Chebacco
Are the plans for the glued lapstrake version the same as the plans for
the multi chine. I would not think they are, but I thought I would
ask. If different, does anybody know where to get the plans for the
glued lapstrake version?
the multi chine. I would not think they are, but I thought I would
ask. If different, does anybody know where to get the plans for the
glued lapstrake version?
I know what you mean about the dormancy, but then I go back and find articles I've not read (or maybe that's just short term memory loss). Richard's career is dynamic! Enthusiasm is highest before the launch.
The registry shows that "Stealing Horses" is/was in Plainfield or Cummington, MA. From here that looks close, but, ...
One of our customers flew in from California to witness acceptance tests. He asked if we minded picking him up at "the airport." We said "No, of course not." Then we found he was flying into LaGuardia, while we were in Binghamton, NY. It's just a 90 mile drive.
We felt avenged when he witnessed the acceptance tests at the GE observatory on top of a mountain north of Schenectady, NY. He had only a summer weight suit. It was winter and windy. The tests went quickly.
Nov 15, 2001
Dick and Ulla Burnham
Plainfield, Massachusetts, USA
Stealing Horses
Note: A 20'sheet plywood version under construction with the hull almost complete (Nov. '01).
R.Burnham
234 West St.
Cummington, MA 01026 USA
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
The registry shows that "Stealing Horses" is/was in Plainfield or Cummington, MA. From here that looks close, but, ...
One of our customers flew in from California to witness acceptance tests. He asked if we minded picking him up at "the airport." We said "No, of course not." Then we found he was flying into LaGuardia, while we were in Binghamton, NY. It's just a 90 mile drive.
We felt avenged when he witnessed the acceptance tests at the GE observatory on top of a mountain north of Schenectady, NY. He had only a summer weight suit. It was winter and windy. The tests went quickly.
Nov 15, 2001
Dick and Ulla Burnham
Plainfield, Massachusetts, USA
Stealing Horses
Note: A 20'sheet plywood version under construction with the hull almost complete (Nov. '01).
R.Burnham
234 West St.
Cummington, MA 01026 USA
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: jawilco
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:22 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco
Roger,
I've never been to Indiana, and suspect I won't find myself there any
time in the near future. Thanks for the thought tho.
Frequent visitor to the Chebacco.com site over the past many months.
I love the site, but it's dormant for anywhere between six and twelve
months at a time it seems. There are a couple of boats that have had
the building process documented pretty well on the dot com or linked
off of it that I like a lot.
Regards,
Jim
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "derbyrm" <derbyrm@...> wrote:
>
> If your area includes Southern Indiana, you're welcome to view my
work in progress. Have you checked outhttp://www.chebacco.com/??
>
> Roger
> derbyrm@...
>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jawilco
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:36 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Chebacco
>
>
> Hello,
> I've bought Chebacco plans to review and I'm wondering if there
is
> anyone in my area (Reading, Massachusetts) that would allow me to
take
> a look at their Chebacco boat in the coming months.
> I'm undecided between the CS20 and the Bolger Chebacco, so I'd
like to
> be able to see one of each prior to making any commitment to
build.
> My current project is nearly complete, and I think I'd like to
start
> another project this fall.
> Thanks
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Roger,
I've never been to Indiana, and suspect I won't find myself there any
time in the near future. Thanks for the thought tho.
Frequent visitor to the Chebacco.com site over the past many months.
I love the site, but it's dormant for anywhere between six and twelve
months at a time it seems. There are a couple of boats that have had
the building process documented pretty well on the dot com or linked
off of it that I like a lot.
Regards,
Jim
I've never been to Indiana, and suspect I won't find myself there any
time in the near future. Thanks for the thought tho.
Frequent visitor to the Chebacco.com site over the past many months.
I love the site, but it's dormant for anywhere between six and twelve
months at a time it seems. There are a couple of boats that have had
the building process documented pretty well on the dot com or linked
off of it that I like a lot.
Regards,
Jim
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "derbyrm" <derbyrm@...> wrote:
>
> If your area includes Southern Indiana, you're welcome to view my
work in progress. Have you checked outhttp://www.chebacco.com/??
>
> Roger
> derbyrm@...
>http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jawilco
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:36 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Chebacco
>
>
> Hello,
> I've bought Chebacco plans to review and I'm wondering if there
is
> anyone in my area (Reading, Massachusetts) that would allow me to
take
> a look at their Chebacco boat in the coming months.
> I'm undecided between the CS20 and the Bolger Chebacco, so I'd
like to
> be able to see one of each prior to making any commitment to
build.
> My current project is nearly complete, and I think I'd like to
start
> another project this fall.
> Thanks
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
If your area includes Southern Indiana, you're welcome to view my work in progress. Have you checked outhttp://www.chebacco.com/??
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: jawilco
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:36 PM
Subject: [bolger] Chebacco
Hello,
I've bought Chebacco plans to review and I'm wondering if there is
anyone in my area (Reading, Massachusetts) that would allow me to take
a look at their Chebacco boat in the coming months.
I'm undecided between the CS20 and the Bolger Chebacco, so I'd like to
be able to see one of each prior to making any commitment to build.
My current project is nearly complete, and I think I'd like to start
another project this fall.
Thanks
Jim
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hello,
I've bought Chebacco plans to review and I'm wondering if there is
anyone in my area (Reading, Massachusetts) that would allow me to take
a look at their Chebacco boat in the coming months.
I'm undecided between the CS20 and the Bolger Chebacco, so I'd like to
be able to see one of each prior to making any commitment to build.
My current project is nearly complete, and I think I'd like to start
another project this fall.
Thanks
Jim
I've bought Chebacco plans to review and I'm wondering if there is
anyone in my area (Reading, Massachusetts) that would allow me to take
a look at their Chebacco boat in the coming months.
I'm undecided between the CS20 and the Bolger Chebacco, so I'd like to
be able to see one of each prior to making any commitment to build.
My current project is nearly complete, and I think I'd like to start
another project this fall.
Thanks
Jim
Paul, I am having a ball with her. I get out most weekends, and sometimes
during the week (I work at night). I spent quite a bit of time investigating
her habits in high wind conditions, so some of the weather helm is only seen
then. Also, I think my weight is less than yours, and I do notice weather
helm decreases with guests in the cockpit. I will report on my experiments
with a jib, which I think I'll do with a jury rigged bowsprit and polytarp
jib first.
The lower attach point of the gaff bridle needs to drop a foot more, which
I'll do this winter, as I'm having too much fun to haul her now. I have her
on a mooring in Belfast (Maine) harbor. Thanks for your fine work, and have
fun with your next effort!
-Bill
_____
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
paulthober
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:53 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Chebacco
Robin - I do have a drawing of the modifications that I made to the
design, however, were I to build this boat again I would not build it
to my modified design. As Bill Kreamer notes and I agree, the cockpit
is too small and cramped for more than one person. See message number
40235 where there is a description in detail as to how I modified the
design. Refer to your plans while reading it and it should be fairly
clear.
Bill - It's good to hear that you are sailing Lois (nee Samantha) I
hope you have enjoyed her as much as I did.
I did not experience the excessive weather helm you describe nor the
lack of downwind control.
I often sailed the boat to weather and could often balance the boat
even without lashing the helm. I wonder if sail shape could be causing
what you describe? I can remember that it took a tremendous amount of
tension on the throat and peak halyards to get the sail to set
properly, i.e. with a wrinkle from peak to tack with the sail limp. I
found using the topping lift to get the boom weight off the sail helped
to accomplish this.
The main trouble I had with downwind sailing was jibing - any lack of
concentration and the boom was heading my way. (And I do
mean "head"ing, as I didn't make the boom high enough or the cockpit
seats low enough to prevent an "interference fit" of the boom and my
head.) Perhaps the sail has been overpowering the boat - reef sooner!
