Re: [bolger] Re: Best tender for catamaran
I am with Bruce on this, Crystal would be a good choice. Defender 11'
and Spur 2 15' or so would all be good choices. These were all designed
to be tenders, and to row well. Mr. Bolger constantly reiterates that a
good rowing boat does not make a good sail boat. On a 60' Cat you have
enough room for more than one tender so you could have a working tender
as well as a sailing dinghy or two.
HJ
brucehector wrote:
and Spur 2 15' or so would all be good choices. These were all designed
to be tenders, and to row well. Mr. Bolger constantly reiterates that a
good rowing boat does not make a good sail boat. On a 60' Cat you have
enough room for more than one tender so you could have a working tender
as well as a sailing dinghy or two.
HJ
brucehector wrote:
>
> If you like Gypsy but want a lot more sea worthyness, I'd reccomend
> his "Crystal" design. Vey similar lines and length to Gypsy, but
> fully compartmentalized (is that a word?) to lifeboat standards. It
> was in MAID a while back with photos of it in heavy surf. Built as
> designed she'd be truly unsinkable.
> Bruce Hector
>
>
I'm assuming that with a 60' cat you will be cruising and anchoring
out a lot.
I lived aboard and cruised on a couple catamarans for 13 years and
went through a lot of tenders. We lived at anchor for all but 4
months. We had at varioius times, a Nymph, Teal, Dolphin, Tortoise,
Skimmer, a canoe, a few kayaks, including folders, a couple
outrigger canoes, a 10' sailboat, and a few prams. For liveaboard
cruising duties I think the June Bug type would suit best as the
main tender. I had one similar that I designed myself. It was 16'
long, double-ended, had a 36" flat bottom, 12" sides, and enough
flare in the middle to make it 42" beam at the gunwale, plumb bows,
no rocker, the ends were identical, no skeg. The lack of rocker
allowed it to track well without a skeg There were 4' end decks
enclosing foam and dry storage, and served as seats and a step up to
a high sided boat. The "cockpit" area was 8' and the bulkheads at
the end of it were sloped for comfortable sitting on a life
preserver cusion of low seat. The initial stability is what I
think is the most important consideration for a boat that is going
to get climbed in and out of on a daily basis, and then you will be
carrying groceries, water and fuel jugs perhaps, etc. and lifting
them onto the mothership. You need a boat that you can stand up in
in a chop with your cat perhaps swinging at anchor, and lift a 40
lb. jug of water on board without falling in. It is important to be
able to stand near the side of the tender, which is why you don't
want a design that is too "tender" ;-) This boat rowed well too,
with 7' oars and a sliding seat made with skateboard wheels. We
could also stand up and paddle it canoe style with an oar (when the
seats were wet from rain), This was our best "workhorse" tender.
With 4 people on board We always carried 2 or 3 tenders and
funboats . If you have the space it is a good way to go. Sometimes
a small boat can fit inside a bigger one. You may be dragging your
tender up long beaches so I wouldn't go over 70 lbs, which was about
what this one weighed. Two people could carry it easily.
We had that tender in the 80's. I recently built another similar
16'er for a tender to a 30' trimaran, but made the sides and the
bow and stern a little higher and the bottom narrower, more flare,
and more rocker. Not sure it really is an improvement though--it
doesn't track well and needs a skeg. 12" sides seem low but with
everyone sitting in the bottom it could row well into strong wind
and hardly ever took a splash over the side.
Hope this helps
Gary Lepak
Port Angeles, WA
out a lot.
I lived aboard and cruised on a couple catamarans for 13 years and
went through a lot of tenders. We lived at anchor for all but 4
months. We had at varioius times, a Nymph, Teal, Dolphin, Tortoise,
Skimmer, a canoe, a few kayaks, including folders, a couple
outrigger canoes, a 10' sailboat, and a few prams. For liveaboard
cruising duties I think the June Bug type would suit best as the
main tender. I had one similar that I designed myself. It was 16'
long, double-ended, had a 36" flat bottom, 12" sides, and enough
flare in the middle to make it 42" beam at the gunwale, plumb bows,
no rocker, the ends were identical, no skeg. The lack of rocker
allowed it to track well without a skeg There were 4' end decks
enclosing foam and dry storage, and served as seats and a step up to
a high sided boat. The "cockpit" area was 8' and the bulkheads at
the end of it were sloped for comfortable sitting on a life
preserver cusion of low seat. The initial stability is what I
think is the most important consideration for a boat that is going
to get climbed in and out of on a daily basis, and then you will be
carrying groceries, water and fuel jugs perhaps, etc. and lifting
them onto the mothership. You need a boat that you can stand up in
in a chop with your cat perhaps swinging at anchor, and lift a 40
lb. jug of water on board without falling in. It is important to be
able to stand near the side of the tender, which is why you don't
want a design that is too "tender" ;-) This boat rowed well too,
with 7' oars and a sliding seat made with skateboard wheels. We
could also stand up and paddle it canoe style with an oar (when the
seats were wet from rain), This was our best "workhorse" tender.
