Re: [bolger] Re: Tahiti Design #653
Are we talking stiffness, strength, or weight. Weight
wise ply comes out around 10 pounds/sheet/1/8", in
1088, so you would be talking in the 80# range.
I wonder what is the decision point for using steel
versus plywood. <BR>
I don't know, but my guess is that 1/4" steel
plate is roughly <BR>
equivalent to 1" of plywood, and 4x8 of 1/4"
steel (320lbs) should <BR>
cost about $80 dollars, while a sheet of 1"
plywood is about half of <BR>
that.<BR>
<BR>
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wise ply comes out around 10 pounds/sheet/1/8", in
1088, so you would be talking in the 80# range.
I wonder what is the decision point for using steel
versus plywood. <BR>
I don't know, but my guess is that 1/4" steel
plate is roughly <BR>
equivalent to 1" of plywood, and 4x8 of 1/4"
steel (320lbs) should <BR>
cost about $80 dollars, while a sheet of 1"
plywood is about half of <BR>
that.<BR>
<BR>
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On Friday 19 April 2002 06:03, brucehallman wrote:
paint systems. Although, I guess if you factor in sheathing
the plywood maybe the cost of paint doesn't look so bad.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
> I wonder what is the decision point for using steel versus plywood.I think that steel becomes expensive when you look at the
> I don't know, but my guess is that 1/4" steel plate is roughly
> equivalent to 1" of plywood, and 4x8 of 1/4" steel (320lbs) should
> cost about $80 dollars, while a sheet of 1" plywood is about half of
> that.
paint systems. Although, I guess if you factor in sheathing
the plywood maybe the cost of paint doesn't look so bad.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
The design would be easy to execute in steel but one of the concepts of
the Tahiti is the floatation of the wood. She is supposed to be
unsinkable.
HJ
David Romasco wrote:
the Tahiti is the floatation of the wood. She is supposed to be
unsinkable.
HJ
David Romasco wrote:
>
> But Bruce....
>
> I doubt I'd hire a welder who built and is cruising in... a plywood
> boat! Mixed message at best (unless Tahiti could be cranked out in
> steel or aluminium, in which case the welder is essential, and the boat
> itself is your business card). Just a thought.
>
> David Romasco
>
On the other hand, if you take said boat to Tahiti, would you have to file at all?
Chuck
particular knowledge of the IRS, I would say that if your boat
actually is your business, then your boat expenses would be
deductible for the most part. However, if your boat is a scheme meant
to look like a business but is not actually a business, then they
would not. I'm sure the IRS has notions based on, for example, how
many hours a year you use the boat for work.
I am really, really sure that having a programmer-for-hire aboard
does not make my boat deductible.
Peter
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> I wonder...with a welder for hire on a boat does all ofSpeaking as a public-spirited citizen and not as anyone with
> sudden your boat becomes a business, and expenses related to your
> boat become Schedule C deductable business expenses?
particular knowledge of the IRS, I would say that if your boat
actually is your business, then your boat expenses would be
deductible for the most part. However, if your boat is a scheme meant
to look like a business but is not actually a business, then they
would not. I'm sure the IRS has notions based on, for example, how
many hours a year you use the boat for work.
I am really, really sure that having a programmer-for-hire aboard
does not make my boat deductible.
Peter
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--- In bolger@y..., "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...> wrote:
I don't know, but my guess is that 1/4" steel plate is roughly
equivalent to 1" of plywood, and 4x8 of 1/4" steel (320lbs) should
cost about $80 dollars, while a sheet of 1" plywood is about half of
that.
> cranked out in steelI wonder what is the decision point for using steel versus plywood.
I don't know, but my guess is that 1/4" steel plate is roughly
equivalent to 1" of plywood, and 4x8 of 1/4" steel (320lbs) should
cost about $80 dollars, while a sheet of 1" plywood is about half of
that.
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> I am really, really sure that having a programmer-for-hire aboard
> does not make my boat deductible.
Funny thing. If you rented an office on land in which to sit and
work as a programmer-for-hire it would be a business expense.
Floating on water negates that, doesn't seem fair.
