Re: [bolger] Re: Rig 68 in "103 Sailing Rigs"

Seems really simmilar to some of the boats covered in
Parker's Sharpie book. In fact, many of those look
like they might be fun, with the additional appeal of
historical accuracy.


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It never rains here in west Texas anymore, so that would explain the lack of blush. - chuck
I had heard once that epoxy blush is from the humidity as it has to
do with the dew point/temperature. Whether it true or not I don't
know but it would explain why here in Colorado with an average of
less than 40% humidity, I have not had a blushing problem, at least
with epoxy anyway. <grin>

Jeff






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I don't know why blush happens, but I don't think it's entirely due to
humidity and temperature. I used a lot of Cold Cure epoxy without ever
seeing blush. When I used it in lousy conditions I used to wash it just to
make sure, but I never saw evidence of blush until I used MAS with their
fast hardener. For two days I thought the epoxy hadn't cured, but after
poking at it some more, I realized that there was just a big sticky film on
top of the cured epoxy, that wiped off with water. From that experience, I
decided that I could have saved all the time and effort I put into "making
sure" with the Cold Cure. (I gave the MAS epoxy a very good wash with an
ammonia solution, then with lots of water.)

MAS warned me the fast hardener for low temperatures might blush, and it
sure did. But Cold Cure under the same, or worse, conditions never blushed.
As far as I know, both hardeners use amines.

Jamie Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: rnlocnil [mailto:lincolnr@...]
Sent: April 15, 2002 2:50 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Labor-saving finish


You guys aren't tough enough. If you build when it's rainy and cold
enough, your epoxy will blush, at least mine has. On those warm sunny
days I often have other things to do.
--- In bolger@y..., "jhbjap" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Chuck Leinweber wrote:
> >
> > > I have never had blush with the regular Raka hardener, so I
snip
> I had heard once that epoxy blush is from the humidity as it has to
> do with the dew point/temperature. snip
> Jeff



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You guys aren't tough enough. If you build when it's rainy and cold
enough, your epoxy will blush, at least mine has. On those warm sunny
days I often have other things to do.
--- In bolger@y..., "jhbjap" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Chuck Leinweber wrote:
> >
> > > I have never had blush with the regular Raka hardener, so I
snip
> I had heard once that epoxy blush is from the humidity as it has to
> do with the dew point/temperature. snip
> Jeff
--- In bolger@y..., Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Chuck Leinweber wrote:
>
> > I have never had blush with the regular Raka hardener, so I can't
see
> > paying extra. In the past, I have used System Three and West, and
> > both blushed at times.
>
> I get the blush with it. I always clean it up--it's easy enough.

I had heard once that epoxy blush is from the humidity as it has to
do with the dew point/temperature. Whether it true or not I don't
know but it would explain why here in Colorado with an average of
less than 40% humidity, I have not had a blushing problem, at least
with epoxy anyway. <grin>

Jeff
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Chuck Leinweber wrote:

> I have never had blush with the regular Raka hardener, so I can't see
> paying extra. In the past, I have used System Three and West, and
> both blushed at times.

I get the blush with it. I always clean it up--it's easy enough.
Ditto here for me. After 3 boats, only once did I ever have a blush to wash off and that was when curing during a drizzle all day so very high humidity. I always take to precaution to wash with mild soap and a sponge but I doubt that it's necessary. The standard RAKA seems to be good stuff.

Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Leinweber
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Labor-saving finish


I have never had blush with the regular Raka hardener, so I can't see paying extra. In the past, I have used System Three and West, and both blushed at times.

Chuck
Bummer.

Does anybody know if the "no-blush" epoxy hardner sold by Raka [and
others] truly not have an amine blush? If so, it seems like it would
be worth the premium price.







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I have never had blush with the regular Raka hardener, so I can't see paying extra. In the past, I have used System Three and West, and both blushed at times.

Chuck
Bummer.

Does anybody know if the "no-blush" epoxy hardner sold by Raka [and
others] truly not have an amine blush? If so, it seems like it would
be worth the premium price.







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I hate being the dummy that doesn't get the joke - I guess I do need
emoticons or better yet a laugh track.

