Re: Moving Bolger forum
> If you want to use usenet then stick to rec.boats.building.I am a regular there and it works fine with my provider. The
>
problems you mentioned have never been apparent to me. It is a
breeze to keep up with and it is my standard of comparison on which
I've been basing my gripes about this interface.
One member here suggested rec.boats.building.bolger
Thanks for the tech info on the usenet. I would like to study this
further. Newsgroups work allot like email. Newsgroup readers are
allot like email readers. Your email mailbox is on your providers
server, so this is also similar to what you said about usenet
access. It seems like it could be done so that a newsgroup is
accessed directly from the server that is hosting it just like a
website. The syncronization problems you mentioned would be
eliminated.
On Friday 21 June 2002 05:30, meckerberg wrote:
binaries, it would take a hell of a lot of postings to fill your mailbox
(I calculate you could fit over 1000 copies of the posting I am
replying to).
On the other hand, if your yahoo account uses a (presumably
clunky, ad-infested) web interface then you won't be getting much
advantage by going to email. Doesn't your ISP provide a proper
email account?
the forum from work, where we do not have access to a usenet
server. For usenet I have to use a web-base browser (google),
which is not bad but is definitely slower and less flexible than
email.
rather weird and chaotic phenomenon that predates the web
altogether (I have been using usenet since about 1992). What
you have is a whole bunch of usenet servers scattered about
the internet. Anyone can host a usenet server - most are run
by ISPs these days. When you make a posting it is sent to your
usenet server, which stores the posting there to be read by
other users of the server. At some point the posting will be
propogated to other usenet servers and therefore become
accessible to users of other servers. The provider of the
usenet server determines which groups will be hosted (many
providers exclude binary groups because of bandwidth and
storage problems) and how often the groups are synchronised
with the rest of the world. As you can imagine, the reliability of
the service varies considerably depending who you are
connected to.
To create a new usenet group there is a very well-documented
procedure, involving sophisticated voting checks and balances.
Seehttp://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1
for details. I set up the aus.sport.sailing newsgroup - being a
regional newsgroup the requirements were not so rigorous, but
still a major effort. Basically you don't really want to go there. If
you want to use usenet then stick to rec.boats.building.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
> As for the suggestion of routing all these postings to email, ISince the yahoo system guarantees that postings contain no
> don't want all these postings piling up in my mailbox. My Yahoo
> mail box is limited to 6Mb. I don't read every posting. I read
> over the headers for stuff I'm interested in.
binaries, it would take a hell of a lot of postings to fill your mailbox
(I calculate you could fit over 1000 copies of the posting I am
replying to).
On the other hand, if your yahoo account uses a (presumably
clunky, ad-infested) web interface then you won't be getting much
advantage by going to email. Doesn't your ISP provide a proper
email account?
> The only advantage I see to a web hosted forum is that it can beAnother advantage which may not be obvious is that I can access
> accessed from a cafe by people without computers
the forum from work, where we do not have access to a usenet
server. For usenet I have to use a web-base browser (google),
which is not bad but is definitely slower and less flexible than
email.
> I have a question for you. I've always wandered where theUsenet groups aren't actually hosted like websites. They are a
> usenet newsgroups live. I assume they are hosted by people like
> you. If so, do you object to hosting a usenet newsgroup?
rather weird and chaotic phenomenon that predates the web
altogether (I have been using usenet since about 1992). What
you have is a whole bunch of usenet servers scattered about
the internet. Anyone can host a usenet server - most are run
by ISPs these days. When you make a posting it is sent to your
usenet server, which stores the posting there to be read by
other users of the server. At some point the posting will be
propogated to other usenet servers and therefore become
accessible to users of other servers. The provider of the
usenet server determines which groups will be hosted (many
providers exclude binary groups because of bandwidth and
storage problems) and how often the groups are synchronised
with the rest of the world. As you can imagine, the reliability of
the service varies considerably depending who you are
connected to.
To create a new usenet group there is a very well-documented
procedure, involving sophisticated voting checks and balances.
Seehttp://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1
for details. I set up the aus.sport.sailing newsgroup - being a
regional newsgroup the requirements were not so rigorous, but
still a major effort. Basically you don't really want to go there. If
you want to use usenet then stick to rec.boats.building.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
I'm suprised at the number of responses to my posting. After the
frustration of trying to read all of them, I'm suprised any of you
could be happy with this interface. Perhaps you have never used the
Forte Agent.
As for the comment that usenet readers cost money and Yahoo is free,
it is the other way around. You can download the Free Agent from
www.forteinc.com for free. It is the most stable, bug free program
I've ever used and it is totally free. No adds, no shareware style
nagging. You can upgrade to the $29 Agent, but you really don't
need it unless you want to use it for your email to ward of the
Outlook viruses. It costs nothing to access the usenet if you
alredy have internet access. Yahoo, on the other hand is not free,
it is advertisement supported, so I "pay" by having to put up with
all the annoying adds.
As for the comments about spam, email addy harvesting, trolls, and
flame wars, there is no paradise. These are the cons of the
usenet. You can learn the turf pretty quickly and then they are
minor issues. To get you started:
a) don't ever post your email address
b) Don't feed the trolls
c) Remember the handles of flamers and don't read their posts
(the non-free Agent can block them for you)
Also, Usenet newsgroups can also be moderated. I believe the person
hosting them is responsible for that.
As for the suggestion of routing all these postings to email, I
don't want all these postings piling up in my mailbox. My Yahoo
mail box is limited to 6Mb. I don't read every posting. I read
over the headers for stuff I'm interested in.
The only advantage I see to a web hosted forum is that it can be
accessed from a cafe by people without computers. I suppose some
people would be lost in the transistion, but I would assume people
who didn't follow a move were not very active or interested.
Agent. I have a question for you. I've always wandered where the
usenet newsgroups live. I assume they are hosted by people like
you. If so, do you object to hosting a usenet newsgroup?
