Re: [bolger] Dory designs
Point of clarification: The bulkheads in Blackberry are temporary. I
intended for builders to put in thwarts, but with a substantial breast hook
in the stem and knees on the transom, as well as stiff wales they aren't
absolutely necessary.
The boat pulls quite well -- not a fast as Sportdory, but still a satisfying
pulling boat. It is a lot more stable than Sportdory. For fishing, I'd
prefer Blackberry.
I don't think I'd take either boat in surf without being prepared to swim,
though.
JB
intended for builders to put in thwarts, but with a substantial breast hook
in the stem and knees on the transom, as well as stiff wales they aren't
absolutely necessary.
The boat pulls quite well -- not a fast as Sportdory, but still a satisfying
pulling boat. It is a lot more stable than Sportdory. For fishing, I'd
prefer Blackberry.
I don't think I'd take either boat in surf without being prepared to swim,
though.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
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Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Dory designs
| I looked at the blackberry design and I'd offer this comparison: Yes,
| the boat looks like it might be a bit more stable. It also looks like
| it wouldn't go as nicely when you pulled the oars. The blackberry has
| bulkheads that obstruct the bow and stern, the Gull has seats in the
| bow and stern.
I'll lend my 2 cents to both points:
1) The Gull's high, flairing bow is much, much better for going out
through the surf than say a Teal's lower, more vertical bow. When a
comber, or steep unbroken face hits the Teal it pours into the boat
before what buoyancy there is can lift the boat. If you don't put the
nose in, the Gull will go over anything you'd reasonably want to go
out through. I've noticed no unreasonable behavior as a result of
windage on the bow.
2) Tippy is a relative thing. Plenty of guys out here fish out of
kayaks. The Gull is certainly more stable than a kayak! Of course
it's less stable than a teal. It's also faster than either a kayak or
a teal. It also gets noticeably more stable as it gets loaded down,
but the bag limits here don't let that become a meaningful factor ;-)
I looked at the blackberry design and I'd offer this comparison: Yes,
the boat looks like it might be a bit more stable. It also looks like
it wouldn't go as nicely when you pulled the oars. The blackberry has
bulkheads that obstruct the bow and stern, the Gull has seats in the
bow and stern.
For a nice stable little fishboat, why not have a look at the Pointy
Skiff. Probably wouldn't be that much slower to row than the
Blackberry, and it would be even less tidly.
YIBB,
David
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1) The Gull's high, flairing bow is much, much better for going out
through the surf than say a Teal's lower, more vertical bow. When a
comber, or steep unbroken face hits the Teal it pours into the boat
before what buoyancy there is can lift the boat. If you don't put the
nose in, the Gull will go over anything you'd reasonably want to go
out through. I've noticed no unreasonable behavior as a result of
windage on the bow.
2) Tippy is a relative thing. Plenty of guys out here fish out of
kayaks. The Gull is certainly more stable than a kayak! Of course
it's less stable than a teal. It's also faster than either a kayak or
a teal. It also gets noticeably more stable as it gets loaded down,
but the bag limits here don't let that become a meaningful factor ;-)
I looked at the blackberry design and I'd offer this comparison: Yes,
the boat looks like it might be a bit more stable. It also looks like
it wouldn't go as nicely when you pulled the oars. The blackberry has
bulkheads that obstruct the bow and stern, the Gull has seats in the
bow and stern.
For a nice stable little fishboat, why not have a look at the Pointy
Skiff. Probably wouldn't be that much slower to row than the
Blackberry, and it would be even less tidly.
YIBB,
David
>The Gloucester Gull caught my eye too, and I memorized the book, butC.E.P.
>then several comments made me
>pause. The sport dory by Michalak is an attempt to catch less bow
>wind. I have an 18 foot saltwater
>fishing boat with a very high bow, and it turns and runs downwind
>like a sailboat. Is this a valid
>concern, those of you that built the Gloucester Gull Also, the thin
>and tippy bottom didn't seem too
>fitting for fishing usage, so I am leaning toward the Blackberry,
>(http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/designs/blackberry/).
>You who know better, chime in!
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The Gloucester Gull caught my eye too, and I memorized the book, but then several comments made me
pause. The sport dory by Michalak is an attempt to catch less bow wind. I have an 18 foot saltwater
fishing boat with a very high bow, and it turns and runs downwind like a sailboat. Is this a valid
concern, those of you that built the Gloucester Gull Also, the thin and tippy bottom didn't seem too
fitting for fishing usage, so I am leaning toward the Blackberry,
(http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/designs/blackberry/).
You who know better, chime in!
pause. The sport dory by Michalak is an attempt to catch less bow wind. I have an 18 foot saltwater
fishing boat with a very high bow, and it turns and runs downwind like a sailboat. Is this a valid
concern, those of you that built the Gloucester Gull Also, the thin and tippy bottom didn't seem too
fitting for fishing usage, so I am leaning toward the Blackberry,
(http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/designs/blackberry/).
You who know better, chime in!