[bolger] Re: off topic: Geodesic AiroLITE boats
Orr, Jamie wrote:
I'll put in a vote for inclusion. My Geodesic Aerolite Snowshoe rests right on
top of my Bolger 16' Pirogue and just five feet from my nesting Bolger Tortoise
and Shoe Box dinghies, so it counts, too. One of these years I'm gunna built a
stripper--I love the look of 'em. I've heard that they take a lot of time,
though. Monfort's boats go together pretty quickly, not instant boat quick, but
damn close. Steam bending is really neat after you remember to wear gloves
(ouch!) and work fast,
david
> Sorry, I'm getting off the original off-topic here, but since we're talkingJamie,
> fibreglass and 45 pound weights, I can't resist a plug for cedar strip.
> I've built 2 cedar strip canoes -- one (with a partner) was a 16 foot cedar
> strip canoe with 6 ounce glass inside and out, plus flotation chambers in
> the ends, and it came out at 50 pounds -- light on portage and could be
> built lighter. The other is a 9 foot "Sairey Gamp" type, never weighed but
> very light. For a tough, light, easy to build canoe, I don't think cedar can
> be beat.
>
> If I say that the big canoe lives under the same shelter as two Bolger
> boats, will that make a Bolger connection?
I'll put in a vote for inclusion. My Geodesic Aerolite Snowshoe rests right on
top of my Bolger 16' Pirogue and just five feet from my nesting Bolger Tortoise
and Shoe Box dinghies, so it counts, too. One of these years I'm gunna built a
stripper--I love the look of 'em. I've heard that they take a lot of time,
though. Monfort's boats go together pretty quickly, not instant boat quick, but
damn close. Steam bending is really neat after you remember to wear gloves
(ouch!) and work fast,
david
Sean,
I have built the 17.5' Snowshoe Canoe. I found it challenging to construct.
The steam bending is interesting, but not that hard. I wasn't happy with the
epoxy that came with the kit (it is used to glue the frame together), so I
used West System stuff, which I always seem to have lying around. My kids
and I used it extensively for one season here in the Catskills and up in the
Adirondacks. The lakes and rivers here and there are very rocky, and our
paddling skills were borderline. Naturally, the Dacron fabric was a wreck by
autumn, so I ordered another piece from Monfort to recover the thing.
Monfort suggested doubling the fabric or covering it with a self-adhesive
mylar to reinforce it, but I just left the Kevlar roving off, covered the
frame with the Dacron, and epoxied 6 oz. fiberglass onto that. It added
about 8 lbs. to the 45 lbs. weight of the boat, but it can now stand up to
Catskill sandstone and Adirondack gneiss, as well as the odd sharp branch,
with aplume. I probably shouldn't admit this on the Bolger Boats list, but
the Snowshoe is my favorite boat....
david
Sean Rooney wrote:
I have built the 17.5' Snowshoe Canoe. I found it challenging to construct.
The steam bending is interesting, but not that hard. I wasn't happy with the
epoxy that came with the kit (it is used to glue the frame together), so I
used West System stuff, which I always seem to have lying around. My kids
and I used it extensively for one season here in the Catskills and up in the
Adirondacks. The lakes and rivers here and there are very rocky, and our
paddling skills were borderline. Naturally, the Dacron fabric was a wreck by
autumn, so I ordered another piece from Monfort to recover the thing.
Monfort suggested doubling the fabric or covering it with a self-adhesive
mylar to reinforce it, but I just left the Kevlar roving off, covered the
frame with the Dacron, and epoxied 6 oz. fiberglass onto that. It added
about 8 lbs. to the 45 lbs. weight of the boat, but it can now stand up to
Catskill sandstone and Adirondack gneiss, as well as the odd sharp branch,
with aplume. I probably shouldn't admit this on the Bolger Boats list, but
the Snowshoe is my favorite boat....
david
Sean Rooney wrote:
> This is completely non-Bolger, but still home boat building.