-Mark
frustration of trying to read all of them, I'm suprised any of you
could be happy with this interface. Perhaps you have never used the
Forte Agent.
As for the comment that usenet readers cost money and Yahoo is free,
it is the other way around. You can download the Free Agent from
www.forteinc.com for free. It is the most stable, bug free program
I've ever used and it is totally free. No adds, no shareware style
nagging. You can upgrade to the $29 Agent, but you really don't
need it unless you want to use it for your email to ward of the
Outlook viruses. It costs nothing to access the usenet if you
alredy have internet access. Yahoo, on the other hand is not free,
it is advertisement supported, so I "pay" by having to put up with
all the annoying adds.
As for the comments about spam, email addy harvesting, trolls, and
flame wars, there is no paradise. These are the cons of the
usenet. You can learn the turf pretty quickly and then they are
minor issues. To get you started:
a) don't ever post your email address
b) Don't feed the trolls
c) Remember the handles of flamers and don't read their posts
(the non-free Agent can block them for you)
Also, Usenet newsgroups can also be moderated. I believe the person
hosting them is responsible for that.
As for the suggestion of routing all these postings to email, I
don't want all these postings piling up in my mailbox. My Yahoo
mail box is limited to 6Mb. I don't read every posting. I read
over the headers for stuff I'm interested in.
The only advantage I see to a web hosted forum is that it can be
accessed from a cafe by people without computers. I suppose some
people would be lost in the transistion, but I would assume people
who didn't follow a move were not very active or interested.
> In any event, no worries. Anyone who wants to use the forum Isetup is
> free to do so. :)Are you suggesting another web hosted forum? I was hoping to use my
>
> --Timothy
Agent. I have a question for you. I've always wandered where the
usenet newsgroups live. I assume they are hosted by people like
you. If so, do you object to hosting a usenet newsgroup?
-Mark
> I wouldn't want you to take offence that your generous offer was notOh... Im sorry if I gave the impression that I was upset..
> immediately accepted. It takes time for a population of 1000 users to
> come to consensus, and the critical instant is still a little ways
> off.
>
> Peter
.. I am currently quitting smoking, so I may have been a bit snappy.
;) Day 5 and holding...
In any event, no.. I do not take any offense at all, and I am not
trying to sell my services for prestige. ;) I was honestly just
replying to the points that were being made.
I suppose I should go on a 'no posting' phase considering my
uncontrollable snappiness.
In any event, no worries. Anyone who wants to use the forum I setup is
free to do so. :)
--Timothy
Timothy,
As moderator of the somewhat-allied boatdesign group, I have great
interest in the various alternatives to Yahoo groups. It could well
be that Yahoo will add too many straws and break the camel's back and
guys like me will all be looking for volunteers like you.
It seems likely that Yahoo will make a concerted effort to move to a
pay service, and I have decided that the boatdesign group will wait
and see what the offer is. It matters greatly if the fee is $1 or $10
or $100 per month. It matters whether the ads all go away. It matters
if the amount of Files and Photos space goes up or down.
Meanwhile, here are reasons to stay with Yahoo a while longer.
1) We're here now. Moving a group could easily cause an attrition of
50% or even 75%.
2) Yahoo is easy to find. Potential new members have a reasonable
chance of stumbling across the list here. You can get here easily
even if you forget the URL.
3) Yahoo technology does a pretty good job of hiding e-mail
addresses, causing a minimum dispersal of addresses into the SPAM
world.
4) Yahoo allows users to do business by individual e-mail, digest e-
mail, or on-line.
5) The Yahoo interface is easy and un-techy (though clunky).
I wouldn't want you to take offence that your generous offer was not
immediately accepted. It takes time for a population of 1000 users to
come to consensus, and the critical instant is still a little ways
off.
Peter
As moderator of the somewhat-allied boatdesign group, I have great
interest in the various alternatives to Yahoo groups. It could well
be that Yahoo will add too many straws and break the camel's back and
guys like me will all be looking for volunteers like you.
It seems likely that Yahoo will make a concerted effort to move to a
pay service, and I have decided that the boatdesign group will wait
and see what the offer is. It matters greatly if the fee is $1 or $10
or $100 per month. It matters whether the ads all go away. It matters
if the amount of Files and Photos space goes up or down.
Meanwhile, here are reasons to stay with Yahoo a while longer.
1) We're here now. Moving a group could easily cause an attrition of
50% or even 75%.
2) Yahoo is easy to find. Potential new members have a reasonable
chance of stumbling across the list here. You can get here easily
even if you forget the URL.
3) Yahoo technology does a pretty good job of hiding e-mail
addresses, causing a minimum dispersal of addresses into the SPAM
world.
4) Yahoo allows users to do business by individual e-mail, digest e-
mail, or on-line.
5) The Yahoo interface is easy and un-techy (though clunky).
I wouldn't want you to take offence that your generous offer was not
immediately accepted. It takes time for a population of 1000 users to
come to consensus, and the critical instant is still a little ways
off.
Peter
--- In bolger@y..., stephensonhw@a... wrote:
one whom volunteered the resources.
When you host a community on a business related service, you get a
TREMENDOUS problem in the way of requirements, advertisements,
personal information abuse, and etc. Yahoo and MANY others have borne
their record out on this.
As far as this group, it started out as an archived email list on
egroups. Which was bought by Yahoo. Yahoo has absolutely NO vested
interest in keeping groups.yahoo.com afloat except loss of prestige.
They could not only demand $$, but one day, they could just suddenly
pull the plug. No ramifications on them except a bit of bad publicity.
Let alone, who do you call when its broken?
On the other hand, when an enthusiast hosts a site, especially an
enthusiast who OWNS HIS OWN ISP, you have an advantage there. Like no
ads. No personal information abuse. He has a vested interest in the
group and so will maintain it. And you have complete and total power
over the board and its content.