I noticed the vortices also and always wondered what caused them.
Tacking this boat IS a bit sluggish - I think it is mainly the fault of
the keel and our expectations. I found with a bit of practice that it
was not a problem at all. Footing off and easing the main sheet a bit
and then bringing the helm over deliberately got the job done every
time.
Paul Thober
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during the week (I work at night). I spent quite a bit of time investigating
her habits in high wind conditions, so some of the weather helm is only seen
then. Also, I think my weight is less than yours, and I do notice weather
helm decreases with guests in the cockpit. I will report on my experiments
with a jib, which I think I'll do with a jury rigged bowsprit and polytarp
jib first.
The lower attach point of the gaff bridle needs to drop a foot more, which
I'll do this winter, as I'm having too much fun to haul her now. I have her
on a mooring in Belfast (Maine) harbor. Thanks for your fine work, and have
fun with your next effort!
-Bill
_____
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
paulthober
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:53 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Chebacco
Robin - I do have a drawing of the modifications that I made to the
design, however, were I to build this boat again I would not build it
to my modified design. As Bill Kreamer notes and I agree, the cockpit
is too small and cramped for more than one person. See message number
40235 where there is a description in detail as to how I modified the
design. Refer to your plans while reading it and it should be fairly
clear.
Bill - It's good to hear that you are sailing Lois (nee Samantha) I
hope you have enjoyed her as much as I did.
I did not experience the excessive weather helm you describe nor the
lack of downwind control.
I often sailed the boat to weather and could often balance the boat
even without lashing the helm. I wonder if sail shape could be causing
what you describe? I can remember that it took a tremendous amount of
tension on the throat and peak halyards to get the sail to set
properly, i.e. with a wrinkle from peak to tack with the sail limp. I
found using the topping lift to get the boom weight off the sail helped
to accomplish this.
The main trouble I had with downwind sailing was jibing - any lack of
concentration and the boom was heading my way. (And I do
mean "head"ing, as I didn't make the boom high enough or the cockpit
seats low enough to prevent an "interference fit" of the boom and my
head.) Perhaps the sail has been overpowering the boat - reef sooner!
I noticed the vortices also and always wondered what caused them.
Tacking this boat IS a bit sluggish - I think it is mainly the fault of
the keel and our expectations. I found with a bit of practice that it
was not a problem at all. Footing off and easing the main sheet a bit
and then bringing the helm over deliberately got the job done every
time.
Paul Thober
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Robin - I do have a drawing of the modifications that I made to the
design, however, were I to build this boat again I would not build it
to my modified design. As Bill Kreamer notes and I agree, the cockpit
is too small and cramped for more than one person. See message number
40235 where there is a description in detail as to how I modified the
design. Refer to your plans while reading it and it should be fairly
clear.
Bill - It's good to hear that you are sailing Lois (nee Samantha) I
hope you have enjoyed her as much as I did.
I did not experience the excessive weather helm you describe nor the
lack of downwind control.
I often sailed the boat to weather and could often balance the boat
even without lashing the helm. I wonder if sail shape could be causing
what you describe? I can remember that it took a tremendous amount of
tension on the throat and peak halyards to get the sail to set
properly, i.e. with a wrinkle from peak to tack with the sail limp. I
found using the topping lift to get the boom weight off the sail helped
to accomplish this.
The main trouble I had with downwind sailing was jibing - any lack of
concentration and the boom was heading my way. (And I do
mean "head"ing, as I didn't make the boom high enough or the cockpit
seats low enough to prevent an "interference fit" of the boom and my
head.) Perhaps the sail has been overpowering the boat - reef sooner!
I noticed the vortices also and always wondered what caused them.
Tacking this boat IS a bit sluggish - I think it is mainly the fault of
the keel and our expectations. I found with a bit of practice that it
was not a problem at all. Footing off and easing the main sheet a bit
and then bringing the helm over deliberately got the job done every
time.
Paul Thober
design, however, were I to build this boat again I would not build it
to my modified design. As Bill Kreamer notes and I agree, the cockpit
is too small and cramped for more than one person. See message number
40235 where there is a description in detail as to how I modified the
design. Refer to your plans while reading it and it should be fairly
clear.
Bill - It's good to hear that you are sailing Lois (nee Samantha) I
hope you have enjoyed her as much as I did.
I did not experience the excessive weather helm you describe nor the
lack of downwind control.
I often sailed the boat to weather and could often balance the boat
even without lashing the helm. I wonder if sail shape could be causing
what you describe? I can remember that it took a tremendous amount of
tension on the throat and peak halyards to get the sail to set
properly, i.e. with a wrinkle from peak to tack with the sail limp. I
found using the topping lift to get the boom weight off the sail helped
to accomplish this.
The main trouble I had with downwind sailing was jibing - any lack of
concentration and the boom was heading my way. (And I do
mean "head"ing, as I didn't make the boom high enough or the cockpit
seats low enough to prevent an "interference fit" of the boom and my
head.) Perhaps the sail has been overpowering the boat - reef sooner!
I noticed the vortices also and always wondered what caused them.
Tacking this boat IS a bit sluggish - I think it is mainly the fault of
the keel and our expectations. I found with a bit of practice that it
was not a problem at all. Footing off and easing the main sheet a bit
and then bringing the helm over deliberately got the job done every
time.
Paul Thober
No. Samantha, the keeled, modified Chebacco, is the one for sale. With three others.
Interesting story about Samantha coming up in the next issue.
Interesting story about Samantha coming up in the next issue.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dickb_bolger" <burnharch@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:24 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco Conversions
> I think this is the regular sheet ply version of the Chebacco whereas
> the one that Richard Spelling built, with the comfy conning tower
> (ahem) is the "cruising version." Or, maybe I'm up too early.
> Anyway, it being Maine (?) then I wonder if this is not the Chebacco
> that, in the last CN, is for sale, has a fixed keel instead of a
> c/b? Also, I see two interesting things: a solar panel on the mizzen
> mast (hmmm, to run all sorts of things, like what?) and a nifty
> looking dingy (what kind?) in Chebacco's wake.
>
> Cheers, Dick
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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>
I think this is the regular sheet ply version of the Chebacco whereas
the one that Richard Spelling built, with the comfy conning tower
(ahem) is the "cruising version." Or, maybe I'm up too early.
Anyway, it being Maine (?) then I wonder if this is not the Chebacco
that, in the last CN, is for sale, has a fixed keel instead of a
c/b? Also, I see two interesting things: a solar panel on the mizzen
mast (hmmm, to run all sorts of things, like what?) and a nifty
looking dingy (what kind?) in Chebacco's wake.
Cheers, Dick
the one that Richard Spelling built, with the comfy conning tower
(ahem) is the "cruising version." Or, maybe I'm up too early.
Anyway, it being Maine (?) then I wonder if this is not the Chebacco
that, in the last CN, is for sale, has a fixed keel instead of a
c/b? Also, I see two interesting things: a solar panel on the mizzen
mast (hmmm, to run all sorts of things, like what?) and a nifty
looking dingy (what kind?) in Chebacco's wake.
Cheers, Dick
Jeff,
The drascombe designer was John Watkinson. You might be able to find
some plans from someone at the UK Drascombe Association.
http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk/
They are a helpful group.
I'd also recommend lookin at the look of Welsford's 6m Whaler,
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/6m_whaler/index.htm
It is very similar to a lugger and supposedly sails close to the wind.
I sometimes consider making one myself.
Frank
The drascombe designer was John Watkinson. You might be able to find
some plans from someone at the UK Drascombe Association.
http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk/
They are a helpful group.
I'd also recommend lookin at the look of Welsford's 6m Whaler,
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/6m_whaler/index.htm
It is very similar to a lugger and supposedly sails close to the wind.
I sometimes consider making one myself.