Paul

--- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@m...> wrote:
> Not all humorous writing contains emoticons! If you need them, you
had
> better insert them yourself. Removing the blush is trivial, as long
as
> you remember to do it. Unless you are allergic to housework or
> something. It is about the same as mopping the floor.
> --- In bolger@y..., "prthober" <prthober@p...> wrote:
> > I am trying to understand how this is "labor-saving". Is the
removal
> > of amine blush all that difficult?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
> > > I have discovered a way of omitting a step in
> > > putting a painted finish on a plywood-epoxy boat which
> > > may be of interest to others. snipped!
Not all humorous writing contains emoticons! If you need them, you had
better insert them yourself. Removing the blush is trivial, as long as
you remember to do it. Unless you are allergic to housework or
something. It is about the same as mopping the floor.
--- In bolger@y..., "prthober" <prthober@p...> wrote:
> I am trying to understand how this is "labor-saving". Is the removal
> of amine blush all that difficult?
>
> Paul
>
> --- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
> > I have discovered a way of omitting a step in
> > putting a painted finish on a plywood-epoxy boat which
> > may be of interest to others. snipped!
I think you should change the subject line if you are going to talk
about brightwork! Also, tho I am not a chemist, I wonder if they are
really amine free or if the formulation just ensures all the amines
react?
--- In bolger@y..., Mark Albanese <marka@h...> wrote:
> The amine free epoxies are also clearer, which helps the brightwork.
The amine free epoxies are also clearer, which helps the brightwork. Compared to their
standard formulation, in the North West 'Titan' brand I've used, viscosity is much
thinner, wet out more rapid, and ( according to the manufacturer ) abrasion resistance better.

Mark

rnlocnil wrote:
>
> I dunno, a wet sponge is a pretty easy tool to use! I guess it might
> be worth a little, if it didn't make other properties worse.
> --- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> > --- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
> > > ...With infinite labor, sand and scrape...
I am trying to understand how this is "labor-saving". Is the removal
of amine blush all that difficult?

Paul

--- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
> I have discovered a way of omitting a step in
> putting a painted finish on a plywood-epoxy boat which
> may be of interest to others. First, prepare the
> interior of, say, a 31' boat like a Bolger Topaz.
> Sand, fill, sand, fill, etc., but do not scrub the
> surface with water to remove the amine blush. Paint
> with one coat of good-quality latex primer, let dry.
> Paint with one coat of good-quality latex enamel.
> About 90% of the way through application of this coat,
> notice that the primer coat will easily scape off with
> fingernail. Let topcoat dry. With infinite labor,
> sand and scrape 10-20 dollars worth of latex paint off
> the surface, back as close to bare as you have
> patience for. Vacuum dust out of every crack and
> corner in the boat, as well as ears, nose, etc.
> At this point you will find that the latex paint
> has done a fine job of removing the amine blush,
> although you will undoubtedly want to scrub the
> surface again, anyhow. Repaint.
> I am currently using this method on my Topaz,
> with great success. Sam
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I dunno, a wet sponge is a pretty easy tool to use! I guess it might
be worth a little, if it didn't make other properties worse.
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
> > ...With infinite labor, sand and scrape...
>
> Bummer.
>
> Does anybody know if the "no-blush" epoxy hardner sold by Raka [and
> others] truly not have an amine blush? If so, it seems like it
would
> be worth the premium price.
--- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
> ...With infinite labor, sand and scrape...

Bummer.

Does anybody know if the "no-blush" epoxy hardner sold by Raka [and
others] truly not have an amine blush? If so, it seems like it would
be worth the premium price.
> I would be
> interested in hearing more of your ideas as well as any comments
> pertinent to the SOS mentioned above.

Truth in, well, not truth in advertising, but truth in something or
other compels me to point out that PCB describes the rig of his
original Otter (Small Boats) as a cat schooner with jigger (aka
mizzen) added. Not that I would recommend it particularly, in any
case.

