Re: what simple dinghy tows well?
Why not just tow a Brick? You could always stow a mast and boom for
side trips or put a small gas motor on it. With 875 lbs load capacity
it is the most voluminous 8' dingy around. Truly the dingy of the
iconoclastic, as Gregg Carlson once wrote, "it is virtually theft
proof". While not as pleasant to the eye as the others offered up for
consideration, the Brick has positive qualities making it the best
choice as far as simplicity and load handling.
I'm sure with an artistic finish the Bolger Brick would not look out
of place behind anyone's cruiser.
John
side trips or put a small gas motor on it. With 875 lbs load capacity
it is the most voluminous 8' dingy around. Truly the dingy of the
iconoclastic, as Gregg Carlson once wrote, "it is virtually theft
proof". While not as pleasant to the eye as the others offered up for
consideration, the Brick has positive qualities making it the best
choice as far as simplicity and load handling.
I'm sure with an artistic finish the Bolger Brick would not look out
of place behind anyone's cruiser.
John
--- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
> see below
> --- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> > Nymph makes a great dinghy. snip
> agreed
> >
> > Either are far better than any fibreglass dinghy. I had one,
weighed
> > a ton, rowed like a barrel and tracked like a stuck pig. But the
> > uniformed like them to tow behind their FG palaces.
> I think the Dyer dinghies are pretty good, but they are expensive
and
> heavy. I have fond memories. First sailing lesson was in one. I
have
> also rowed a glass dinghy which belongs to MIT which behaved quite
> well and was not too heavy for the size. It was even pretty. A
> little too big and too heavy for the use I have in mind, tho. The
last
> time I saw little harbors and anchorages in Maine, everyone had
these
> gorgeous little glass rowboats at docks and moorings, but again,
too
> large.
see below
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> Nymph makes a great dinghy. snip
agreed
>
> Either are far better than any fibreglass dinghy. I had one, weighed
> a ton, rowed like a barrel and tracked like a stuck pig. But the
> uniformed like them to tow behind their FG palaces.
I think the Dyer dinghies are pretty good, but they are expensive and
heavy. I have fond memories. First sailing lesson was in one. I have
also rowed a glass dinghy which belongs to MIT which behaved quite
well and was not too heavy for the size. It was even pretty. A
little too big and too heavy for the use I have in mind, tho. The last
time I saw little harbors and anchorages in Maine, everyone had these
gorgeous little glass rowboats at docks and moorings, but again, too
large.
Nymph makes a great dinghy. But I must agree that she can be a bit
difficult to get in and out of in a chop. I remember one blustery day
in Clayton NY. We whad just toured the 1000 Islands Boat Museum and I
was inspired to try Nymph in the confused 2-3 foot chop. It was a
handfull to enter, but once settled she rowed well and stayed dry
except for the occasional spray I made myself by not lifting the
blades high enough on the return strokes and slaping the crest of the
waves.
Perhaps the Reuben's Nymph with it wider beam and advertised 4 adult
capacity would be a good choice.
Either are far better than any fibreglass dinghy. I had one, weighed
a ton, rowed like a barrel and tracked like a stuck pig. But the
uniformed like them to tow behind their FG palaces.
difficult to get in and out of in a chop. I remember one blustery day
in Clayton NY. We whad just toured the 1000 Islands Boat Museum and I
was inspired to try Nymph in the confused 2-3 foot chop. It was a
handfull to enter, but once settled she rowed well and stayed dry
except for the occasional spray I made myself by not lifting the
blades high enough on the return strokes and slaping the crest of the
waves.
Perhaps the Reuben's Nymph with it wider beam and advertised 4 adult
capacity would be a good choice.
Either are far better than any fibreglass dinghy. I had one, weighed
a ton, rowed like a barrel and tracked like a stuck pig. But the
uniformed like them to tow behind their FG palaces.
