Re: [bolger] 15 years of Nymph
Yes, that's how I do it anyway. If using nails, dimple the head down, if
using screws run them into the panel slightly so they can be covered with
epoxy and sanded. Same as one would do with sheet rock. And like sheet
rock, try not to let the fastener heads break through the fiberglass.
If you trust the epoxy joint, remove the fasteners and fill the holes.
I use a mixture of micro balloons and epoxy in a consistance like peanut
butter as a filler. It's much easier to sand smooth.
Jeff
using screws run them into the panel slightly so they can be covered with
epoxy and sanded. Same as one would do with sheet rock. And like sheet
rock, try not to let the fastener heads break through the fiberglass.
If you trust the epoxy joint, remove the fasteners and fill the holes.
I use a mixture of micro balloons and epoxy in a consistance like peanut
butter as a filler. It's much easier to sand smooth.
Jeff
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From: "Nickerson, Bruce " <nickerb@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 1:14 PM
Subject: RE: [bolger] 15 years of Nymph
> With all the talk here about preglassing and epoxying ply before assembly,
> what does one do about puncturing this nice skin with fasteners during
> assembly process? Seal after assembly with more epoxy?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dnjost [mailto:djost@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:54 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] 15 years of Nymph
>
>
> Group,
> Yesterday, I met a man who purchased the first boat I had
> built. This was a Bolger Nymph that was constructed of 1/4" AC ply
> sheathed in 6 oz glass set in polyester resin.
> With all the discussion about what wood to use, fabric choice,
> resin systems, I thought it interesting that this boat is now 15
> years old and still going strong! The gunwales have been replaced,
> as well as the skeg, but it is still offering a happy Dad some time
> on the water with his kids.
> I guess that my Micro built of Marine ply sheathed with glass set
> in epoxy is overbuilt. Perhaps money down the drain. Oh well.
>
> David Jost
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With all the talk here about preglassing and epoxying ply before assembly,
what does one do about puncturing this nice skin with fasteners during
assembly process? Seal after assembly with more epoxy?
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From: dnjost [mailto:djost@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:54 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] 15 years of Nymph
Group,
Yesterday, I met a man who purchased the first boat I had
built. This was a Bolger Nymph that was constructed of 1/4" AC ply
sheathed in 6 oz glass set in polyester resin.
With all the discussion about what wood to use, fabric choice,
resin systems, I thought it interesting that this boat is now 15
years old and still going strong! The gunwales have been replaced,
as well as the skeg, but it is still offering a happy Dad some time
on the water with his kids.
I guess that my Micro built of Marine ply sheathed with glass set
in epoxy is overbuilt. Perhaps money down the drain. Oh well.
David Jost
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what does one do about puncturing this nice skin with fasteners during
assembly process? Seal after assembly with more epoxy?
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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:54 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] 15 years of Nymph
Group,
Yesterday, I met a man who purchased the first boat I had
built. This was a Bolger Nymph that was constructed of 1/4" AC ply
sheathed in 6 oz glass set in polyester resin.
With all the discussion about what wood to use, fabric choice,
resin systems, I thought it interesting that this boat is now 15
years old and still going strong! The gunwales have been replaced,
as well as the skeg, but it is still offering a happy Dad some time
on the water with his kids.
I guess that my Micro built of Marine ply sheathed with glass set
in epoxy is overbuilt. Perhaps money down the drain. Oh well.
David Jost
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David,
What a remarkably happy occurrence for you to have! It certainly
is a noteworthy testament to all involved in the care of your first
venture with creating a handcrafted object that it continues to give
pleasure(as if a boat can do anything less then provide pleasure ;-)
I would dearly love to see my first boat(a Surf) today.In a
perfect world,I would be allowed to spend time with her while the new
owner kept busy elsewhere.I suppose my approach would begin much like
a person who suddenly crosses paths with an old flame.There would be
quick,nervous,almost casual,glances at her followed by more intense
inspection of favorite parts.Once the initial shock of meeting her had
passed,I would then gently caress her hull sides with my finger
tips,half hoping to decipher some secret language in her fibers.Maybe
some sign that she can remember me.Having walked her length a few
times,I think I would soon find myself on my knees,inspecting her with
greater attention,while trying to recall all the little errors I coped
with so long ago.Sneaking a nervous glance behind me,I would then bend
even closer and draw her essences slowly in through my nose,so as to
call back those many rapidly receeding memories of grand times and
great adventures past.With eyes shut tight,she and I would once again
be dancing on the gold dappled waters of younger days off to parts yet
unknown.