Now, I dont have to do this, but I want to. I love Bolger, have met
and talked with the man several times and admire him. My wife and I
are planning to build a large Bolger design. We want to give back to
the community. That was the straw that broke the camel's back on this
particular decision.
Now, if you folks.. or some of you.. dont want to use this new, forum
based communication that is entirely up to you. However I highly
recommend using it. It will be easier to use, more usable, and the
space is not limited to anything small and unreasonable. You also do
not have to give ANY personal information to register except your
email address. And that information I can guarantee will be kept
confidential forever.
I have been running my presence sites for about 5 years now. I would
say that I have a little experience as well. And, I am a network
engineer by trade.
So, thats my piece. Each individual should make up his mind as to what
he/she wants out of this sort of exchange and decide.
http://www.ennui.net/extra/index.php?site=bolger
--Timothy
> In a message dated 19-06-02 11:08:46 PM E. Australia Standard Time,charging for
> pesterle@p... writes:
>
>
> > The only reason I can see for moving would be if Yahoo starts
> > the service. While hosting the site on someone's volunteer servermay be
> > an option, what happens if they get tired of the hassle or runout of
> > room? I'd sooner stay with a business than an individual who mayor may
> > not remain interested long enough to support the group.Well, I definitely do not agree.. and thats not just because I was the
> >
>
> I agree.
>
> Howard
one whom volunteered the resources.
When you host a community on a business related service, you get a
TREMENDOUS problem in the way of requirements, advertisements,
personal information abuse, and etc. Yahoo and MANY others have borne
their record out on this.
As far as this group, it started out as an archived email list on
egroups. Which was bought by Yahoo. Yahoo has absolutely NO vested
interest in keeping groups.yahoo.com afloat except loss of prestige.
They could not only demand $$, but one day, they could just suddenly
pull the plug. No ramifications on them except a bit of bad publicity.
Let alone, who do you call when its broken?
On the other hand, when an enthusiast hosts a site, especially an
enthusiast who OWNS HIS OWN ISP, you have an advantage there. Like no
ads. No personal information abuse. He has a vested interest in the
group and so will maintain it. And you have complete and total power
over the board and its content.
Now, I dont have to do this, but I want to. I love Bolger, have met
and talked with the man several times and admire him. My wife and I
are planning to build a large Bolger design. We want to give back to
the community. That was the straw that broke the camel's back on this
particular decision.
Now, if you folks.. or some of you.. dont want to use this new, forum
based communication that is entirely up to you. However I highly
recommend using it. It will be easier to use, more usable, and the
space is not limited to anything small and unreasonable. You also do
not have to give ANY personal information to register except your
email address. And that information I can guarantee will be kept
confidential forever.
I have been running my presence sites for about 5 years now. I would
say that I have a little experience as well. And, I am a network
engineer by trade.
So, thats my piece. Each individual should make up his mind as to what
he/she wants out of this sort of exchange and decide.
http://www.ennui.net/extra/index.php?site=bolger
--Timothy
In a message dated 19-06-02 11:08:46 PM E. Australia Standard Time,
pesterle@...writes:
Howard
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
pesterle@...writes:
> The only reason I can see for moving would be if Yahoo starts charging forI agree.
> the service. While hosting the site on someone's volunteer server may be
> an option, what happens if they get tired of the hassle or run out of
> room? I'd sooner stay with a business than an individual who may or may
> not remain interested long enough to support the group.
>
Howard
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I especially worry about the flame wars. This group is extremely
civilized and the moderator has a very light, deft touch on the helm.
Hj
pesterle@...wrote:
civilized and the moderator has a very light, deft touch on the helm.
Hj
pesterle@...wrote:
>
> The only reason I can see for moving would be if Yahoo starts charging for
> the service. While hosting the site on someone's volunteer server may be
> an option, what happens if they get tired of the hassle or run out of
> room? I'd sooner stay with a business than an individual who may or may
> not remain interested long enough to support the group. I have visited
> various usenet sites and am not at all impressed with the quality of
> comments and the number of flame wars.
>
> Just my feelings...
>
> Paul Esterle
>
The only reason I can see for moving would be if Yahoo starts charging for
the service. While hosting the site on someone's volunteer server may be
an option, what happens if they get tired of the hassle or run out of
room? I'd sooner stay with a business than an individual who may or may
not remain interested long enough to support the group. I have visited
various usenet sites and am not at all impressed with the quality of
comments and the number of flame wars.
Just my feelings...
Paul Esterle
the service. While hosting the site on someone's volunteer server may be
an option, what happens if they get tired of the hassle or run out of
room? I'd sooner stay with a business than an individual who may or may
not remain interested long enough to support the group. I have visited
various usenet sites and am not at all impressed with the quality of
comments and the number of flame wars.
Just my feelings...
Paul Esterle
>meckerberg wrote:01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > I would love to see this forum moved to the usenet. I hate the
> > yahoo klunky interface to newsgroups. If you have used something
> > like the Forte Agent to access newsgroups with collapsed threads and
> > easy browsing, then you know what I mean. This is very slow and
> > frustrating in comparison.
>
>My feelings exactly. Why use a clunky web interface when we could use
>software written specifically for managing threaded messages? Though we
>can usually avoid the web interface by using email, but we still must
>contend with the [Bolger], [Bolger]Re:, Re:[Bolger] and Re:[Bolger]Re:
>subject lines, which make following a thread difficult.
>
>If storage for files/pics is a problem, I would be glad to donate space
>on my web site. A folder style interface with next/prev file viewing,
>like on Yahoo!, is easy to implement. I've got 50GB available right
>now, and getting more is easy if needed. We could point another domain
>at it, like bolgerboats.com, in keeping with the usenet name.
>
>Stew
>
>
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>- Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
My wife frequents a lot of usenet sites for her crafting. She gets an
excess of 40 spam mails a day, sometimes as many as 100 a day.
Hj
sanmi wrote:
excess of 40 spam mails a day, sometimes as many as 100 a day.
