Re: Single handed liveaboards, Jessie Cooper, and ?
> What other designs of PB&F are intended for single-handed livingI believe we have a list member who's currently commissioning PCB
> aboard?
for just such a design, for all-weather use. I'm not sure how "out"
he is about this fact, though, so I'll let him speak up or not as
he sees fit.
IIRC, _Saghali_ (the original Breakdown Schooner) was purchased
by a single man who promptly moved aboard her, though that wasn't
her original design intent.
And, closer to home, PCB thinks that the Insolent 60 would be a
fairly spartan choice for full-time living aboard... but I'm
planning to spend a good deal of my summers aboard _Gadfly_, and
to use her as stopgap housing if I ever need to move somewhere
where I can't afford housing, until I can finish building (or
buy secondhand) a design that's better suited for the task.
-- Sue --
(and I suppose there's the Jochems, too)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> I'd rather sail the AS-29 alone, it was designed forNo, the AS-29 is not the OSTAR boat. That design features a deep keel
> the OSTAR wasn't it, than step JC's mast at 100#.
and higher-aspect-ratio gaff cat rig. The hull shape is similar
though.
The idea of the A-frame tabernacle was to get the mast on-center as
much as to make it easily lowered.
As for an improved Jessie, I guess PCB thinks that the AS-29 fills
the bill, and it has been a popular design. I'm not sure how many
29's have been built, but it must be over a dozen and a couple times
the number of JC's.
Peter
--- In bolger@y..., "willers32" <mwagner@f...> wrote:
feet in length amounts to what seems like 8 more feet in usable cabin
length due to the chopped off AS-29 bow, where Jessie Cooper has a
pointy bow. I just re-read PCB critism of Jessie Cooper in Ch.69 of
MAIB "...weaknesses...not easily corrected..." no wonder he has not
updated that design, he doesn't like it.
I am curious at the relative differences in cost between these two
boats... perhaps 10 extra sheets of plywood, tabernacles, a little
more sail area.
> I am presently building an AS-29. I'll be positing some picsThe AS-29 seems like twice the boat as the Jessie Cooper. 4 more
feet in length amounts to what seems like 8 more feet in usable cabin
length due to the chopped off AS-29 bow, where Jessie Cooper has a
pointy bow. I just re-read PCB critism of Jessie Cooper in Ch.69 of
MAIB "...weaknesses...not easily corrected..." no wonder he has not
updated that design, he doesn't like it.
I am curious at the relative differences in cost between these two
boats... perhaps 10 extra sheets of plywood, tabernacles, a little
more sail area.
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
boat size. I once heard of an AS-29 that was single handed from New
York to Spain and back.
For several years, I was the skipper of a classic 45' Chappelle
cutter-ketch. I single-handed her quite often. After that, an AS-29
would be a snap.
(BTW, I am presently building an AS-29. I'll be positing some pics in
a few weeks.)
>I don't know about that. Ability to singlehand has little to do with
> The AS-29 seems too big to sail comfortably alone,
boat size. I once heard of an AS-29 that was single handed from New
York to Spain and back.
For several years, I was the skipper of a classic 45' Chappelle
cutter-ketch. I single-handed her quite often. After that, an AS-29
would be a snap.
(BTW, I am presently building an AS-29. I'll be positing some pics in
a few weeks.)
I'd rather sail the AS-29 alone, it was designed for
the OSTAR wasn't it, than step JC's mast at 100#. I
can lift 100#, but pivoting it off a nub at the end is
a fantasy for me. On the other hand, I don't much
like tabernacles. I haven't really solved this
dillemna in my own boats.
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, I can imagine <BR>
lifting a 100 pound mast.<BR>
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alone, and the AS-19 is too small for living
aboard.<BR>
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the OSTAR wasn't it, than step JC's mast at 100#. I
can lift 100#, but pivoting it off a nub at the end is
a fantasy for me. On the other hand, I don't much
like tabernacles. I haven't really solved this
dillemna in my own boats.
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, I can imagine <BR>
lifting a 100 pound mast.<BR>
<; The AS-29 seems too big to sail comfortably <BR>
alone, and the AS-19 is too small for living
aboard.<BR>
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FYI Chuck Merrel, who has built a Jesse Cooper, has a proposal on his
website for a modified version he calls "Tomboy Two" and can be seen
at:
http://www.boatdesign.com/tomboy/pages/junkboy.htm
His modifications include a junk rig and a shallow fixed keel. All it
needs is a bigger doghouse and it would be a liveaboard version of
the micro navigator! Also it might be worth the effort to add the
rounded bow section that cuts out the wave slap at anchor. I would
love to stay in touch with anyone who is interested in this concept
as I too am interested in a single liveaboard. One must take into
consideration the following factors:
1. The ammount of actual sailing one is contemplating - perhaps the
marina cruiser or Fast motor Sailor may be the ticket and have a
cartopper or other daysailer tied alongside.
2. The climate one is going to live in and how much shelter one
requires.
3. the requirement to trailer it vs: live in it.
4. How far offshore one plans to goes vs: perhaps gunkholing or canal
cruising.
Of the current designs, I expect The Jochens is also a prime
candidate, particularly if one is planning to do some river or canal
cruising. I am sure Mr. Bolger might have a junk rigged version in
his files. But before bothering him perhaps Jamie Orr could give us
some information about a sailer on the west coast who built the
original Jesse Cooper - I can't recall his name off hand. Bill?
