[bolger] Re: capacity for a cartop boat, intro
Thanks for the tip. I'm aware of this boat but somehow I find a Junebug
easier to look at than a Featherwind. Not sure why. I guess the $200
sailboat is awfully close to ideal for my purposes other than that.
Maybe I'll break down..
david beede <juliej-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2081
easier to look at than a Featherwind. Not sure why. I guess the $200
sailboat is awfully close to ideal for my purposes other than that.
Maybe I'll break down..
david beede <juliej-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2081
> You can find the outcome of my pipe dreams at my simplicity boats site
> below. I made Dave Carnell's $200 sailboat - which is his re design of
> Bolgers Featherwind. snip
>
> Lsnip
You can find the outcome of my pipe dreams at my simplicity boats site
below. I made Dave Carnell's $200 sailboat - which is his re design of
Bolgers Featherwind. His site is:
http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/
It's very car topable and has a pretty amazing carying capacity. It's
kind of a flat iron skiff crossed with a dory. Lot's of rocker and raked
stem and transom. I've had 4 adults and 2 dogs in mine and she sailed
nicely. She's designed to take a sunfish rig, but I made a balanced lug
sail a la Michalak, She rows respectably too. Check her out.
Fair winds...
David Beede
Lincoln Ross wrote:
doesn't get a thrill from model planes. Two people in rowboat makes
great date, particualarly when reservoir runs thru middle of town. Only
problem drunken canoeist traffic, but they're funny. Completing Nymph
and Roar II started by others. Nymph is mission of mercy to save bare
hull from outdoor roadside boat stand (I kid you not). Also may become
sail trainer. Maybe chase Nymph with Roar during lessons (I think
they'll nest on car), maybe both get in if water flat. Saved cost of
plywood, but did NOT save much labor (I think) as I had to fix much. My
Roar II is strangely shaped but rows well anyway, not off by more than
1.5" in any given place. Not sure how the bulkheads got that far off
the plans, but starting with someone else's mistakes keeps me from
getting too fancy. Must figure out how to add flotation without adding
much weight. Leaning towards tanks made a la Monfort with fabric
covering. Not an option to leave out after bad experience many years
ago in Oday Sprite in cold water. If you sat in it to bail, gunwhales
went 2' under! Could have croaked if not towed back in. Brrrr!
I'm sort of a mechanical engineer by trade. Design and draw (3d CAD)
sheet metal boxes 10% of time, chase paperwork 90%.
I think there's a possibility of making a boat from scratch sometime;
I've been thinking about the Junebug with different sheer line, maybe
if ambitious a Gypsy, maybe if not ambitious a Mihalak Twixt (or is
that Tween?). Then there's that 2nd sharpie in the Sharpie book.
Function would be cartoppable sailing and rowing (maybe more rowing
than sailing?) Would proably be rare to be singlehanded. I'm trying to
figure out if these boats still sail and row well with 400 pound crew
load and 25 lbs misc. junk. I'm considering other designs too. I can
use hi falutin ply if my finances hold together in the interest of
light weight, since I don't want to buy my chiropractor a giant SUV
(helping my dentist pay for one now). This is all kinda pipe dream
stuff right now, so please answer only if it entertains you. Thanks.
P.S. super simple multihull might be cool, but I don't know that it
would have good displacement without being piglike. If I could put a
trailer somewhere I'd be tempted to get a Hobie. Used Hobies quite the
deal last time I checked.
P.P.S. Is it just me or does the Gypsy in Quito look a little odd? If
that's how they look I don't know if I want one. Seems like too much
flare on middle of sides, transom?
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below. I made Dave Carnell's $200 sailboat - which is his re design of
Bolgers Featherwind. His site is:
http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/
It's very car topable and has a pretty amazing carying capacity. It's
kind of a flat iron skiff crossed with a dory. Lot's of rocker and raked
stem and transom. I've had 4 adults and 2 dogs in mine and she sailed
nicely. She's designed to take a sunfish rig, but I made a balanced lug
sail a la Michalak, She rows respectably too. Check her out.