Peter
I have discovered a way of omitting a step in
putting a painted finish on a plywood-epoxy boat which
may be of interest to others. First, prepare the
interior of, say, a 31' boat like a Bolger Topaz.
Sand, fill, sand, fill, etc., but do not scrub the
surface with water to remove the amine blush. Paint
with one coat of good-quality latex primer, let dry.
Paint with one coat of good-quality latex enamel.
About 90% of the way through application of this coat,
notice that the primer coat will easily scape off with
fingernail. Let topcoat dry. With infinite labor,
sand and scrape 10-20 dollars worth of latex paint off
the surface, back as close to bare as you have
patience for. Vacuum dust out of every crack and
corner in the boat, as well as ears, nose, etc.
At this point you will find that the latex paint
has done a fine job of removing the amine blush,
although you will undoubtedly want to scrub the
surface again, anyhow. Repaint.
I am currently using this method on my Topaz,
with great success. Sam

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Dennis --

It seems many of Bolger's sail plans strive to remove masts from
being in the way of the people space on the boat, the cat yawl being
a good example.

Freed from that particular consideration, I think the Zepher,
between it's length and ease with which a hull can be put together
would make it a great boat for playing different rigs. At 20 feet
it's not too long to rig with one mast, but you could probably find a
way to rig her as a three master if it suited your whimsy.

Whatever you do, please post pictures!

YIBB,

David





>Peter and David, Thanks for the replies. I have been looking at
>Parker's Small Ohio Sharpie for some time, but was wondering if the
>sail plan could be changed to either a lugger or traditional sprit
>rig. Not traditional sharpie rigs, but the shorter masts and spars
>would suit my very limited storage capabiliies.
> Peter, as to the Zephyr charging into Mystic, CT -- that is a
>spring tonic to inspire the most weary of winter hearts! I would be
>interested in hearing more of your ideas as well as any comments
>pertinent to the SOS mentioned above.
>
>Dennis Marshall
>
>--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
>> > Or any "cat-schooner" for that matter.
>>
>> The first thought in small cat schooners is William Garden's famous
>> 19-footer. The plans are sold by WoodenBoat and can been seen under
>> boatbuilding plans/cruising at the on-line store.
>>
>> Despite his high praise for the cat-schooner rig in "103," Bolger
>> does not seem to have designed very many. The only one that comes
>> directly to my mind is the St. Valerie which is a very pretty lug-
>> rigged cat-schooner in the French style. Glued-lap construction and
>> about 24' long.
>>
>> My guess is that PCB has designed so few because he prefers
>> his "Bolger-proportion" schooner rigs which he has descriped as a
>cat-
>> schooner with jib. The jib is meant to come down when the wind
>pipes
>> up. The Folding Schooner is one, the 22' Light Scooner is one, and
>> the 19' Singlehanded (His&Hers) Schooner is another.
>>
>> There is the final question whether any of his existing hulls could
>> be rigged that way. If you wanted a very simple boat, the Zephyr
>hull
>> could certainly be adapted. I gave some thought to a Zephyr hull
>with
>> a lateen cat-schooner rig. Main with boom, fore boomles. Bright
>> colors. Large pennants at the peak ends of the yards. Skipping into
>> the Mystic Small Craft fleet in a fresh breeze.
>>
>> Peter
>
>
>
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415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
Not Bolger, and not simple, but see John's Sharpie at:
http://www.clcboats.com/

Actually, not sure who wrote what anymore:
--- In bolger@y..., "pseudodion42" <pseudodion3@a...> wrote:
snip
> --- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> > > Or any "cat-schooner" for that matter.
Peter and David, Thanks for the replies. I have been looking at
Parker's Small Ohio Sharpie for some time, but was wondering if the
sail plan could be changed to either a lugger or traditional sprit
rig. Not traditional sharpie rigs, but the shorter masts and spars
would suit my very limited storage capabiliies.
Peter, as to the Zephyr charging into Mystic, CT -- that is a
spring tonic to inspire the most weary of winter hearts! I would be
interested in hearing more of your ideas as well as any comments
pertinent to the SOS mentioned above.