Seems to me he is in the process of building a new boat right now?
Nels
website for a modified version he calls "Tomboy Two" and can be seen
at:
http://www.boatdesign.com/tomboy/pages/junkboy.htm
His modifications include a junk rig and a shallow fixed keel. All it
needs is a bigger doghouse and it would be a liveaboard version of
the micro navigator! Also it might be worth the effort to add the
rounded bow section that cuts out the wave slap at anchor. I would
love to stay in touch with anyone who is interested in this concept
as I too am interested in a single liveaboard. One must take into
consideration the following factors:
1. The ammount of actual sailing one is contemplating - perhaps the
marina cruiser or Fast motor Sailor may be the ticket and have a
cartopper or other daysailer tied alongside.
2. The climate one is going to live in and how much shelter one
requires.
3. the requirement to trailer it vs: live in it.
4. How far offshore one plans to goes vs: perhaps gunkholing or canal
cruising.
Of the current designs, I expect The Jochens is also a prime
candidate, particularly if one is planning to do some river or canal
cruising. I am sure Mr. Bolger might have a junk rigged version in
his files. But before bothering him perhaps Jamie Orr could give us
some information about a sailer on the west coast who built the
original Jesse Cooper - I can't recall his name off hand. Bill?
Seems to me he is in the process of building a new boat right now?
Nels
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> A "sub-catagory" of Bolger sailboat designs are intended for single-
> handed live aboards. Three designs come to mind immediately,
Jessie
> Cooper, "Leeboard Catboat" of Ch.67 of BWAOM, and of course
> Resolution.
>
> What other designs of PB&F are intended for single-handed living
> aboard?
>
> ...be possible to get an on-center mast tablernacle by usingAssuming 32 lbs per CF, I calculate the Jessie Cooper's main mast
> an A-frame sort of construction at bulkhead #2.
would weigh less than 100 pound, probably less than 90 pounds.
Although a tabernacle might be possible, I don't think it would be
worth the trouble, and loss of space for the head. With a little
planning, perhaps with a temporary "A frame" device , I can imagine
lifting a 100 pound mast.
The Jessie Cooper dagger board seems more ripe for modification into
pivoting leeboards, like the ones on the re-designed Fast Motor
Sailer. Also the 980 pounds of inside steel ballast bars seem to
make sense to be revised to be 98 square feet of 1/4" steel plate on
the bottom. And/or, some industrial lead acid batteries doubling as
ballast.
Wasn't Jessie Cooper [AS-25] the first of the "boxy" sharpie
sailboats. Yet, the following designs [AS-19/29/39] all seem to have
been improved by PB&F, while the Jessie Cooper has not been updated.
While [AS-25] seems be perhaps the "just right" size for single
handed live aboard uses. The AS-29 seems too big to sail comfortably
alone, and the AS-19 is too small for living aboard.
What other designs of PB&F are intended for single-handed living
aboard?
I intend to live aboard the Chebacco that I am building, for at least
several months. However, I am sure that was not Mr. Bolger's intent.
I am modifying the cabin to make the space a bit more "liveable".
Paul
aboard?
I intend to live aboard the Chebacco that I am building, for at least
several months. However, I am sure that was not Mr. Bolger's intent.
I am modifying the cabin to make the space a bit more "liveable".
Paul
> As an aside: Jessie Cooper, in essence, is the AS25 edition of histhis
> advanced sharpie line. Still, I am unaware of a PB&F update to
> design to include pivoting leeboards and dual rudders with bottomappears
> plates, as seems to be his tendency of late. Such an update
> obvious, but when?I was wondering whether it would be possible to get an on-center mast
tablernacle by using an A-frame sort of construction at bulkhead #2.
Access to the head would be under the "A". I can't decide if it's
possible without the "A" displacing the boom.
I think Shady Lady is a home for one. She's a far cry from Jessie.
Solution 48 was for a single man, I think. There was a Small Boat
Journal cartoon for a Singlehanded liveaboard that was very similar
to Merlin, ex-Marina Cruiser; the interior was very different.
SuperBrick? Of course, Alert, ex-Manatee, has been the home of a
single sailor.
Peter
A "sub-catagory" of Bolger sailboat designs are intended for single-
handed live aboards. Three designs come to mind immediately, Jessie
Cooper, "Leeboard Catboat" of Ch.67 of BWAOM, and of course
Resolution.
What other designs of PB&F are intended for single-handed living
aboard?
As an aside: Jessie Cooper, in essence, is the AS25 edition of his
advanced sharpie line. Still, I am unaware of a PB&F update to this
design to include pivoting leeboards and dual rudders with bottom
plates, as seems to be his tendency of late. Such an update appears
obvious, but when?
handed live aboards. Three designs come to mind immediately, Jessie
Cooper, "Leeboard Catboat" of Ch.67 of BWAOM, and of course
Resolution.
What other designs of PB&F are intended for single-handed living
aboard?
As an aside: Jessie Cooper, in essence, is the AS25 edition of his
advanced sharpie line. Still, I am unaware of a PB&F update to this
design to include pivoting leeboards and dual rudders with bottom
plates, as seems to be his tendency of late. Such an update appears
obvious, but when?