With 4 people on board We always carried 2 or 3 tenders and
funboats . If you have the space it is a good way to go. Sometimes
a small boat can fit inside a bigger one. You may be dragging your
tender up long beaches so I wouldn't go over 70 lbs, which was about
what this one weighed. Two people could carry it easily.
We had that tender in the 80's. I recently built another similar
16'er for a tender to a 30' trimaran, but made the sides and the
bow and stern a little higher and the bottom narrower, more flare,
and more rocker. Not sure it really is an improvement though--it
doesn't track well and needs a skeg. 12" sides seem low but with
everyone sitting in the bottom it could row well into strong wind
and hardly ever took a splash over the side.
Hope this helps
Gary Lepak
Port Angeles, WA
If you like Gypsy but want a lot more sea worthyness, I'd reccomend
his "Crystal" design. Vey similar lines and length to Gypsy, but
fully compartmentalized (is that a word?) to lifeboat standards. It
was in MAID a while back with photos of it in heavy surf. Built as
designed she'd be truly unsinkable.
Bruce Hector
his "Crystal" design. Vey similar lines and length to Gypsy, but
fully compartmentalized (is that a word?) to lifeboat standards. It
was in MAID a while back with photos of it in heavy surf. Built as
designed she'd be truly unsinkable.
Bruce Hector
GLG????
--- In bolger@y..., "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
> I wish you would do this more regularly, it would save me a lot of
> unecesary effort, and occasional criticism.
>
>
> -- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@m...> wrote:
> > GLG????????
> > as long as I am complaining about acronyms, I deleted a lot of
html
> > garbage off the end of this message.
> > --- In bolger@y..., thomas dalzell <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
> > snip
> > > etc...) But I would be tempted by a long good rowing
> > > boat like the GLG.
I wish you would do this more regularly, it would save me a lot of
unecesary effort, and occasional criticism.
-- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@m...> wrote:
unecesary effort, and occasional criticism.
-- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@m...> wrote:
> GLG????????
> as long as I am complaining about acronyms, I deleted a lot of html
> garbage off the end of this message.
> --- In bolger@y..., thomas dalzell <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
> snip
> > etc...) But I would be tempted by a long good rowing
> > boat like the GLG.
I've heard good reports about using Cartopper for a tender. More
seaworthy than Gypsy and lots of open space due to its lack of
thwarts and frames.
seaworthy than Gypsy and lots of open space due to its lack of
thwarts and frames.
--- In bolger@y..., "b_rodwell2002" <b_rodwell@h...> wrote:
> I am planning a fairly large (60') cruising catamaran. I need a
> tender but dislike inflatables. I have the luxury of being able to
> store a fairly long tender. I am attracted to the Gypsy. It
appears
> to row well and can also be sailed.
>
> I have some concerns about its performance (rowing and under power)
> in rough water. What are your views? Are their other designs that
> would be more appropriate?
GLG????????
as long as I am complaining about acronyms, I deleted a lot of html
garbage off the end of this message.
as long as I am complaining about acronyms, I deleted a lot of html
garbage off the end of this message.
--- In bolger@y..., thomas dalzell <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
snip
> etc...) But I would be tempted by a long good rowing
> boat like the GLG.
Bolger built June Bug so that he wouldn't have to step
out so far to get into a stable part of a boat a he
had had to with his Glouchester Light Gull design. On
a Catamaran you have unique options for boarding, with
the tender directly beneth the cross beam bording
ladder. This means you could load directly down into
a boat (though you would face the same kind of
problems gettin up seawall ladders when in ports
etc...) But I would be tempted by a long good rowing
boat like the GLG.