Fair winds...
David Beede
Lincoln Ross wrote:
>Picked up the boat bug because I still like them and significant other
> Recently joined this list, tho I've been watching it for a while.
doesn't get a thrill from model planes. Two people in rowboat makes
great date, particualarly when reservoir runs thru middle of town. Only
problem drunken canoeist traffic, but they're funny. Completing Nymph
and Roar II started by others. Nymph is mission of mercy to save bare
hull from outdoor roadside boat stand (I kid you not). Also may become
sail trainer. Maybe chase Nymph with Roar during lessons (I think
they'll nest on car), maybe both get in if water flat. Saved cost of
plywood, but did NOT save much labor (I think) as I had to fix much. My
Roar II is strangely shaped but rows well anyway, not off by more than
1.5" in any given place. Not sure how the bulkheads got that far off
the plans, but starting with someone else's mistakes keeps me from
getting too fancy. Must figure out how to add flotation without adding
much weight. Leaning towards tanks made a la Monfort with fabric
covering. Not an option to leave out after bad experience many years
ago in Oday Sprite in cold water. If you sat in it to bail, gunwhales
went 2' under! Could have croaked if not towed back in. Brrrr!
I'm sort of a mechanical engineer by trade. Design and draw (3d CAD)
sheet metal boxes 10% of time, chase paperwork 90%.
I think there's a possibility of making a boat from scratch sometime;
I've been thinking about the Junebug with different sheer line, maybe
if ambitious a Gypsy, maybe if not ambitious a Mihalak Twixt (or is
that Tween?). Then there's that 2nd sharpie in the Sharpie book.
Function would be cartoppable sailing and rowing (maybe more rowing
than sailing?) Would proably be rare to be singlehanded. I'm trying to
figure out if these boats still sail and row well with 400 pound crew
load and 25 lbs misc. junk. I'm considering other designs too. I can
use hi falutin ply if my finances hold together in the interest of
light weight, since I don't want to buy my chiropractor a giant SUV
(helping my dentist pay for one now). This is all kinda pipe dream
stuff right now, so please answer only if it entertains you. Thanks.
P.S. super simple multihull might be cool, but I don't know that it
would have good displacement without being piglike. If I could put a
trailer somewhere I'd be tempted to get a Hobie. Used Hobies quite the
deal last time I checked.
P.P.S. Is it just me or does the Gypsy in Quito look a little odd? If
that's how they look I don't know if I want one. Seems like too much
flare on middle of sides, transom?
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Yes the Quito Gypsy does look odd in the first picture. I think it may just
be the perspective however. I have a Gypsy and it is a very pretty design
in 3D. The Quito Gypsy has a few modifications such as being decked over
from the last bulkhead to the transom and looks like a rub rail has been
added at the chine between the bilge and side panel. Neither of those items
are in the design. I don't think you will be disappointed if you decide to
build Gypsy.
be the perspective however. I have a Gypsy and it is a very pretty design
in 3D. The Quito Gypsy has a few modifications such as being decked over
from the last bulkhead to the transom and looks like a rub rail has been
added at the chine between the bilge and side panel. Neither of those items
are in the design. I don't think you will be disappointed if you decide to
build Gypsy.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lincoln Ross [SMTP:lincolnr@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:57 PM
> To:bolger@...
> Subject: [bolger] capacity for a cartop boat, intro
>
> Recently joined this list, tho I've been watching it for a while.
> Picked up the boat bug because I still like them and significant other
> doesn't get a thrill from model planes. Two people in rowboat makes
> great date, particualarly when reservoir runs thru middle of town. Only
> problem drunken canoeist traffic, but they're funny. Completing Nymph
> and Roar II started by others. Nymph is mission of mercy to save bare
> hull from outdoor roadside boat stand (I kid you not). Also may become
> sail trainer. Maybe chase Nymph with Roar during lessons (I think
> they'll nest on car), maybe both get in if water flat. Saved cost of
> plywood, but did NOT save much labor (I think) as I had to fix much. My
> Roar II is strangely shaped but rows well anyway, not off by more than
> 1.5" in any given place. Not sure how the bulkheads got that far off
> the plans, but starting with someone else's mistakes keeps me from
> getting too fancy. Must figure out how to add flotation without adding
> much weight. Leaning towards tanks made a la Monfort with fabric
> covering. Not an option to leave out after bad experience many years
> ago in Oday Sprite in cold water. If you sat in it to bail, gunwhales
> went 2' under! Could have croaked if not towed back in. Brrrr!