Sadly,my private party of one would get interrupted by the owners
return.Not wishing to appear too much the nut I really am,I would
plant a hurried kiss into the palm of my hand and rest it on her proud
cutwater while secretly saying"thank you,ELLENGAEST,for the memories!"
I truely hope you did no less for your Nymph,David and that the
little time capsule you are now so close to finishing(Micro aka
FIREFLY) will indeed be a reflection of this time in your life.She
will be like a sponge,soaking up untold hours worth of memories for
you and others to richly savour long after she has passed onto other
caring hands.Live it like it's your last!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,just feeling a bit nostalgic,please excuse me,from the
shores of the St.Lawrence.................
What a remarkably happy occurrence for you to have! It certainly
is a noteworthy testament to all involved in the care of your first
venture with creating a handcrafted object that it continues to give
pleasure(as if a boat can do anything less then provide pleasure ;-)
I would dearly love to see my first boat(a Surf) today.In a
perfect world,I would be allowed to spend time with her while the new
owner kept busy elsewhere.I suppose my approach would begin much like
a person who suddenly crosses paths with an old flame.There would be
quick,nervous,almost casual,glances at her followed by more intense
inspection of favorite parts.Once the initial shock of meeting her had
passed,I would then gently caress her hull sides with my finger
tips,half hoping to decipher some secret language in her fibers.Maybe
some sign that she can remember me.Having walked her length a few
times,I think I would soon find myself on my knees,inspecting her with
greater attention,while trying to recall all the little errors I coped
with so long ago.Sneaking a nervous glance behind me,I would then bend
even closer and draw her essences slowly in through my nose,so as to
call back those many rapidly receeding memories of grand times and
great adventures past.With eyes shut tight,she and I would once again
be dancing on the gold dappled waters of younger days off to parts yet
unknown.
Sadly,my private party of one would get interrupted by the owners
return.Not wishing to appear too much the nut I really am,I would
plant a hurried kiss into the palm of my hand and rest it on her proud
cutwater while secretly saying"thank you,ELLENGAEST,for the memories!"
I truely hope you did no less for your Nymph,David and that the
little time capsule you are now so close to finishing(Micro aka
FIREFLY) will indeed be a reflection of this time in your life.She
will be like a sponge,soaking up untold hours worth of memories for
you and others to richly savour long after she has passed onto other
caring hands.Live it like it's your last!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,just feeling a bit nostalgic,please excuse me,from the
shores of the St.Lawrence.................
--- In bolger@y..., "dnjost" <djost@m...> wrote:
> Group,
> Yesterday, I met a man who purchased the first boat I had
> built.
>
> David Jost
--- prthober
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"One of the problems about these online groups is that what we are
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Sure I was stating the vices of the virtues.
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mostly sharing is personal experience." <snip>
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Just to be clear I wasn't implying you didn't know
about your materials. Or were a monkey. I think I
was refering to some newbie posts on the canoe group
re materials, and the monkey thing, what i was
suggesting was that none of us would find a slavish
recapitulation of the right and proper way all that
interesting. It is interesting to divert from the
"right way (ways)", and that is where I have seen
failures, while trying new stuff. It is a learning
experience. But we shouldn't worry that we are
wasting money when we do an epoxy plater either. Sure
there are individual cost benifit issues. On the
other hand, if we get too far down the intensly
personal decision making situational, we are by
definition leaving behind a lot of people who don't
live on desert islands, have lots of free weeks, no
money, yatta, yatta.
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I guess I will admit to a penchant for bananas and
scratching my arm <BR>
pits. But let's face it, this boat only cost
around $150 to build, <BR>
total! I think other factors that needs to be
included:<BR>
1. is this a disposable boat? <BR>
2. Would the benefits of traditional
construction or the use of <BR>
epoxy with marine grade ply be more cost effective in
the long run. <BR>
3. Is the boat too big to be rebuilt
easily? Nymph, certainly not. <BR>
One week of scratch and itch, and you have another
one. Something I <BR>
am thinking of doing, or perhaps a tortoise.
