[bolger] Re: Help! Which design...?
BO>From the Beth plan thumbnails she looks a lot like a sharpie... At any
BO>rate, having a 2'8" beam on 15'9" hull does not sound very stable. And
BO>how did they manage to keep weight of a 15'+ hull at 70 lb?
BO>alex
You'll find the designer's rundown on SquareBoats, at
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/beth.htm
The photos give a good feel for the stability. The stability is
achieved in exactly the same manner as for boats such as June Bug, a
dead flat (rockered) bottom, as in the thumbnails. The designer gives
due acknowledgement to the Bolger influences.
The weight is kept down by the use of gaboon (okoume) ply, light framing
timbers, and the avoidance of epoxy fillets, which are heavy (glued wood
instead). The boat is effectively a performance dinghy, ie a sports
car, and inevitably there is a premium which has to be paid for
first-class materials to produce the sports car. A utility on the other
hand should be a lot cheaper, will be heavier, and will lack the
sparkling performance even though for a utility it performs quite well.
Storer has also designed and had built canoes which weigh in at about 8
lbs. It depends on the materials, and lighter is more expensive,
always.
Tim & Flying Tadpole
BO>rate, having a 2'8" beam on 15'9" hull does not sound very stable. And
BO>how did they manage to keep weight of a 15'+ hull at 70 lb?
BO>alex
You'll find the designer's rundown on SquareBoats, at
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/beth.htm
The photos give a good feel for the stability. The stability is
achieved in exactly the same manner as for boats such as June Bug, a
dead flat (rockered) bottom, as in the thumbnails. The designer gives
due acknowledgement to the Bolger influences.
The weight is kept down by the use of gaboon (okoume) ply, light framing
timbers, and the avoidance of epoxy fillets, which are heavy (glued wood
instead). The boat is effectively a performance dinghy, ie a sports
car, and inevitably there is a premium which has to be paid for
first-class materials to produce the sports car. A utility on the other
hand should be a lot cheaper, will be heavier, and will lack the
sparkling performance even though for a utility it performs quite well.
Storer has also designed and had built canoes which weigh in at about 8
lbs. It depends on the materials, and lighter is more expensive,
always.
Tim & Flying Tadpole
BO>Hi all---New member here, coming over for a visit from the openboats
BO>list. I have been looking around on the web and in libraries for an
BO>exhaustive compendium of Bolger designs, and have found (to my
BO>surprise) nothing! Is there one somewhere that I have missed?
There is no exhaustive compendium. The longest semi-complete
compendiums, each with links either direct or secondary (ie through a
direct link) are athttp://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sites2.htmand at
http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/boats.html
Both however only access boats for which examples are present on the
web.
Tim & Flying Tadpole
BO>list. I have been looking around on the web and in libraries for an
BO>exhaustive compendium of Bolger designs, and have found (to my
BO>surprise) nothing! Is there one somewhere that I have missed?
There is no exhaustive compendium. The longest semi-complete
compendiums, each with links either direct or secondary (ie through a
direct link) are athttp://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sites2.htmand at
http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/boats.html
Both however only access boats for which examples are present on the
web.
Tim & Flying Tadpole
Date sent: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:07:20 -0800
From: "alex" <alexm@...>
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REPEAT not a beginners boat. In strong breezes some skill is
needed....not for a tyro sailer"...etc.
So obviously she is not very stable.
Don
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Subject: [bolger] Re: Help! Which design...?
> From the Beth plan thumbnails she looks a lot like a sharpie... At anyAlex, if you read the web site thoroughly, the designer says..."NOT
> rate, having a 2'8" beam on 15'9" hull does not sound very stable. And
> how did they manage to keep weight of a 15'+ hull at 70 lb?
>
> alex
REPEAT not a beginners boat. In strong breezes some skill is
needed....not for a tyro sailer"...etc.
So obviously she is not very stable.
Don
Alex:
If you can, get a copy of Wooden Boat issue #103 (Nov-Dec, 1991). Beginning
on page 64, is an article which features Michael Storer and Beth with some
nice pictures of both.
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
If you can, get a copy of Wooden Boat issue #103 (Nov-Dec, 1991). Beginning
on page 64, is an article which features Michael Storer and Beth with some
nice pictures of both.