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Comfrey <mike78612003@y...> wrote:
>
> I think his designs were intended for choppy coastal waters where
Bolger designs for fair weather sailor and smooth lake waters, I think
that is why you see the lee boards, This boat had lee boards, And the
lee boards worked very well in easy sailing conditions but very badly
in tidal waters and was hell when crossing the gulf stream last year,
there are permanently gone after that trip. But don't know how much
keel to add its place. But I will miss the shallow draft. The chine
runners seem to be a simple way to get the needed reduction in lee
drift without draft. How much draft does the Chebbaco have?
>
>
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> I would be very interested in a photo of the "Cruising Conversion"In photos in the Romayne folder is a picture of a cruising Chebacco
> for Chebacco. A friend of mine in Norway is attracted to the design
> itself and the shallow keel version especially
>
> Is the conversion available from PVB&F? Is there a write-up on it
> anywhere on the Net?
>
> Thanks, Nels
that I took in Bangor, ME last summer. This is not the cruising
conversion that Mr. Bolger drew but it is a keel version of the
design.
Romayne
Hi John
Can't remember what I might have said already, but we found some
longitudinal cracks on the front quarters of the mast, and a more
serious horizontal crack across the front just above the collar.
Chris came over to give me a hand, and we cut off a slab about 1 1/4
inches from the front of the mast, up about 7 feet. I cut a 12:1
slope at the top of this cut for the scarf, and we smoothed it with
plane and chisel. Chris had a not-bad spruce 2 x 8 that supplied the
new piece -- I cut it more or less to width, then planed a matching
12:1 slope at one end. Making everything fit took almost 3 hours,
but I got it all glued up with lots of clamps in the end.
Left it for a week, then took off the clamps and spent another few
hours trimming off all the spruce that didn't look like a mast. I
left the fore and aft dimension just a little fat, but not enough to
jam the boom jaws. Then I added chafing strips to the new wood, and
put on a coat of varnish. The old collar didn't fit as well on the
slightly out-of-round mast, so I made a turk's head with 5/16 inch
line where the collar used to be. Not sure what I'll do for the long
term yet.
We tried out the repair and it looks/works fine, but we haven't
tested it in anything strong. I've been doing other stuff lately,
not a lot of sailing. Hoping to make up a shelter for her this year
that will let me do some decent maintenance in the rainy season.
Cheers,
Jamie
Can't remember what I might have said already, but we found some
longitudinal cracks on the front quarters of the mast, and a more
serious horizontal crack across the front just above the collar.
Chris came over to give me a hand, and we cut off a slab about 1 1/4
inches from the front of the mast, up about 7 feet. I cut a 12:1
slope at the top of this cut for the scarf, and we smoothed it with
plane and chisel. Chris had a not-bad spruce 2 x 8 that supplied the
new piece -- I cut it more or less to width, then planed a matching
12:1 slope at one end. Making everything fit took almost 3 hours,
but I got it all glued up with lots of clamps in the end.
Left it for a week, then took off the clamps and spent another few
hours trimming off all the spruce that didn't look like a mast. I
left the fore and aft dimension just a little fat, but not enough to
jam the boom jaws. Then I added chafing strips to the new wood, and
put on a coat of varnish. The old collar didn't fit as well on the
slightly out-of-round mast, so I made a turk's head with 5/16 inch
line where the collar used to be. Not sure what I'll do for the long
term yet.
We tried out the repair and it looks/works fine, but we haven't
tested it in anything strong. I've been doing other stuff lately,
not a lot of sailing. Hoping to make up a shelter for her this year
that will let me do some decent maintenance in the rainy season.
Cheers,
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> Speaking of masts, how's the saga of your split mainmast coming
along,
> Jamie? I guess you got home all right. Have you figured out how to
fix it?
>
> John <jkohnen@b...>
>http://www.boat-links.com/
> The trouble with the school of experience
> is that the graduates are too old to go to work. <Henry Ford>
Hi again
If you're asking about the chafe from the boom jaws that I mentioned,
I meant the main mast, there's no chafe problem on the mizzen at
all. But yes, leather would probably work on the main.
I think I saw a question about draft? It's one foot with the board
up, and four feet with it all the way down.
Jamie
If you're asking about the chafe from the boom jaws that I mentioned,
I meant the main mast, there's no chafe problem on the mizzen at
all. But yes, leather would probably work on the main.
I think I saw a question about draft? It's one foot with the board
up, and four feet with it all the way down.
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Comfrey <mike78612003@y...> wrote:
> do you think a leather boot around the mizzen would solve that
problem.
>
>
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what model do you want to buy the plans from?
I still have some unused plans for plywoodconstruction.
a drascombefan from belgium
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Comfrey
<mike78612003@y...> wrote:
love to look them over before I decide which design to build. I
contacted the drascombe in UK but they said they don't carry the
plans for sale any longer
I still have some unused plans for plywoodconstruction.
a drascombefan from belgium
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> ?????? where to get the plans to drascombe, I have lookedeverywhere, but since his death I can 'not find a set and I would
love to look them over before I decide which design to build. I
contacted the drascombe in UK but they said they don't carry the
plans for sale any longer
>
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Richard Spelling built the first one. He will certainly chime in
here. Check outhttp://www.chebacco.comfor lots of information.
JB
here. Check outhttp://www.chebacco.comfor lots of information.
JB
> Hi Roger,
>
> I would be very interested in a photo of the "Cruising Conversion" for
> Chebacco. A friend of mine in Norway is attracted to the design itself
> and the shallow keel version especially
>
> Is the conversion available from PVB&F? Is there a write-up on it
> anywhere on the Net?
>
> Thanks, Nels
>
Hi Roger,
I would be very interested in a photo of the "Cruising Conversion"
for Chebacco. A friend of mine in Norway is attracted to the design
itself and the shallow keel version especially
Is the conversion available from PVB&F? Is there a write-up on it
anywhere on the Net?
Thanks, Nels
I would be very interested in a photo of the "Cruising Conversion"
for Chebacco. A friend of mine in Norway is attracted to the design
itself and the shallow keel version especially
Is the conversion available from PVB&F? Is there a write-up on it
anywhere on the Net?
Thanks, Nels
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> Note though that BWOM doesn't include the "Cruising Conversion"
which I
> like.
>
> Photo available on request.
>
> Roger
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Note though that BWOM doesn't include the "Cruising Conversion" which I
like.
Photo available on request.
Roger
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like.
Photo available on request.
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> --- Jeff Comfrey <mike78612003@y...> wrote:
> Check out the Chebacco if you can,, can it be built with either
> type of board
>
> There are at least 6 versions of the Chebacco that Mr. Bolger has
> drawn - all are centerboard (in the center) except for a ballast keel
> version that he drew for use on San Francisco Bay. There is no
> leeboard version that I know of. See Boats With an Open Mind.
--- Jeff Comfrey <mike78612003@y...> wrote:
Check out the Chebacco if you can,, can it be built with either
type of board
Jeff
There are at least 6 versions of the Chebacco that Mr. Bolger has
drawn - all are centerboard (in the center) except for a ballast keel
version that he drew for use on San Francisco Bay. There is no
leeboard version that I know of. See Boats With an Open Mind.
Romayne
Check out the Chebacco if you can,, can it be built with either
type of board
Jeff
There are at least 6 versions of the Chebacco that Mr. Bolger has
drawn - all are centerboard (in the center) except for a ballast keel
version that he drew for use on San Francisco Bay. There is no
leeboard version that I know of. See Boats With an Open Mind.
Romayne
> The chebacco seems like good choice, but I am hesitate where themizzen spar leans into the mast like that looks like a good, --wear
down to nothing point on the mast--.
Jeff,
In a couple of thousand miles of sailing my Chebacco the mizzen mast
and the sprit have only worn each other through the varnish - not to
worry. Add a layer of glass and they would probably last forever.
