[bolger] Re: On Schooners, single-handed that is
Interesting idea. Kind of a progressive boat building party. Something
like that is what I have in mind to deal with the issues my current spouse
will raise about having two boats. Don't seem to understand the need. My
plan is to quietly build the bulkheads, cut the sides, build the rudder and
centerboard (pouring the lead will wait). 'My side' of the garage is
cluttered enough that I can pretty much hide this stuff. Then, some
Saturday when she's at the mall shopping (usually takes about 6 hours and
several hundred dollars), I will assemble it and she will be presented with
a fait accompli when she returns. Of course there will be adverse
consequences but the boat will be a fact!!!!
like that is what I have in mind to deal with the issues my current spouse
will raise about having two boats. Don't seem to understand the need. My
plan is to quietly build the bulkheads, cut the sides, build the rudder and
centerboard (pouring the lead will wait). 'My side' of the garage is
cluttered enough that I can pretty much hide this stuff. Then, some
Saturday when she's at the mall shopping (usually takes about 6 hours and
several hundred dollars), I will assemble it and she will be presented with
a fait accompli when she returns. Of course there will be adverse
consequences but the boat will be a fact!!!!
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> From: Seth Macinko [SMTP:macinkos@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 6:51 PM
> To:bolger@...
> Subject: [bolger] On Schooners, single-handed that is
>
>
>
> All this light scooner vs folding schooner and now the hint of the
> newest schooner model from PCB&F is fascinating (GHC, I think I read
> somewhere that PCB&F estimated that the stripped hull of a FS built
> light would be in the 400-500 lb range) but. . .
>
> Didn't this thread start out with someone trying to prompt some
> discussion of the single-handed schooner (his and her schooner in
> BWAOM)? How about it, anybody with some first hand knowledge of this
> design? PCB&F? Or, how about Tony Groves, anybody know if he is online?
> Note that in the account of the design commission given in BWAOM,
> Groves mentioned that he had already built a LS so some direct
> comparison between LS and SHS could be available. Also, to my mind,
> one of the really intriguing parts of the design brief was the request
> that the SHS be able enough to make the crossing (26 miles!) to
> Catalina Island. Sounds good to me: schooner fun AND some coastal
> cruising (or however you want to characterize it) ability (any comments
> on that combination from Tim in Aus.?)
>
> On the construction ease/difficulty of SHS, back when I lived in
> Juneau, several of us homebuilder addicts dreamed up a `build a SHS in
> a day party' idea. The idea, spurred on by the straight cut panel sides
> ("table saw lofting"), was that you would farm out the five, or so,
> bulkheads and temporary frames in advance to different guests and ask
> everybody to show up on the appointed day with completed bulkhead in
> hand and then spend the rest of the day putting a table saw and some
> tubes of PL Premium Construction Adhesive to good use. Sadly, we never
> got around to the actual party but it seemed at the time, and still
> does, that you could complete the basic hull in a day even including
> the trunk assemblies (rudder and daggerboard).
>
> Of course, I do have a vested interest in trying to rekindle some
> discussion of the SHS. For some time now, I have been gently suggesting
> to a group of students who are trying to revive a dormant sailing club
> at the university where I teach that they should abandon any ambitious
> fund-raising plans (aimed at procuring a tupperware fleet) and instead
> build 2 or 3 SHSs themselves. Then, they could host the first annual
> intercollegiate schooner championships (nearby Mystic cries out as a
> schooner- appropriate grounds (well except for draft perhaps)) and at
> least for the first year walk away with all the honors unless GHC could
> persuade some schooner collegiates from Oklahoma to attend.
>
> Dreaming of schooners,
>
>
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All this light scooner vs folding schooner and now the hint of the
newest schooner model from PCB&F is fascinating (GHC, I think I read
somewhere that PCB&F estimated that the stripped hull of a FS built
light would be in the 400-500 lb range) but. . .
