Re: OSB
Without a doubt, oriented strand board (OSB) made of large flakes or
"wafers" of wood thus the nickname "waferboard" is very different
from particleboard and is strong and made using exterior glues. I
considered building a small boat with it myself because of the low
cost (I'm pretty cheap when it comes to paying for materials).
In pursuit of this, I called Dynamite Payson's number and his
delightful wife, who said he was "..working on somebody's boat," got
him to the phone for me.
His response to my question "Could I build a boat of OSB?" was
simply, "Yes, if you want to sink."
Tom Pannell
"wafers" of wood thus the nickname "waferboard" is very different
from particleboard and is strong and made using exterior glues. I
considered building a small boat with it myself because of the low
cost (I'm pretty cheap when it comes to paying for materials).
In pursuit of this, I called Dynamite Payson's number and his
delightful wife, who said he was "..working on somebody's boat," got
him to the phone for me.
His response to my question "Could I build a boat of OSB?" was
simply, "Yes, if you want to sink."
Tom Pannell
--- In bolger@y..., "Bruce C. Anderson" <bcanderson@c...> wrote:
> Howdy
>
> Has anyone used OSB for building a stitch and tape boat?
>
> See Ya
>
> Have Fun
>
> Bruce
>
>http://www.cableone.net/bcanderson/
I will be sure never to scramble any OSB with my morning eggs.
-----Original Message-----
From: nettech22407 [mailto:micwal_va@...]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:50 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: OSB
OSB is to marine plywood as Scrapple is to tenderloin.
What OSB and scrapple have in commen is that both are made from floor
sweepings.
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Subject: [bolger] Re: OSB
OSB is to marine plywood as Scrapple is to tenderloin.
What OSB and scrapple have in commen is that both are made from floor
sweepings.
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OSB is to marine plywood as Scrapple is to tenderloin.
What OSB and scrapple have in commen is that both are made from floor
sweepings.
What OSB and scrapple have in commen is that both are made from floor
sweepings.
The half inch stuff is an inch or more after a while in the rain. If
you sheath it with epoxy, it would probably hold up pretty well, but
so would issues of playboy magazine. I think once you throw that
kind of money and effort at a project, consider all the problems with
load take-offs, swelling, etc, I would spring for something a little
better, doesn't generaly have to be 1088, but I can't see any
argument for OSB.-
-- In bolger@y..., "sacalman" <sacalman@y...> wrote:
I would suggest that before you build a boat out of it that you put a
you sheath it with epoxy, it would probably hold up pretty well, but
so would issues of playboy magazine. I think once you throw that
kind of money and effort at a project, consider all the problems with
load take-offs, swelling, etc, I would spring for something a little
better, doesn't generaly have to be 1088, but I can't see any
argument for OSB.-
-- In bolger@y..., "sacalman" <sacalman@y...> wrote:
> Hello all,snip
>
> I work in the building industry(Although I don't pound nails) in
> California and at this point we make all of our houses out of OSB
> here. >
I would suggest that before you build a boat out of it that you put a
> piece in your dishwasher for a month and see if it delaminates.It's true! it never rains in sothern California.
I can believe that OSB is strong.. when backed by a strong material
(like the ground, or rebar/steel framing). But there is NO WAY I would
build anything except a small boat intended for intermittent use from it.
The strength of wood, the real strength, is from the continuous fiber
strands that lie throughout. In plywood, this is maximized by laying
lam layers at cross grain. IN OSB, the strain is being held by the
GLUE, which is passing strain through the wood fiber bits within it.
I would bet loads of cash that OSB does not stand up under repeated
shock loading, like pounding in a rough seaway or being tossed against
a pier a few times during a storm.
Before using this for any boat project larger than a messabout, I
would seriously consider looking for real test data done under the
conditions that boats experience in the water when being driven. In
fact, contact this association mentioned about it. They may have data.
If they can assure me that the wood wont disintegrate when I bump into
that steel yacht in the anchorage, Ill think about it.
In the meantime, I'll wait for my next check to buy some BS1088 Okume.
Yes, it costs twice or more as other woods, but darn.. it has a long
record of success, and loads of test data to back it up. Does that
mean I have to wait longer to get in the water? Yep. But with my wife
in the boat, no other way I'd do it. :)
--Timothy
(like the ground, or rebar/steel framing). But there is NO WAY I would
build anything except a small boat intended for intermittent use from it.
