Re: [bolger] Lapstrake Chebacco

From the footnote to your message:
- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
He doesn't take credit cards, only personal checks or money orders by snail
mail.

They were $250 USD in July of 2003, and include all versions. This leads to
a lot of study of the unnumbered sheets being needed; let's see, I use the
main mast from sheet 7 and the mizzen from sheet 5. The "cruising
conversion" is on sheet 8, but it's shown for the non-lapstrake version, so
we need to add 2" to the width of the bulkhead shown. etc.

I'll find out how well "Hulls" predicted the strake widths when I finish
fairing the bulkheads and molds; see
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm/Dayawl.html
Note: the insight web site is under construction. The model referenced is
still athttp://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm/Chebacco.html

Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Anderson" <paa@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: [bolger] Lapstrake Chebacco


>I will be building, I'm pretty certain, next year (when my boatshop is
> completed) a Chebacco. This will be the 20 footer without the cruiser
> modifications. I was originally planning to do the hardchined sheet ply
> version because I had done a couple of smaller boats by this building
> method. I got Payson's plans. However, I'm now toying with the idea of
> the lapstrake version - partly because I'm taking a traditional
> boatbuilding class at Mystic Seaport in January. Does anyone know the
> cost of Bolger plans for the lapstrake version and his fax number ( does
> he take credit cards or only checks)? Thanks for the info. Peter
> Anderson
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I will be building, I'm pretty certain, next year (when my boatshop is
completed) a Chebacco. This will be the 20 footer without the cruiser
modifications. I was originally planning to do the hardchined sheet ply
version because I had done a couple of smaller boats by this building
method. I got Payson's plans. However, I'm now toying with the idea of
the lapstrake version - partly because I'm taking a traditional
boatbuilding class at Mystic Seaport in January. Does anyone know the
cost of Bolger plans for the lapstrake version and his fax number ( does
he take credit cards or only checks)? Thanks for the info. Peter
Anderson


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> Personally, I won't bother with such stuff on my Queen Mab.

Besides, if you can keep your boat inside, it won't matter.

PHV
At the risk of keeping this thread going beyond a reasonable life
span, I would like to point out that Reuel Parker sheaths his
striking plywood lapstrake Swansea Pilot Schooner with Xynole set in
low-viscosity epoxy. In _Boat Design Quarterly_ #17, Mike O'Brien
says that using this compliant cloth should make the job tolerable.
Doing the same with fiberglass, he writes, "...seems an activity best
confined to one of hell's inner circles".

Personally, I won't bother with such stuff on my Queen Mab. Lapstrake
is hard enough by itself. Sheathing it would be aggravating,
expensive, heavy, and (most fatally) it would delay the launch date,

porky



--- In bolger@y..., thomas dalzell <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
> That's a perfectly helpful point, but I would be loath
> to do that for three reasons:
>
> 1)The edges of each plank would not be coated, and
> these are the areas most prone to moisture problems.
> You could glass each individual plank to get around
> this, but that would involve long delays.
>
> 2)Cutting out from glassed stock, would create huge
> toxic waste problems (not a superfund site, except
> possibly in your lungs and shop).
>
> 3) you would waste a lot of glass.
>
> My approach would be to find a very slow epoxy, and
> vaccum bag on some light cloth. Vaccum pressure would
> force the cloth into all the little nooks quite
> nicely. In general I agree with the idea of just
> making the sheet ply version. The WB article
> suggested that there wasn't a clear performance winner
> amoung the three hull processes used on the Chebacco
>
>
> --- "Clyde S. Wisner" <clydewis@c...> wrote:
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> You could fiberglass the plant stock before you cut
> out the strake as Robb White does. Clyde<BR>
That's a perfectly helpful point, but I would be loath
to do that for three reasons:

1)The edges of each plank would not be coated, and
these are the areas most prone to moisture problems.
You could glass each individual plank to get around
this, but that would involve long delays.

2)Cutting out from glassed stock, would create huge
toxic waste problems (not a superfund site, except
possibly in your lungs and shop).