Didn't this thread start out with someone trying to prompt some
discussion of the single-handed schooner (his and her schooner in
BWAOM)? How about it, anybody with some first hand knowledge of this
design? PCB&F? Or, how about Tony Groves, anybody know if he is online?
Note that in the account of the design commission given in BWAOM,
Groves mentioned that he had already built a LS so some direct
comparison between LS and SHS could be available. Also, to my mind,
one of the really intriguing parts of the design brief was the request
that the SHS be able enough to make the crossing (26 miles!) to
Catalina Island. Sounds good to me: schooner fun AND some coastal
cruising (or however you want to characterize it) ability (any comments
on that combination from Tim in Aus.?)
On the construction ease/difficulty of SHS, back when I lived in
Juneau, several of us homebuilder addicts dreamed up a `build a SHS in
a day party' idea. The idea, spurred on by the straight cut panel sides
("table saw lofting"), was that you would farm out the five, or so,
bulkheads and temporary frames in advance to different guests and ask
everybody to show up on the appointed day with completed bulkhead in
hand and then spend the rest of the day putting a table saw and some
tubes of PL Premium Construction Adhesive to good use. Sadly, we never
got around to the actual party but it seemed at the time, and still
does, that you could complete the basic hull in a day even including
the trunk assemblies (rudder and daggerboard).
Of course, I do have a vested interest in trying to rekindle some
discussion of the SHS. For some time now, I have been gently suggesting
to a group of students who are trying to revive a dormant sailing club
at the university where I teach that they should abandon any ambitious
fund-raising plans (aimed at procuring a tupperware fleet) and instead
build 2 or 3 SHSs themselves. Then, they could host the first annual
intercollegiate schooner championships (nearby Mystic cries out as a
schooner- appropriate grounds (well except for draft perhaps)) and at
least for the first year walk away with all the honors unless GHC could
persuade some schooner collegiates from Oklahoma to attend.
Dreaming of schooners,
newest schooner model from PCB&F is fascinating (GHC, I think I read
somewhere that PCB&F estimated that the stripped hull of a FS built
light would be in the 400-500 lb range) but. . .
Didn't this thread start out with someone trying to prompt some
discussion of the single-handed schooner (his and her schooner in
BWAOM)? How about it, anybody with some first hand knowledge of this
design? PCB&F? Or, how about Tony Groves, anybody know if he is online?
Note that in the account of the design commission given in BWAOM,
Groves mentioned that he had already built a LS so some direct
comparison between LS and SHS could be available. Also, to my mind,
one of the really intriguing parts of the design brief was the request
that the SHS be able enough to make the crossing (26 miles!) to
Catalina Island. Sounds good to me: schooner fun AND some coastal
cruising (or however you want to characterize it) ability (any comments
on that combination from Tim in Aus.?)
On the construction ease/difficulty of SHS, back when I lived in
Juneau, several of us homebuilder addicts dreamed up a `build a SHS in
a day party' idea. The idea, spurred on by the straight cut panel sides
("table saw lofting"), was that you would farm out the five, or so,
bulkheads and temporary frames in advance to different guests and ask
everybody to show up on the appointed day with completed bulkhead in
hand and then spend the rest of the day putting a table saw and some
tubes of PL Premium Construction Adhesive to good use. Sadly, we never
got around to the actual party but it seemed at the time, and still
does, that you could complete the basic hull in a day even including
the trunk assemblies (rudder and daggerboard).
Of course, I do have a vested interest in trying to rekindle some
discussion of the SHS. For some time now, I have been gently suggesting
to a group of students who are trying to revive a dormant sailing club
at the university where I teach that they should abandon any ambitious
fund-raising plans (aimed at procuring a tupperware fleet) and instead
build 2 or 3 SHSs themselves. Then, they could host the first annual
intercollegiate schooner championships (nearby Mystic cries out as a
schooner- appropriate grounds (well except for draft perhaps)) and at
least for the first year walk away with all the honors unless GHC could
persuade some schooner collegiates from Oklahoma to attend.
Dreaming of schooners,