Hj
sanmi wrote:
>
> What about spam? I haven't checked lately, but usenet used to be
> rife with spammers, both posting to the groups and also trolling for
> poster's email addresses.
>
> Frank
>
I have no problem with pictures or adverts. I get a daily email digest of
the days messages in text format. No difficult user interface, at the top of
the digest is a list of the messages + message number. Quick to go down to
the message number and read that one. No need to go thro the Yahoo website,
just use Microsoft Outlook Email software or MailWarrior at home. No bells
and wistles to clutter things. Don't move it as it is not nesseccary. If one
need to get to a message, the Yahoo website lists the messages at least
according to month, etc. which is helpfull sometimes.
Paul-NZ
the days messages in text format. No difficult user interface, at the top of
the digest is a list of the messages + message number. Quick to go down to
the message number and read that one. No need to go thro the Yahoo website,
just use Microsoft Outlook Email software or MailWarrior at home. No bells
and wistles to clutter things. Don't move it as it is not nesseccary. If one
need to get to a message, the Yahoo website lists the messages at least
according to month, etc. which is helpfull sometimes.
Paul-NZ
meckerberg wrote:
software written specifically for managing threaded messages? Though we
can usually avoid the web interface by using email, but we still must
contend with the [Bolger], [Bolger]Re:, Re:[Bolger] and Re:[Bolger]Re:
subject lines, which make following a thread difficult.
If storage for files/pics is a problem, I would be glad to donate space
on my web site. A folder style interface with next/prev file viewing,
like on Yahoo!, is easy to implement. I've got 50GB available right
now, and getting more is easy if needed. We could point another domain
at it, like bolgerboats.com, in keeping with the usenet name.
Stew
> I would love to see this forum moved to the usenet. I hate theMy feelings exactly. Why use a clunky web interface when we could use
> yahoo klunky interface to newsgroups. If you have used something
> like the Forte Agent to access newsgroups with collapsed threads and
> easy browsing, then you know what I mean. This is very slow and
> frustrating in comparison.
software written specifically for managing threaded messages? Though we
can usually avoid the web interface by using email, but we still must
contend with the [Bolger], [Bolger]Re:, Re:[Bolger] and Re:[Bolger]Re:
subject lines, which make following a thread difficult.
If storage for files/pics is a problem, I would be glad to donate space
on my web site. A folder style interface with next/prev file viewing,
like on Yahoo!, is easy to implement. I've got 50GB available right
now, and getting more is easy if needed. We could point another domain
at it, like bolgerboats.com, in keeping with the usenet name.
Stew
On Wednesday 19 June 2002 03:16, meckerberg wrote:
via the web. This is a lot faster and you don't get hammered with
yahoo's spam. A sophisticated mailreader could probably give you
threading too, although I don't bother.
Configure your mailreader to automatically redirect bolger postings
to a separate folder so that it doesn't interfere with normal mail.
If you still prefer usenet then you should probably look at the
rec.boats.building group. r.b.b has good volume and there are
plenty of bolger builders who frequent it.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
> I would love to see this forum moved to the usenet. I hate theYou can choose to receive bolger postings as email, rather than
> yahoo klunky interface to newsgroups. If you have used something
> like the Forte Agent to access newsgroups with collapsed threads and
> easy browsing, then you know what I mean. This is very slow and
> frustrating in comparison.
via the web. This is a lot faster and you don't get hammered with
yahoo's spam. A sophisticated mailreader could probably give you
threading too, although I don't bother.
Configure your mailreader to automatically redirect bolger postings
to a separate folder so that it doesn't interfere with normal mail.
If you still prefer usenet then you should probably look at the
rec.boats.building group. r.b.b has good volume and there are
plenty of bolger builders who frequent it.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, sanmi wrote:
filter. Not all do.
I really recommend against going to Usenet, unless we'd like to fold up at
Yahoo. You cannot imagine the number of discussion group forums
available to any Internet user. It's dishearterning, if you want to be
part of things.
Is there really a substantial problem? I haven't seen much of one. The
advantage of Yahoo groups is the stable background of relevant files and
photos. Not a possibility with Usenet. Furthermore, the readership list
and contactability is much, much less (although anonymous participation is
easier and wider spread).
There is no central legal controlling authority on Usenet, the way there
is on Yahoo. Complaints go into thin air for Usenet, but there's
something of an ear at Yahoo.
> What about spam? I haven't checked lately, but usenet used to be rifeSpam in Usenet is not so much of a problem, provided your server has a
> with spammers, both posting to the groups and also trolling for
> poster's email addresses.
filter. Not all do.
I really recommend against going to Usenet, unless we'd like to fold up at
Yahoo. You cannot imagine the number of discussion group forums
available to any Internet user. It's dishearterning, if you want to be
part of things.
Is there really a substantial problem? I haven't seen much of one. The
advantage of Yahoo groups is the stable background of relevant files and
photos. Not a possibility with Usenet. Furthermore, the readership list
and contactability is much, much less (although anonymous participation is
easier and wider spread).
There is no central legal controlling authority on Usenet, the way there
is on Yahoo. Complaints go into thin air for Usenet, but there's
something of an ear at Yahoo.
> trolling forI don't put my e-mail address on usenet for that reason. Usenet also
> poster's email addresses.
does not provide the files & photos feature, nor the ability to do it
all by e-mail. The better software is not free, either.
Ya, and yahoo never sends spam, or sells your email address...
Or, changes your "marketing preferences"...
Or, changes your "marketing preferences"...
----- Original Message -----
From: "sanmi" <sanmi@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:25 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Moving Bolger forum
> What about spam? I haven't checked lately, but usenet used to be
> rife with spammers, both posting to the groups and also trolling for
> poster's email addresses.
>
> Frank
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> > rec.boats.building.bolger?