>
> I'm sort of a mechanical engineer by trade. Design and draw (3d CAD)
> sheet metal boxes 10% of time, chase paperwork 90%.
>
> I think there's a possibility of making a boat from scratch sometime;
> I've been thinking about the Junebug with different sheer line, maybe
> if ambitious a Gypsy, maybe if not ambitious a Mihalak Twixt (or is
> that Tween?). Then there's that 2nd sharpie in the Sharpie book.
> Function would be cartoppable sailing and rowing (maybe more rowing
> than sailing?) Would proably be rare to be singlehanded. I'm trying to
> figure out if these boats still sail and row well with 400 pound crew
> load and 25 lbs misc. junk. I'm considering other designs too. I can
> use hi falutin ply if my finances hold together in the interest of
> light weight, since I don't want to buy my chiropractor a giant SUV
> (helping my dentist pay for one now). This is all kinda pipe dream
> stuff right now, so please answer only if it entertains you. Thanks.
>
> P.S. super simple multihull might be cool, but I don't know that it
> would have good displacement without being piglike. If I could put a
> trailer somewhere I'd be tempted to get a Hobie. Used Hobies quite the
> deal last time I checked.
>
> P.P.S. Is it just me or does the Gypsy in Quito look a little odd? If
> that's how they look I don't know if I want one. Seems like too much
> flare on middle of sides, transom?
>
>http://www.instantboats.com/gypsyquito.htm
>
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djost <djos-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2073
The maternal unit had wanted one of those boats that you could get in
instead of on to keep me from getting splashed by the nasty cold water.
I must say the boat had only 2 really big flaws: the diving problem,
and the weight. It would plane very well, and had fine downwind manners
even without a vang. It would get up and plane. One of my favorite
memories is my little brother (10 at the time, maybe) asking me to slow
down after he slid across the bottom due to sharp turn at speed. I once
sailed circles around a big schooner when it was windy enough to plane,
and I could keep up with the Force 5's across the lake in windy
conditions, though they could have used more crew weight. THe boat
could handle surprisingly rough conditions if well handled.
Ok, just to keep on topic I'll ask if there is a Bolger equivalent that
floats.
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2073
> Lincoln,O'Day
> That's very funny. My first sailing experience was also in an
> Sprite at the age of 6 or 7 with my father. Dad attempted to leaveAllen
> Harbor between the powerboat wakes. Not a great idea. I was deathlyboats with
> afraid of sailboats for at least 3 years until someone showed me
> POSITIVE floatation.I think the Sprite was a side project of Electric Boat.
>
> D. jost
>
> Lincoln Ross wrote:
> snip
The maternal unit had wanted one of those boats that you could get in
instead of on to keep me from getting splashed by the nasty cold water.
I must say the boat had only 2 really big flaws: the diving problem,
and the weight. It would plane very well, and had fine downwind manners
even without a vang. It would get up and plane. One of my favorite
memories is my little brother (10 at the time, maybe) asking me to slow
down after he slid across the bottom due to sharp turn at speed. I once
sailed circles around a big schooner when it was windy enough to plane,
and I could keep up with the Force 5's across the lake in windy
conditions, though they could have used more crew weight. THe boat
could handle surprisingly rough conditions if well handled.
Ok, just to keep on topic I'll ask if there is a Bolger equivalent that
floats.