> Some pictures of a Nymph towingCan't improve on that. ( The Martha Jane looks pretty shippy too. )
>http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/MJ/Sailing.htm
Mid length between the Nymph and Teal, capacious, towable, rowable, motorable, sailable
and stable too is the Auray Dinghy, found, thanks to JK, at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boatdesign/files/Auray/
Mark
Some pictures of a Nymph towing
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/MJ/Sailing.htm
HJ
brucehector wrote:
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/MJ/Sailing.htm
HJ
brucehector wrote:
>
> I love my Nymph, went together easily, looks great and starts
> conversations everywhere, rows like a dream, tows light and straight,
> easily carries two adults. Pictures at www.brucesboats.com.
>
>
> Junebug. PBA mooring tender (for putting down and raising moorings), not a yacht
> designed it specifically as a tender.
tender. 'Taint the same. Bigger than desired in the current
situation, I think.
I don't know why I didn't think to mention Junebug before. PB
designed it specifically as a tender. Plunb bow, sides and flat
rockered bottom for large capacity, great stability and ease of
construction. Add a skeg and deck the first few feet aft of the bow
and she'd do fine, as a towed tender. Lightweight to boot.
designed it specifically as a tender. Plunb bow, sides and flat
rockered bottom for large capacity, great stability and ease of
construction. Add a skeg and deck the first few feet aft of the bow
and she'd do fine, as a towed tender. Lightweight to boot.
What happens if you put some weight on board?
--- In bolger@y..., "staehpj1" <pete@e...> wrote:
> How noisy is Teal at anchor. Nymph can really pound in certain
> conditions even with very small waves of the right period. I am
> guessing Teal might be worse because of the wider flat bottom. On
> the other hand, she looks like she has less rocker so maybe that
> eliminates the fore and aft rocking that causes the pounding at
> anchor.
>
> Anybody know?
>
> Pete
How noisy is Teal at anchor. Nymph can really pound in certain
conditions even with very small waves of the right period. I am
guessing Teal might be worse because of the wider flat bottom. On
the other hand, she looks like she has less rocker so maybe that
eliminates the fore and aft rocking that causes the pounding at
anchor.
Anybody know?
Pete
conditions even with very small waves of the right period. I am
guessing Teal might be worse because of the wider flat bottom. On
the other hand, she looks like she has less rocker so maybe that
eliminates the fore and aft rocking that causes the pounding at
anchor.
Anybody know?
Pete
>Teal would have more capacity than the Elegant Punt (or Nymph), afterMuch less tender. I weight about #185 and I can stand amidships in my
>all, Phil says it's just the EP with the side panels lengthened to a
>point at bow and stern. With it's flat bottom she'd be less tender
>than Nymph.
Teal with my toes in the chine and she stays upright with a good few
inches of freeboard.
-D
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Teal would have more capacity than the Elegant Punt (or Nymph), after
all, Phil says it's just the EP with the side panels lengthened to a
point at bow and stern. With it's flat bottom she'd be less tender
than Nymph.
all, Phil says it's just the EP with the side panels lengthened to a
point at bow and stern. With it's flat bottom she'd be less tender
than Nymph.
>How does the carrying capacity compare? I didn't think Teal had theI've rowed my myself, wife, daughter and dog (a newfoundland) around
>capacity to be much of a tender. I would love to hear otherwise.
in our Teal and found it went along well enough. Also sailed well
with dog, pregnant wife and self.
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
capacity to be much of a tender. I would love to hear otherwise.
Pete
> He showed the Teal asHow does the carrying capacity compare? I didn't think Teal had the
> tender for small cruisers for a long time, until he switched the
> Tortise. Mostly I think that Teal rows a lot better.
capacity to be much of a tender. I would love to hear otherwise.
> This comes with fair warning that he shows these boats carriedAnyone tow one? If so, did it have any bad habits?
> aboard, not towed.
Pete
Unfortunately, towing and light weight (say, 60lbs or less) are very
important for this application. I did like rowing the Teal on the one
occasion.
important for this application. I did like rowing the Teal on the one
occasion.
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> Bolger's summary of the EP in The Folding Schooner was in the Teal
> chapter: Why didn't you do it right the first time? Meaning, the
Teal
> is a better boat built of the same materials. He showed the Teal as
> tender for small cruisers for a long time, until he switched the
> Tortise. Mostly I think that Teal rows a lot better.
>
> This comes with fair warning that he shows these boats carried
> aboard, not towed.
