Re: Micro - double-ender?
Ah, but then you wouldn't have to argue with the canal fascists about
OAL under the limit. (See Mr. Lenihan's account some time back about
his trip to the first Champlain messabout, at least I think it's in
there.)
OAL under the limit. (See Mr. Lenihan's account some time back about
his trip to the first Champlain messabout, at least I think it's in
there.)
--- In bolger@y..., "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
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> I must say, I was just babling on as though the double ender would
be
> longer/extended. Of course I think the question actualy is two
front
> ends, which I think would have a bad effect on stability, and load
> carrying.
--- In bolger@y..., "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
to climb up and on that way. I imagine not. The steps do act as big
scuppers. To eliminate that feature but allow the mast to step, one
would have to close some stuff off, and then where do you want your
anchor and so forth (I am not sure I want it over there anyway). The
whole detail have never struck me as a winner.
I must say, I was just babling on as though the double ender would be
longer/extended. Of course I think the question actualy is two front
ends, which I think would have a bad effect on stability, and load
carrying.
> I only tried to once Gregg. I think because it's so narrow at theWhat about if you were bow to beach? Would there ever be the reason
> bow, your arms can't spread sideways enough to stop you pivoting
> sideways, unless maybe you threw yourself forward.
> Either way, it felt so silly I never tried again.
> DonB
>
to climb up and on that way. I imagine not. The steps do act as big
scuppers. To eliminate that feature but allow the mast to step, one
would have to close some stuff off, and then where do you want your
anchor and so forth (I am not sure I want it over there anyway). The
whole detail have never struck me as a winner.
I must say, I was just babling on as though the double ender would be
longer/extended. Of course I think the question actualy is two front
ends, which I think would have a bad effect on stability, and load
carrying.
I only tried to once Gregg. I think because it's so narrow at the
bow, your arms can't spread sideways enough to stop you pivoting
sideways, unless maybe you threw yourself forward.
Either way, it felt so silly I never tried again.
DonB
bow, your arms can't spread sideways enough to stop you pivoting
sideways, unless maybe you threw yourself forward.
Either way, it felt so silly I never tried again.
DonB
> By the way, has anyone gotten their foot in the first step and
> climbed on up? I'm a wrestler and I couldn't. Cute but unusable
> feature.
>
> Gregg Carlson
My micro, now given away, once did 10 knots with 4 adults in the
cockpit; obviously surfing
(http://www.carlsondesign.com/projects.html)off the wind. On that
occasion, she creaked a little but seemed in control.
On another reach on another day, with kids up front in the cabin, we
had water pile up on the bow transom and pour in the lower step. We
were on the lake, so we kept it up to see what would happen. The bow
well filled until the second step began to pour in. When the water
reached the plexiglass port to the cabin (4' of water?), we eased
off. I really can't remember whether the small reacher we rigged was
up or not, but it's something we could duplicate on the right day.
Obviously, we could have reefed down or sailed up, but it was
certainly interesting enough that I thought I would remove the steps
at some point.
By the way, has anyone gotten their foot in the first step and
climbed on up? I'm a wrestler and I couldn't. Cute but unusable
feature.
So, the pointy micro is an interesting idea, the rationale of the
double-ender escapes me. My Rozinante, a 28' canoe, is smaller than
a Catalina 22 below. So, a double-ended Micro would be like, oh, a 9
footer? While Rozinante is certainly beautiful, I hate to imagine
the 15' double ender micro, 6 foot wide. Ouch.
Gregg Carlson
adds is a bit more material and work for no performance benefit.
cockpit; obviously surfing
(http://www.carlsondesign.com/projects.html)off the wind. On that
occasion, she creaked a little but seemed in control.
On another reach on another day, with kids up front in the cabin, we
had water pile up on the bow transom and pour in the lower step. We
were on the lake, so we kept it up to see what would happen. The bow
well filled until the second step began to pour in. When the water
reached the plexiglass port to the cabin (4' of water?), we eased
off. I really can't remember whether the small reacher we rigged was
up or not, but it's something we could duplicate on the right day.
Obviously, we could have reefed down or sailed up, but it was
certainly interesting enough that I thought I would remove the steps
at some point.
By the way, has anyone gotten their foot in the first step and
climbed on up? I'm a wrestler and I couldn't. Cute but unusable
feature.
So, the pointy micro is an interesting idea, the rationale of the
double-ender escapes me. My Rozinante, a 28' canoe, is smaller than
a Catalina 22 below. So, a double-ended Micro would be like, oh, a 9
footer? While Rozinante is certainly beautiful, I hate to imagine
the 15' double ender micro, 6 foot wide. Ouch.
Gregg Carlson
>> There has been at least one Micro built with a pointy bow. Theat all for the forefoot to ever get in the water. All the pointy end
>question is why? If the boat is properly trimmed, there is no reason
adds is a bit more material and work for no performance benefit.
> >etc...,
>
> There is a difference between Bolger's general attempt to do cool
> stuff like provide the most boat in 16', or two sheets length
> and saying it can't be improved with more of something. Microisn't
> the best candidate for enhancement, because you wouldn't gainbelieve
> anything in WLL, unless you go wild with the bondo. Still I
> there is a wave out there somewhere that could break over the bow,a
> and I would prefer it wasn't flat when it happened. Also, it isn't
> wind friendly end, something rounded would be a moderateimprovement
> on both counts. I don't think anyone has built a Melted Micro, but
> it would have to be faster. It might be cheaper.
