Re: Cheap Glue
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--- In bolger@y..., Michial Thompson <michialt@u...> wrote:
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> As for learning, I do plan on going out in light winds and working
up. I
> am not a fan of righting a capsized boat by myself, I've had enough
> experience with Canoes to know that it's not a lot of fun. I assume
that
> the June Bug is no different.
There's a good chance you'll capsize anyway. If a sailing boat has
enough flotation built in, then it can be pretty easy to right and get
back in, but judging by what I remember of the plans, I don't think it
does. It's very comforting to be able to do this, and it allows you
to go more places with the boat than you otherwise might. I have
thought of using aircraft dacron to make lightweight bouyancy tanks,
but have not done so yet as I haven't made anything sophisticated
enough to be worth that much trouble. ON my current project I am going
to lash some pool toy foam inside the sides no the theory that if
there is enough to float the boat's weight most of it will stay out of
the water when rolling it back over.
you might check out:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/1999/1001/index.htm#EMERG
ENCY FLOTATION
If you're set on getting the bigger boat, you might consider a little
sailing dinghy as they might slow you down less when towing but will
still be responsive when sailed. If the primary purpose is learning to
sail, it might be an idea to make a boat that's more like what Bolger
calls a "sailboard", i.e. you sit on its deck so there is nothing but
a footwell to flood (i.e. like a Sunfish). THis would be almost
useless as a tender, of course.
> snip
> My belief is that there is such a thing as over-kill
when
> building. If I was building a boat to be VERY pretty, then I would
be
> using A-A Marine Ply @ $60/sheet or more.
WHat kind of wood is your ply? I don't mean what kind of ply, I mean
what kind of wood. Some kinds more vulnerable than others even though
high quality by some measures.
I have yet to hear anything bad about PL Construction Adhesive except
that it foams when unrestrained and can be a little messy.
I grew up in a small town, and know the value of getting to know your
neighbors, and your suggestion is exactly why I like to get to know them.
I tend to keep either coffee or soda on hand, as well I frequently offer a
hand for when I see people working on things. This is so frequently
returned in kind when I need help as well.
As for learning, I do plan on going out in light winds and working up. I
am not a fan of righting a capsized boat by myself, I've had enough
experience with Canoes to know that it's not a lot of fun. I assume that
the June Bug is no different.
And your totally wrong about the value of Free Advice. Free advice is
priceless when you take the time to listen to the experience behind the
free advice. It's not the cost of the Epoxy that has me looking for
acceptable cheap glues. I have about a gallon of T-88 sitting on the shelf
that is left over from the plane I built, and that is plenty to build the
June Bug with. My belief is that there is such a thing as over-kill when
building. If I was building a boat to be VERY pretty, then I would be
using A-A Marine Ply @ $60/sheet or more.
At 10:50 PM 8/3/2002 -0700, you wrote:
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neighbors, and your suggestion is exactly why I like to get to know them.
I tend to keep either coffee or soda on hand, as well I frequently offer a
hand for when I see people working on things. This is so frequently
returned in kind when I need help as well.
As for learning, I do plan on going out in light winds and working up. I
am not a fan of righting a capsized boat by myself, I've had enough
experience with Canoes to know that it's not a lot of fun. I assume that
the June Bug is no different.
And your totally wrong about the value of Free Advice. Free advice is
priceless when you take the time to listen to the experience behind the
free advice. It's not the cost of the Epoxy that has me looking for
acceptable cheap glues. I have about a gallon of T-88 sitting on the shelf
that is left over from the plane I built, and that is plenty to build the
June Bug with. My belief is that there is such a thing as over-kill when
building. If I was building a boat to be VERY pretty, then I would be
using A-A Marine Ply @ $60/sheet or more.
At 10:50 PM 8/3/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I have to disagree about the cheap glue. My first boat was the 6 hour----------
>canoe, perhaps better named
>the 60 hour canoe. You would be surprised how much time you can put into
>one of these little plywood
>ventures, and once you have done that, it becomes much more than the cost
>of the plywood. Beg or
>borrow the $30 it will take to use epoxy and you will NOT regret it. Free
>advice is worth what you
>pay for it, but at least this is the voice of (my) experience. Also, you
>mentioned getting a bigger
>boat, but lacking experience. Check your local marina and get to know a
>few of the sailors of
>similar boats. You will find that going out with one of them, or better
>yet, having one of them take
>you out on your boat will give you a great start. One more piece of free
>advice. Pick a good day
>with a gentle wind. No telling how many would be sailors "went anyway"
>when that first (and last)
>sail came on a gale warning day. Believe me, starting in a gusty strong
>wind will scare the pants off
>you , but with a few hours under your belt it will be exciting rather than
>white knuckle prayer time.
>
>
>
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I have to disagree about the cheap glue. My first boat was the 6 hour canoe, perhaps better named
the 60 hour canoe. You would be surprised how much time you can put into one of these little plywood
ventures, and once you have done that, it becomes much more than the cost of the plywood. Beg or
borrow the $30 it will take to use epoxy and you will NOT regret it. Free advice is worth what you
pay for it, but at least this is the voice of (my) experience. Also, you mentioned getting a bigger
boat, but lacking experience. Check your local marina and get to know a few of the sailors of
similar boats. You will find that going out with one of them, or better yet, having one of them take
you out on your boat will give you a great start. One more piece of free advice. Pick a good day
with a gentle wind. No telling how many would be sailors "went anyway" when that first (and last)
sail came on a gale warning day. Believe me, starting in a gusty strong wind will scare the pants off
you , but with a few hours under your belt it will be exciting rather than white knuckle prayer time.
the 60 hour canoe. You would be surprised how much time you can put into one of these little plywood
ventures, and once you have done that, it becomes much more than the cost of the plywood. Beg or
borrow the $30 it will take to use epoxy and you will NOT regret it. Free advice is worth what you
pay for it, but at least this is the voice of (my) experience. Also, you mentioned getting a bigger
boat, but lacking experience. Check your local marina and get to know a few of the sailors of
similar boats. You will find that going out with one of them, or better yet, having one of them take
you out on your boat will give you a great start. One more piece of free advice. Pick a good day
with a gentle wind. No telling how many would be sailors "went anyway" when that first (and last)
sail came on a gale warning day. Believe me, starting in a gusty strong wind will scare the pants off
you , but with a few hours under your belt it will be exciting rather than white knuckle prayer time.