> Yamaha T-50.............................. $3,500.00
> Steering Junk.............................. $500.00
> "Toilet, stove, lights".................... $750.00
> Cushions................................... $500.00
> Glass...................................... $500.00
> Trailer.................................... $700.00
> ===================================================
> $11,000.00
>
> Sound about right???
>
>
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--- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
Plans...................................... $250.00
Topsides...8....sheets..1/2..mdo. $20.00 .. $160.00
Bottom....16....sheets..1/2..acx. $20.00 .. $320.00
sides......6....sheets..1/2..mdo. $30.00 .. $180.00
bulkheads..4....sheets..1/2..mdo. $30.00 .. $120.00
cabin roof.5....sheets..3/8..acx. $20.00 .. $100.00
bow........3....sheets..1/4..acx. $20.00 .. $60.00
5 oz cloth.120..yards............. $5.50 .. $660.00
epoxy.....20....gallons.......... $55.00 $1,100.00
inside....10....sheets..1/2..acx. $20.00 .. $200.00
oak.......100....bf............... $4.00 .. $400.00
misc (glue, nails, hardware, more)....... $1,000.00
Yamaha T-50.............................. $3,500.00
Steering Junk.............................. $500.00
"Toilet, stove, lights".................... $750.00
Cushions................................... $500.00
Glass...................................... $500.00
Trailer.................................... $700.00
===================================================
$11,000.00
Sound about right???
> I have not kept track of the costs...The boat requires......<big snip, wild guesses and reformat>...
Plans...................................... $250.00
Topsides...8....sheets..1/2..mdo. $20.00 .. $160.00
Bottom....16....sheets..1/2..acx. $20.00 .. $320.00
sides......6....sheets..1/2..mdo. $30.00 .. $180.00
bulkheads..4....sheets..1/2..mdo. $30.00 .. $120.00
cabin roof.5....sheets..3/8..acx. $20.00 .. $100.00
bow........3....sheets..1/4..acx. $20.00 .. $60.00
5 oz cloth.120..yards............. $5.50 .. $660.00
epoxy.....20....gallons.......... $55.00 $1,100.00
inside....10....sheets..1/2..acx. $20.00 .. $200.00
oak.......100....bf............... $4.00 .. $400.00
misc (glue, nails, hardware, more)....... $1,000.00
Yamaha T-50.............................. $3,500.00
Steering Junk.............................. $500.00
"Toilet, stove, lights".................... $750.00
Cushions................................... $500.00
Glass...................................... $500.00
Trailer.................................... $700.00
===================================================
$11,000.00
Sound about right???
I may be using "tortured ply" wrongly--The panels may
be cupped in two dimensions, although only slightly in
one. What Bolger has designed is a rockered, flat
bottom with a spine sticking down from it at a right
angle. looked at in profile, this gives the final
shape of the bow, with the keel line on the front
section even with the flat bottom of the after
portion, turning up at the forefoot to a near-pumb
cutwater. Then pre-shaped 1/4" panels are forced into
place and glassed at the chine (formed by the
upward-rockered main bottom) and the keel (the bottom
of the spine sticking down from the rockered main
bottom). I am explaining this poorly, I wish they
would buid a pencil into this computer. The upshot is
that you get the ease of construction of a sharpy but
the smooth entry of a fine-bowed, round-bilged hull
forward. The 1/4 panels, once they have been coerced
into shape, are extremely stiff. Molded of two layers
and backed with foam, as on Tahiti, they must be
strong indeed. You are right, this came from a truly
creative mind.
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be cupped in two dimensions, although only slightly in
one. What Bolger has designed is a rockered, flat
bottom with a spine sticking down from it at a right
angle. looked at in profile, this gives the final
shape of the bow, with the keel line on the front
section even with the flat bottom of the after
portion, turning up at the forefoot to a near-pumb
cutwater. Then pre-shaped 1/4" panels are forced into
place and glassed at the chine (formed by the
upward-rockered main bottom) and the keel (the bottom
of the spine sticking down from the rockered main
bottom). I am explaining this poorly, I wish they
would buid a pencil into this computer. The upshot is
that you get the ease of construction of a sharpy but
the smooth entry of a fine-bowed, round-bilged hull
forward. The 1/4 panels, once they have been coerced
into shape, are extremely stiff. Molded of two layers
and backed with foam, as on Tahiti, they must be
strong indeed. You are right, this came from a truly
creative mind.
--- brucehallman <brucehallman@...> wrote:
> Revealing my cluelessness; though I have heard of a__________________________________________________
> 'tortured ply',
> other than the basic definition, compound bent
> plywood, I have no
> idea of how this process works. Further still, I
> can't begin to
> imagine what twist Mr. Bolger's creative mind might
> have added to
> this method.
>
>
>
>
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--- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
other than the basic definition, compound bent plywood, I have no
idea of how this process works. Further still, I can't begin to
imagine what twist Mr. Bolger's creative mind might have added to
this method.
>...and Bolger's ingenious tortured ply panelsRevealing my cluelessness; though I have heard of a 'tortured ply',
other than the basic definition, compound bent plywood, I have no
idea of how this process works. Further still, I can't begin to
imagine what twist Mr. Bolger's creative mind might have added to
this method.