Romayne
Richard:
we have anything to fear in that regard: unlike other designers
whose designs have gone out of print after their deaths, Phil is
married to another boat designer. I suspect that we won't just
have PCB's designs continue to be available afterwards, we'll have
new ones from Susanne....
--
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> I hope something similar doesn't happen when Phil passes awayI also wish PCB long life and good health, but I don't think that
> (may it be a long time from now!)
we have anything to fear in that regard: unlike other designers
whose designs have gone out of print after their deaths, Phil is
married to another boat designer. I suspect that we won't just
have PCB's designs continue to be available afterwards, we'll have
new ones from Susanne....
--
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I hope something similar doesn't happen when Phil passes away (may it be a long time from now!)
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Subject: Re: [bolger] The "designer" is dead?
> ?????? where to get the plans to drascombe, I have looked everywhere, but since his death I can 'not find a set and I would love
to look them over before I decide which design to build. I contacted the drascombe in UK but they said they don't carry the plans
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> ?????? where to get the plans to drascombe...Have you looked at the Selway Fisher "Highlander" designs as an
alternate? Or maybe something from Iain Oughtred?
Peter
excellant reference point made, if you look at the boat side view, in the water, is the same amount the leeboard sticks down in the water , ( as depth past the keel) clear of the hull the same amount that a centerboard would need to be??? or are centerbaords and dagger boards calculated differently.
But the if the same amount of (area of board that is) in the water is needed I would need a center board that goes down an addionatioal 20 inches than the keel is now. How is the depth of a ceterboard or lee board calculated ???. Check out the Chebacco if you can,, can it be built with either type of board
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But the if the same amount of (area of board that is) in the water is needed I would need a center board that goes down an addionatioal 20 inches than the keel is now. How is the depth of a ceterboard or lee board calculated ???. Check out the Chebacco if you can,, can it be built with either type of board
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Jeff Comfrey wrote:
weather and smooth lake waters". I've had my Black Skimmer out of Boston
in fairly high wind and and strong sea. I've used her in Buzzards Bay
south of Cape Cod where almost every afternoon the wind pipes up and
funnels up an increasingly shoal area producing a steep chop and if the
tide is against it a very rough sea.
My leeboards were attached by rope beckets which twisted taut when the
board was down. It seemed that the method was successful because the
harder the wind blew or the more the forces pushed her off to leeward,
the better the leeboard rig worked. It took a little getting used to the
idea of the weather board just idly floating up to the surface and
flopping along beside the boat - very unseamanlike that - but if that
really bothered, and the planned tack was long enough, I used a three
foot long hook to catch the leeboard and lift it up into its rest.
To be sure, a fair amount of Phil's and Suzanne's output is suitable for
river and lake use but lets remember that a well built boat can take
more, usually much more, than its human inhabitants can. I did find that
the leeboards were really only comfortable from a beam reach to close
hauled. Anything further off the wind it probably was better to lift
both boards. That way the surge didn't have a chance to frequently bring
the board up against the hull with a bang.
An off center centerboard might be a better solution than giving up the
shoal draft capability. Is your boat laid out in such a way that the
front of a berth could also be one side of a trunk for a board? That
might be one way to accommodate a board but still not have it be too
intrusive in the cabin.
Just a thought,
Jim
>I think that it might be an error to classify PCB's work as for "fair
> I think his designs were intended for choppy coastal waters where
> Bolger designs for fair weather sailor and smooth lake waters, I think
> that is why you see the lee boards, This boat had lee boards, And the
> lee boards worked very well in easy sailing conditions but very badly
> in tidal waters and was hell when crossing the gulf stream last year,
> there are permanently gone after that trip. But don't know how much
> keel to add its place. But I will miss the shallow draft. The chine
> runners seem to be a simple way to get the needed reduction in lee
> drift without draft. How much draft does the Chebbaco have?
>
>
weather and smooth lake waters". I've had my Black Skimmer out of Boston
in fairly high wind and and strong sea. I've used her in Buzzards Bay
south of Cape Cod where almost every afternoon the wind pipes up and
funnels up an increasingly shoal area producing a steep chop and if the
tide is against it a very rough sea.
My leeboards were attached by rope beckets which twisted taut when the
board was down. It seemed that the method was successful because the
harder the wind blew or the more the forces pushed her off to leeward,
the better the leeboard rig worked. It took a little getting used to the
idea of the weather board just idly floating up to the surface and
flopping along beside the boat - very unseamanlike that - but if that
really bothered, and the planned tack was long enough, I used a three
foot long hook to catch the leeboard and lift it up into its rest.
To be sure, a fair amount of Phil's and Suzanne's output is suitable for
river and lake use but lets remember that a well built boat can take
more, usually much more, than its human inhabitants can. I did find that
the leeboards were really only comfortable from a beam reach to close
hauled. Anything further off the wind it probably was better to lift
both boards. That way the surge didn't have a chance to frequently bring
the board up against the hull with a bang.
An off center centerboard might be a better solution than giving up the
shoal draft capability. Is your boat laid out in such a way that the
front of a berth could also be one side of a trunk for a board? That
might be one way to accommodate a board but still not have it be too
intrusive in the cabin.
Just a thought,
Jim
What problem?
Roger
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> do you think a leather boot around the mizzen would solve that problem.
Speaking of masts, how's the saga of your split mainmast coming along,
Jamie? I guess you got home all right. Have you figured out how to fix it?
Jamie? I guess you got home all right. Have you figured out how to fix it?
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:44:18 -0000, Jamie wrote:
> Three years of sailing hasn't rubbed off the varnish on either the
> mizzen mast or sprit boom on Wayward Lass. No need to worry about
> it. The only place I've had any wear on the spars is where the boom
> (but not gaff) jaws go around the mast -- you may want to put some
> protection on there.
> ...
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?????? where to get the plans to drascombe, I have looked everywhere, but since his death I can 'not find a set and I would love to look them over before I decide which design to build. I contacted the drascombe in UK but they said they don't carry the plans for sale any longer
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I think his designs were intended for choppy coastal waters where Bolger designs for fair weather sailor and smooth lake waters, I think that is why you see the lee boards, This boat had lee boards, And the lee boards worked very well in easy sailing conditions but very badly in tidal waters and was hell when crossing the gulf stream last year, there are permanently gone after that trip. But don't know how much keel to add its place. But I will miss the shallow draft. The chine runners seem to be a simple way to get the needed reduction in lee drift without draft. How much draft does the Chebbaco have?
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No, not Bolger, I meant the designer of the Drascombe Lugger! Sorry,
I couldn't remember his name. I haven't got it in front of me right
now, but I think it is/was John Watkinson.
Jamie
I couldn't remember his name. I haven't got it in front of me right
now, but I think it is/was John Watkinson.
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> Which designer are you referring to, I hope its not Bolger?? !!!
>
> paul_romayne <paul_romayne@y...> wrote:<The plans were available
from the designers widow> !!!!!!????????
>
> Huh? The "designer" is dead? When did that happen?
>
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Three years of sailing hasn't rubbed off the varnish on either the
mizzen mast or sprit boom on Wayward Lass. No need to worry about
it. The only place I've had any wear on the spars is where the boom
(but not gaff) jaws go around the mast -- you may want to put some
protection on there.
Chebaccos rock, go for it.
Jamie
mizzen mast or sprit boom on Wayward Lass. No need to worry about
it. The only place I've had any wear on the spars is where the boom
(but not gaff) jaws go around the mast -- you may want to put some
protection on there.
Chebaccos rock, go for it.
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Comfrey <mike78612003@y...> wrote:
> The chebacco seems like good choice, but I am hesitate where the
mizzen spar leans into the mast like that looks like a good, --wear
down to nothing point on the mast--.
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Which designer are you referring to, I hope its not Bolger?? !!!