Micro is another story, <BR>
I have no plans to build another one. This one
has taken long <BR>
enough. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I have seen failure of systems: bondo/fiberglass
window screening as <BR>
fillets (works for about a year), luan delamination
(be careful of <BR>
those inner plys), marine ply that delaminated, cloth
set in <BR>
polyester resin that peels (wrong application for
problem), etc...<BR>
<BR>
I have had good results with epoxy and cloth on
Diablo. Pointy Skiff <BR>
had no sheathing, interesting enough I am now
grinding off the paint <BR>
and sheathing it where the ply is getting to be in
poor shape. <BR>
eventually this boat will be two (one inside the
other). <BR>
<BR>
Happy building<BR>
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about your materials. Or were a monkey. I think I
was refering to some newbie posts on the canoe group
re materials, and the monkey thing, what i was
suggesting was that none of us would find a slavish
recapitulation of the right and proper way all that
interesting. It is interesting to divert from the
"right way (ways)", and that is where I have seen
failures, while trying new stuff. It is a learning
experience. But we shouldn't worry that we are
wasting money when we do an epoxy plater either. Sure
there are individual cost benifit issues. On the
other hand, if we get too far down the intensly
personal decision making situational, we are by
definition leaving behind a lot of people who don't
live on desert islands, have lots of free weeks, no
money, yatta, yatta.
--- dnjost <djost@...> wrote:
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<tt>
I guess I will admit to a penchant for bananas and
scratching my arm <BR>
pits. But let's face it, this boat only cost
around $150 to build, <BR>
total! I think other factors that needs to be
included:<BR>
1. is this a disposable boat? <BR>
2. Would the benefits of traditional
construction or the use of <BR>
epoxy with marine grade ply be more cost effective in
the long run. <BR>
3. Is the boat too big to be rebuilt
easily? Nymph, certainly not. <BR>
One week of scratch and itch, and you have another
one. Something I <BR>
am thinking of doing, or perhaps a tortoise.
Micro is another story, <BR>
I have no plans to build another one. This one
has taken long <BR>
enough. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I have seen failure of systems: bondo/fiberglass
window screening as <BR>
fillets (works for about a year), luan delamination
(be careful of <BR>
those inner plys), marine ply that delaminated, cloth
set in <BR>
polyester resin that peels (wrong application for
problem), etc...<BR>
<BR>
I have had good results with epoxy and cloth on
Diablo. Pointy Skiff <BR>
had no sheathing, interesting enough I am now
grinding off the paint <BR>
and sheathing it where the ply is getting to be in
poor shape. <BR>
eventually this boat will be two (one inside the
other). <BR>
<BR>
Happy building<BR>
David jOst<BR>
> Its understandable. Any monkey can followthe<BR>
> instructions, and we wouldn't have much to talkabout<BR>
> if we didn't swap our various stories ofsuccesses<BR>
> with lowballing standards, particularly on thisboard.<BR>
> At the same time I think a better qualityof<BR>
> materials will eventualy pay off. I amleary of<BR>
> people who have never seen a material failure,because<BR>
> I have, and I know it will happen. In someways it<BR>
> would be more intersting to actualy hear whatdidn't<BR>
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> "...people who have never seen a materialfailure, because I have, <BR>
> and I know it will happen. In some ways itwould be more intersting <BR>
> to actualy hear what didn't work than whatescaped unscathed." <BR>
<snip><BR>
> <BR>horror stories...
> I'm all ears - I, too, would like to hear the
There are lots of examples, but the one that really
opened my eyes where failures in epoxy when making
stressform hulls. As the name implies, with
stressform hulls, there is a stress involved in
folding them up. It isn't all that great however, you
are just bending plywood accross grain through about
60 degrees. Some of the epoxies actualy compressed
like a sponge in a vice. Eastsystem, and a brand from
buffalo, Clarkcraft (that had great UV
surviveability). With a few brands you had to worry
about whether they would force a dent in the plywood,
they were so strong. It made me realize that simple
tests early on were worth it. One interesting thing
was that Clarkcraft got harder about a year after use,
still not great.
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>If it makes any difference, when I ask Phil Bolger if I could use ACX on the
> Must disagree! I bet he leaves that off because he knows everyone will
> use what they want to anyway!
Wyoming, his response was simple.
" Do as you wish but with the amount of work there is to build the Wyoming,
it seems the prudent thing to do is use best quality of materials one can
afford. If you do use ACX, a liberal use of a preservative is recommended,
also find and fill the interior voids to help prevent premature rot."
I only assume the "preservative" he mentions is epoxy but there are other
ways.
Jeff
Jeff
see below
--- In bolger@y..., "prthober" <prthober@p...> wrote:
snip
> to substitute marine plywood that costs five times as much is to not
> only throw your money away but also to make a statement as to the
> integrity of the designer. None of the sets of Mr. Bolger's plans
> that I have bought is there any reference to the type of plywood
> other than the thickness.