> >
> > emm. nice thought. how do you start a newsgroup?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "meckerberg" <meckerberg@y...>
> > To: <bolger@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:16 PM
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: Moving Bolger forum
> >
> >
> > > I would love to see this forum moved to the usenet. I hate the
> > > yahoo klunky interface to newsgroups. If you have used something
> > > like the Forte Agent to access newsgroups with collapsed threads
> and
> > > easy browsing, then you know what I mean. This is very slow and
> > > frustrating in comparison.
> > >
> > > > Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe one of the techie boat builders here would volunteer to
> > > > administer it? Anybody have a server and some bandwidth they
> would
> > > > like to donate to the cause?
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts? Flames? Comments?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and
> <snip> away
> > > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
> Gloucester, MA,
> > 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
> > > - Open discussion: bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@y...
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
What about spam? I haven't checked lately, but usenet used to be
rife with spammers, both posting to the groups and also trolling for
poster's email addresses.
Frank
rife with spammers, both posting to the groups and also trolling for
poster's email addresses.
Frank
--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> rec.boats.building.bolger?
>
> emm. nice thought. how do you start a newsgroup?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "meckerberg" <meckerberg@y...>
> To: <bolger@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:16 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Moving Bolger forum
>
>
> > I would love to see this forum moved to the usenet. I hate the
> > yahoo klunky interface to newsgroups. If you have used something
> > like the Forte Agent to access newsgroups with collapsed threads
and
> > easy browsing, then you know what I mean. This is very slow and
> > frustrating in comparison.
> >
> > > Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
> > >
> > > Maybe one of the techie boat builders here would volunteer to
> > > administer it? Anybody have a server and some bandwidth they
would
> > > like to donate to the cause?
> > >
> > > Thoughts? Flames? Comments?
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
posts
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and
<snip> away
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
> > - Open discussion: bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@y...
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
rec.boats.building.bolger?
emm. nice thought. how do you start a newsgroup?
emm. nice thought. how do you start a newsgroup?
----- Original Message -----
From: "meckerberg" <meckerberg@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:16 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Moving Bolger forum
> I would love to see this forum moved to the usenet. I hate the
> yahoo klunky interface to newsgroups. If you have used something
> like the Forte Agent to access newsgroups with collapsed threads and
> easy browsing, then you know what I mean. This is very slow and
> frustrating in comparison.
>
> > Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
> >
> > Maybe one of the techie boat builders here would volunteer to
> > administer it? Anybody have a server and some bandwidth they would
> > like to donate to the cause?
> >
> > Thoughts? Flames? Comments?
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
I would love to see this forum moved to the usenet. I hate the
yahoo klunky interface to newsgroups. If you have used something
like the Forte Agent to access newsgroups with collapsed threads and
easy browsing, then you know what I mean. This is very slow and
frustrating in comparison.
yahoo klunky interface to newsgroups. If you have used something
like the Forte Agent to access newsgroups with collapsed threads and
easy browsing, then you know what I mean. This is very slow and
frustrating in comparison.
> Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
>
> Maybe one of the techie boat builders here would volunteer to
> administer it? Anybody have a server and some bandwidth they would
> like to donate to the cause?
>
> Thoughts? Flames? Comments?
I have one posible solution. I logged on to this group a few minutes
ago using a browser called lynx and noticed a big difference in speed.
Lynx is a command line browser used on UNIX and linux machines; its
not for everyone and can't deal with images, which is no problem if
all you are doing is reading the messages but if you want to look in
the files section your out of luck. This is not a perfect solution
but if you are using UNIX or Linux it is a posibility.
Regarding the move we could start another group and keep this one
active, promote the new group and wait until the membership gradually
shifts over. Don't close this group until we are ready to do so.
Andy Moore
Halifax
Nova Scotia
ago using a browser called lynx and noticed a big difference in speed.
Lynx is a command line browser used on UNIX and linux machines; its
not for everyone and can't deal with images, which is no problem if
all you are doing is reading the messages but if you want to look in
the files section your out of luck. This is not a perfect solution
but if you are using UNIX or Linux it is a posibility.
Regarding the move we could start another group and keep this one
active, promote the new group and wait until the membership gradually
shifts over. Don't close this group until we are ready to do so.
Andy Moore
Halifax
Nova Scotia
Probably not. The Chebacco world is a small community and email plus the
Chebacco site would seem to provide enough dialogue. I can see such a forum
expanding into other boats and designs until it competes with this list
and/or becomes just another boating list.
But this is only my opinion,
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: rlspell2000 [mailto:richard@...]
Sent: April 18, 2002 2:10 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Moving Bolger forum
On a related note, you think there is any value in setting up a forum
on Chebacco?
Chebacco site would seem to provide enough dialogue. I can see such a forum
expanding into other boats and designs until it competes with this list
and/or becomes just another boating list.
But this is only my opinion,
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: rlspell2000 [mailto:richard@...]
Sent: April 18, 2002 2:10 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Moving Bolger forum
On a related note, you think there is any value in setting up a forum
on Chebacco?
--- In bolger@y..., "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@b...> wrote:
> Can't help with the tech stuff, but some folks on other lists have
> complained of not receiving notice that the new "marketing
preferences" have
> all been set to "yes", according to Yahoo. I was lucky enough to be
> notified, and have effectively blocked the spam by visiting Yahoo's
> Marketing Preferences page and resetting them to "no". (Our
firewall here
> at work probably helps to lose a lot of spam, too.)
>
> Jamie Orr
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rlspell2000 [mailto:richard@s...]
> Sent: April 18, 2002 11:36 AM
> To: bolger@y...
> Subject: [bolger] Moving Bolger forum
>
>
> Well, it seems Yahoo ate my message concerning needing a winch to
> lift centerboards.
>
> This is becoming common, they ate another one earlier today. Now, I
> have to log in every day, and my spam load has went over the top
> with "marketing preferences".
>
> Also, since Yahoo took over from egroups, there is a multi-second
> pause before any response is recieved to a click on the webpage.
