Re: Any Idaho's?

--- In bolger@y..., "sneakeasy2000" <sbosquette@c...> wrote:
> It puzzels me as well. The Turtle you mentioned really caught my
> attention. It was originally mentioned in a section on Tennessee
but
> is an Idaho hull modified. I have a Sneakeasy which is a great
boat
> but sometimes I wish it was a foot wider and 3 or 4 feet longer.
Oh
> my those are Idaho's dimensions!!! Just those added feet would
make
> a nice difference. If I was going to so it again I'd build Idaho.
> The additional cost would be small and the useability would be of
> real value.
>
> Steve Bosquette
Maybe it is a little help to me, I have the Sneakeasy and Tennesse
plans, just ordred the Idaho 31, Micro Trawler and the Micro, the
Sneakeasy and Tennesse look not so hard to built, I have still not
seen the Idaho 31 plans, but if it looks simple to me, I guess that
it will be that boat I will go ahead with, special after that I have
seen your wishes here.
Claus Jørgensen
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "cwgriesel" <cwgriesel@h...> wrote:
> > In pursuing Bolger's power sharpies, > Why not?
Je parle un peu de Francais, mais je ne comprend pas la phrase "house
of mothere's to be" en votre carte de egroup. Ques que ce la?

Ou en l'autre langue de mon pais: Or in the other language of my
country:

I speak a litte french, but I don't understand the phrase "maison de
meres faite" in you post. What is it anyhow?

You get decorating advice in a house foe wayward mothers?

Bruce Hector, in anglophone Kingston, knowing that any Quebecois will
know exactly how great my command of the French language is by my
horrendous grammar, spelling and general murder of the tongue just
exposed by ... moi.
I always use decorating by "maison de mères faite". Better work than
I could do at rock bottom pricing. I have been called color blind and
decoratively challanged when I use what I call "my own style" or lack
of it.

"Maison de mères faite" agaents are eveywhere and once you use them
you'll never go back to doing it by yourself.

John


--- In bolger@y..., "Harry W. James" <welshman@p...> wrote:
> I am thinking that the new folding camping chairs out of aluminum
and
> folding aluminum, table would be a comfortable and light weight way
to
> go. I just bought one of each from COSTCO and they are neat.
>
> HJ
>
>
> >
> > I can put in a wicker coffee table and a few wicker chairs and be
> > ready to go.
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > -
I am thinking that the new folding camping chairs out of aluminum and
folding aluminum, table would be a comfortable and light weight way to
go. I just bought one of each from COSTCO and they are neat.

HJ


>
> I can put in a wicker coffee table and a few wicker chairs and be
> ready to go.
>
> Charles
>
> -
I have an old Merc, 20hp. but I would like to use a 25hp Honda.
I can build 6'headroom - I'm 5'9"
The Idaho has a water closet and privacy curtain on the plans.

Is a Honda mechanical or electronic controls. Is a 20' steering cable
a problem? Jeff said he used hydraulics but his is longer.

The Idaho is sleeker and faster than Tennessee. The Tenn is a better
live aboard because of the extra width but the rocker slows it down.
I think the Idaho would be a better day boat and trailer boat.

I can put in a wicker coffee table and a few wicker chairs and be
ready to go.

Charles

--- In bolger@y..., Mark Albanese <marka@h...> wrote:
>
> What size engine do you contemplate?
>
> One more thought here. Is the net space between floorboards and
inside the roof really
> enough to stand up comfortably for you? Bolger himself has said
there's nothing worse than
> _almost_ full headroom.
>
> Mark
> I have sneakeasy plans and at first thought it would be the one to
> build but my wife said if I wanted her to go with me very far, I
> should have something big enough for a portapotti!

Tennessee?
Charles,

I was tempted to say before that I thought the Idaho, as is, seemed more like a larger
Sneakeasy than a scaled back Dakota. There'd be room for a portapotti in the smaller boat,
just maybe not sufficient privacy.

It's easy to see how with thicker planking and so on an Idaho could be made heavy enough
to have disappointing performance. With the 12 hp and perfect conditions, a 1200 pound
hull that shape will now just plane about 14 knots. The changes you're proposing don't
seem to affect it much. In appearance, you'll just trade that very sleek for a bit more
shippy look.

What size engine do you contemplate?

One more thought here. Is the net space between floorboards and inside the roof really
enough to stand up comfortably for you? Bolger himself has said there's nothing worse than
_almost_ full headroom.