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Huh? The "designer" is dead? When did that happen?
Romayne
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<The plans were available from the designers widow> !!!!!!????????
Huh? The "designer" is dead? When did that happen?
Romayne
Huh? The "designer" is dead? When did that happen?
Romayne
The mizzen sprit will rub the mast on port tack. It's just a 7' length of
2x2, but it would seem simple to add a leather chafing sleeve to the sprit
or put a layer/wrap of fiberglass on the mast in that area. The 27 sq-ft of
the mizzen won't be generating major stresses.
How many circumnavigations did you plan between re-varnishings?
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2x2, but it would seem simple to add a leather chafing sleeve to the sprit
or put a layer/wrap of fiberglass on the mast in that area. The 27 sq-ft of
the mizzen won't be generating major stresses.
How many circumnavigations did you plan between re-varnishings?
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> The chebacco seems like good choice, but I am hesitate
> where the mizzen spar leans into the mast like that looks
> like a good, --wear down to nothing point on the mast--.
The chebacco seems like good choice, but I am hesitate where the mizzen spar leans into the mast like that looks like a good, --wear down to nothing point on the mast--.
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Hi Jeff
I took 5 leisurely years to build, but others have done it in one.
Your time will depend on how much time you can spare, and whether you
can work year round, or if you're working inside etc. I wouldn't
plan for less than two unless you are very motivated.
My sheet plywood boat cost about Cdn$5000, or about US$3500, for all
materials, including sailcloth. Trailer and moter were extra.
I've never sailed a Drascombe, but I've been told by people who have
that they are not very fast or weatherly, mostly due to the rig.
I've also been told by other Chebacco sailors that a Chebacco will
easily outsail a Drascombe lugger.
The plans were available from the designers widow, but I believe the
righs were sold and so the plans are no longer available. I almost
bought a set, but spent the money elsewhere.
I see you've already been directed to the Chebacco site, that's the
best source of information as you can find -- all from Chebacco
builders and sailors.
Jamie Orr
I took 5 leisurely years to build, but others have done it in one.
Your time will depend on how much time you can spare, and whether you
can work year round, or if you're working inside etc. I wouldn't
plan for less than two unless you are very motivated.
My sheet plywood boat cost about Cdn$5000, or about US$3500, for all
materials, including sailcloth. Trailer and moter were extra.
I've never sailed a Drascombe, but I've been told by people who have
that they are not very fast or weatherly, mostly due to the rig.
I've also been told by other Chebacco sailors that a Chebacco will
easily outsail a Drascombe lugger.
The plans were available from the designers widow, but I believe the
righs were sold and so the plans are no longer available. I almost
bought a set, but spent the money elsewhere.
I see you've already been directed to the Chebacco site, that's the
best source of information as you can find -- all from Chebacco
builders and sailors.
Jamie Orr
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Comfrey <mike78612003@y...> wrote:
> any one building the Chebacco, is it anything close the Drascombe,
how long did it take to build the Chebacco and what cost.
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I'm still fairly early on in the process, but there is an on-going
expense and construction log on my web site at
www.people.vcu.edu/~wmjones
Follow the "Boatbuilding" link to get to the Chebacco pages. I'm a
few days behind on posting, so check back next week for updates.
Bill
expense and construction log on my web site at
www.people.vcu.edu/~wmjones
Follow the "Boatbuilding" link to get to the Chebacco pages. I'm a
few days behind on posting, so check back next week for updates.
Bill
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Comfrey <mike78612003@y...> wrote:
> there is some real craftsman ship work on that site. What a
treasure that boat must be to see in person. It looks so good I'm be
scared to put it in dirty water. so far how much has it cost to make
the chebacco
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> any one building the Chebacco, is it anything close the Drascombe,how long did it take to build the Chebacco and what cost.
I didn't know what a Drascombe was until now - just visited the
Drascombe Assoc. website. The Chebaccco is a catboat, hence more beam
and weight for its length than the Drascombe and, of course, no jib.
I built a Chebacco in four months working approximately 40 hour weeks
and had no assistance except for turnikng the hull over and
launching. It was slightly better than workboat finish. Total cost
including hull, sails, hardware, electronics, and safety gear was
about $6,000 US.
This is a very roomy boat for its size. She is a very forgiving and
balanced sailer.
Romayne
--- Jeff Comfrey wrote:
family of boats until I just Googled it.
The Chebacco seems similar, in looks
and function.
If you are mostly interested in a similar
functioning boat, consider also the Oldshoe,
one just up for sale on Bolger Yahoo Group,
Bolger4Sale at the bargain price of $400!
> any one building the Chebacco,I was unfamiliar with the "Drascombe"
> is it anything close the Drascombe?
family of boats until I just Googled it.
The Chebacco seems similar, in looks
and function.
If you are mostly interested in a similar
functioning boat, consider also the Oldshoe,
one just up for sale on Bolger Yahoo Group,
Bolger4Sale at the bargain price of $400!
I sailed a Drascombe longboat for years (the kind with no cabin).
http://homepage.mac.com/hollybird/Drascombe_NA/drascombeNA_types.html
Our longboat was an awesome boat and I loved it (dad still has it).
She can handle rough weather very well, but she is not very weatherly,
I only ever got 110 degrees between tacks.
Frank
http://homepage.mac.com/hollybird/Drascombe_NA/drascombeNA_types.html
Our longboat was an awesome boat and I loved it (dad still has it).
She can handle rough weather very well, but she is not very weatherly,
I only ever got 110 degrees between tacks.
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> > the Chebacco, is it anything close the Drascombe?
>
> Is there a plan on the web for the Drascombe, however vague or
> generalized? The details count for a lot.
>
> Based on memory, I think you would find the deck and cabin Chebacco
> to make it more of a project than the open Drascombe. They would be
> different in the water too. I think the Chebacco will be a much more
> spirited sailer, having a rig designed for daysailing in the US. The
> concept of the Drascombe is more for a rowing/sailing boat for the
> heavier conditions of the UK. I don't think anyone has come close to
> sailing a Chebacco around the world yet, and I bet PCB hopes no one
> will ever try. He did make a comment that he thinks it would take a
> hurricane to capsize a Chebacco, but I doubt he meant it as a well-
> considered statement to be taken literally; more of an off-hand
> comment.
>
> Peter
>
> Peter
> the Chebacco, is it anything close the Drascombe?Is there a plan on the web for the Drascombe, however vague or
generalized? The details count for a lot.
Based on memory, I think you would find the deck and cabin Chebacco
to make it more of a project than the open Drascombe. They would be
different in the water too. I think the Chebacco will be a much more
spirited sailer, having a rig designed for daysailing in the US. The
concept of the Drascombe is more for a rowing/sailing boat for the
heavier conditions of the UK. I don't think anyone has come close to
sailing a Chebacco around the world yet, and I bet PCB hopes no one
will ever try. He did make a comment that he thinks it would take a
hurricane to capsize a Chebacco, but I doubt he meant it as a well-
considered statement to be taken literally; more of an off-hand
comment.
Peter
Peter
there is some real craftsman ship work on that site. What a treasure that boat must be to see in person. It looks so good I'm be scared to put it in dirty water. so far how much has it cost to make the chebacco
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Jeff, check out the Chebacco website -- www.chebacco.com (I think).
You'll find lots of information about cost and time -- all wildly
variable. Make sure to review the older editions when Bill Samson
was running the website -- Richard has archived Bill's work. There
are many Chebacco owners/builders on the Yahoo site, so I expect you
can get lots of info. (I, for one, have been building for at least a
year with several years of interruptions.)
You'll find lots of information about cost and time -- all wildly
variable. Make sure to review the older editions when Bill Samson
was running the website -- Richard has archived Bill's work. There
are many Chebacco owners/builders on the Yahoo site, so I expect you
can get lots of info. (I, for one, have been building for at least a
year with several years of interruptions.)