>
> Has anyone on the list built or sailed or have comments about any of
> the Geodesic AiroLITE boats designed by Platt Monfort? I'm
> fascinated. I've sent for his study plan book. I'm seriously
> considering the Classic 10 or Classic 12 (among the other ten or so
> boats I'm seriously considering, although I think I'm getting closer
> to choosing :)
>
> URL:http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com
>
> thanks for any info
>
> Sean Rooney
>
> The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to
> constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every
> appearance, the variable PI can be given that value with a DATA
> statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This
> also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change.
> ---- FORTRAN manual for Xerox Computers
>
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Sorry, I'm getting off the original off-topic here, but since we're talking
fibreglass and 45 pound weights, I can't resist a plug for cedar strip.
I've built 2 cedar strip canoes -- one (with a partner) was a 16 foot cedar
strip canoe with 6 ounce glass inside and out, plus flotation chambers in
the ends, and it came out at 50 pounds -- light on portage and could be
built lighter. The other is a 9 foot "Sairey Gamp" type, never weighed but
very light. For a tough, light, easy to build canoe, I don't think cedar can
be beat.
If I say that the big canoe lives under the same shelter as two Bolger
boats, will that make a Bolger connection?
Jamie Orr
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From: david [mailto:galvind@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 1:07 PM
To:bolger@...
Subject: [bolger] Re: off topic: Geodesic AiroLITE boats
Sean,
I have built the 17.5' Snowshoe Canoe. I found it challenging to construct.
The steam bending is interesting, but not that hard. I wasn't happy with the
epoxy that came with the kit (it is used to glue the frame together), so I
used West System stuff, which I always seem to have lying around. My kids
and I used it extensively for one season here in the Catskills and up in the
Adirondacks. The lakes and rivers here and there are very rocky, and our
paddling skills were borderline. Naturally, the Dacron fabric was a wreck by
autumn, so I ordered another piece from Monfort to recover the thing.
Monfort suggested doubling the fabric or covering it with a self-adhesive
mylar to reinforce it, but I just left the Kevlar roving off, covered the
frame with the Dacron, and epoxied 6 oz. fiberglass onto that. It added
about 8 lbs. to the 45 lbs. weight of the boat, but it can now stand up to
Catskill sandstone and Adirondack gneiss, as well as the odd sharp branch,
with aplume. I probably shouldn't admit this on the Bolger Boats list, but
the Snowshoe is my favorite boat....
david
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fibreglass and 45 pound weights, I can't resist a plug for cedar strip.
I've built 2 cedar strip canoes -- one (with a partner) was a 16 foot cedar
strip canoe with 6 ounce glass inside and out, plus flotation chambers in
the ends, and it came out at 50 pounds -- light on portage and could be
built lighter. The other is a 9 foot "Sairey Gamp" type, never weighed but
very light. For a tough, light, easy to build canoe, I don't think cedar can
be beat.
If I say that the big canoe lives under the same shelter as two Bolger
boats, will that make a Bolger connection?
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: david [mailto:galvind@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 1:07 PM
To:bolger@...
Subject: [bolger] Re: off topic: Geodesic AiroLITE boats
Sean,
I have built the 17.5' Snowshoe Canoe. I found it challenging to construct.
The steam bending is interesting, but not that hard. I wasn't happy with the
epoxy that came with the kit (it is used to glue the frame together), so I
used West System stuff, which I always seem to have lying around. My kids
and I used it extensively for one season here in the Catskills and up in the
Adirondacks. The lakes and rivers here and there are very rocky, and our
paddling skills were borderline. Naturally, the Dacron fabric was a wreck by
autumn, so I ordered another piece from Monfort to recover the thing.