The strength of wood, the real strength, is from the continuous fiber
strands that lie throughout. In plywood, this is maximized by laying
lam layers at cross grain. IN OSB, the strain is being held by the
GLUE, which is passing strain through the wood fiber bits within it.
I would bet loads of cash that OSB does not stand up under repeated
shock loading, like pounding in a rough seaway or being tossed against
a pier a few times during a storm.
Before using this for any boat project larger than a messabout, I
would seriously consider looking for real test data done under the
conditions that boats experience in the water when being driven. In
fact, contact this association mentioned about it. They may have data.
If they can assure me that the wood wont disintegrate when I bump into
that steel yacht in the anchorage, Ill think about it.
In the meantime, I'll wait for my next check to buy some BS1088 Okume.
Yes, it costs twice or more as other woods, but darn.. it has a long
record of success, and loads of test data to back it up. Does that
mean I have to wait longer to get in the water? Yep. But with my wife
in the boat, no other way I'd do it. :)
--Timothy
Hello all,
I work in the building industry(Although I don't pound nails) in
California and at this point we make all of our houses out of OSB
here. There are huge amounts of this stuff lying around our job sites
and I tend to pick up the larger cutoffs and make things out of them.
This is tough stuff and can take the weather(well, Southern
California weather..;)) quite well. I have also picked up pieces that
were repeatedly run over by backhoes, trucks, Pettibones, ETC. and
never seen any significant delamination.
Three things I do know, you cannot get a smooth finish, there is
significant checking when cutting, and deck screws will pull right
through it when enough force is applied. I solved the finish issue by
laminating door skins or Formica to the faces. So far I have built
several pieces of outside furniture and shelves for my garage out of
free materials.
I would suggest that before you build a boat out of it that you put a
piece in your dishwasher for a month and see if it delaminates.
Good Luck!
Scott Calman
I work in the building industry(Although I don't pound nails) in
California and at this point we make all of our houses out of OSB
here. There are huge amounts of this stuff lying around our job sites
and I tend to pick up the larger cutoffs and make things out of them.
This is tough stuff and can take the weather(well, Southern
California weather..;)) quite well. I have also picked up pieces that
were repeatedly run over by backhoes, trucks, Pettibones, ETC. and
never seen any significant delamination.
Three things I do know, you cannot get a smooth finish, there is
significant checking when cutting, and deck screws will pull right
through it when enough force is applied. I solved the finish issue by
laminating door skins or Formica to the faces. So far I have built
several pieces of outside furniture and shelves for my garage out of
free materials.
I would suggest that before you build a boat out of it that you put a
piece in your dishwasher for a month and see if it delaminates.
Good Luck!
Scott Calman
--- In bolger@y..., "Bruce C. Anderson" <bcanderson@c...> wrote:
> Howdy
>
> Has anyone used OSB for building a stitch and tape boat?
>
> See Ya
>
> Have Fun
>
> Bruce
>
>http://www.cableone.net/bcanderson/
Well, "particle board", the smooth glued up sawdust variety, is NOT
waterproof, as evidenced by the 3/4" board on my porch now swelled to 1 1/8"
and slowly turning back to sawdust in the rain.
"waferboard", boards made up from largish chips, may be relatively
waterproof. The forms for the CLC are laying on the ground in the rain so I
don't have to walk in the mud. They seem to be holding up OK.
waterproof, as evidenced by the 3/4" board on my porch now swelled to 1 1/8"
and slowly turning back to sawdust in the rain.
"waferboard", boards made up from largish chips, may be relatively
waterproof. The forms for the CLC are laying on the ground in the rain so I
don't have to walk in the mud. They seem to be holding up OK.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Albanese" <marka@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] OSB
|
|
| > The "Chipboard" was what I had in mind. What is "fiberboard"? is it a
| > smooth faced type of OSB?
|
| Hiya, Bruce.
|
| Yes, sorta. Both are wood detritus fixed in glue. Particleboard is the
other name. They
| sell it around here for underlayment, and I think it is the same as used
for inexpensive
| furniture, sometimes plain, or with a wood grained laminate. It's pretty
easily flaked or shattered.