>
> PHV
> Nymph is very happy under oars, is very definitely a displacement hullI have a 28 lb. Tonaka. Obnoxious little motor but runs well and easy on
> shape and is sensitive to balance fore and aft. Not sure that's a
> good prescription for success with a motor. We've rowed ours for
> miles. I suspect if a motor is necessary due to a headwind or
> something you'd have more success with a small electric with the
> battery far enough toward the bow to counterbalance the weight of the
> motor, or else if you used the absolute lightest motor you can find.
fuel. It's a 3 HP but with a little plastic propeller, I doubt it can use
the 3 hp efficiently. The fuel tank can run for at least 2 hours so under
1/2 throttle, I probably never have to carry fuel.
Rowing would be common but on the rivers with good currents, I think an
engine would be less exhausting.
I have plans for a couple Michalak dinghys and have built one but still lean
towards the Nymph for it's lightness and good reports of her towing ability.
Short enough to put in the middle of the Wyo's cockpit and easily have room
to walk around.
Jeff
Jeff
Nymph is very happy under oars, is very definitely a displacement hull
shape and is sensitive to balance fore and aft. Not sure that's a
good prescription for success with a motor. We've rowed ours for
miles. I suspect if a motor is necessary due to a headwind or
something you'd have more success with a small electric with the
battery far enough toward the bow to counterbalance the weight of the
motor, or else if you used the absolute lightest motor you can find.
You will only need a fraction of a horsepower, depending on things
like propellor efficiency and headwind. I expect when rowing that
0.05hp is adequate ouput from the oarsman, maybe .1 in a headwind.
Maybe half that.
shape and is sensitive to balance fore and aft. Not sure that's a
good prescription for success with a motor. We've rowed ours for
miles. I suspect if a motor is necessary due to a headwind or
something you'd have more success with a small electric with the
battery far enough toward the bow to counterbalance the weight of the
motor, or else if you used the absolute lightest motor you can find.
You will only need a fraction of a horsepower, depending on things
like propellor efficiency and headwind. I expect when rowing that
0.05hp is adequate ouput from the oarsman, maybe .1 in a headwind.
Maybe half that.
--- In bolger@y..., "jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> I have a Nymph built in my shop, well at least assembled and waiting
for
> sanding and paint. My question is how does it handle under say a 3
hp
> outboard?
>
> I planned it as my dinghy for the Wyoming but I anticipate using
under oars
> and with an outboard.
>
> Jeff
>
snip
I have a Nymph built in my shop, well at least assembled and waiting for
sanding and paint. My question is how does it handle under say a 3 hp
outboard?
I planned it as my dinghy for the Wyoming but I anticipate using under oars
and with an outboard.
Jeff
sanding and paint. My question is how does it handle under say a 3 hp
outboard?
I planned it as my dinghy for the Wyoming but I anticipate using under oars
and with an outboard.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "mikestockstill" <mkstocks@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 7:37 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: what simple dinghy tows well?
> I towed an EP behind my MacGregor26x and my AS-19. It was a little
> much for the AS-19, especially in light winds. For the MacGregor26X,
> it was fine, but it would create a lot of drag once I got above 10
> knots. EP is relatively stable. If you build it, I recommend that
> you use the modified thwart as Payson suggests for Nymph.
>
> Currently I tow a Nymph behind my Martha Jane. It has much less drag
> and is lighter to manhandle. It is also less stable than the EP.
>
> EP is easier to build with regard to the amount of epoxy work. The
> only building challenge is bending the plywood for the sides - that
> is a pretty rigorous bend.
>
> For a cruiser, I recommend that you go with the EP, as it will better
> accomodate your 2nd person with groceries, etc.
>
> Mike
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
> > Thinking of building a friend a very simple dinghy, but it needs to
> > tow well. Also support maybe 300 lbs of crew (2 people).
> Considering
> > Toroise and Elegant Punt, also Michalak design. Must tow easily and
> > well, row ok with one and manageably with two. Any insights?