Dennis Marshall

--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> > Or any "cat-schooner" for that matter.
>
> The first thought in small cat schooners is William Garden's famous
> 19-footer. The plans are sold by WoodenBoat and can been seen under
> boatbuilding plans/cruising at the on-line store.
>
> Despite his high praise for the cat-schooner rig in "103," Bolger
> does not seem to have designed very many. The only one that comes
> directly to my mind is the St. Valerie which is a very pretty lug-
> rigged cat-schooner in the French style. Glued-lap construction and
> about 24' long.
>
> My guess is that PCB has designed so few because he prefers
> his "Bolger-proportion" schooner rigs which he has descriped as a
cat-
> schooner with jib. The jib is meant to come down when the wind
pipes
> up. The Folding Schooner is one, the 22' Light Scooner is one, and
> the 19' Singlehanded (His&Hers) Schooner is another.
>
> There is the final question whether any of his existing hulls could
> be rigged that way. If you wanted a very simple boat, the Zephyr
hull
> could certainly be adapted. I gave some thought to a Zephyr hull
with
> a lateen cat-schooner rig. Main with boom, fore boomles. Bright
> colors. Large pennants at the peak ends of the yards. Skipping into
> the Mystic Small Craft fleet in a fresh breeze.
>
> Peter
Not Bolger, not a schooner, but a cat-rigged multi masted sharpie is
Parker's Ohio sharpie:

http://www.parker-marine.com/parker2_3.htm

19 feet long, cat ketch rigged, and very pretty. I believe this is
the boat on the cover of "The Sharpie Book"

-D


>> Or any "cat-schooner" for that matter.
>
>The first thought in small cat schooners is William Garden's famous
>19-footer. The plans are sold by WoodenBoat and can been seen under
>boatbuilding plans/cruising at the on-line store.
>
>Despite his high praise for the cat-schooner rig in "103," Bolger
>does not seem to have designed very many. The only one that comes
>directly to my mind is the St. Valerie which is a very pretty lug-
>rigged cat-schooner in the French style. Glued-lap construction and
>about 24' long.
>
>My guess is that PCB has designed so few because he prefers
>his "Bolger-proportion" schooner rigs which he has descriped as a cat-
>schooner with jib. The jib is meant to come down when the wind pipes
>up. The Folding Schooner is one, the 22' Light Scooner is one, and
>the 19' Singlehanded (His&Hers) Schooner is another.
>
>There is the final question whether any of his existing hulls could
>be rigged that way. If you wanted a very simple boat, the Zephyr hull
>could certainly be adapted. I gave some thought to a Zephyr hull with
>a lateen cat-schooner rig. Main with boom, fore boomles. Bright
>colors. Large pennants at the peak ends of the yards. Skipping into
>the Mystic Small Craft fleet in a fresh breeze.
>
>Peter
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
>MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
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C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
(212) 247-0296
> Or any "cat-schooner" for that matter.

The first thought in small cat schooners is William Garden's famous
19-footer. The plans are sold by WoodenBoat and can been seen under
boatbuilding plans/cruising at the on-line store.

Despite his high praise for the cat-schooner rig in "103," Bolger
does not seem to have designed very many. The only one that comes
directly to my mind is the St. Valerie which is a very pretty lug-
rigged cat-schooner in the French style. Glued-lap construction and
about 24' long.

My guess is that PCB has designed so few because he prefers
his "Bolger-proportion" schooner rigs which he has descriped as a cat-
schooner with jib. The jib is meant to come down when the wind pipes
up. The Folding Schooner is one, the 22' Light Scooner is one, and
the 19' Singlehanded (His&Hers) Schooner is another.

There is the final question whether any of his existing hulls could
be rigged that way. If you wanted a very simple boat, the Zephyr hull
could certainly be adapted. I gave some thought to a Zephyr hull with
a lateen cat-schooner rig. Main with boom, fore boomles. Bright
colors. Large pennants at the peak ends of the yards. Skipping into
the Mystic Small Craft fleet in a fresh breeze.

Peter
Hi, all. I am familiar with Bolger's Light Schooner and Folding
Schooner, but I was wondering if anyone knows if Bolger has designed
a cat-schooner type as in Rig #68 of "103 Sailing Rigs" that is less
than 19 ft. Or any "cat-schooner" for that matter.

Thanks,

Dennis Marshall