Mark


chodges31711 wrote:
>
> I have sneakeasy plans and at first thought it would be the one to
> build but my wife said if I wanted her to go with me very far, I
> should have something big enough for a portapotti!
I do have a set of plans.
Vince Chew says the Dakota hull from the chine to the sheer is 39" at
the bow, about 36" midship, and 31" at the transom. There are the
Sneakeasy type beaver tail extensions aft of the transom. Dakota has
about 14" of rocker. At rest, the bottom is out of the water to back
around 5' from the bow.

The Idaho is 29.5" at the bow, 23.5" midship and 22" at the rear
where the beaver tail starts. The bottom is flat from stern to
midship, then starts to rise reaching a 4" rise at the bow. The top
of the bow is 11.5" higher than the stern. You can get the rear 16'
of side from one 4x8 – so 3 sheets for the whole side. If you
multiply the Dakota numbers by the length ratio (31' Idaho/38"
Dakota) to scale them they come out – 31.8",29.4",25.3". The rocker
makes the Dakota sheer higher still from the water line. So I don't
think raising the sheer line would hurt the Idaho's looks. The Dakota
with its proportionally higher sides certainly looks good.

The cabin is 10.5' long by 4'9" wide and the roof is 12.25' so 4'
high sides would not be out of proportion. Especially with big window
area.

I have sneakeasy plans and at first thought it would be the one to
build but my wife said if I wanted her to go with me very far, I
should have something big enough for a portapotti!

Charles



--- In bolger@y..., Mark Albanese <marka@h...> wrote:
> So much the better! Scaling roughly from the screen I thought the
sides were probably
> straight cuts down the middle of the sheet to net 24".
>
> You must have the plans already then.
> Mark
>
So much the better! Scaling roughly from the screen I thought the sides were probably
straight cuts down the middle of the sheet to net 24".

You must have the plans already then.
Mark

chodges31711 wrote:

> Each hull side requires 4- 4x8 sheets. There is room to add 6"
> without needing more wood. Adding 12" to the cabin side give you 4'
> from sheer to roof - just right for a 4x8.
> Bottom is two layers of 1/2", sides are 3/8"
> Charles
I've seen the Turtle picture. I has a raised sheer a the rear part as
well as more at the front I think. I saw an article about it and the
builder somewhere. It had some connection with Turtle Lake. That's
where the name came from??
The Idaho bottom is 5' wide. With 5x8 plywood there would be little
scrap but with 4x8 turned sideways there are a lot ot 3' scraps.
Locally I was told that I could get 5x8 if I ordered a bundle of 66
sheets!
Each hull side requires 4- 4x8 sheets. There is room to add 6"
without needing more wood. Adding 12" to the cabin side give you 4'
from sheer to roof - just right for a 4x8.
Bottom is two layers of 1/2", sides are 3/8"
Charles

--- In bolger@y..., Mark Albanese <marka@h...> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Anyway, she's a handsome boat that Turtle.
>
> Sure is, Bruce, sure is.
> Mark
> Anyway, she's a handsome boat that Turtle.

Sure is, Bruce, sure is.
Mark
Charles,


I think you could make these upperwork additions with the weight of just a couple of
sheets of plywood extra, so not much penalty on stability; nor on the speed, if you add
just another few horsepower. You might be wasting a lot more plywood scrap though. That
sheet use diagram will be masterfully tight. The bottom is probably planned for 1" thick
already, so it may not really need to get any heavier there.

I can't speculate on the effect for windage.

When you really need to stand up, then perhaps you'd like a slot top. That's an easy one.

Mark

chodges31711 wrote:
>
> Mark,
> Since you have seen it... Do you think the cabin top is high enough
> inside? I was designed for a wheelchair and the head room is about
> 4.5 feet. The side from chine to sheer is about 6 inches lower than a
> Dakota would be if scaled down to 31' long (3/4 scale Dakota).
>
> If you raise the sheer 6 inches and the cabin side 12 inches you
> could get 6' head room. It would then look more like a 3/4 scale
> Dakota but less low and sleek. What do you think? Would it affect
> stability? You could add another layer of plywood to the bottom for
> more weight down low.
> Charles
>
Charles, have you seen the "Idaho like boat" in the files section of
this group. it's the very last file, scroll waaaaaay down. I think
it's the one PB was talking about in some article (MAIB maybe) where
he comented that an Idaho builder had added to much weight (I don't
recall it was the height he was concerned with) and then complained
that the boat did not handle or perform as promised. Anyway, she's a
hansome boat that Turtle.
Mark,
Since you have seen it... Do you think the cabin top is high enough
inside? I was designed for a wheelchair and the head room is about
4.5 feet. The side from chine to sheer is about 6 inches lower than a
Dakota would be if scaled down to 31' long (3/4 scale Dakota).