--- In bolger@y..., "John Bell" <jmbell@m...> wrote:
stuff like provide the most boat in 16', or two sheets length etc...,
and saying it can't be improved with more of something. Micro isn't
the best candidate for enhancement, because you wouldn't gain
anything in WLL, unless you go wild with the bondo. Still I believe
there is a wave out there somewhere that could break over the bow,
and I would prefer it wasn't flat when it happened. Also, it isn't a
wind friendly end, something rounded would be a moderate improvement
on both counts. I don't think anyone has built a Melted Micro, but
it would have to be faster. It might be cheaper.
> There has been at least one Micro built with a pointy bow. Thequestion is
> why? If the boat is properly trimmed, there is no reason at all forthe
> forefoot to ever get in the water. All the pointy end adds is a bitmore
> material and work for no performance benefit.There is a difference between Bolger's general attempt to do cool
>
stuff like provide the most boat in 16', or two sheets length etc...,
and saying it can't be improved with more of something. Micro isn't
the best candidate for enhancement, because you wouldn't gain
anything in WLL, unless you go wild with the bondo. Still I believe
there is a wave out there somewhere that could break over the bow,
and I would prefer it wasn't flat when it happened. Also, it isn't a
wind friendly end, something rounded would be a moderate improvement
on both counts. I don't think anyone has built a Melted Micro, but
it would have to be faster. It might be cheaper.
There has been at least one Micro built with a pointy bow. The question is
why? If the boat is properly trimmed, there is no reason at all for the
forefoot to ever get in the water. All the pointy end adds is a bit more
material and work for no performance benefit.
why? If the boat is properly trimmed, there is no reason at all for the
forefoot to ever get in the water. All the pointy end adds is a bit more
material and work for no performance benefit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:29 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro - double-ender?
| --- In bolger@y..., "brisfan2002" <frtom@m...> wrote:
| > Does anyone know if it would be possible to build Mirco as a double-
| > ender (using the bow thrice)? Also using either twin keels or
| > leeboards and junk rig. Thanks.
|
| Some of us are still looking for the first end on a micro.
|
| More seriously, one of the reasons one cuts the second end off a boat
| in order to create a transom, is to save the length of the second
| end. Phil took this logic to the front of the boat also, thinking it
| was particularly useful in the case of the lines of a heeled
| sharpie. But one might ask, if one is adding stuff on, would it be
| most appropriate to add the fine bow, rather than extending the
| transom
|
|
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This link shows a Micro that had is bow built up with foam
to prevent pounding at ancor. This should make a good crash
absorbing zone.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/oink2/index.htm
Mat
to prevent pounding at ancor. This should make a good crash
absorbing zone.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/oink2/index.htm
Mat
--- In bolger@y..., "brisfan2002" <frtom@m...> wrote:
More seriously, one of the reasons one cuts the second end off a boat
in order to create a transom, is to save the length of the second
end. Phil took this logic to the front of the boat also, thinking it
was particularly useful in the case of the lines of a heeled
sharpie. But one might ask, if one is adding stuff on, would it be
most appropriate to add the fine bow, rather than extending the
transom
> Does anyone know if it would be possible to build Mirco as a double-Some of us are still looking for the first end on a micro.
> ender (using the bow thrice)? Also using either twin keels or
> leeboards and junk rig. Thanks.
More seriously, one of the reasons one cuts the second end off a boat
in order to create a transom, is to save the length of the second
end. Phil took this logic to the front of the boat also, thinking it
was particularly useful in the case of the lines of a heeled
sharpie. But one might ask, if one is adding stuff on, would it be
most appropriate to add the fine bow, rather than extending the
transom
Sure. Wouldn't be a Micro.
----- Original Message -----
From: "brisfan2002" <frtom@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: [bolger] Micro - double-ender?
> Does anyone know if it would be possible to build Mirco as a double-
> ender (using the bow thrice)? Also using either twin keels or
> leeboards and junk rig. Thanks.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
>
>
I'm sure you could do any of these modifications to the plans. I'm
also sure Phil has a simple double ended junk rig already sitting in
his stock design drawer. He's got everything else. Why not mail him
the question?
With enough epoxy, dreaming and thought you could make it into an
amphibious-aircraft-carrier-submarine if you wanted. I know, I've got
the sketches.
But at some point even a silk purse begins to look like a sow's ear.
also sure Phil has a simple double ended junk rig already sitting in
his stock design drawer. He's got everything else. Why not mail him
the question?
With enough epoxy, dreaming and thought you could make it into an
amphibious-aircraft-carrier-submarine if you wanted. I know, I've got
the sketches.
But at some point even a silk purse begins to look like a sow's ear.
Does anyone know if it would be possible to build Mirco as a double-
ender (using the bow thrice)? Also using either twin keels or
leeboards and junk rig. Thanks.
ender (using the bow thrice)? Also using either twin keels or
leeboards and junk rig. Thanks.