I'm just getting started. Don't know "Drascombe." Won't have useable
numbers for time or cost (much material used from an aborted project and I
keep getting sidetracked.)
Note that "Chebacco" can be 20' or 25'; sheet ply or lapstrake; jib- or
gaff-headed main; and daysailer, motor sailor, or cruising conversion.
Check out
http://www.chebacco.com/and
http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/CHEBFAQ.html
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
numbers for time or cost (much material used from an aborted project and I
keep getting sidetracked.)
Note that "Chebacco" can be 20' or 25'; sheet ply or lapstrake; jib- or
gaff-headed main; and daysailer, motor sailor, or cruising conversion.
Check out
http://www.chebacco.com/and
http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/CHEBFAQ.html
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Comfrey" <mike78612003@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:26 PM
Subject: [bolger] Chebacco
> any one building the Chebacco, is it anything close the Drascombe, how
long did it take to build the Chebacco and what cost.
any one building the Chebacco, is it anything close the Drascombe, how long did it take to build the Chebacco and what cost.
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I've had mine over quite a bit. At least 45, I think, though it was probably
less, and just felt that way. Pushing the tiller over brought it back up, so
the tiller was still in the water.
I have the Cruiser, and it sits good and deep in the water, the transom is
almost touching. Also, the mast is farther forward then on the daysailer,
and I trim the centerboard back for neutral helm.
With this configuration it doesn't round up nearly as bad as I've heard the
daysailers do. Probably contributed to my being knocked way over by that
puff (which came directly from abeam, btw)
Interesting, it hung at about 45 for a couple of seconds before I moved the
tiller. They don't have a hard chine to dig in, and the sails start spilling
air and the centerboard starts spilling water at higher angles of heel.
That's why PCB says it would take hurricane force winds to knock it over.
If your mast and gaff are wood, thier floatation would help in a knockdown
too. Also, the pilothouse is supposed to help quite a bit. I've pleaded with
PCB&F to run the numbers for the pilot house Chebacco like they did for the
revised Martha Jane, to no effect.
I suspect the pilot hose gives it something like 120 degrees of stability,
using the SWAG method.
Now that I understand the mechanism, what I'm afraid of is breaking waves,
and I'll avoid them at all cost. Incidentaly, I always thought the boat
would ride up on the nearly verticle face of the wave and tip over.
Someone's reply to my thoughts on centerboard boats "skittering" away from
that made me realize its the water FALLING from the top of the wave and
slamming on the side of the boat that knocks it over. Scarry.
less, and just felt that way. Pushing the tiller over brought it back up, so
the tiller was still in the water.
I have the Cruiser, and it sits good and deep in the water, the transom is
almost touching. Also, the mast is farther forward then on the daysailer,
and I trim the centerboard back for neutral helm.
With this configuration it doesn't round up nearly as bad as I've heard the
daysailers do. Probably contributed to my being knocked way over by that
puff (which came directly from abeam, btw)
Interesting, it hung at about 45 for a couple of seconds before I moved the
tiller. They don't have a hard chine to dig in, and the sails start spilling
air and the centerboard starts spilling water at higher angles of heel.
That's why PCB says it would take hurricane force winds to knock it over.
If your mast and gaff are wood, thier floatation would help in a knockdown
too. Also, the pilothouse is supposed to help quite a bit. I've pleaded with
PCB&F to run the numbers for the pilot house Chebacco like they did for the
revised Martha Jane, to no effect.
I suspect the pilot hose gives it something like 120 degrees of stability,
using the SWAG method.
Now that I understand the mechanism, what I'm afraid of is breaking waves,
and I'll avoid them at all cost. Incidentaly, I always thought the boat
would ride up on the nearly verticle face of the wave and tip over.
Someone's reply to my thoughts on centerboard boats "skittering" away from
that made me realize its the water FALLING from the top of the wave and
slamming on the side of the boat that knocks it over. Scarry.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jas_orr" <jas_orr@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:41 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco
| I don't know of one being tipped (yet), but the general opinion is
| she would be hard to right again if she went all the way over. One
| of the old Chebacco News had a mathematical stability analysis that I
| never fully understood -- I think that also said recovery would be
| tough.
|
| PCB stated that it would take hurricane force winds or breaking waves
| to capsize a competently handled Chebacco. I've had to let the
| mainsheet go once, when I (lacking full competence) only had one reef
| in, in a two reef wind. Maybe in the interest of science I should
| have hung on?
|
| Jamie Orr
|
| --- In bolger@y..., "micro2001au" <mooneycolin@d...> wrote:
| >
| > Hi group,
| >
| > I fell in love with that picture of Chebacco on the "Sailing 101"
| > page of the website. Does anyone have any idea what sort of wind
| > speed she would handle on a beam reach sheeted in hard with one
| > person aboard? Is she self righting?
| >
| > Col Mooney, thinking of building Chebacco after Surf and
| > Micro.....must take my medication.....
|
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I don't know of one being tipped (yet), but the general opinion is
she would be hard to right again if she went all the way over. One
of the old Chebacco News had a mathematical stability analysis that I
never fully understood -- I think that also said recovery would be
tough.
PCB stated that it would take hurricane force winds or breaking waves
to capsize a competently handled Chebacco. I've had to let the
mainsheet go once, when I (lacking full competence) only had one reef
in, in a two reef wind. Maybe in the interest of science I should
have hung on?
Jamie Orr
she would be hard to right again if she went all the way over. One
of the old Chebacco News had a mathematical stability analysis that I
never fully understood -- I think that also said recovery would be
tough.
PCB stated that it would take hurricane force winds or breaking waves
to capsize a competently handled Chebacco. I've had to let the
mainsheet go once, when I (lacking full competence) only had one reef
in, in a two reef wind. Maybe in the interest of science I should
have hung on?
Jamie Orr
--- In bolger@y..., "micro2001au" <mooneycolin@d...> wrote:
>
> Hi group,
>
> I fell in love with that picture of Chebacco on the "Sailing 101"
> page of the website. Does anyone have any idea what sort of wind
> speed she would handle on a beam reach sheeted in hard with one
> person aboard? Is she self righting?
>
> Col Mooney, thinking of building Chebacco after Surf and
> Micro.....must take my medication.....
Re question one above, the answer to the wind speed query was further
down in the article. It pays to read the print as well as look at
the pictures....
down in the article. It pays to read the print as well as look at
the pictures....
Hi group,
I fell in love with that picture of Chebacco on the "Sailing 101"
page of the website. Does anyone have any idea what sort of wind
speed she would handle on a beam reach sheeted in hard with one
person aboard? Is she self righting?
Col Mooney, thinking of building Chebacco after Surf and
Micro.....must take my medication.....
I fell in love with that picture of Chebacco on the "Sailing 101"
page of the website. Does anyone have any idea what sort of wind
speed she would handle on a beam reach sheeted in hard with one
person aboard? Is she self righting?
Col Mooney, thinking of building Chebacco after Surf and
Micro.....must take my medication.....
Thanks Richard!
Bolgerados,
Check out the article by our own Jamie Orr about further travels
in his wonderful Chebacco,the"WAYWARD LASS".Just about makes me
regret not launching my Micro "LESTAT" and doing some cruising
myself........alas,the shipyard beckoned all summer long and will
continue to do so for some time.
Thanks for allowing me along to share your adventure Jamie,even
if it was only in my head.I almost got a wiff of salt air and spruce!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,rapidly approaching the turn-over date for WINDERMERE's
bottom,along the banks of the St.Lawrence Seaway........
Bolgerados,
Check out the article by our own Jamie Orr about further travels
in his wonderful Chebacco,the"WAYWARD LASS".Just about makes me
regret not launching my Micro "LESTAT" and doing some cruising
myself........alas,the shipyard beckoned all summer long and will
continue to do so for some time.