|
| > I thought it would be heavy, but, it wouldn't have any voids. If you
| > sheathed the outside in fiberglass would it be that hard to finish??
the
| > inside might be a different matter. A thin coat of bondo comes to mind,
but
| > that would only increase the weight. :(
|
| Both have to be a lot thicker and heavier than ply to have the same
strength. By the
| time you've done all this fixing, any savings are quite out the window.
|
| I've recently done some boil and cold water soak tests on some Philippine
that's not
| officially rated exterior, with encouraging results for intermittently
used small craft.
| The sheets look good both sides and I cannot find a single void. If you're
really on a
| budget, then I think that's the way to go.
|
| On the other hand, real 6mm marine can be had starting at $42.50 / sheet.
You'd spend a
| like amount ( or more ) if you feel the need to epoxy it all over. So by
using crap,
| you'll only save at most $50 on a two sheet boat.
|
| I've looked at that $5 a sheet stuff longingly myself. Notice nobody
responded in the
| affirmative yet to your original question.
|
| Sorry,
| Mark
|
|
| Bolger rules!!!
| - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
| - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
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|
|
> The "Chipboard" was what I had in mind. What is "fiberboard"? is it aHiya, Bruce.
> smooth faced type of OSB?
Yes, sorta. Both are wood detritus fixed in glue. Particleboard is the other name. They
sell it around here for underlayment, and I think it is the same as used for inexpensive
furniture, sometimes plain, or with a wood grained laminate. It's pretty easily flaked or shattered.
> I thought it would be heavy, but, it wouldn't have any voids. If youBoth have to be a lot thicker and heavier than ply to have the same strength. By the
> sheathed the outside in fiberglass would it be that hard to finish?? the
> inside might be a different matter. A thin coat of bondo comes to mind, but
> that would only increase the weight. :(
time you've done all this fixing, any savings are quite out the window.
I've recently done some boil and cold water soak tests on some Philippine that's not
officially rated exterior, with encouraging results for intermittently used small craft.
The sheets look good both sides and I cannot find a single void. If you're really on a
budget, then I think that's the way to go.
On the other hand, real 6mm marine can be had starting at $42.50 / sheet. You'd spend a
like amount ( or more ) if you feel the need to epoxy it all over. So by using crap,
you'll only save at most $50 on a two sheet boat.
I've looked at that $5 a sheet stuff longingly myself. Notice nobody responded in the
affirmative yet to your original question.
Sorry,
Mark
Howdy Mark
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] OSB
>That will be heavy and hard to finish smooth, methinks.
I thought it would be heavy, but, it wouldn't have any voids. If you
sheathed the outside in fiberglass would it be that hard to finish?? the
inside might be a different matter. A thin coat of bondo comes to mind, but
that would only increase the weight. :(
> Looking a little further, it's less clear to me if this is the rough,
"Chipboard" or the
> smooth faced, "Fiberboard."
The "Chipboard" was what I had in mind. What is "fiberboard"? is it a
smooth faced type of OSB?
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://www.cableone.net/bcanderson/
Howdy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] OSB
> is the glue waterproof?
Don't know.
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://www.cableone.net/bcanderson/
>http://www.sba-osb.com/sba/Index.htmlLooking a little further, it's less clear to me if this is the rough, "Chipboard" or the
>
smooth faced, "Fiberboard."
Which did you have n mind, Bruce?
Mark
>Richard Spelling wrote:
> Has anyone used OSB for building a stitch and tape boat?
>
> Bruce
>Here's the more than everything you want to know about it site
> is the glue waterproof?
>
http://www.sba-osb.com/sba/Index.html
That will be heavy and hard to finish smooth, methinks.
Mark
is the glue waterproof?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce C. Anderson" <bcanderson@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 11:17 PM
Subject: [bolger] OSB
| Howdy
|
| Has anyone used OSB for building a stitch and tape boat?
|
| See Ya
|
| Have Fun
|
| Bruce
|
|http://www.cableone.net/bcanderson/
|
|
|
| Bolger rules!!!
| - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
| - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
| - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
| - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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|
|
|
Howdy
Has anyone used OSB for building a stitch and tape boat?
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://www.cableone.net/bcanderson/
Has anyone used OSB for building a stitch and tape boat?
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://www.cableone.net/bcanderson/