>
> Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
>
> Maybe one of the techie boat builders here would volunteer to
> administer it? Anybody have a server and some bandwidth they would
> like to donate to the cause?
>
> Thoughts? Flames? Comments?
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you
like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Also, while we are talking rules, you guys know you can setup a rule
to automagicaly trash everything that doesn't have a to:
to "you@..." and it will get rid of 90% of your spam?
Run this AFTER your bolger list rules...
to automagicaly trash everything that doesn't have a to:
to "you@..." and it will get rid of 90% of your spam?
Run this AFTER your bolger list rules...
--- In bolger@y..., Bruce Fountain <fountainb@s...> wrote:
> On Friday 19 April 2002 06:47, prthober wrote:
> > My vote is to stay here for now. Yes, Yahoo is annoying - the ads
are
> > obnoxious, 9.99% interest, wireless cam, pick that lock!, etc, but
> > I've gotten quick with the mouse. I caught the message concerning
> > marketing preferences and fixed that right away - no junk mail
yet.
> > The delay in posts arriving is really strange - one of mine took
> > twelve hours to show up. A forum without ads and all the yahoo
B.S.
> > would be nice, however.
>
> Just to remind people: you can choose to receive the bolger postings
> via email instead of via the web interface. The advantages of email
> over mail:
>
> * you can step through postings much faster, since there is no
> network activity while you are reading
>
> * you are notified when a posting arrives, instead of having to
check
> the website
>
> * you don't waste bandwidth downloading obnoxious yahoo ads
>
> * you don't get obnoxious yahoo ads. Yahoo do append a few lines
> of advertising at the bottom of the posting, but they are just
ASCII
> text and I don't even notice them
>
> Most mailreaders will let you set up filters to redirect postings
with
> subject = "*[bolger]*" to a special folder, so the bolger postings
> don't interfere with your normal mail.
>
> --
> Bruce Fountain (fountainb@s...)
> Senior Software Engineer
> Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
> Perth Western Australia
> tel: +618 9256 0083
Very good suggestion!
Just setup my rules so anything "to:bolger@yahoogroups.com" gets
filed in the bolger folder. (don't key off of the [Bolger] in the
subject line, or you will get people sending your email direct, from
the list, that gets filed with the list messages.)
Also, said "don't send me HTML".
Takes the pain out of reading the group!
Just setup my rules so anything "to:bolger@yahoogroups.com" gets
filed in the bolger folder. (don't key off of the [Bolger] in the
subject line, or you will get people sending your email direct, from
the list, that gets filed with the list messages.)
Also, said "don't send me HTML".
Takes the pain out of reading the group!
--- In bolger@y..., Bruce Fountain <fountainb@s...> wrote:
> On Friday 19 April 2002 06:47, prthober wrote:
> > My vote is to stay here for now. Yes, Yahoo is annoying - the ads
are
> > obnoxious, 9.99% interest, wireless cam, pick that lock!, etc, but
> > I've gotten quick with the mouse. I caught the message concerning
> > marketing preferences and fixed that right away - no junk mail
yet.
> > The delay in posts arriving is really strange - one of mine took
> > twelve hours to show up. A forum without ads and all the yahoo
B.S.
> > would be nice, however.
>
> Just to remind people: you can choose to receive the bolger postings
> via email instead of via the web interface. The advantages of email
> over mail:
>
> * you can step through postings much faster, since there is no
> network activity while you are reading
>
> * you are notified when a posting arrives, instead of having to
check
> the website
>
> * you don't waste bandwidth downloading obnoxious yahoo ads
>
> * you don't get obnoxious yahoo ads. Yahoo do append a few lines
> of advertising at the bottom of the posting, but they are just
ASCII
> text and I don't even notice them
>
> Most mailreaders will let you set up filters to redirect postings
with
> subject = "*[bolger]*" to a special folder, so the bolger postings
> don't interfere with your normal mail.
>
> --
> Bruce Fountain (fountainb@s...)
> Senior Software Engineer
> Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
> Perth Western Australia
> tel: +618 9256 0083
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
Nurturing a community, which is what this
> group really is, cannot necessarily be forced. It is hard to herd
> cats, so to speak. Might be possible to move it, but there are no
> guarantees of success, and I bet that the total membership would
drop
> from 1000 to 100 in the process.
>
> Now if www.PhilBolger.com had a discussion bulletin board, [like
> Dynamite Payson successful bulletin board at instantboats.com],
that
> would work!
I'll vote for staying with Yahoo for the reasons stated above by
Bruce.Better the devil you know then the one you don't.
The various options of just how we all recieve the postings
should make it reasonably easy to minimize the nut-cracking
frustrations without blunting the sometimes useful info and pleasures
this group affords to us builders/dreamers.
I know I would feel somewhat isolated if I were to lose the
ability to read all of your(yes,we are over 1000 members!) posts
regarding aspects of my(our?) Hero,Sir Phil. :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,dedicated Bolger fan and aspiring bum-at-large,from the
shores of the St.Lawrence..........
If we moved it, we would have some type of web interface. I use that
too.
too.
--- In bolger@y..., "futabachan" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
> > Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
>
> Please don't. This group is too high-volume for me to keep up
> with as an actual mailing list; I'm only really able to participate
> because I can set myself nomail and read through the web interface.
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>
On Friday 19 April 2002 06:47, prthober wrote:
via email instead of via the web interface. The advantages of email
over mail:
* you can step through postings much faster, since there is no
network activity while you are reading
* you are notified when a posting arrives, instead of having to check
the website
* you don't waste bandwidth downloading obnoxious yahoo ads
* you don't get obnoxious yahoo ads. Yahoo do append a few lines
of advertising at the bottom of the posting, but they are just ASCII
text and I don't even notice them
Most mailreaders will let you set up filters to redirect postings with
subject = "*[bolger]*" to a special folder, so the bolger postings
don't interfere with your normal mail.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
> My vote is to stay here for now. Yes, Yahoo is annoying - the ads areJust to remind people: you can choose to receive the bolger postings
> obnoxious, 9.99% interest, wireless cam, pick that lock!, etc, but
> I've gotten quick with the mouse. I caught the message concerning
> marketing preferences and fixed that right away - no junk mail yet.
