Re: Is the Illinois the largest of the State design Bolger power sharpies.
Nah, not me. I wish! We never got to the I'll put some money down for
planning stage. This is eminently feasible, straightfoward, and yet
excruciatingly expensive super sharpie. I'd love to see one though.
planning stage. This is eminently feasible, straightfoward, and yet
excruciatingly expensive super sharpie. I'd love to see one though.
A Zenair CH 701 STOL, it's as close to a vertical take off and
landing as you can get in a Rotax powered Canadian Ultralight. I flew
one a few years ago and it'll take off in zero wind with two adults
on board in under 100 feet and land in the same. Since I can make a
headwind of at least 10 knots, well I am going on a bit... I thought
of a gyrocopter, but the dream is to have the first civilian fixed
wing carrier. Any one can land a rotorary wing aircraft on a deck he
cobbled up on a floatable, but to turn the bow into the wind, run up
the motor and fly off the bow is something not many ever get to do.
Zenair has a site, zenair.com or some such.
landing as you can get in a Rotax powered Canadian Ultralight. I flew
one a few years ago and it'll take off in zero wind with two adults
on board in under 100 feet and land in the same. Since I can make a
headwind of at least 10 knots, well I am going on a bit... I thought
of a gyrocopter, but the dream is to have the first civilian fixed
wing carrier. Any one can land a rotorary wing aircraft on a deck he
cobbled up on a floatable, but to turn the bow into the wind, run up
the motor and fly off the bow is something not many ever get to do.
Zenair has a site, zenair.com or some such.
He also mentions doing work on a 100 x 12' Whyo type for a client who
backed out. Is this what we are talking about?
Phil's comments and his willingness to go ahead
backed out. Is this what we are talking about?
Phil's comments and his willingness to go ahead
> with the design are there also.
> Bruce Hector, dreaming of turning final, calling the ball andmaking
> sure my harness and life vest are strapped up tight.Bruce, when you dream of that kind of thing, what sort of craft do
yuo dream of flying off and on her? What about one of those
rotorcraft? Don't know much about them, but they might be the
nearest to vertical landing and take-off available in the size range.
Harry,
Quick search for, "Canal" found this from Vincent Chew:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/12285
"Bolger also has an inboard/outdrive version of Topaz called
Explorer which is quite interesting."
BTW He says the European canals are wider than the English.
Couldn't find anything else specific to Explorer, but I speculate Topaz would be more
seakindly with the v shaped bow than the straight power sharpies, and might be stretched
to almost any length.
You've seen it before, but Topaz is here
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Topaz/
There's more under canal but I didn't go through it all.
Mark
"Harry W. James" wrote:
Quick search for, "Canal" found this from Vincent Chew:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/12285
"Bolger also has an inboard/outdrive version of Topaz called
Explorer which is quite interesting."
BTW He says the European canals are wider than the English.
Couldn't find anything else specific to Explorer, but I speculate Topaz would be more
seakindly with the v shaped bow than the straight power sharpies, and might be stretched
to almost any length.
You've seen it before, but Topaz is here
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Topaz/
There's more under canal but I didn't go through it all.
Mark
"Harry W. James" wrote:
>
> Actually somebody mentioned (dim memory) that this was a design(s) in
> process, that was keeping Mr. Bolger busy, though obviously not to busy
> work up the Insolent 60.
>
> HJ
>
> Mark Albanese wrote:
> >
> > Do you mean #487, the sailing narrowboat Weston Martyr? 45' LOA x 6' 9" Beam 18" Draft
> > 17,000 pounds displ.
> > Designed for the English canals, the Thames, North Sea, the Med, Black Sea or the Baltic
> > -and with determination and endurance for a family of four from NZ to Europe.
> >
> > Here's some of what Bolger said in MAIB 8/15/200:
> > "When seen in the context of other sharpies of ours she is neither particularly narrow or
> > low, but she sure is long."