If you raise the sheer 6 inches and the cabin side 12 inches you
could get 6' head room. It would then look more like a 3/4 scale
Dakota but less low and sleek. What do you think? Would it affect
stability? You could add another layer of plywood to the bottom for
more weight down low.
Charles

--- In bolger@y..., Mark Albanese <marka@h...> wrote:
> That is baffling. I've seen Bernie's in the flesh and it is a very
nice boat for weekend
> river cruising. The cabin is huge, light and airy. The power
requirements are very modest.
--- In bolger@y..., "cwgriesel" <cwgriesel@h...> wrote:

>
> Is there somewhere on the web to learn more about the Topaz?

There is a reprint of the MAIB article
describing Topaz in the files
section of our group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Topaz/

Brad Raby, who used to be a contributor to
the group, built one. I was
privileged to get about a one hour ride in
it. He had it on a chain of
lakes in northern Michigan. It cruised at an
easy 10 knots with a 75hp
Honda 4 cycle. It left very little wake, was
quiet, and handled smartly.
He felt that it did not need as big a motor
as he had on it. Brad built
a trailer for his Topaz and hauled it to
Florida where he has a lot on a
canal off Lake Okeechobee.
Mark Albanese wrote:
>
> That is baffling. I've seen Bernie's in the flesh and it is a very nice boat for weekend
> river cruising. The cabin is huge, light and airy. The power requirements are very modest.
> It's about as easy as can be expected to build for such a large boat. And though there's
> no accounting for taste, it's awfully good looking to me.
>
> It's hard to tuck away out of sight of the neighbors, but that alone hasn't stopped many
> from building other boats the size or larger. That solved, many would think it's tough to
> trailer, though that is wrong.
>
> It's easier on the wallet than either a 150 hp Bayliner or a $20k, spruced up aluminum
> jonboat which are very popular around here, though both might be an easier sell to your
> financier. Home builders probably tend to pay for boats as they go along from out of
> pocket or on the credit card.
>
> Prejudice? On Tennessee, PCB wrote, "The fad for outboard cruisers came and went." Too bad.
>
> Hey someone with funds, the room, a decent truck and lots of inclination! If you really
> build it and buy your set from PB&F, I'll chip in for plans.
>
> Mark
>
> brucehector wrote:
> >
> > It's hard to believe that with PB&F, CSD and/or CSB selling Idaho
> > plans for over 20 years (???) that the only one ever built and
> > photographed on the net is the one on Common Sense Boats own web
> > page. Go figure, huh?
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Though not a square boat, for someone wanting a similar but smaller boat than Idaho or a
bigger one than Cabin Clam Skiff, don't forget ( in the Power Sharpies folder )

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Power%20Sharpies/cruiser2.gif
A scan of the SBJ text is also there.

The hull could come from just six sheets of plywood.

Mark
That is baffling. I've seen Bernie's in the flesh and it is a very nice boat for weekend
river cruising. The cabin is huge, light and airy. The power requirements are very modest.
It's about as easy as can be expected to build for such a large boat. And though there's
no accounting for taste, it's awfully good looking to me.

It's hard to tuck away out of sight of the neighbors, but that alone hasn't stopped many
from building other boats the size or larger. That solved, many would think it's tough to
trailer, though that is wrong.

It's easier on the wallet than either a 150 hp Bayliner or a $20k, spruced up aluminum
jonboat which are very popular around here, though both might be an easier sell to your
financier. Home builders probably tend to pay for boats as they go along from out of
pocket or on the credit card.

Prejudice? On Tennessee, PCB wrote, "The fad for outboard cruisers came and went." Too bad.

Hey someone with funds, the room, a decent truck and lots of inclination! If you really
build it and buy your set from PB&F, I'll chip in for plans.

Mark

brucehector wrote:
>
> It's hard to believe that with PB&F, CSD and/or CSB selling Idaho
> plans for over 20 years (???) that the only one ever built and
> photographed on the net is the one on Common Sense Boats own web
> page. Go figure, huh?
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
It's hard to believe that with PB&F, CSD and/or CSB selling Idaho
plans for over 20 years (???) that the only one ever built and
photographed on the net is the one on Common Sense Boats own web
page. Go figure, huh?
There is a reprint of the MAIB article describing Topaz in the files
section of our group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Topaz/

Brad Raby, who used to be a contributor to the group, built one. I was
privileged to get about a one hour ride in it. He had it on a chain of
lakes in northern Michigan. It cruised at an easy 10 knots with a 75hp
Honda 4 cycle. It left very little wake, was quiet, and handled smartly.
He felt that it did not need as big a motor as he had on it. Brad built
a trailer for his Topaz and hauled it to Florida where he has a lot on a
canal off Lake Okeechobee.