> The delay in posts arriving is really strange - one of mine took
> twelve hours to show up. A forum without ads and all the yahoo B.S.
> would be nice, however.
via email instead of via the web interface. The advantages of email
over mail:
* you can step through postings much faster, since there is no
network activity while you are reading
* you are notified when a posting arrives, instead of having to check
the website
* you don't waste bandwidth downloading obnoxious yahoo ads
* you don't get obnoxious yahoo ads. Yahoo do append a few lines
of advertising at the bottom of the posting, but they are just ASCII
text and I don't even notice them
Most mailreaders will let you set up filters to redirect postings with
subject = "*[bolger]*" to a special folder, so the bolger postings
don't interfere with your normal mail.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
>Your new marketing preferences will not take effect until 60 days after the date of thismailing so you have plenty of time to decide what you want to receive and what you don't.
To change your preferences, go to the <http://subscribe.yahoo.com/showaccount> Marketing
Preferences page.
Richard,
Above is part of a message received from Yahoo April 9th. Unless you distrust them
completely now, there may be some other explanation for your surge. I know my own spam
load seems to come in waves, so must be based upon where I've been and left a track
somehow. Every time I buy something there's a flood of related notices.
While I know the best advice is never to reply to spam ( because "Then, they've really got
your email." ), that doesn't solve the continually repeated, same message problem. I've
had pretty good luck with the, "Please remove me" buttons.
For my Mac, the little Web Free ad stripping control panel seems to savage Yahoo's market
plan quite well.
Mark
rlspell2000 wrote:
>
> Well, apparently they sent my email address out before I set them
> to "no". My spam level has at least doubled in the last week.
>
> I could do the technical stuff, if someone has a server and bandwidth
> to spar.
> Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?Please don't. This group is too high-volume for me to keep up
with as an actual mailing list; I'm only really able to participate
because I can set myself nomail and read through the web interface.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
My vote is to stay here for now. Yes, Yahoo is annoying - the ads are
obnoxious, 9.99% interest, wireless cam, pick that lock!, etc, but
I've gotten quick with the mouse. I caught the message concerning
marketing preferences and fixed that right away - no junk mail yet.
The delay in posts arriving is really strange - one of mine took
twelve hours to show up. A forum without ads and all the yahoo B.S.
would be nice, however.
Paul
obnoxious, 9.99% interest, wireless cam, pick that lock!, etc, but
I've gotten quick with the mouse. I caught the message concerning
marketing preferences and fixed that right away - no junk mail yet.
The delay in posts arriving is really strange - one of mine took
twelve hours to show up. A forum without ads and all the yahoo B.S.
would be nice, however.
Paul
--- In bolger@y..., "rlspell2000" <richard@s...> wrote:
> Well, it seems Yahoo ate my message concerning needing a winch to
> lift centerboards.
>
> This is becoming common, they ate another one earlier today. Now, I
> have to log in every day, and my spam load has went over the top
> with "marketing preferences".
>
> Also, since Yahoo took over from egroups, there is a multi-second
> pause before any response is recieved to a click on the webpage.
>
> Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
>
> Maybe one of the techie boat builders here would volunteer to
> administer it? Anybody have a server and some bandwidth they would
> like to donate to the cause?
>
> Thoughts? Flames? Comments?
On a related note, you think there is any value in setting up a forum
on Chebacco?
on Chebacco?
--- In bolger@y..., "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@b...> wrote:
> Can't help with the tech stuff, but some folks on other lists have
> complained of not receiving notice that the new "marketing
preferences" have
> all been set to "yes", according to Yahoo. I was lucky enough to be
> notified, and have effectively blocked the spam by visiting Yahoo's
> Marketing Preferences page and resetting them to "no". (Our
firewall here
> at work probably helps to lose a lot of spam, too.)
>
> Jamie Orr
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rlspell2000 [mailto:richard@s...]
> Sent: April 18, 2002 11:36 AM
> To: bolger@y...
> Subject: [bolger] Moving Bolger forum
>
>
> Well, it seems Yahoo ate my message concerning needing a winch to
> lift centerboards.
>
> This is becoming common, they ate another one earlier today. Now, I
> have to log in every day, and my spam load has went over the top
> with "marketing preferences".
>
> Also, since Yahoo took over from egroups, there is a multi-second
> pause before any response is recieved to a click on the webpage.
>
> Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
>
> Maybe one of the techie boat builders here would volunteer to
> administer it? Anybody have a server and some bandwidth they would
> like to donate to the cause?
>
> Thoughts? Flames? Comments?
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you
like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Well, apparently they sent my email address out before I set them
to "no". My spam level has at least doubled in the last week.
I could do the technical stuff, if someone has a server and bandwidth
to spar.
to "no". My spam level has at least doubled in the last week.
I could do the technical stuff, if someone has a server and bandwidth
to spar.
--- In bolger@y..., "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@b...> wrote:
> Can't help with the tech stuff, but some folks on other lists have
> complained of not receiving notice that the new "marketing
preferences" have
> all been set to "yes", according to Yahoo. I was lucky enough to be
> notified, and have effectively blocked the spam by visiting Yahoo's
> Marketing Preferences page and resetting them to "no". (Our
firewall here
> at work probably helps to lose a lot of spam, too.)
>
> Jamie Orr
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rlspell2000 [mailto:richard@s...]
> Sent: April 18, 2002 11:36 AM
> To: bolger@y...
> Subject: [bolger] Moving Bolger forum
>
>
> Well, it seems Yahoo ate my message concerning needing a winch to
> lift centerboards.