> >
> > Hope this gives enough pieces to pursue an archive search,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > "Harry W. James" wrote:
> > >
> > > There were rumors on this list a while back about very long boats out of
> > > steel, with ocean going capability, but still fitting into the French
> > > canal measurement limits, Anybody remember who said what about this? I
> > > got the impression it was Bolgers version of the upper limits that fit
> > > Beebe's ideals.
> > >
> > > HJ
> >
>
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Actually somebody mentioned (dim memory) that this was a design(s) in
process, that was keeping Mr. Bolger busy, though obviously not to busy
work up the Insolent 60.
HJ
Mark Albanese wrote:
process, that was keeping Mr. Bolger busy, though obviously not to busy
work up the Insolent 60.
HJ
Mark Albanese wrote:
>
> Do you mean #487, the sailing narrowboat Weston Martyr? 45' LOA x 6' 9" Beam 18" Draft
> 17,000 pounds displ.
> Designed for the English canals, the Thames, North Sea, the Med, Black Sea or the Baltic
> -and with determination and endurance for a family of four from NZ to Europe.
>
> Here's some of what Bolger said in MAIB 8/15/200:
> "When seen in the context of other sharpies of ours she is neither particularly narrow or
> low, but she sure is long."
>
> Hope this gives enough pieces to pursue an archive search,
>
> Mark
>
>
> "Harry W. James" wrote:
> >
> > There were rumors on this list a while back about very long boats out of
> > steel, with ocean going capability, but still fitting into the French
> > canal measurement limits, Anybody remember who said what about this? I
> > got the impression it was Bolgers version of the upper limits that fit
> > Beebe's ideals.
> >
> > HJ
>
There is another you might want to contact PCB&F about, though she is
not really a sharpie. The design name is White Eel, and it hasn't
been published that I know of. She's an ocean crosser, and so is
more rugged than Illinois (and more expensive). Basically - a big
Tahiti.
http://www.geocities.com/sanmi/profile8.jpg
Frank
not really a sharpie. The design name is White Eel, and it hasn't
been published that I know of. She's an ocean crosser, and so is
more rugged than Illinois (and more expensive). Basically - a big
Tahiti.
http://www.geocities.com/sanmi/profile8.jpg
Frank
--- In bolger@y..., "announcer97624" <cupp@k...> wrote:
> Since I am new to Bolger design's and MAIB, I am wondering if
there
> are any larger in the state line. If the formula for length versus
> width works out on the State line a hundred foot long state boat
> could be 16' wide. I don't suffer from claustrophobia but if the
only
> way to get width is length then so be it.
>
> John
A simple sketch of the 100' sharpie aircraft carrier is at
www.brucesboats.com , Phil's comments and his willingness to go ahead
with the design are there also. I won't be building one anytime soon,
but perhaps someone with deeper pockets and half as crazy might carry
it forward someday.
Bruce Hector, dreaming of turning final, calling the ball and making
sure my harness and life vest are strapped up tight.
www.brucesboats.com , Phil's comments and his willingness to go ahead
with the design are there also. I won't be building one anytime soon,
but perhaps someone with deeper pockets and half as crazy might carry
it forward someday.
Bruce Hector, dreaming of turning final, calling the ball and making
sure my harness and life vest are strapped up tight.
Do you mean #487, the sailing narrowboat Weston Martyr? 45' LOA x 6' 9" Beam 18" Draft
17,000 pounds displ.
Designed for the English canals, the Thames, North Sea, the Med, Black Sea or the Baltic
-and with determination and endurance for a family of four from NZ to Europe.
Here's some of what Bolger said in MAIB 8/15/200:
"When seen in the context of other sharpies of ours she is neither particularly narrow or
low, but she sure is long."
Hope this gives enough pieces to pursue an archive search,
Mark
"Harry W. James" wrote:
17,000 pounds displ.
Designed for the English canals, the Thames, North Sea, the Med, Black Sea or the Baltic
-and with determination and endurance for a family of four from NZ to Europe.
Here's some of what Bolger said in MAIB 8/15/200:
"When seen in the context of other sharpies of ours she is neither particularly narrow or
low, but she sure is long."