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
----- Original Message -----
From: alex <alexm@...>
To: <bolger@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:07 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Help! Which design...?
> >From the Beth plan thumbnails she looks a lot like a sharpie... At any
> rate, having a 2'8" beam on 15'9" hull does not sound very stable. And
> how did they manage to keep weight of a 15'+ hull at 70 lb?
>
> alex
>
>
> "chuck leinweber" <duckwork-@...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2233
> > Jack:
> >
> > Here is Michael Storer's "Beth":
> >http://www.storerboatplans.bigstep.com/generic.jhtml?pid=5
> >
> > I found it by searching for Beth on the Duckworks Boat Index:
> >http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/boatindex/index.htm
> >
> > Chuck Leinweber
> > Duckworks Magazine
> >http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jack E. Bearden <bearden@...>
> > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:55 PM
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: Help! Which design...?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Greg, high likelyhood that PCB&F has a design suitable for your
> broad
> > > range of needs. Which prairie river are you tageting? Roughly 25
> yrs. ago
> > my
> > > wife, son and I did a 500 mile stretch of the North Saskachawan by
> canoe.
> > > Three solid weeks on the river. An amazing trip. A design that
> might be
> > > worth checking out is by a young designer in Australia. Can't
> remember his
> > > name but the boat is called Beth, and I think he calls the design
> > > Kamakazi(sp?). Its a very Bolgeresque 16ft canoe yawl. Working from
> a
> > laptop
> > > in a hotel room at the moment, so don't have the bookmark handy. If
> you're
> > > interested I'll track it down for you.
> > >
> > > jeb, now on the Fundy shore, but used to live at Schooner Cove,
> Wreck Bay,
> > > and Tofino Inlet
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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From the Beth plan thumbnails she looks a lot like a sharpie... At any
rate, having a 2'8" beam on 15'9" hull does not sound very stable. And
how did they manage to keep weight of a 15'+ hull at 70 lb?
alex
"chuck leinweber" <duckwork-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2233
rate, having a 2'8" beam on 15'9" hull does not sound very stable. And
how did they manage to keep weight of a 15'+ hull at 70 lb?
alex
"chuck leinweber" <duckwork-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2233
> Jack:broad
>
> Here is Michael Storer's "Beth":
>http://www.storerboatplans.bigstep.com/generic.jhtml?pid=5
>
> I found it by searching for Beth on the Duckworks Boat Index:
>http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/boatindex/index.htm
>
> Chuck Leinweber
> Duckworks Magazine
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack E. Bearden <bearden@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:55 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Help! Which design...?
>
>
> > Hi Greg, high likelyhood that PCB&F has a design suitable for your
> > range of needs. Which prairie river are you tageting? Roughly 25yrs. ago
> mycanoe.
> > wife, son and I did a 500 mile stretch of the North Saskachawan by
> > Three solid weeks on the river. An amazing trip. A design thatmight be
> > worth checking out is by a young designer in Australia. Can'tremember his
> > name but the boat is called Beth, and I think he calls the designa
> > Kamakazi(sp?). Its a very Bolgeresque 16ft canoe yawl. Working from
> laptopyou're
> > in a hotel room at the moment, so don't have the bookmark handy. If
> > interested I'll track it down for you.Wreck Bay,
> >
> > jeb, now on the Fundy shore, but used to live at Schooner Cove,
> > and Tofino Inlet
> >
> >
> >
Jack:
Here is Michael Storer's "Beth":
http://www.storerboatplans.bigstep.com/generic.jhtml?pid=5
I found it by searching for Beth on the Duckworks Boat Index:
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/boatindex/index.htm
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
Here is Michael Storer's "Beth":
http://www.storerboatplans.bigstep.com/generic.jhtml?pid=5
I found it by searching for Beth on the Duckworks Boat Index:
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/boatindex/index.htm
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack E. Bearden <bearden@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:55 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Help! Which design...?
> Hi Greg, high likelyhood that PCB&F has a design suitable for your broad
> range of needs. Which prairie river are you tageting? Roughly 25 yrs. ago
my
> wife, son and I did a 500 mile stretch of the North Saskachawan by canoe.