>
> This is becoming common, they ate another one earlier today. Now, I
> have to log in every day, and my spam load has went over the top
> with "marketing preferences".
>
> Also, since Yahoo took over from egroups, there is a multi-second
> pause before any response is recieved to a click on the webpage.
>
> Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
>
> Maybe one of the techie boat builders here would volunteer to
> administer it? Anybody have a server and some bandwidth they would
> like to donate to the cause?
>
> Thoughts? Flames? Comments?
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you
like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
--- In bolger@y..., "rlspell2000" <richard@s...> wrote:
thirty hours to post a message to the group. Though I have
experienced no truly lost messages, just some are *really* slow. I
bet Yahoo is trying to quickly fix this glitch in their cash cow.
Most of the dancing advertisement problem can be filtered out by
using Webwasher.
The spam settings can be reset easily too.
[listserv based], which tried to re-locate itself, and in the process
withered up and died. Nurturing a community, which is what this
group really is, cannot necessarily be forced. It is hard to herd
cats, so to speak. Might be possible to move it, but there are no
guarantees of success, and I bet that the total membership would drop
from 1000 to 100 in the process.
Now if www.PhilBolger.com had a discussion bulletin board, [like
Dynamite Payson successful bulletin board at instantboats.com], that
would work!
> Well, it seems Yahoo ate my messageI have noticed that lately Yahoo can take anywhere from one minute to
thirty hours to post a message to the group. Though I have
experienced no truly lost messages, just some are *really* slow. I
bet Yahoo is trying to quickly fix this glitch in their cash cow.
Most of the dancing advertisement problem can be filtered out by
using Webwasher.
The spam settings can be reset easily too.
> Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?A few years back, I was involved in an active email discussion group
[listserv based], which tried to re-locate itself, and in the process
withered up and died. Nurturing a community, which is what this
group really is, cannot necessarily be forced. It is hard to herd
cats, so to speak. Might be possible to move it, but there are no
guarantees of success, and I bet that the total membership would drop
from 1000 to 100 in the process.
Now if www.PhilBolger.com had a discussion bulletin board, [like
Dynamite Payson successful bulletin board at instantboats.com], that
would work!
I just had a message on another yahoo group take about 30 hours to
get posted.
My opinion is that you have a lot of registered users that read from
time to time and you will lose a number of them if you move.
Just went through a similar effort on the electric boats group.
get posted.
My opinion is that you have a lot of registered users that read from
time to time and you will lose a number of them if you move.
Just went through a similar effort on the electric boats group.
--- In bolger@y..., "rlspell2000" <richard@s...> wrote:
> Well, it seems Yahoo ate my message concerning needing a winch to
> lift centerboards.
>
> This is becoming common, they ate another one earlier today. Now, I
> have to log in every day, and my spam load has went over the top
> with "marketing preferences".
>
> Also, since Yahoo took over from egroups, there is a multi-second
> pause before any response is recieved to a click on the webpage.
>
> Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
>
> Maybe one of the techie boat builders here would volunteer to
> administer it? Anybody have a server and some bandwidth they would
> like to donate to the cause?
>
> Thoughts? Flames? Comments?
Can't help with the tech stuff, but some folks on other lists have
complained of not receiving notice that the new "marketing preferences" have
all been set to "yes", according to Yahoo. I was lucky enough to be
notified, and have effectively blocked the spam by visiting Yahoo's
Marketing Preferences page and resetting them to "no". (Our firewall here
at work probably helps to lose a lot of spam, too.)
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: rlspell2000 [mailto:richard@...]
Sent: April 18, 2002 11:36 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Moving Bolger forum
Well, it seems Yahoo ate my message concerning needing a winch to
lift centerboards.
This is becoming common, they ate another one earlier today. Now, I
have to log in every day, and my spam load has went over the top
with "marketing preferences".
Also, since Yahoo took over from egroups, there is a multi-second
pause before any response is recieved to a click on the webpage.
Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
Maybe one of the techie boat builders here would volunteer to
administer it? Anybody have a server and some bandwidth they would
like to donate to the cause?
Thoughts? Flames? Comments?
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
complained of not receiving notice that the new "marketing preferences" have
all been set to "yes", according to Yahoo. I was lucky enough to be
notified, and have effectively blocked the spam by visiting Yahoo's
Marketing Preferences page and resetting them to "no". (Our firewall here
at work probably helps to lose a lot of spam, too.)
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: rlspell2000 [mailto:richard@...]
Sent: April 18, 2002 11:36 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Moving Bolger forum
Well, it seems Yahoo ate my message concerning needing a winch to
lift centerboards.
This is becoming common, they ate another one earlier today. Now, I
have to log in every day, and my spam load has went over the top
with "marketing preferences".
Also, since Yahoo took over from egroups, there is a multi-second
pause before any response is recieved to a click on the webpage.
Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
Maybe one of the techie boat builders here would volunteer to
administer it? Anybody have a server and some bandwidth they would
like to donate to the cause?
Thoughts? Flames? Comments?
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Well, it seems Yahoo ate my message concerning needing a winch to
lift centerboards.
This is becoming common, they ate another one earlier today. Now, I
have to log in every day, and my spam load has went over the top
with "marketing preferences".
Also, since Yahoo took over from egroups, there is a multi-second
pause before any response is recieved to a click on the webpage.
Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
Maybe one of the techie boat builders here would volunteer to
administer it? Anybody have a server and some bandwidth they would
like to donate to the cause?
Thoughts? Flames? Comments?
lift centerboards.
This is becoming common, they ate another one earlier today. Now, I
have to log in every day, and my spam load has went over the top
with "marketing preferences".
Also, since Yahoo took over from egroups, there is a multi-second
pause before any response is recieved to a click on the webpage.
Is there any interest in moving the Bolger forum?
Maybe one of the techie boat builders here would volunteer to
administer it? Anybody have a server and some bandwidth they would
like to donate to the cause?
Thoughts? Flames? Comments?