Hope this gives enough pieces to pursue an archive search,
Mark
"Harry W. James" wrote:
>
> There were rumors on this list a while back about very long boats out of
> steel, with ocean going capability, but still fitting into the French
> canal measurement limits, Anybody remember who said what about this? I
> got the impression it was Bolgers version of the upper limits that fit
> Beebe's ideals.
>
> HJ
There were rumors on this list a while back about very long boats out of
steel, with ocean going capability, but still fitting into the French
canal measurement limits, Anybody remember who said what about this? I
got the impression it was Bolgers version of the upper limits that fit
Beebe's ideals.
HJ
announcer97624 wrote:
steel, with ocean going capability, but still fitting into the French
canal measurement limits, Anybody remember who said what about this? I
got the impression it was Bolgers version of the upper limits that fit
Beebe's ideals.
HJ
announcer97624 wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> I like the Wyoming and Illinois but neither are what I would pick as
> perfect. I'm positive if Bolger designed a 100' State series boat it
> would be a masterful combination of form and function like all of his
> designs. So far I have been leaning to the Illinois. I am sure there
> might be a point of diminishing returns but something tells me it is
> beyond 100'.
>
> Maybe a Pennsylvania or Nevada will break the 100' mark or maybe PCB
> has already decided against such an endeavor. I wish I had a complete
> list of all his design's. One thing is certain, I would never take it
> upon myself to redesign anything Mr. Bolger has done.
>
> Keep sending those photo's Jeff, we all want to see the finished
> product. Your narratives have been informative and it has encouraged
> more of us to get plans for building.
>
> John
>
> --
> I like the Wyoming and Illinois but neither are what I wouldAgreed, no boat is perfect. It's all about tweaking a design
> pick as
> perfect.
for the intended use so to say.
Jeff
Jeff,
I like the Wyoming and Illinois but neither are what I would pick as
perfect. I'm positive if Bolger designed a 100' State series boat it
would be a masterful combination of form and function like all of his
designs. So far I have been leaning to the Illinois. I am sure there
might be a point of diminishing returns but something tells me it is
beyond 100'.
Maybe a Pennsylvania or Nevada will break the 100' mark or maybe PCB
has already decided against such an endeavor. I wish I had a complete
list of all his design's. One thing is certain, I would never take it
upon myself to redesign anything Mr. Bolger has done.
Keep sending those photo's Jeff, we all want to see the finished
product. Your narratives have been informative and it has encouraged
more of us to get plans for building.
John
I like the Wyoming and Illinois but neither are what I would pick as
perfect. I'm positive if Bolger designed a 100' State series boat it
would be a masterful combination of form and function like all of his
designs. So far I have been leaning to the Illinois. I am sure there
might be a point of diminishing returns but something tells me it is
beyond 100'.
Maybe a Pennsylvania or Nevada will break the 100' mark or maybe PCB
has already decided against such an endeavor. I wish I had a complete
list of all his design's. One thing is certain, I would never take it
upon myself to redesign anything Mr. Bolger has done.
Keep sending those photo's Jeff, we all want to see the finished
product. Your narratives have been informative and it has encouraged
more of us to get plans for building.
John
--- In bolger@y..., "jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> Doubling a Wyoming to 100' X 16' would not be the best way in my
opinion.
>
> Having that long of a flat run boat may be a bit on the wild side.
You
> would need lot's and lot's of HP to take advantage of the flat
run. Your
> talking about a boat that could weigh in excess of 30,000 lbs. or
more if
> built to take the speed like the Wyoming.
>
> Personally, I'd go with a doubled Tennessee. You'd get a 60' X 12'
boat
> capable of crusing at about 10 kts easily on 25 HP, you could add
another 25
> HP kicker to it for redundancy and more speed. She wouldn't need
to be
> built anywhere near as stout as the Wyoming because of the reduced
speeds
> and more real living space than a stretched Wyo.
>
> With the rocker, you wouldn't make much of a wake either. Draft
would be
> about 1 foot and she'd handle a brief duck on the ocean to more
crusing
> grounds a lot better than a stretched Wyo.