Must disagree! I bet he leaves that off because he knows everyone will
use what they want to anyway! People want different things and have
different budgets and needs. Bill Gates would be crazy to use ACX. A
guy stuck on an island would be crazy not to use whatever he had.
Someone else might want to use a motorcycle crate because it's
amusing. (I've seen this.) I may want to use ocume because I want to
throw a boat on top of my car. Ocoume is probably a lot cheaper than
even a free trailer when you throw in the hassle, registration,
insurance, etc. (Hyupothetical next project)Of course an extra note
from the designer about suitable materials is always good.
>
> "...people who have never seen a material failure, because I have,
> and I know it will happen. In some ways it would be more intersting
> to actualy hear what didn't work than what escaped unscathed."
<snip>
>
> I'm all ears - I, too, would like to hear the horror stories...
> please elaborate...
>
Two layers of luan with lengthwise grain is lousy for a daggerboard if
you're going to hit anything! (Surface plies too thin.) Also, if you
have an old boat made from varnished luan, don't let even a LITTLE
snow get into it. Store it upside down. Lots of little delaminations
announced by leaks that would get a little better as the wood swelled.
"One of the problems about these online groups is that what we are
mostly sharing is personal experience." <snip>
One of the advantages of these online groups is that what we are
sharing are mostly personal experiences.
"At the same time I think a better quality of materials will
eventualy pay off." <snip>
Maybe and maybe not. I think it is a matter of selecting materials
that are adequate for the design and expectations of what the boat
will be able to do. I don't know this as a fact, but I believe many
of Mr. Bolger's designs were intended to be built with ACX plywood -
to substitute marine plywood that costs five times as much is to not
only throw your money away but also to make a statement as to the
integrity of the designer. None of the sets of Mr. Bolger's plans
that I have bought is there any reference to the type of plywood
other than the thickness.
"...people who have never seen a material failure, because I have,
and I know it will happen. In some ways it would be more intersting
to actualy hear what didn't work than what escaped unscathed." <snip>
I'm all ears - I, too, would like to hear the horror stories...
please elaborate...
Cheers,
Paul
mostly sharing is personal experience." <snip>
One of the advantages of these online groups is that what we are
sharing are mostly personal experiences.
"At the same time I think a better quality of materials will
eventualy pay off." <snip>
Maybe and maybe not. I think it is a matter of selecting materials
that are adequate for the design and expectations of what the boat
will be able to do. I don't know this as a fact, but I believe many
of Mr. Bolger's designs were intended to be built with ACX plywood -
to substitute marine plywood that costs five times as much is to not
only throw your money away but also to make a statement as to the
integrity of the designer. None of the sets of Mr. Bolger's plans
that I have bought is there any reference to the type of plywood
other than the thickness.
"...people who have never seen a material failure, because I have,
and I know it will happen. In some ways it would be more intersting
to actualy hear what didn't work than what escaped unscathed." <snip>
I'm all ears - I, too, would like to hear the horror stories...
please elaborate...
Cheers,
Paul
I guess I will admit to a penchant for bananas and scratching my arm
pits. But let's face it, this boat only cost around $150 to build,
total! I think other factors that needs to be included:
1. is this a disposable boat?
2. Would the benefits of traditional construction or the use of
epoxy with marine grade ply be more cost effective in the long run.
3. Is the boat too big to be rebuilt easily? Nymph, certainly not.
One week of scratch and itch, and you have another one. Something I
am thinking of doing, or perhaps a tortoise. Micro is another story,
I have no plans to build another one. This one has taken long
enough.
I have seen failure of systems: bondo/fiberglass window screening as
fillets (works for about a year), luan delamination (be careful of
those inner plys), marine ply that delaminated, cloth set in
polyester resin that peels (wrong application for problem), etc...
I have had good results with epoxy and cloth on Diablo. Pointy Skiff
had no sheathing, interesting enough I am now grinding off the paint
and sheathing it where the ply is getting to be in poor shape.
eventually this boat will be two (one inside the other).
Happy building
David jOst
pits. But let's face it, this boat only cost around $150 to build,
total! I think other factors that needs to be included:
1. is this a disposable boat?
2. Would the benefits of traditional construction or the use of
epoxy with marine grade ply be more cost effective in the long run.