>
>
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Bolger's summary of the EP in The Folding Schooner was in the Teal
chapter: Why didn't you do it right the first time? Meaning, the Teal
is a better boat built of the same materials. He showed the Teal as
tender for small cruisers for a long time, until he switched the
Tortise. Mostly I think that Teal rows a lot better.
This comes with fair warning that he shows these boats carried
aboard, not towed.
PHV
chapter: Why didn't you do it right the first time? Meaning, the Teal
is a better boat built of the same materials. He showed the Teal as
tender for small cruisers for a long time, until he switched the
Tortise. Mostly I think that Teal rows a lot better.
This comes with fair warning that he shows these boats carried
aboard, not towed.
PHV
I towed an EP behind my MacGregor26x and my AS-19. It was a little
much for the AS-19, especially in light winds. For the MacGregor26X,
it was fine, but it would create a lot of drag once I got above 10
knots. EP is relatively stable. If you build it, I recommend that
you use the modified thwart as Payson suggests for Nymph.
Currently I tow a Nymph behind my Martha Jane. It has much less drag
and is lighter to manhandle. It is also less stable than the EP.
EP is easier to build with regard to the amount of epoxy work. The
only building challenge is bending the plywood for the sides - that
is a pretty rigorous bend.
For a cruiser, I recommend that you go with the EP, as it will better
accomodate your 2nd person with groceries, etc.
Mike
much for the AS-19, especially in light winds. For the MacGregor26X,
it was fine, but it would create a lot of drag once I got above 10
knots. EP is relatively stable. If you build it, I recommend that
you use the modified thwart as Payson suggests for Nymph.
Currently I tow a Nymph behind my Martha Jane. It has much less drag
and is lighter to manhandle. It is also less stable than the EP.
EP is easier to build with regard to the amount of epoxy work. The
only building challenge is bending the plywood for the sides - that
is a pretty rigorous bend.
For a cruiser, I recommend that you go with the EP, as it will better
accomodate your 2nd person with groceries, etc.
Mike
--- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
> Thinking of building a friend a very simple dinghy, but it needs to
> tow well. Also support maybe 300 lbs of crew (2 people).
Considering
> Toroise and Elegant Punt, also Michalak design. Must tow easily and
> well, row ok with one and manageably with two. Any insights?
I have one and like it for going out and rowing, but I find it kind of
tippy when getting into and out of another boat. Also, I'm too lazy to
build a tack and tape boat for someone else. I guess I should have
said REALLY SIMPLE instead of just simple. THanks for the advice, tho.
tippy when getting into and out of another boat. Also, I'm too lazy to
build a tack and tape boat for someone else. I guess I should have
said REALLY SIMPLE instead of just simple. THanks for the advice, tho.
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> I love my Nymph, went together easily, looks great and starts
> conversations everywhere, rows like a dream, tows light and
straight,
> easily carries two adults. Pictures at www.brucesboats.com.
I love my Nymph, went together easily, looks great and starts
conversations everywhere, rows like a dream, tows light and straight,
easily carries two adults. Pictures at www.brucesboats.com.
conversations everywhere, rows like a dream, tows light and straight,
easily carries two adults. Pictures at www.brucesboats.com.
I think that I could build an Elegant Punt in a day including glassing
the bottom, painting over the next couple of days. It tows well and will
hold the weight you want plus with the longitudinal seat rowing with 2
works well.
HJ
rnlocnil wrote:
the bottom, painting over the next couple of days. It tows well and will
hold the weight you want plus with the longitudinal seat rowing with 2
works well.
HJ
rnlocnil wrote:
>
> Thinking of building a friend a very simple dinghy, but it needs to
> tow well. Also support maybe 300 lbs of crew (2 people). Considering
> Toroise and Elegant Punt, also Michalak design. Must tow easily and
> well, row ok with one and manageably with two. Any insights?
>
Thinking of building a friend a very simple dinghy, but it needs to
tow well. Also support maybe 300 lbs of crew (2 people). Considering
Toroise and Elegant Punt, also Michalak design. Must tow easily and
well, row ok with one and manageably with two. Any insights?
tow well. Also support maybe 300 lbs of crew (2 people). Considering
Toroise and Elegant Punt, also Michalak design. Must tow easily and
well, row ok with one and manageably with two. Any insights?