>
> I am familiar with building both the Wyoming and the Tennessee.
Part of me
> wanted Bolger to double the Tennessee but a Wyoming had not been
built to
> plans to anyone's knowledge and I choose speed potential over
economy.
> Besides, I'm not capable of designing something like that and I
didn't want
> to wait a year for the plans to be done.
>
> AND, my wife really liked the Wyoming and that is one of the
biggest keys to
> building a dream boat.
>
> Jeff
Doubling a Wyoming to 100' X 16' would not be the best way in my opinion.
Having that long of a flat run boat may be a bit on the wild side. You
would need lot's and lot's of HP to take advantage of the flat run. Your
talking about a boat that could weigh in excess of 30,000 lbs. or more if
built to take the speed like the Wyoming.
Personally, I'd go with a doubled Tennessee. You'd get a 60' X 12' boat
capable of crusing at about 10 kts easily on 25 HP, you could add another 25
HP kicker to it for redundancy and more speed. She wouldn't need to be
built anywhere near as stout as the Wyoming because of the reduced speeds
and more real living space than a stretched Wyo.
With the rocker, you wouldn't make much of a wake either. Draft would be
about 1 foot and she'd handle a brief duck on the ocean to more crusing
grounds a lot better than a stretched Wyo.
I am familiar with building both the Wyoming and the Tennessee. Part of me
wanted Bolger to double the Tennessee but a Wyoming had not been built to
plans to anyone's knowledge and I choose speed potential over economy.
Besides, I'm not capable of designing something like that and I didn't want
to wait a year for the plans to be done.
AND, my wife really liked the Wyoming and that is one of the biggest keys to
building a dream boat.
Jeff
Having that long of a flat run boat may be a bit on the wild side. You
would need lot's and lot's of HP to take advantage of the flat run. Your
talking about a boat that could weigh in excess of 30,000 lbs. or more if
built to take the speed like the Wyoming.
Personally, I'd go with a doubled Tennessee. You'd get a 60' X 12' boat
capable of crusing at about 10 kts easily on 25 HP, you could add another 25
HP kicker to it for redundancy and more speed. She wouldn't need to be
built anywhere near as stout as the Wyoming because of the reduced speeds
and more real living space than a stretched Wyo.
With the rocker, you wouldn't make much of a wake either. Draft would be
about 1 foot and she'd handle a brief duck on the ocean to more crusing
grounds a lot better than a stretched Wyo.
I am familiar with building both the Wyoming and the Tennessee. Part of me
wanted Bolger to double the Tennessee but a Wyoming had not been built to
plans to anyone's knowledge and I choose speed potential over economy.
Besides, I'm not capable of designing something like that and I didn't want
to wait a year for the plans to be done.
AND, my wife really liked the Wyoming and that is one of the biggest keys to
building a dream boat.
Jeff
Thank You Peter,
I have reviewed those boats but the State design's offer an edge in
small power plants that push them efficiently. With the advent of
white LED lights, photovoltaic panels and advanced electric
propulsion a 100' X 16" awning over the main deck could be an
electric farm. The State series is majestic and with enough
alternative energy built in could be more than liveable with class.
Besides the extra length can help in those times when the closeness
of living aboard has worn down my wife's normally sweet demure. I
live in a state that has the Columbia Gorge and many places to
explore. Short ocean trips to protected waters must be part of the
design. I have a fifth-wheel travel trailer I tow behind my Dodge
diesel 4X4. I would rather be on the water than the pavement and the
perspective of your world from the water is always more pleasant.
And who can resist a design named after the pride of our country for
many years. What it all boils down to is that I need a project and I
must pick wisely
John
--- In bolger@y..., "ellengaestboatbuildingcom" <ellengaest@b...>
wrote:> John,
I have reviewed those boats but the State design's offer an edge in
small power plants that push them efficiently. With the advent of
white LED lights, photovoltaic panels and advanced electric
propulsion a 100' X 16" awning over the main deck could be an
electric farm. The State series is majestic and with enough
alternative energy built in could be more than liveable with class.