3. Is the boat too big to be rebuilt easily? Nymph, certainly not.
One week of scratch and itch, and you have another one. Something I
am thinking of doing, or perhaps a tortoise. Micro is another story,
I have no plans to build another one. This one has taken long
enough.
I have seen failure of systems: bondo/fiberglass window screening as
fillets (works for about a year), luan delamination (be careful of
those inner plys), marine ply that delaminated, cloth set in
polyester resin that peels (wrong application for problem), etc...
I have had good results with epoxy and cloth on Diablo. Pointy Skiff
had no sheathing, interesting enough I am now grinding off the paint
and sheathing it where the ply is getting to be in poor shape.
eventually this boat will be two (one inside the other).
Happy building
David jOst
> Its understandable. Any monkey can follow the______________________________________________________________________
> instructions, and we wouldn't have much to talk about
> if we didn't swap our various stories of successes
> with lowballing standards, particularly on this board.
> At the same time I think a better quality of
> materials will eventualy pay off. I am leary of
> people who have never seen a material failure, because
> I have, and I know it will happen. In some ways it
> would be more intersting to actualy hear what didn't
> work than what escaped unscathed.
>
>
> Find, Connect, Date!http://personals.yahoo.ca
I don't really agree. One of the problems about these
online groups is that what we are mostly sharing is
personal experience. Personal experience is good for
what it is, a statement of one data point. If you
built a plane to say 2Gs, and flew it every day for
one hundred years, and the wings always stayed on,
well that tells us something. It sure won't tell the
person who first manouvers it above that limit what
they needed to know. There is a difference betweeen
something that hangs in there in all reasonble
circumstances, and something that survives one set of
softball conditions
Over on one of the stripper canoe boards that I drop
in on, people are constantly reporting they "built her
with Acme epoxy, and it turnned out great". A comment
not unlike claiming the durability of a brand of house
paint bassed on how easily it went on.
Its understandable. Any monkey can follow the
instructions, and we wouldn't have much to talk about
if we didn't swap our various stories of successes
with lowballing standards, particularly on this board.
At the same time I think a better quality of
materials will eventualy pay off. I am leary of
people who have never seen a material failure, because
I have, and I know it will happen. In some ways it
would be more intersting to actualy hear what didn't
work than what escaped unscathed.
______________________________________________________________________
Find, Connect, Date!http://personals.yahoo.ca
online groups is that what we are mostly sharing is
personal experience. Personal experience is good for
what it is, a statement of one data point. If you
built a plane to say 2Gs, and flew it every day for
one hundred years, and the wings always stayed on,
well that tells us something. It sure won't tell the
person who first manouvers it above that limit what
they needed to know. There is a difference betweeen
something that hangs in there in all reasonble
circumstances, and something that survives one set of
softball conditions
Over on one of the stripper canoe boards that I drop
in on, people are constantly reporting they "built her
with Acme epoxy, and it turnned out great". A comment
not unlike claiming the durability of a brand of house
paint bassed on how easily it went on.
Its understandable. Any monkey can follow the
instructions, and we wouldn't have much to talk about
if we didn't swap our various stories of successes
with lowballing standards, particularly on this board.
At the same time I think a better quality of
materials will eventualy pay off. I am leary of
people who have never seen a material failure, because
I have, and I know it will happen. In some ways it
would be more intersting to actualy hear what didn't
work than what escaped unscathed.
______________________________________________________________________
Find, Connect, Date!http://personals.yahoo.ca
Group,
Yesterday, I met a man who purchased the first boat I had
built. This was a Bolger Nymph that was constructed of 1/4" AC ply
sheathed in 6 oz glass set in polyester resin.
With all the discussion about what wood to use, fabric choice,
resin systems, I thought it interesting that this boat is now 15
years old and still going strong! The gunwales have been replaced,
as well as the skeg, but it is still offering a happy Dad some time
on the water with his kids.
I guess that my Micro built of Marine ply sheathed with glass set
in epoxy is overbuilt. Perhaps money down the drain. Oh well.
David Jost
Yesterday, I met a man who purchased the first boat I had
built. This was a Bolger Nymph that was constructed of 1/4" AC ply
sheathed in 6 oz glass set in polyester resin.
With all the discussion about what wood to use, fabric choice,
resin systems, I thought it interesting that this boat is now 15
years old and still going strong! The gunwales have been replaced,
as well as the skeg, but it is still offering a happy Dad some time
on the water with his kids.
I guess that my Micro built of Marine ply sheathed with glass set
in epoxy is overbuilt. Perhaps money down the drain. Oh well.
David Jost