Famous Multihuller Phil Weld who once had to wait out
a capsize mid Atlantic became a devotee of a simmilar
kind of pulling boat instead of an inflatible. I
think his was a sort of whaleboat. I think he figured
it was more capable than an inflatible, he can be seen
on the American Challenge tape telling others very
briefly about his choice. I think he also talks about
it in his book Moxie.
. I believe someone mentioned June Bug on this <BR>
list recently as Mr. Bolger's prejudice for a
tender.<BR>
<BR>
Cheers,<BR>
<BR>
Paul<BR>
<BR>
(Who is redesigning his pintles as he types.)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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out so far to get into a stable part of a boat a he
had had to with his Glouchester Light Gull design. On
a Catamaran you have unique options for boarding, with
the tender directly beneth the cross beam bording
ladder. This means you could load directly down into
a boat (though you would face the same kind of
problems gettin up seawall ladders when in ports
etc...) But I would be tempted by a long good rowing
boat like the GLG.
Famous Multihuller Phil Weld who once had to wait out
a capsize mid Atlantic became a devotee of a simmilar
kind of pulling boat instead of an inflatible. I
think his was a sort of whaleboat. I think he figured
it was more capable than an inflatible, he can be seen
on the American Challenge tape telling others very
briefly about his choice. I think he also talks about
it in his book Moxie.
. I believe someone mentioned June Bug on this <BR>
list recently as Mr. Bolger's prejudice for a
tender.<BR>
<BR>
Cheers,<BR>
<BR>
Paul<BR>
<BR>
(Who is redesigning his pintles as he types.)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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--- In bolger@y..., "b_rodwell2002" <b_rodwell@h...> wrote:
could barely make headway and the flat bottom forward pounded in the
chop.
stepping in and out a little dicey.
will probably build something shorter, at least as wide, and with
more initial stability. I believe someone mentioned June Bug on this
list recently as Mr. Bolger's prejudice for a tender.
Cheers,
Paul
(Who is redesigning his pintles as he types.)
> I am planning a fairly large (60') cruising catamaran. I need aI just built a Gypsy and it does row well and sail well, however,
> tender but dislike inflatables. I have the luxury of being able to
> store a fairly long tender. I am attracted to the Gypsy. It
> appears to row well and can also be sailed.
> I have some concerns about its performance (rowing and under power)Yesterday my upper pintle broke and I had to row into a force 4 wind -
> in rough water.
could barely make headway and the flat bottom forward pounded in the
chop.
> What are your views?The other issue is that the Gypsy is initially quite tender - makes
stepping in and out a little dicey.
> Are their other designs thatI am going to be building a tender for my new boat (Chebacco) and
> would be more appropriate?
will probably build something shorter, at least as wide, and with
more initial stability. I believe someone mentioned June Bug on this
list recently as Mr. Bolger's prejudice for a tender.
Cheers,
Paul
(Who is redesigning his pintles as he types.)
I am planning a fairly large (60') cruising catamaran. I need a
tender but dislike inflatables. I have the luxury of being able to
store a fairly long tender. I am attracted to the Gypsy. It appears
to row well and can also be sailed.
I have some concerns about its performance (rowing and under power)
in rough water. What are your views? Are their other designs that
would be more appropriate?
tender but dislike inflatables. I have the luxury of being able to
store a fairly long tender. I am attracted to the Gypsy. It appears
to row well and can also be sailed.
I have some concerns about its performance (rowing and under power)
in rough water. What are your views? Are their other designs that
would be more appropriate?
A non-Bolger design, but have you considered the Shellback Dinghy from
WoodenBoat? I sailed one at WoodenBoat school. Very nice boat. Rows well.
Charlie
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WoodenBoat? I sailed one at WoodenBoat school. Very nice boat. Rows well.
Charlie
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>From: "b_rodwell2002" <b_rodwell@...>
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Best tender for catamaran
>Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 07:02:46 -0000
>
> I am planning a fairly large (60') cruising catamaran. I need a
> tender but dislike inflatables. I have the luxury of being able to
> store a fairly long tender. I am attracted to the Gypsy. It appears
> to row well and can also be sailed.
>
> I have some concerns about its performance (rowing and under power)
> in rough water. What are your views? Are their other designs that
> would be more appropriate?
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
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> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
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