Lincoln,
That's very funny. My first sailing experience was also in an O'Day
Sprite at the age of 6 or 7 with my father. Dad attempted to leave Allen
Harbor between the powerboat wakes. Not a great idea. I was deathly
afraid of sailboats for at least 3 years until someone showed me boats with
POSITIVE floatation.
D. jost
Lincoln Ross wrote:
That's very funny. My first sailing experience was also in an O'Day
Sprite at the age of 6 or 7 with my father. Dad attempted to leave Allen
Harbor between the powerboat wakes. Not a great idea. I was deathly
afraid of sailboats for at least 3 years until someone showed me boats with
POSITIVE floatation.
D. jost
Lincoln Ross wrote:
> Recently joined this list, tho I've been watching it for a while.
> Picked up the boat bug because I still like them and significant other
> doesn't get a thrill from model planes. Two people in rowboat makes
> great date, particualarly when reservoir runs thru middle of town. Only
> problem drunken canoeist traffic, but they're funny. Completing Nymph
> and Roar II started by others. Nymph is mission of mercy to save bare
> hull from outdoor roadside boat stand (I kid you not). Also may become
> sail trainer. Maybe chase Nymph with Roar during lessons (I think
> they'll nest on car), maybe both get in if water flat. Saved cost of
> plywood, but did NOT save much labor (I think) as I had to fix much. My
> Roar II is strangely shaped but rows well anyway, not off by more than
> 1.5" in any given place. Not sure how the bulkheads got that far off
> the plans, but starting with someone else's mistakes keeps me from
> getting too fancy. Must figure out how to add flotation without adding
> much weight. Leaning towards tanks made a la Monfort with fabric
> covering. Not an option to leave out after bad experience many years
> ago in Oday Sprite in cold water. If you sat in it to bail, gunwhales
> went 2' under! Could have croaked if not towed back in. Brrrr!
>
> I'm sort of a mechanical engineer by trade. Design and draw (3d CAD)
> sheet metal boxes 10% of time, chase paperwork 90%.
>
> I think there's a possibility of making a boat from scratch sometime;
> I've been thinking about the Junebug with different sheer line, maybe
> if ambitious a Gypsy, maybe if not ambitious a Mihalak Twixt (or is
> that Tween?). Then there's that 2nd sharpie in the Sharpie book.
> Function would be cartoppable sailing and rowing (maybe more rowing
> than sailing?) Would proably be rare to be singlehanded. I'm trying to
> figure out if these boats still sail and row well with 400 pound crew
> load and 25 lbs misc. junk. I'm considering other designs too. I can
> use hi falutin ply if my finances hold together in the interest of
> light weight, since I don't want to buy my chiropractor a giant SUV
> (helping my dentist pay for one now). This is all kinda pipe dream
> stuff right now, so please answer only if it entertains you. Thanks.
>
> P.S. super simple multihull might be cool, but I don't know that it
> would have good displacement without being piglike. If I could put a
> trailer somewhere I'd be tempted to get a Hobie. Used Hobies quite the
> deal last time I checked.
>
> P.P.S. Is it just me or does the Gypsy in Quito look a little odd? If
> that's how they look I don't know if I want one. Seems like too much
> flare on middle of sides, transom?
>
>http://www.instantboats.com/gypsyquito.htm
>
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Recently joined this list, tho I've been watching it for a while.
Picked up the boat bug because I still like them and significant other
doesn't get a thrill from model planes. Two people in rowboat makes
great date, particualarly when reservoir runs thru middle of town. Only
problem drunken canoeist traffic, but they're funny. Completing Nymph
and Roar II started by others. Nymph is mission of mercy to save bare
hull from outdoor roadside boat stand (I kid you not). Also may become
sail trainer. Maybe chase Nymph with Roar during lessons (I think
they'll nest on car), maybe both get in if water flat. Saved cost of
plywood, but did NOT save much labor (I think) as I had to fix much. My
Roar II is strangely shaped but rows well anyway, not off by more than
1.5" in any given place. Not sure how the bulkheads got that far off
the plans, but starting with someone else's mistakes keeps me from
getting too fancy. Must figure out how to add flotation without adding
much weight. Leaning towards tanks made a la Monfort with fabric
covering. Not an option to leave out after bad experience many years
ago in Oday Sprite in cold water. If you sat in it to bail, gunwhales
went 2' under! Could have croaked if not towed back in. Brrrr!