3) you would waste a lot of glass.

My approach would be to find a very slow epoxy, and
vaccum bag on some light cloth. Vaccum pressure would
force the cloth into all the little nooks quite
nicely. In general I agree with the idea of just
making the sheet ply version. The WB article
suggested that there wasn't a clear performance winner
amoung the three hull processes used on the Chebacco


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You could fiberglass the plant stock before you cut
out the strake as Robb White does. Clyde<BR>
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pvanderwaart wrote:<BR>
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> > Is it possible to fiberglass the lapstrake
and is it<BR>
> > practical to do so?<BR>
><BR>
> Well, there have been fb covered lapstrake boats,
but it's not<BR>
> something I would be interested in. Fiberglass is
hardest to make<BR>
> work on sharp corners, and lapstrake has a
maximum number of those.<BR>
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You could fiberglass the plant stock before you cut out the strake as Robb White does. Clyde

pvanderwaart wrote:

> > Is it possible to fiberglass the lapstrake and is it
> > practical to do so?
>
> Well, there have been fb covered lapstrake boats, but it's not
> something I would be interested in. Fiberglass is hardest to make
> work on sharp corners, and lapstrake has a maximum number of those.
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Payson sells the plans more cheaply. You will get support from him if you
buy from him. If you buy from Bolger, you get support from Bolger, but you
pay more to start with -- your choice. I bought from Bolger before Payson
started selling Chebacco plans, and found he (Bolger) replied promptly to
questions.

All you need to know is in Payson's "Build the New Instant Boats" if you go
sheet ply. (It's recommended right on the plans.) Any other questions you
come up with are probably answered in the old Chebacco News on Richard's
website. You've also got the Chebacco owners' "non-association" for any new
Chebacco-specific problems you can come up with.

Cheers,

Jamie Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: prthober [mailto:prthober@...]
Sent: April 22, 2002 3:03 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Lapstrake Chebacco


OK, I'm convinced. I went to the Depoe Bay website (mentioned in the
posting after yours) and there were two pictures of your boat -
beautiful! Any question of aesthetics are nicely answered by your
boat. I already had a picture of your boat on my wall that I had
printed out from the Chebacco website. I don't know why I want to
make building this boat any harder than it already is. I do want to
sheath this boat with fiberglass so the sheet-ply version is what I
will build.

Can someone tell me what the deal is with Phil Bolger and Harold
Payson? I assume that Mr. Payson is an authorized resller of Mr.
Bolger's boat plans and that Mr. Bolger receives compensation when
the plans are sold, so why the lack of technical support if one buys
from Mr. Payson?

Cheers,

Paul

--- In bolger@y..., "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@b...> wrote:
> Go to the www.chebacco.com website for a ton of information. The
lapstrake
> is not intended to be fibreglassed, but then I have the sheet ply
version so
> I can't really say. I use a 5 hp Honda and find that is entirely
> satisfactory. With a 3 gallon tank in the well with the motor,
that's also
> all the weight I want back there.
>
> Jamie Orr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: prthober [mailto:prthober@p...]
> Sent: April 22, 2002 11:22 AM
> To: bolger@y...
> Subject: [bolger] Lapstrake Chebacco
>
>
> OK, I give up on the Wittholtz 17' cat - it is just too many bolts
> and screws for my taste. Someone suggested Chebacco to me and I
think
> I will take the suggestion. The lapstrake version really appeals to
> me esthetically, but I wonder about the amount of extra labor
> involved. Also, is it possible to fiberglass the lapstrake and is
it
> practical to do so? How big a motor does it need to move the boat
> comfortably?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you
like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
>
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Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
OK, I'm convinced. I went to the Depoe Bay website (mentioned in the
posting after yours) and there were two pictures of your boat -
beautiful! Any question of aesthetics are nicely answered by your
boat. I already had a picture of your boat on my wall that I had
printed out from the Chebacco website. I don't know why I want to
make building this boat any harder than it already is. I do want to
sheath this boat with fiberglass so the sheet-ply version is what I
will build.