I think the real test of whether it is a real business is whether you
turn a profit after a couple years. A floating platform to repair
floating boats sounds like a "real" business model to me, not exactly
get rich quick idea, but you could turn a small profit I would
think.
===
What got me going, was the thought that buying a used welding machine
at a construction equipment auction would be a possible way to
acquire a cheap used Deutz diesel engine to power a Tahati or
Dakota. Why then discard the welding machine guts? Perhaps you
could build them into the boat somehow. At the least, it could be
used to generate some serious electrical capacity for charging your
batteries. :-)
> I wonder...with a welder for hire on a boat does all ofSpeaking as a public-spirited citizen and not as anyone with
> sudden your boat becomes a business, and expenses related to your
> boat become Schedule C deductable business expenses?
particular knowledge of the IRS, I would say that if your boat
actually is your business, then your boat expenses would be
deductible for the most part. However, if your boat is a scheme meant
to look like a business but is not actually a business, then they
would not. I'm sure the IRS has notions based on, for example, how
many hours a year you use the boat for work.
I am really, really sure that having a programmer-for-hire aboard
does not make my boat deductible.
Peter
But Bruce....
I doubt I'd hire a welder who built and is cruising in... a plywood
boat! Mixed message at best (unless Tahiti could be cranked out in
steel or aluminium, in which case the welder is essential, and the boat
itself is your business card). Just a thought.
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: brucehallman [mailto:brucehallman@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:23 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tahiti Design #653
Tahiti Design #653 uses an air/oil cooled Deutz F3L1011 diesel
engine. This is a common diesel motor used in construction equipment
see for instance the welder (sells for $8,372)...
http://www.jandrweldingsupply.com/store/Bigblue251d.html
...a tough dependable engine. SA mentioned using an engine like this
in Dakota too.
[...disengage brain...free associating now...] I recall reading a
thread in rec.boatbuilding about possible ways for voyaging
livaboards to make a living, (besides washing dishes), in remote
exotic ports. One concensus was that there is a never ending demand
for boat repair work, and anybody with a welder could make a decent
sustained living in any port anywhere. So...
I wonder if the Bigblue251D welding machine could be mounted in the
Tahati [or Dakota], and the prop either driven with some parallel
driveshaft & chain/sprocket arrangement straight off of the Deutz
engine, or perhaps electrically through the use of the integral 240 V
10 kVA/kW, three phase power in the welder and an electric motor at
the prop? Am I crazy? [don't answer that last question]
[Not to mention, {...free associating again...after just doing my
taxes...}, I wonder...with a welder for hire on a boat does all of
sudden your boat becomes a business, and expenses related to your
boat become Schedule C deductable business expenses?]
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I doubt I'd hire a welder who built and is cruising in... a plywood
boat! Mixed message at best (unless Tahiti could be cranked out in
steel or aluminium, in which case the welder is essential, and the boat
itself is your business card). Just a thought.
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: brucehallman [mailto:brucehallman@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:23 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tahiti Design #653
Tahiti Design #653 uses an air/oil cooled Deutz F3L1011 diesel
engine. This is a common diesel motor used in construction equipment
see for instance the welder (sells for $8,372)...
http://www.jandrweldingsupply.com/store/Bigblue251d.html
...a tough dependable engine. SA mentioned using an engine like this
in Dakota too.
[...disengage brain...free associating now...] I recall reading a
thread in rec.boatbuilding about possible ways for voyaging
livaboards to make a living, (besides washing dishes), in remote
exotic ports. One concensus was that there is a never ending demand
for boat repair work, and anybody with a welder could make a decent
sustained living in any port anywhere. So...
I wonder if the Bigblue251D welding machine could be mounted in the
Tahati [or Dakota], and the prop either driven with some parallel
driveshaft & chain/sprocket arrangement straight off of the Deutz
engine, or perhaps electrically through the use of the integral 240 V
10 kVA/kW, three phase power in the welder and an electric motor at
the prop? Am I crazy? [don't answer that last question]
[Not to mention, {...free associating again...after just doing my
taxes...}, I wonder...with a welder for hire on a boat does all of
sudden your boat becomes a business, and expenses related to your
boat become Schedule C deductable business expenses?]