I'm sort of a mechanical engineer by trade. Design and draw (3d CAD)
sheet metal boxes 10% of time, chase paperwork 90%.
I think there's a possibility of making a boat from scratch sometime;
I've been thinking about the Junebug with different sheer line, maybe
if ambitious a Gypsy, maybe if not ambitious a Mihalak Twixt (or is
that Tween?). Then there's that 2nd sharpie in the Sharpie book.
Function would be cartoppable sailing and rowing (maybe more rowing
than sailing?) Would proably be rare to be singlehanded. I'm trying to
figure out if these boats still sail and row well with 400 pound crew
load and 25 lbs misc. junk. I'm considering other designs too. I can
use hi falutin ply if my finances hold together in the interest of
light weight, since I don't want to buy my chiropractor a giant SUV
(helping my dentist pay for one now). This is all kinda pipe dream
stuff right now, so please answer only if it entertains you. Thanks.
P.S. super simple multihull might be cool, but I don't know that it
would have good displacement without being piglike. If I could put a
trailer somewhere I'd be tempted to get a Hobie. Used Hobies quite the
deal last time I checked.
P.P.S. Is it just me or does the Gypsy in Quito look a little odd? If
that's how they look I don't know if I want one. Seems like too much
flare on middle of sides, transom?
http://www.instantboats.com/gypsyquito.htm
Picked up the boat bug because I still like them and significant other
doesn't get a thrill from model planes. Two people in rowboat makes
great date, particualarly when reservoir runs thru middle of town. Only
problem drunken canoeist traffic, but they're funny. Completing Nymph
and Roar II started by others. Nymph is mission of mercy to save bare
hull from outdoor roadside boat stand (I kid you not). Also may become
sail trainer. Maybe chase Nymph with Roar during lessons (I think
they'll nest on car), maybe both get in if water flat. Saved cost of
plywood, but did NOT save much labor (I think) as I had to fix much. My
Roar II is strangely shaped but rows well anyway, not off by more than
1.5" in any given place. Not sure how the bulkheads got that far off
the plans, but starting with someone else's mistakes keeps me from
getting too fancy. Must figure out how to add flotation without adding
much weight. Leaning towards tanks made a la Monfort with fabric
covering. Not an option to leave out after bad experience many years
ago in Oday Sprite in cold water. If you sat in it to bail, gunwhales
went 2' under! Could have croaked if not towed back in. Brrrr!
I'm sort of a mechanical engineer by trade. Design and draw (3d CAD)
sheet metal boxes 10% of time, chase paperwork 90%.
I think there's a possibility of making a boat from scratch sometime;
I've been thinking about the Junebug with different sheer line, maybe
if ambitious a Gypsy, maybe if not ambitious a Mihalak Twixt (or is
that Tween?). Then there's that 2nd sharpie in the Sharpie book.
Function would be cartoppable sailing and rowing (maybe more rowing
than sailing?) Would proably be rare to be singlehanded. I'm trying to
figure out if these boats still sail and row well with 400 pound crew
load and 25 lbs misc. junk. I'm considering other designs too. I can
use hi falutin ply if my finances hold together in the interest of
light weight, since I don't want to buy my chiropractor a giant SUV
(helping my dentist pay for one now). This is all kinda pipe dream
stuff right now, so please answer only if it entertains you. Thanks.
P.S. super simple multihull might be cool, but I don't know that it
would have good displacement without being piglike. If I could put a
trailer somewhere I'd be tempted to get a Hobie. Used Hobies quite the
deal last time I checked.
P.P.S. Is it just me or does the Gypsy in Quito look a little odd? If
that's how they look I don't know if I want one. Seems like too much
flare on middle of sides, transom?
http://www.instantboats.com/gypsyquito.htm