Besides the extra length can help in those times when the closeness
of living aboard has worn down my wife's normally sweet demure. I
live in a state that has the Columbia Gorge and many places to
explore. Short ocean trips to protected waters must be part of the
design. I have a fifth-wheel travel trailer I tow behind my Dodge
diesel 4X4. I would rather be on the water than the pavement and the
perspective of your world from the water is always more pleasant.
And who can resist a design named after the pride of our country for
many years. What it all boils down to is that I need a project and I
must pick wisely
John
--- In bolger@y..., "ellengaestboatbuildingcom" <ellengaest@b...>
wrote:> John,
> There is another way to get width without undue length. It isnot
> part of the STATES line of Bolger designs nor is it 16' wide but it
> does offer an amazing amount of interior volume and is buildable by
> mere mortals.Check this out:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%
> 20BOATS/PUFFER
>
> Happy dreaming!!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "announcer97624" <cupp@k...> wrote:
> If the formula for length versus
> > width works out on the State line a hundred foot long state boat
> > could be 16' wide. I don't suffer from claustrophobia but if the
> only
> > way to get width is length then so be it.
> >
> > John
That's a neat boat! Where could I read more about this one?
"ellengaestboatbuildingcom" <ellengaest@...> on 06/06/2002
08:05:34 AM
Please respond to bolger@yahoogroups.com
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
cc:
Subject: [bolger] Re: Is the Illinois the largest of the State design
Bolger power sharpies.
John,
There is another way to get width without undue length. It is not
part of the STATES line of Bolger designs nor is it 16' wide but it
does offer an amazing amount of interior volume and is buildable by
mere mortals.Check this out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%
20BOATS/PUFFER
Happy dreaming!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
"ellengaestboatbuildingcom" <ellengaest@...> on 06/06/2002
08:05:34 AM
Please respond to bolger@yahoogroups.com
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
cc:
Subject: [bolger] Re: Is the Illinois the largest of the State design
Bolger power sharpies.
John,
There is another way to get width without undue length. It is not
part of the STATES line of Bolger designs nor is it 16' wide but it
does offer an amazing amount of interior volume and is buildable by
mere mortals.Check this out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%
20BOATS/PUFFER
Happy dreaming!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., "announcer97624" <cupp@k...> wrote:
If the formula for length versus
> width works out on the State line a hundred foot long state boat
> could be 16' wide. I don't suffer from claustrophobia but if the
only
> way to get width is length then so be it.
>
> John
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> If the formula for length versus...and have a flight deck on top. :-)
> width works out on the State line a hundred foot long state boat
> could be 16' wide.
-- Sue --
(hoping that this comes to pass someday; it sounds like fun)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
John,
There is another way to get width without undue length. It is not
part of the STATES line of Bolger designs nor is it 16' wide but it
does offer an amazing amount of interior volume and is buildable by
mere mortals.Check this out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%
20BOATS/PUFFER
Happy dreaming!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
There is another way to get width without undue length. It is not
part of the STATES line of Bolger designs nor is it 16' wide but it
does offer an amazing amount of interior volume and is buildable by
mere mortals.Check this out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/BIG%20BOLGER%
20BOATS/PUFFER
Happy dreaming!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., "announcer97624" <cupp@k...> wrote:
If the formula for length versus
> width works out on the State line a hundred foot long state boat
> could be 16' wide. I don't suffer from claustrophobia but if the
only
> way to get width is length then so be it.
>
> John
Since I am new to Bolger design's and MAIB, I am wondering if there
are any larger in the state line. If the formula for length versus
width works out on the State line a hundred foot long state boat
could be 16' wide. I don't suffer from claustrophobia but if the only
way to get width is length then so be it.
John
are any larger in the state line. If the formula for length versus
width works out on the State line a hundred foot long state boat
could be 16' wide. I don't suffer from claustrophobia but if the only
way to get width is length then so be it.
John