Thanks for allowing me along to share your adventure Jamie,even
if it was only in my head.I almost got a wiff of salt air and spruce!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,rapidly approaching the turn-over date for WINDERMERE's
bottom,along the banks of the St.Lawrence Seaway........
--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> New issue of Chebacco online.
New issue of Chebacco online.
New issue of Chebacco online athttp://www.chebacco.com
New issue of Chebacco online athttp://www.chebacco.com
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Richard:
I laughed, I cried, I read every word. Congratulations on a great issue! (I'm going to buy some stuff from those thriftymariner.com guys too.)
Chuck
I laughed, I cried, I read every word. Congratulations on a great issue! (I'm going to buy some stuff from those thriftymariner.com guys too.)
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Spelling
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com; Gregg
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 1:24 Bonham
Subject: [bolger] Chebacco
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In a message dated 01/31/2000 9:25:02 AM Central Standard Time,
BeardeJE@...writes:
<< ps Read Joe Coomer's Sailing in a Teaspoon of Water for a humourous and
insightful example of a healthy respect for the ocean. (Maybe save the
Perfect Storm for later) >>
Yes yes read this book...it's excellent! i have a copy on my bookshelf.....
larry
Palm Bay, Florida
http://hometown.aol.com/henryclann/Boats/amatureboats.index.htm
Remember; the Titanic was built by the professionals, but Noah's Ark by
amatuers!
BeardeJE@...writes:
<< ps Read Joe Coomer's Sailing in a Teaspoon of Water for a humourous and
insightful example of a healthy respect for the ocean. (Maybe save the
Perfect Storm for later) >>
Yes yes read this book...it's excellent! i have a copy on my bookshelf.....
larry
Palm Bay, Florida
http://hometown.aol.com/henryclann/Boats/amatureboats.index.htm
Remember; the Titanic was built by the professionals, but Noah's Ark by
amatuers!
>There are no detailed, step by step instructions for ChebaccoAh - Yes there are! I put together a little booklet of the steps, plus a
few photos, for PCB&F a year or so back. Nothing fancy - just an
elaboration of those in Chebacco News #2 plus a few pics - all in grainy
B&W!
Maybe PCB&F supply these with plan sets? [Phil, Susanne - is that correct?]
I've toyed with the idea of adding them to my website with colour images -
just laziness that's prevented me!
Cheers,
Bill
Here's most of what I said to Brad. Once again, costs are from memory -- on
the plus side, they're in Canadian $!
"I'm still working on my sails, so I haven't been sailing yet, only motoring
with a 5 horse motor.
As far as the design goes, I think it's very well suited to the West Coast.
Anywhere from Victoria to the north end of Vancouver Island qualifies as
sheltered. Also anywhere north of Queen Charlotte Sound, which is the only
exposed bit between here and Alaska -- and that can be crossed by sea
kayakers on a fair day. I was out in the boat yesterday for about 2 1/2
hours, only the second time its been in the water. I'm absolutely sold on
it, even without sailing it yet.
I built the sheet plywood version. I'd built a couple of 8 foot plywood
boats, and a couple of cedar strip canoes before, and the experience
probably helped, but I don't think its necessary. Read "Building the New
Instant Boats" a few times, and do each operation in your head before doing
it for real, and you'll do fine. Another good source of information is
Paysons book on Building the Instant Catboat -- its on his website at
http://www.instantboats.com/
There are no detailed, step by step instructions for Chebacco, but the
construction is given in the books above, you just have to transfer the
steps to similar pieces of different dimensions. And of course, any
Chebacco builder will be happy to describe how they did each step -- not
always the same way.
As far as cost goes, I didn't keep good records. I used 1/2 inch marine fir
ply, at anywhere from $56 to $70 a sheet, depending when I bought it, with
some 1/4 inch for the bilge panels and cabin roof (the thinner ply bends
much more easily, so I doubled it up to make 1/2 inch.) Maybe $1,450 for
ply altogether. It is possible to use cheaper ply, since its all sealed,
but we each make that decision for ourselves. Epoxy is the other expensive
material -- I used several types, and eventually came back to Cold Cure,
being the cheapest locally, and also the best suited to working in my
conditions -- often cool, in damp weather. Again, I never kept track, but I
probably went through at least 30 litres -- say $1,000, maybe more. I
glassed the deck, cabin top and cockpit, as well as the hull, which meant I
used more than some builders. You also need a good amount of dimensioned
lumber for all the framing, keel, and spars. Without sails, motor, and
trailer, I would estimate my cost at $3,500 - $4,000. That includes an
allowance for all the little bits and pieces, as well as supplies of
disposable paint brushes, vinyl gloves, the odd tool and so forth. However,
remember that I didn't keep track, so this is only an estimate.
I've been working on this for 4 years, but not very hard. I'm working
outside, under a tarp shelter, so I slack off when it's bad weather. I've
also got a family, so I have a lot of demands for my time (new kitchen,
drive the kids every weekend etc.) If you want to go sailing quickly and
cheaply, buy a used boat. If you want a really great hobby, build it!"
-----Original Message-----
From: chris [mailto:manta@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 2:52 PM
To:bolger@...
Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco
I hope the Jamie Orr replies on here.. as I too am studying a chebacco and
would love to here his response.... Chris Flynn "Flynn's Folly"
the plus side, they're in Canadian $!
"I'm still working on my sails, so I haven't been sailing yet, only motoring
with a 5 horse motor.
As far as the design goes, I think it's very well suited to the West Coast.
Anywhere from Victoria to the north end of Vancouver Island qualifies as
sheltered. Also anywhere north of Queen Charlotte Sound, which is the only
exposed bit between here and Alaska -- and that can be crossed by sea
kayakers on a fair day. I was out in the boat yesterday for about 2 1/2
hours, only the second time its been in the water. I'm absolutely sold on
it, even without sailing it yet.
I built the sheet plywood version. I'd built a couple of 8 foot plywood
boats, and a couple of cedar strip canoes before, and the experience
probably helped, but I don't think its necessary. Read "Building the New
Instant Boats" a few times, and do each operation in your head before doing
it for real, and you'll do fine. Another good source of information is
Paysons book on Building the Instant Catboat -- its on his website at
http://www.instantboats.com/
There are no detailed, step by step instructions for Chebacco, but the
construction is given in the books above, you just have to transfer the
steps to similar pieces of different dimensions. And of course, any
Chebacco builder will be happy to describe how they did each step -- not
always the same way.
As far as cost goes, I didn't keep good records. I used 1/2 inch marine fir
ply, at anywhere from $56 to $70 a sheet, depending when I bought it, with
some 1/4 inch for the bilge panels and cabin roof (the thinner ply bends
much more easily, so I doubled it up to make 1/2 inch.) Maybe $1,450 for
ply altogether. It is possible to use cheaper ply, since its all sealed,
but we each make that decision for ourselves. Epoxy is the other expensive
material -- I used several types, and eventually came back to Cold Cure,
being the cheapest locally, and also the best suited to working in my
conditions -- often cool, in damp weather. Again, I never kept track, but I
probably went through at least 30 litres -- say $1,000, maybe more. I
glassed the deck, cabin top and cockpit, as well as the hull, which meant I
used more than some builders. You also need a good amount of dimensioned
lumber for all the framing, keel, and spars. Without sails, motor, and
trailer, I would estimate my cost at $3,500 - $4,000. That includes an
allowance for all the little bits and pieces, as well as supplies of
disposable paint brushes, vinyl gloves, the odd tool and so forth. However,
remember that I didn't keep track, so this is only an estimate.
I've been working on this for 4 years, but not very hard. I'm working
outside, under a tarp shelter, so I slack off when it's bad weather. I've
also got a family, so I have a lot of demands for my time (new kitchen,
drive the kids every weekend etc.) If you want to go sailing quickly and
cheaply, buy a used boat. If you want a really great hobby, build it!"