> Three solid weeks on the river. An amazing trip. A design that might be
> worth checking out is by a young designer in Australia. Can't remember his
> name but the boat is called Beth, and I think he calls the design
> Kamakazi(sp?). Its a very Bolgeresque 16ft canoe yawl. Working from a
laptop
> in a hotel room at the moment, so don't have the bookmark handy. If you're
> interested I'll track it down for you.
>
> jeb, now on the Fundy shore, but used to live at Schooner Cove, Wreck Bay,
> and Tofino Inlet
>
>
>
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Hi Greg, high likelyhood that PCB&F has a design suitable for your broad
range of needs. Which prairie river are you tageting? Roughly 25 yrs. ago my
wife, son and I did a 500 mile stretch of the North Saskachawan by canoe.
Three solid weeks on the river. An amazing trip. A design that might be
worth checking out is by a young designer in Australia. Can't remember his
name but the boat is called Beth, and I think he calls the design
Kamakazi(sp?). Its a very Bolgeresque 16ft canoe yawl. Working from a laptop
in a hotel room at the moment, so don't have the bookmark handy. If you're
interested I'll track it down for you.
jeb, now on the Fundy shore, but used to live at Schooner Cove, Wreck Bay,
and Tofino Inlet
range of needs. Which prairie river are you tageting? Roughly 25 yrs. ago my
wife, son and I did a 500 mile stretch of the North Saskachawan by canoe.
Three solid weeks on the river. An amazing trip. A design that might be
worth checking out is by a young designer in Australia. Can't remember his
name but the boat is called Beth, and I think he calls the design
Kamakazi(sp?). Its a very Bolgeresque 16ft canoe yawl. Working from a laptop
in a hotel room at the moment, so don't have the bookmark handy. If you're
interested I'll track it down for you.
jeb, now on the Fundy shore, but used to live at Schooner Cove, Wreck Bay,
and Tofino Inlet
Tim:
The Duckworks Boat Index:
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/boatindex/index.htm
also has quite a few Bolger links. I count thirty three. All you have to
do is search for "Bolger".
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
The Duckworks Boat Index:
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/boatindex/index.htm
also has quite a few Bolger links. I count thirty three. All you have to
do is search for "Bolger".
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
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From: <tjfatchen@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 1:10 PM
Subject: [bolger] Help! Which design...?
> BO>Hi all---New member here, coming over for a visit from the openboats
> BO>list. I have been looking around on the web and in libraries for an
> BO>exhaustive compendium of Bolger designs, and have found (to my
> BO>surprise) nothing! Is there one somewhere that I have missed?
>
> There is no exhaustive compendium. The longest semi-complete
> compendiums, each with links either direct or secondary (ie through a
> direct link) are athttp://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sites2.htmand at
>http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/boats.html
>
> Both however only access boats for which examples are present on the
> web.
>
> Tim & Flying Tadpole
>
>
>
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Hi all---New member here, coming over for a visit from the openboats
list. I have been looking around on the web and in libraries for an
exhaustive compendium of Bolger designs, and have found (to my
surprise) nothing! Is there one somewhere that I have missed?
As to the reason I'm looking: I'm planning a long trip next summer
with my girlfriend in a shallow prairie river, so I need a boat which
is: shallow-draft; rows well; sails well; is lightweight (there are two
dozen dams to portage around); carries gear for two; can be slept in by
two on occasion; and looks great, in a traditional way. Can someone
more familiar with Bolger's designs than me please recommend one or two
that will fit this bill?
Also, has the great one done any more fiddling with proas or
single-outrigger canoes? Another area of interest....
Many thanks in advance for your sagacious advice!
---Greg Blanchette
Ucluelet, BC
list. I have been looking around on the web and in libraries for an
exhaustive compendium of Bolger designs, and have found (to my
surprise) nothing! Is there one somewhere that I have missed?
As to the reason I'm looking: I'm planning a long trip next summer
with my girlfriend in a shallow prairie river, so I need a boat which
is: shallow-draft; rows well; sails well; is lightweight (there are two
dozen dams to portage around); carries gear for two; can be slept in by
two on occasion; and looks great, in a traditional way. Can someone
more familiar with Bolger's designs than me please recommend one or two
that will fit this bill?
Also, has the great one done any more fiddling with proas or
single-outrigger canoes? Another area of interest....
Many thanks in advance for your sagacious advice!
---Greg Blanchette
Ucluelet, BC