I believe my Topaz will be the second hull to go in
the water. It is indeed a pretty boat, even put
together by a wood butcher like me (don't stand too
close). I have not kept track of the costs (a
technique I believe psychiatrists call �viodance),
using spare income as I went. The boat requires 8
sheets of 1/2 ply for the topsides, with little waste,
16 for the 1" thick bottom, with some waste, leaving
cut-offs for the smaller bulkheads and other pieces, 5
or six sheets of 1/2 for the cabin sides, 3 or 4 more
for bulkheads and decking, 5 sheets of 3/8 for the
cabin roof, 3 sheet of 1/4" for the deadrise false
nose, plus cloth and 20? gal of epoxy. With a little
white oak or mahog. for rub rails and cabin stringers,
that finishes the structure. The inside is simple, a
few sheets of a/c ply for bunks/head
compartment/galley, etc. Finally, glass and acrylic
for all those windows. I would imagine the boat is
similar in cost to build to one of Bolger's "state"
series boats of the same length. Basically, topaz is
a 31'pirogue, with the bow rockered and Bolger's
ingenious tortured ply panels applied below the rocker
to make the forward "deadrise" false nose.
Bolger has used the same basic hull to make the
Tahiti passagemaker featured in this month's MAIB,
except Tahiti is displacement hull with aft rocker,
and Topaz is a planing hull w/ straight run aft (plus
the scantlings are doubled on Tahiti).
My Topaz will go in this summer with the
specified 50 horse high-thrust outboard. I'll let you
know how she does--I'm eager to try her out in the
Delaware Bay chop. She was very easy to build
solo--no glitches in the plans. Sam
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the water. It is indeed a pretty boat, even put
together by a wood butcher like me (don't stand too
close). I have not kept track of the costs (a
technique I believe psychiatrists call �viodance),
using spare income as I went. The boat requires 8
sheets of 1/2 ply for the topsides, with little waste,
16 for the 1" thick bottom, with some waste, leaving
cut-offs for the smaller bulkheads and other pieces, 5
or six sheets of 1/2 for the cabin sides, 3 or 4 more
for bulkheads and decking, 5 sheets of 3/8 for the
cabin roof, 3 sheet of 1/4" for the deadrise false
nose, plus cloth and 20? gal of epoxy. With a little
white oak or mahog. for rub rails and cabin stringers,
that finishes the structure. The inside is simple, a
few sheets of a/c ply for bunks/head
compartment/galley, etc. Finally, glass and acrylic
for all those windows. I would imagine the boat is
similar in cost to build to one of Bolger's "state"
series boats of the same length. Basically, topaz is
a 31'pirogue, with the bow rockered and Bolger's
ingenious tortured ply panels applied below the rocker
to make the forward "deadrise" false nose.
Bolger has used the same basic hull to make the
Tahiti passagemaker featured in this month's MAIB,
except Tahiti is displacement hull with aft rocker,
and Topaz is a planing hull w/ straight run aft (plus
the scantlings are doubled on Tahiti).
My Topaz will go in this summer with the
specified 50 horse high-thrust outboard. I'll let you
know how she does--I'm eager to try her out in the
Delaware Bay chop. She was very easy to build
solo--no glitches in the plans. Sam
--- brucehallman <brucehallman@...> wrote:
> Just re-reading the MAIB V19#3 regarding Design 650__________________________________________________
> Topaz. I had
> been coveting a Champlain, which is an amazingly
> dense package.
> Yet, the aesthetics of a boxy design varys from
> person to person...
> while the Topaz I feel would be considered beautiful
> by anybody.
>
> [Consensus, a boxy boat has little resale value, but
> Topaz might have
> some resale value, no?]
>
> Seems like a perfect boat for a summer camping
> vacation at the lake,
> weekend camping in the delta, etc..
>
> Plus, towing it, being a little narrower, seems less
> daunting to me.
>
> What is a "ball park" guess at the costs of
> materials of Topaz.
>
>
>
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Just re-reading the MAIB V19#3 regarding Design 650 Topaz. I had
been coveting a Champlain, which is an amazingly dense package.
Yet, the aesthetics of a boxy design varys from person to person...
while the Topaz I feel would be considered beautiful by anybody.
[Consensus, a boxy boat has little resale value, but Topaz might have
some resale value, no?]
Seems like a perfect boat for a summer camping vacation at the lake,
weekend camping in the delta, etc..
Plus, towing it, being a little narrower, seems less daunting to me.
What is a "ball park" guess at the costs of materials of Topaz.
been coveting a Champlain, which is an amazingly dense package.
Yet, the aesthetics of a boxy design varys from person to person...
while the Topaz I feel would be considered beautiful by anybody.
[Consensus, a boxy boat has little resale value, but Topaz might have
some resale value, no?]
Seems like a perfect boat for a summer camping vacation at the lake,
weekend camping in the delta, etc..
Plus, towing it, being a little narrower, seems less daunting to me.
What is a "ball park" guess at the costs of materials of Topaz.