-----Original Message-----
From: chris [mailto:manta@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 2:52 PM
To:bolger@...
Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco
I hope the Jamie Orr replies on here.. as I too am studying a chebacco and
would love to here his response.... Chris Flynn "Flynn's Folly"
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Hornseth <bhornseth@...>
To: <bolger@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:41 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco
> Whoops - I thought I was just sending the previous message to Jamie Orr.
My
> apologies for my technical incompetence.
>
> Brad Hornseth
>
> Brad Hornseth wrote:
>
> > > Dear Mr. Orr:
> >
> > I was given your name by Bill Samson as someone in "my neck of the
woods"
> > who had built a Chebacco. I have been reading the Chebacco news on and
off
> > for a year or so and it looks like a great design. I was wondering if
you
> > have kept track of the materials cost of constructing your boat as such
info
> > would be more meaningful to me than that of someone in another country
where
> > prices might be considerably different. Also, although I understand you
> > have only just completed your boat, I wondered if you have any feeling
for
> > how suitable she will be for sailing along our west coast. I understand
> > that the design is meant for "sheltered waters" but being a lake sailor
from
> > Alberta I am not really sure what that means as anything that has to do
with
> > the ocean seems by definition to be "unsheltered" to me.
> > I also am curious about your general experience building the boat. I do
not
> > have any boat building experience myself nor that much other experience
with
> > fine woodworking for that matter. I am more of a rough carpenter -
fences,
> > sheds that sort of thing.
> >
> > I f you have time, I would really appreciate anything you could tell me.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Brad Hornseth
> > Edmonton, Ab.
> >
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Bays, inlets, and coves along the Pacific and Atlantic coasts are by definition "sheltered". I find ocean generated wind off Nova Scotia's shores (south, east, west, and even Fundy) more consistant, predictable, and manageble, in general, than that encountered on inland lakes. Day sailing ,by choice, is usually a high presure activity. High presure systems (like low pressure systems) frequently generate winds that are too much fo small boats, so good judgement and close attention to marine forecasts are critical. Tides are also a major factor for costal sailing, esp. close to shore. Close proximity of high mountains along B.C.'s coast would also need to be taken into account. Some very interesting wind sheer can happen off of and around those peaks. All that said, if you do your homework, talk to people who've sailed the area, get into using charts big time, and become a weather fanatic, you can have tremendous fun exploring coastal waters. From what I've seen of the craft, Chebacco looks like a fine choice for the purpose. A friend of mine spent one summer sailing all the way around Vancouver Island in a lateen rigged Folboat cayak. Last I heard, he's still with us.
jeb, in the path of freezing rain on the Fundy shore
ps Read Joe Coomer's Sailing in a Teaspoon of Water for a humourous and insightful example of a healthy respect for the ocean. (Maybe save the Perfect Storm for later)
Bays, inlets, and coves along the Pacific and Atlantic coasts are by definition "sheltered". I find ocean generated wind off Nova Scotia's shores (south, east, west, and even Fundy) more consistant, predictable, and manageble, in general, than that encountered on inland lakes. Day sailing ,by choice, is usually a high presure activity. High presure systems (like low pressure systems) frequently generate winds that are too much fo small boats, so good judgement and close attention to marine forecasts are critical. Tides are also a major factor for costal sailing, esp. close to shore. Close proximity of high mountains along B.C.'s coast would also need to be taken into account. Some very interesting wind sheer can happen off of and around those peaks. All that said, if you do your homework, talk to people who've sailed the area, get into using charts big time, and become a weather fanatic, you can have tremendous fun exploring coastal waters. From what I've seen of the craft, Chebacco looks like a fine choice for the purpose. A friend of mine spent one summer sailing all the way around Vancouver Island in a lateen rigged Folboat cayak. Last I heard, he's still with us.
jeb, in the path of freezing rain on the Fundy shore
ps Read Joe Coomer's Sailing in a Teaspoon of Water for a humourous and insightful example of a healthy respect for the ocean. (Maybe save the Perfect Storm for later)
I hope the Jamie Orr replies on here.. as I too am studying a chebacco and
would love to here his response.... Chris Flynn "Flynn's Folly"
would love to here his response.... Chris Flynn "Flynn's Folly"
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Hornseth <bhornseth@...>
To: <bolger@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:41 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco
> Whoops - I thought I was just sending the previous message to Jamie Orr.
My
> apologies for my technical incompetence.
>
> Brad Hornseth
>
> Brad Hornseth wrote:
>
> > > Dear Mr. Orr:
> >
> > I was given your name by Bill Samson as someone in "my neck of the
woods"
> > who had built a Chebacco. I have been reading the Chebacco news on and
off
> > for a year or so and it looks like a great design. I was wondering if
you
> > have kept track of the materials cost of constructing your boat as such
info
> > would be more meaningful to me than that of someone in another country
where
> > prices might be considerably different. Also, although I understand you
> > have only just completed your boat, I wondered if you have any feeling
for
> > how suitable she will be for sailing along our west coast. I understand
> > that the design is meant for "sheltered waters" but being a lake sailor
from
> > Alberta I am not really sure what that means as anything that has to do
with
> > the ocean seems by definition to be "unsheltered" to me.
> > I also am curious about your general experience building the boat. I do
not
> > have any boat building experience myself nor that much other experience
with
> > fine woodworking for that matter. I am more of a rough carpenter -
fences,
> > sheds that sort of thing.
> >
> > I f you have time, I would really appreciate anything you could tell me.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Brad Hornseth
> > Edmonton, Ab.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Whoops - I thought I was just sending the previous message to Jamie Orr. My
apologies for my technical incompetence.
Brad Hornseth
Brad Hornseth wrote:
apologies for my technical incompetence.
Brad Hornseth
Brad Hornseth wrote:
> > Dear Mr. Orr:
>
> I was given your name by Bill Samson as someone in "my neck of the woods"
> who had built a Chebacco. I have been reading the Chebacco news on and off
> for a year or so and it looks like a great design. I was wondering if you
> have kept track of the materials cost of constructing your boat as such info
> would be more meaningful to me than that of someone in another country where
> prices might be considerably different. Also, although I understand you
> have only just completed your boat, I wondered if you have any feeling for
> how suitable she will be for sailing along our west coast. I understand
> that the design is meant for "sheltered waters" but being a lake sailor from
> Alberta I am not really sure what that means as anything that has to do with
> the ocean seems by definition to be "unsheltered" to me.
> I also am curious about your general experience building the boat. I do not
> have any boat building experience myself nor that much other experience with
> fine woodworking for that matter. I am more of a rough carpenter - fences,
> sheds that sort of thing.
>
> I f you have time, I would really appreciate anything you could tell me.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brad Hornseth
> Edmonton, Ab.
>
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> Dear Mr. Orr:I was given your name by Bill Samson as someone in "my neck of the woods"
who had built a Chebacco. I have been reading the Chebacco news on and off
for a year or so and it looks like a great design. I was wondering if you
have kept track of the materials cost of constructing your boat as such info
would be more meaningful to me than that of someone in another country where
prices might be considerably different. Also, although I understand you
have only just completed your boat, I wondered if you have any feeling for
how suitable she will be for sailing along our west coast. I understand
that the design is meant for "sheltered waters" but being a lake sailor from
Alberta I am not really sure what that means as anything that has to do with
the ocean seems by definition to be "unsheltered" to me.
I also am curious about your general experience building the boat. I do not
have any boat building experience myself nor that much other experience with
fine woodworking for that matter. I am more of a rough carpenter - fences,
sheds that sort of thing.
I f you have time, I would really appreciate anything you could tell me.
Thank you,
Brad Hornseth
Edmonton, Ab.