Re: [bolger] Re: Centreboard/Black Skimmer

Fritz K? not to be confused with my neighbor Fritz Funk has the original
Sillygalee in Glacier Bay

http://www.thegreatsea.homestead.com/

He is the builder of The Double Eagle. The picture on the opening page
of his web site will give you an example of why we all live here. At one
time Fritz wanted to sell the boat, he certainly has enough on his plate
with the Double Eagle. If interested drop him an email.

HJ

Andrew Wallace wrote:

>
> Thanks Peter,
> You're right - better to move the c/board off-centre.
> I'd be concerned about the capsize/boat-fill risk if
> the companionway was moved. I'll look up Skillygalee.
> Cheers,
> Andrew.
>
>

Hello Don,

Thanks for your reply - I've had a lot of responses to
my query but yours is the first to mention a known
centreboard Black Skimmer. I've owned a couple of
boats - not Bolger boats - but have been an admirer of
his work for many years. I think I did once see a
Black Skimmer on the mud in the inlet at Warkworth in
the late 80's, and I'm sure there must have been many
Skimmers built with centreboards rather than
leeboards.
The solent lug rig you mention does appeal for it's
simplicity - and I like the idea of a tabernacle
mounted mast. Both tabernacle and fixed masts are
indicated on the plans received.

If you would be kind enough to leave a note on the
Skimmer you describe I would be very grateful.
Hopefully the owner will be on the Net.

I am an NZer currently working on contract in the
frozen North (Edmonton, Alberta)and probably won't be
back home (New Plymouth), until March next year. So
there is a bit of time to figure out exactly what I
want to do with the arrangement of the cockpit/cabin.
I've been down the big boat route and dumped a lot of
$$$ into the Big Boat Black Hole. Should've listened
to those who knew - I now realize a simple boat just
for two will suit me fine. If a good Skimmer were to
come up for sale - even better.

Coincidence that the one reply - with centreboard -
should have come from back home...!

Thanks again for your help.

Regards,
Andrew.

--- dbaldnz <oink@...> wrote:
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Hi Andrew, yes, there is a centreboard Black Skimmer
here in 
Auckland, New Zealand, where leeboards are unknown.
She has been 
around for about 15 years, and the owner invited me
aboard about 10 
years ago when she was on the hard. I climbed inside,
but do not 
recall where the board was fore and aft, but it was
certainly 
centred. And I do remember it was an intrusion, but in
this smaller 
boat than the 29ft version, the offcentreboard may
leave 2 useless 
spaces? 
This boat certainly sails well, quite an impressive
craft. Have you 
seen the solent lug version on the net? May be easier
when it comes 
to maintenance. I see her every week near-dried out on
a sand bank. 
The best I could do is leave a note on her, given time
the owner may 
make contact. If you want, email me. 
DonB 
 
--- In bolger@y..., Andrew Wallace
<visayannz@y...> wrote:

> Thanks guys - yes I realise there would be

some

> hacking about with the layout but haven't looked

at it

> in detail yet. Had considered an off-centre

c/board

> which might be less 'bisective' on the layout,

but

> didn't want to go as far as dual sideboards. I'm

sure

> several must have been built this way and would

really

> like to chat with someone who has both built

and

> sailed a Skimmer with c/board. 
> 
> Andrew Wallace.

Hi Andrew, yes, there is a centreboard Black Skimmer here in
Auckland, New Zealand, where leeboards are unknown. She has been
around for about 15 years, and the owner invited me aboard about 10
years ago when she was on the hard. I climbed inside, but do not
recall where the board was fore and aft, but it was certainly
centred. And I do remember it was an intrusion, but in this smaller
boat than the 29ft version, the offcentreboard may leave 2 useless
spaces?
This boat certainly sails well, quite an impressive craft. Have you
seen the solent lug version on the net? May be easier when it comes
to maintenance. I see her every week near-dried out on a sand bank.
The best I could do is leave a note on her, given time the owner may
make contact. If you want, email me.
DonB

--- In bolger@y..., Andrew Wallace <visayannz@y...> wrote:
> Thanks guys - yes I realise there would be some
> hacking about with the layout but haven't looked at it
> in detail yet. Had considered an off-centre c/board
> which might be less 'bisective' on the layout, but
> didn't want to go as far as dual sideboards. I'm sure
> several must have been built this way and would really
> like to chat with someone who has both built and
> sailed a Skimmer with c/board.
>
> Andrew Wallace.