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Tahiti Design #653 uses an air/oil cooled Deutz F3L1011 diesel
engine. This is a common diesel motor used in construction equipment
see for instance the welder (sells for $8,372)...
http://www.jandrweldingsupply.com/store/Bigblue251d.html
...a tough dependable engine. SA mentioned using an engine like this
in Dakota too.
[...disengage brain...free associating now...] I recall reading a
thread in rec.boatbuilding about possible ways for voyaging
livaboards to make a living, (besides washing dishes), in remote
exotic ports. One concensus was that there is a never ending demand
for boat repair work, and anybody with a welder could make a decent
sustained living in any port anywhere. So...
I wonder if the Bigblue251D welding machine could be mounted in the
Tahati [or Dakota], and the prop either driven with some parallel
driveshaft & chain/sprocket arrangement straight off of the Deutz
engine, or perhaps electrically through the use of the integral 240 V
10 kVA/kW, three phase power in the welder and an electric motor at
the prop? Am I crazy? [don't answer that last question]
[Not to mention, {...free associating again...after just doing my
taxes...}, I wonder...with a welder for hire on a boat does all of
sudden your boat becomes a business, and expenses related to your
boat become Schedule C deductable business expenses?]
engine. This is a common diesel motor used in construction equipment
see for instance the welder (sells for $8,372)...
http://www.jandrweldingsupply.com/store/Bigblue251d.html
...a tough dependable engine. SA mentioned using an engine like this
in Dakota too.
[...disengage brain...free associating now...] I recall reading a
thread in rec.boatbuilding about possible ways for voyaging
livaboards to make a living, (besides washing dishes), in remote
exotic ports. One concensus was that there is a never ending demand
for boat repair work, and anybody with a welder could make a decent
sustained living in any port anywhere. So...
I wonder if the Bigblue251D welding machine could be mounted in the
Tahati [or Dakota], and the prop either driven with some parallel
driveshaft & chain/sprocket arrangement straight off of the Deutz
engine, or perhaps electrically through the use of the integral 240 V
10 kVA/kW, three phase power in the welder and an electric motor at
the prop? Am I crazy? [don't answer that last question]
[Not to mention, {...free associating again...after just doing my
taxes...}, I wonder...with a welder for hire on a boat does all of
sudden your boat becomes a business, and expenses related to your
boat become Schedule C deductable business expenses?]
I put it in Peter E's Big Bolger Boats file on Bolger 2, it seemed like
a logical place. I forgot to mention it in the original post.
Here is the URL, It is going to wrap so you will have to cut and paste
in your browser window.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%20BOATS/Tahiti%20Design%20%23653%20/
HJ
JohnSpoering@...wrote:
a logical place. I forgot to mention it in the original post.
Here is the URL, It is going to wrap so you will have to cut and paste
in your browser window.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%20BOATS/Tahiti%20Design%20%23653%20/
HJ
JohnSpoering@...wrote:
>
> HJ
> Can you help - tried to go to Bolger 2 to see Fritz' Tahiti file but
> don't see anything listed. Is it listed under something else.
>
> Aloha - Jack
>
It's in the Big boats file.
Stuart
on 13/4/02 10:40 AM,JohnSpoering@...atJohnSpoering@...wrote:
Stuart
on 13/4/02 10:40 AM,JohnSpoering@...atJohnSpoering@...wrote:
> HJ
> Can you help - tried to go to Bolger 2 to see Fritz' Tahiti file but
> don't see anything listed. Is it listed under something else.
>
> Aloha - Jack
>
HJ
Can you help - tried to go to Bolger 2 to see Fritz' Tahiti file but
don't see anything listed. Is it listed under something else.
Aloha - Jack
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Can you help - tried to go to Bolger 2 to see Fritz' Tahiti file but
don't see anything listed. Is it listed under something else.
Aloha - Jack
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Forgot to say where I put it.
In Peter E's Big Bolger boats.
HJ
In Peter E's Big Bolger boats.
HJ