Can someone tell me what the deal is with Phil Bolger and Harold
Payson? I assume that Mr. Payson is an authorized resller of Mr.
Bolger's boat plans and that Mr. Bolger receives compensation when
the plans are sold, so why the lack of technical support if one buys
from Mr. Payson?

Cheers,

Paul

--- In bolger@y..., "Orr, Jamie" <jorr@b...> wrote:
> Go to the www.chebacco.com website for a ton of information. The
lapstrake
> is not intended to be fibreglassed, but then I have the sheet ply
version so
> I can't really say. I use a 5 hp Honda and find that is entirely
> satisfactory. With a 3 gallon tank in the well with the motor,
that's also
> all the weight I want back there.
>
> Jamie Orr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: prthober [mailto:prthober@p...]
> Sent: April 22, 2002 11:22 AM
> To: bolger@y...
> Subject: [bolger] Lapstrake Chebacco
>
>
> OK, I give up on the Wittholtz 17' cat - it is just too many bolts
> and screws for my taste. Someone suggested Chebacco to me and I
think
> I will take the suggestion. The lapstrake version really appeals to
> me esthetically, but I wonder about the amount of extra labor
> involved. Also, is it possible to fiberglass the lapstrake and is
it
> practical to do so? How big a motor does it need to move the boat
> comfortably?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you
like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Go to the www.chebacco.com website for a ton of information. The lapstrake
is not intended to be fibreglassed, but then I have the sheet ply version so
I can't really say. I use a 5 hp Honda and find that is entirely
satisfactory. With a 3 gallon tank in the well with the motor, that's also
all the weight I want back there.

Jamie Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: prthober [mailto:prthober@...]
Sent: April 22, 2002 11:22 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Lapstrake Chebacco


OK, I give up on the Wittholtz 17' cat - it is just too many bolts
and screws for my taste. Someone suggested Chebacco to me and I think
I will take the suggestion. The lapstrake version really appeals to
me esthetically, but I wonder about the amount of extra labor
involved. Also, is it possible to fiberglass the lapstrake and is it
practical to do so? How big a motor does it need to move the boat
comfortably?

Thanks,

Paul



Bolger rules!!!
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- pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

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I don't think the lapstrake version is worth all the effort. I read a book
on lapstrake, and he used three strakes, basicaly a hard chine hull. I think
plywood hard chine is the modern version of lapstrake. If you are going to
glass the hull, why do lapstrake? A glassed plywood hard chine hull is
basicaly one solid unit, no joints to leak. If you glass the lapstrake, you
are taking away one of the few reasons to go lapstrake, i.e., no fiberglass.


Anyway.

Chebacco is firmly in the semi-displacement hull form. You could get away
with a 15hp motor, but will get hull speed with a 4hp.

----- Original Message -----
From: "prthober" <prthober@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:21 PM
Subject: [bolger] Lapstrake Chebacco


> OK, I give up on the Wittholtz 17' cat - it is just too many bolts
> and screws for my taste. Someone suggested Chebacco to me and I think
> I will take the suggestion. The lapstrake version really appeals to
> me esthetically, but I wonder about the amount of extra labor
> involved. Also, is it possible to fiberglass the lapstrake and is it
> practical to do so? How big a motor does it need to move the boat
> comfortably?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Is it possible to fiberglass the lapstrake and is it
> practical to do so?

Well, there have been fb covered lapstrake boats, but it's not
something I would be interested in. Fiberglass is hardest to make
work on sharp corners, and lapstrake has a maximum number of those.
OK, I give up on the Wittholtz 17' cat - it is just too many bolts
and screws for my taste. Someone suggested Chebacco to me and I think
I will take the suggestion. The lapstrake version really appeals to
me esthetically, but I wonder about the amount of extra labor
involved. Also, is it possible to fiberglass the lapstrake and is it
practical to do so? How big a motor does it need to move the boat
comfortably?

Thanks,

Paul