You can avoid the hatch lateraly, but the whole mess
will still straddle the back of the cabin, front of
the cockpit area. I don't doubt someone knows how to
fiddle witht he rig etc... to make the whole thing
come out right, but its beyond me.

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> Does anyone know 
> anyone who has built a Skimmer with centreboard?

There is the interesting example of Skillygallee, a
"lengthened Black 
Skimmer." The centerboard is an off-centerboard,
just far enough to 
starboard to clear the cabin hatch. 
 
Peter 
 
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Thanks Peter,
You're right - better to move the c/board off-centre.
I'd be concerned about the capsize/boat-fill risk if
the companionway was moved. I'll look up Skillygalee.
Cheers,
Andrew.

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> Let me add my agreement with Thomas Dalzell. I

think that a 
centerboard

> trunk in the Black Skimmer would make it

necessary to offset the

> companionway either left or right and be a real

nuisance in the 
cabin

> itself.

No, leave the companionway where it is and move the
centerboard to 
the side as in Skillygallee, the "lengthened
Black Skimmer." 
 
Peter (who is wondering where the message he posted
several hours ago 
with this same advice may be. Perhaps lost in Yahoo
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comes around, pardon the duplication.) 
 
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> Let me add my agreement with Thomas Dalzell. I think that a

centerboard

> trunk in the Black Skimmer would make it necessary to offset the
> companionway either left or right and be a real nuisance in the

cabin

> itself.

No, leave the companionway where it is and move the centerboard to
the side as in Skillygallee, the "lengthened Black Skimmer."

Peter (who is wondering where the message he posted several hours ago
with this same advice may be. Perhaps lost in Yahoo central. If it
comes around, pardon the duplication.)

There are some "improvements" (I am thinking of the
updated Martha Jane boards, which also appear on
things like Joccums I believe)to the traditional
leeboards that have been worked out since the BS was
designed, they might be a route to consider, along
with Jim's real world comments. Sadly they don't
really improve the look. A further option is the
outside dagger board, and If I am not mistaken, Phil
has put these on flaired hulls, certainly on plumb
ones. They might work if shoal draft isn't a big
deal. Or if you won't be sailing in SD waters.

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Let me add my agreement with Thomas Dalzell. I think
that a centerboard 
trunk in the Black Skimmer would make it necessary to
offset the 
companionway either left or right and be a real
nuisance in the cabin 
itself. 
That said though, I wasn't all that amused by the job
of lifting the 
leeboards up the last little bit into their rests. The
Dutch use a 
tackle on theirs as did the Thames Barges (hugely
bigger boats however). 
I finally had a pair of approx. 3' long hooks, bent up
out of s/s rod 
sort of like cargo hooks with blunt ends to catch
under the leeboards 
and raise them that last foot or

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Thanks guys - yes I realise there would be some
hacking about with the layout but haven't looked at it
in detail yet. Had considered an off-centre c/board
which might be less 'bisective' on the layout, but
didn't want to go as far as dual sideboards. I'm sure
several must have been built this way and would really
like to chat with someone who has both built and
sailed a Skimmer with c/board.

Andrew Wallace.

Let me add my agreement with Thomas Dalzell. I think that a centerboard
trunk in the Black Skimmer would make it necessary to offset the
companionway either left or right and be a real nuisance in the cabin
itself.
That said though, I wasn't all that amused by the job of lifting the
leeboards up the last little bit into their rests. The Dutch use a
tackle on theirs as did the Thames Barges (hugely bigger boats however).
I finally had a pair of approx. 3' long hooks, bent up out of s/s rod
sort of like cargo hooks with blunt ends to catch under the leeboards
and raise them that last foot or two into the rests. (Made 2 needed one,
the other was a spare.) The hooks worked for me and made the leeboards a
much more livable piece of equipment.
Vis a vis aesthetics, rowing out to the Skimmer with her boards raised
was like approaching some great flying thing and once aboard, they made
good wind blocks and, I seem to remember, back rests. And good
conversation starters too.
A most Bolgerly way to go yachting. They also worked very well.
Jim

thomas dalzell wrote:

> You could obviously do it, and doubtless it has been
> done, but it would constitute a major addition to the
> boat. The board would likely end up somewhere in the
> companionway hatch, and bisecting the accommodations.
> The study plan shows most of the submerged board aft
> of the cabin, which means the rest of the trunk would
> extend forward also. If you could sort out the impact
> on the layout, that would be a big part of it.
>
> In the end the leeboards and their logic grow on you,
> and you take them to your aesthetic heart, along with
> a sense of superiority that comes from knowing you are
> a real Bolger cognesenti. Or at least that is how it
> worked for me.
>
>
> Yes, I'm aware of the advantages and structural 
> simplicity of leeboards, and I've thought long and 
> hard about them. It's just the aesthetics. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Andrew Wallace. 
> 
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Maybe modify them into dual sideboards ala Jochem's schooner?

You would still have to look at them, but they wouldn't "broken wing"
on you.

--- In bolger@y..., Andrew Wallace <visayannz@y...> wrote:
> G'day everyone,
>
> Have just purchased a set of plans for Black Skimmer
> after years of pondering. Love the looks and the lines
> of 'Skimmer', but not the leeboards. Does anyone know
> anyone who has built a Skimmer with centreboard? I see
> no great problem, and I'm not in any great hurry to
> build.
> Yes, I'm aware of the advantages and structural
> simplicity of leeboards, and I've thought long and
> hard about them. It's just the aesthetics.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Wallace.

You could obviously do it, and doubtless it has been
done, but it would constitute a major addition to the
boat. The board would likely end up somewhere in the
companionway hatch, and bisecting the accommodations.
The study plan shows most of the submerged board aft
of the cabin, which means the rest of the trunk would
extend forward also. If you could sort out the impact
on the layout, that would be a big part of it.

In the end the leeboards and their logic grow on you,
and you take them to your aesthetic heart, along with
a sense of superiority that comes from knowing you are
a real Bolger cognesenti. Or at least that is how it
worked for me.

 
Have just purchased a set of plans for Black
Skimmer 
after years of pondering. Love the looks and the
lines 
of 'Skimmer', but not the leeboards. Does anyone
know 
anyone who has built a Skimmer with centreboard? I
see 
no great problem, and I'm not in any great hurry
to 
build. 
Yes, I'm aware of the advantages and structural 
simplicity of leeboards, and I've thought long and 
hard about them. It's just the aesthetics. 
 
Regards, 
Andrew Wallace. 
 
 
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> Does anyone know
> anyone who has built a Skimmer with centreboard?

There is the interesting example of Skillygallee, a "lengthened Black
Skimmer." The centerboard is an off-centerboard, just far enough to
starboard to clear the cabin hatch.

Peter

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, [iso-8859-1] Andrew Wallace wrote:

> Have just purchased a set of plans for Black Skimmer after years of
> pondering. Love the looks and the lines of 'Skimmer', but not the
> leeboards. Does anyone know anyone who has built a Skimmer with
> centreboard? I see no great problem, and I'm not in any great hurry to
> build. Yes, I'm aware of the advantages and structural simplicity of
> leeboards, and I've thought long and hard about them. It's just the
> aesthetics.

Don't do it. It will ruin the cabin. Absolutely ruin it.
The leeboards, in practice look pretty good, IMHO. You just have
to get used to 'em.

G'day everyone,

Have just purchased a set of plans for Black Skimmer
after years of pondering. Love the looks and the lines
of 'Skimmer', but not the leeboards. Does anyone know
anyone who has built a Skimmer with centreboard? I see
no great problem, and I'm not in any great hurry to
build.
Yes, I'm aware of the advantages and structural
simplicity of leeboards, and I've thought long and
hard about them. It's just the aesthetics.

Regards,
Andrew Wallace.