There used to be a series of Brad's construction photos on "duckworks":

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/

but when I looked this evening, I learned that the file no longer exists
at that site. If you do a search of the archives of the Bolger group 3
or 4 years back, you should find several postings from Brad during the
construction and early trials of his Topaz.

BTW, you should check out the Duckworksmagazine site anyway. There are
lots of great articles and project photos.

Vince Chew
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "chodges31711" <chodges@a...> wrote:
>
> > I have been thinking of building a Idaho for a day boat/picnic
> > cruiser. Used like a pontoon boat but prettier. 35 ft trailer but
> > only 1200 lbs.(or less) of boat.
>
> Another boat that fits this bill, is the Topaz, which IMO is
prettier.
> I recall that it is only 5 feet wide, which should make towing more
> easy.

Is there somewhere on the web to learn more about the Topaz?
--- In bolger@y..., "chodges31711" <chodges@a...> wrote:
> Idaho is 31' x 5'.

Yes, my mistake, it was Topaz, sorry.
Idaho is 31' x 5'. Construction is much simpler (quicker) and I
expect cheaper than Topaz. Topaz has some curves, Idaho is a sharpie
box.

> Another boat that fits this bill, is the Topaz, which IMO is
prettier.
> I recall that it is only 5 feet wide, which should make towing more
> easy.
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "chodges31711" <chodges@a...> wrote:
>
> > I have been thinking of building a Idaho for a day boat/picnic
> > cruiser. Used like a pontoon boat but prettier. 35 ft trailer but
> > only 1200 lbs.(or less) of boat.
>
> Another boat that fits this bill, is the Topaz, which IMO is
prettier.
> I recall that it is only 5 feet wide, which should make towing more
> easy.

Sorry, just have a look at the Files, it's 7'4" wide.
--- In bolger@y..., "chodges31711" <chodges@a...> wrote:

> I have been thinking of building a Idaho for a day boat/picnic
> cruiser. Used like a pontoon boat but prettier. 35 ft trailer but
> only 1200 lbs.(or less) of boat.

Another boat that fits this bill, is the Topaz, which IMO is prettier.
I recall that it is only 5 feet wide, which should make towing more
easy.
I have been thinking of building a Idaho for a day boat/picnic
cruiser. Used like a pontoon boat but prettier. 35 ft trailer but
only 1200 lbs.(or less) of boat.



--- In bolger@y..., "cwgriesel" <cwgriesel@h...> wrote:
> Maybe you are on to something. At 31 feet, maybe Idaho is just the
> wrong size. Too long to be trailered around as easily as the
> sneakeasy, but too short and skinny to have the workable living
> quarters you can get on a Wyoming.
Maybe you are on to something. At 31 feet, maybe Idaho is just the
wrong size. Too long to be trailered around as easily as the
sneakeasy, but too short and skinny to have the workable living
quarters you can get on a Wyoming.
It puzzels me as well. The Turtle you mentioned really caught my
attention. It was originally mentioned in a section on Tennessee but
is an Idaho hull modified. I have a Sneakeasy which is a great boat
but sometimes I wish it was a foot wider and 3 or 4 feet longer. Oh
my those are Idaho's dimensions!!! Just those added feet would make
a nice difference. If I was going to so it again I'd build Idaho.
The additional cost would be small and the useability would be of
real value.

Steve Bosquette

--- In bolger@y..., "cwgriesel" <cwgriesel@h...> wrote:
> In pursuing Bolger's power sharpies, > Why not?
Wyoming in progress.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "cwgriesel" <cwgriesel@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 9:05 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Any Idaho's?


> --- In bolger@y..., "jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> >http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Power_Boats/idaho.htm
> >
> >
> > I have a set of plans I've never used. Interested?
> >
> > Jeff
>
> I may be interested. Why did you decide not to build her?
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
>
--- In bolger@y..., "jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
>http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Power_Boats/idaho.htm
>
>
> I have a set of plans I've never used. Interested?
>
> Jeff

I may be interested. Why did you decide not to build her?
http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Power_Boats/idaho.htm


I have a set of plans I've never used. Interested?

Jeff
In pursuing Bolger's power sharpies, I've been trying to find
pictures or stories of someone who as built a Bolger Idaho. I've
found plenty of Tennessee's and Sneakeasy's, and have read with great
interest the Wyoming currently under construction. But never hear
about anyone building an Idaho. In all my searches I have found one
lonely picture of an Idaho named "Turtle" with no description. Other
than the web site that sells Idaho plans, there doesn't seem to be
any interest in that boat. Why not?