Monfort suggested doubling the fabric or covering it with a self-adhesive
mylar to reinforce it, but I just left the Kevlar roving off, covered the
frame with the Dacron, and epoxied 6 oz. fiberglass onto that. It added
about 8 lbs. to the 45 lbs. weight of the boat, but it can now stand up to
Catskill sandstone and Adirondack gneiss, as well as the odd sharp branch,
with aplume. I probably shouldn't admit this on the Bolger Boats list, but
the Snowshoe is my favorite boat....
david
Sean Rooney wrote:
> This is completely non-Bolger, but still home boat building.------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Has anyone on the list built or sailed or have comments about any of
> the Geodesic AiroLITE boats designed by Platt Monfort? I'm
> fascinated. I've sent for his study plan book. I'm seriously
> considering the Classic 10 or Classic 12 (among the other ten or so
> boats I'm seriously considering, although I think I'm getting closer
> to choosing :)
>
> URL:http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com
>
> thanks for any info
>
> Sean Rooney
>
> The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to
> constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every
> appearance, the variable PI can be given that value with a DATA
> statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This
> also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change.
> ---- FORTRAN manual for Xerox Computers
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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We have a Cartopper 9. Unfortunately, got some water in it during
storage (blowing snow when we thought it was properly sheltered) and
bottom delaminated. These are incredibly light (ours is something like
40 lbs with a wood bottom), but not that sturdy. Good sailer, but
gunwhale and inwhale started to separate in medium breeze. Maybe if it
hadn't been so stable we would have eased the sheet, but it was only 10
or 12mph, I think. Probably fine if reinforced. Nice to row. Higher
maintenance than some other types, but very pretty. I'm thinking if you
skip the brightwork and use something like Hypalon instead of paint on
the fabric, it might make it sturdier. I wonder, with two layers or
some kind of heavier fabric, it might be tough enough. Platt is an
interesting guy with a bunch of good ideas. He may have come up with
something new in the covering dept. by now.
I am going to Bolger instant type boats as being less fussy, but if you
have the patience to build and maintain, and if you're not going to use
it all the time, this could be a good choice.
storage (blowing snow when we thought it was properly sheltered) and
bottom delaminated. These are incredibly light (ours is something like
40 lbs with a wood bottom), but not that sturdy. Good sailer, but
gunwhale and inwhale started to separate in medium breeze. Maybe if it
hadn't been so stable we would have eased the sheet, but it was only 10
or 12mph, I think. Probably fine if reinforced. Nice to row. Higher
maintenance than some other types, but very pretty. I'm thinking if you
skip the brightwork and use something like Hypalon instead of paint on
the fabric, it might make it sturdier. I wonder, with two layers or
some kind of heavier fabric, it might be tough enough. Platt is an
interesting guy with a bunch of good ideas. He may have come up with
something new in the covering dept. by now.
I am going to Bolger instant type boats as being less fussy, but if you
have the patience to build and maintain, and if you're not going to use
it all the time, this could be a good choice.
This is completely non-Bolger, but still home boat building.
Has anyone on the list built or sailed or have comments about any of
the Geodesic AiroLITE boats designed by Platt Monfort? I'm
fascinated. I've sent for his study plan book. I'm seriously
considering the Classic 10 or Classic 12 (among the other ten or so
boats I'm seriously considering, although I think I'm getting closer
to choosing :)
URL:http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com
thanks for any info
Sean Rooney
The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to
constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every
appearance, the variable PI can be given that value with a DATA
statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This
also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change.
---- FORTRAN manual for Xerox Computers
Has anyone on the list built or sailed or have comments about any of
the Geodesic AiroLITE boats designed by Platt Monfort? I'm
fascinated. I've sent for his study plan book. I'm seriously
considering the Classic 10 or Classic 12 (among the other ten or so
boats I'm seriously considering, although I think I'm getting closer
to choosing :)
URL:http://www.geodesicairoliteboats.com
thanks for any info
Sean Rooney
The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to
constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every
appearance, the variable PI can be given that value with a DATA
statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This
also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change.
---- FORTRAN manual for Xerox Computers