flotation Who Needs It??? Everybody.
Every year along the coast of Oregon great cashes of various items
wash up onto the beaches(the ones that float). Where do they come
from? From containers that are lost at sea that sat on giant
container ships and accidentally fell overboard. Most go to the
bottom and internal pressure forces them to open and release their
contents.
Some containers are have insulation and refer units to keep the
contents cold they may fall overboard and sink 10" below the surface
of the ocean. I can recall two ocean races that turned very unlucky
after striking these hidden containers.
Another source of danger is a rouge wave, the actually come in sets
of three and I was a victim of one along with my father and uncle
when we were fishing near Princeton, Half Moon Bay just below San
Francisco.
We had just set up a long line for bait fish when a big wave swamped
our boat as we sat in a trough letting out our lines. The next wave
turned the boat turtle it was 5:30 am. I am a good swimmer and I was
ten years old at the time. I became disoriented when the boat turned
over and by rights it should have turned back up at the next big set
but we never had any more big waves that morning. I swam as hard as
I could but realized I was trying to swim down with my PFD on. I came
up like a bobber and saw my Dad and uncle at the bow of our boat so I
swam to them and we locked arms over the bow. We yelled and hollered
but as luck would have it the were extending the breakwater at
Princeton and we could not be heard three miles away over the noise
of the crane.
We were picked out of the water at 7:15 by a couple who happened to
be going out fishing. This man had been trying to convince his wife
how safe it was for 15 years and the first time she tries it they
come across us. The pulled me in their boat first and I swear my legs
were kicking but when I looked down I was unable to move them. We all
had suffered severe hypothermia. We were nearly in when the Coast
Guard Helicopter arrived. They landed as we got to the dock and came
to make a report. A Coast Guard Cutter towed our boat in and we had
lost thousands of dollars of equipment.
Had the boat had more floatation higher it would have righted
itself. At least it would has been higher in the water and our legs
and torsos would have been higher and drier. It is not easy laying on
green slime and small barnacles. If the boat had sunk to the bottom
because we didn't have a few watertight compartments we would have
all died from hypothermia.
Granted the sea of Cortez is infinitely warmer than where we were
but I still would not want to swim 16 miles in water filled with
sharks. I always wear my PFD when on deck now and I have one that
looks like a jacket when it's cold. Floatation will never hurt you
but it can and will save your life. I am 50 years old now at that is
the only time I have been in grave danger on the ocean in the water.
I would never say it will be the last because there are to many
things that can go wrong.
John
wash up onto the beaches(the ones that float). Where do they come
from? From containers that are lost at sea that sat on giant
container ships and accidentally fell overboard. Most go to the
bottom and internal pressure forces them to open and release their
contents.
Some containers are have insulation and refer units to keep the
contents cold they may fall overboard and sink 10" below the surface
of the ocean. I can recall two ocean races that turned very unlucky
after striking these hidden containers.
Another source of danger is a rouge wave, the actually come in sets
of three and I was a victim of one along with my father and uncle
when we were fishing near Princeton, Half Moon Bay just below San
Francisco.
We had just set up a long line for bait fish when a big wave swamped
our boat as we sat in a trough letting out our lines. The next wave
turned the boat turtle it was 5:30 am. I am a good swimmer and I was
ten years old at the time. I became disoriented when the boat turned
over and by rights it should have turned back up at the next big set
but we never had any more big waves that morning. I swam as hard as
I could but realized I was trying to swim down with my PFD on. I came
up like a bobber and saw my Dad and uncle at the bow of our boat so I
swam to them and we locked arms over the bow. We yelled and hollered
but as luck would have it the were extending the breakwater at
Princeton and we could not be heard three miles away over the noise
of the crane.
We were picked out of the water at 7:15 by a couple who happened to
be going out fishing. This man had been trying to convince his wife
how safe it was for 15 years and the first time she tries it they
come across us. The pulled me in their boat first and I swear my legs
were kicking but when I looked down I was unable to move them. We all
had suffered severe hypothermia. We were nearly in when the Coast
Guard Helicopter arrived. They landed as we got to the dock and came
to make a report. A Coast Guard Cutter towed our boat in and we had
lost thousands of dollars of equipment.
Had the boat had more floatation higher it would have righted
itself. At least it would has been higher in the water and our legs
and torsos would have been higher and drier. It is not easy laying on
green slime and small barnacles. If the boat had sunk to the bottom
because we didn't have a few watertight compartments we would have
all died from hypothermia.
Granted the sea of Cortez is infinitely warmer than where we were
but I still would not want to swim 16 miles in water filled with
sharks. I always wear my PFD when on deck now and I have one that
looks like a jacket when it's cold. Floatation will never hurt you
but it can and will save your life. I am 50 years old now at that is
the only time I have been in grave danger on the ocean in the water.
I would never say it will be the last because there are to many
things that can go wrong.
John
--- In bolger@y..., "strika62" <strika62@y...> wrote:
> My fiancee and I just spent 4 months sailing our Micro in the Sea
of
> Cortez and we wonder, "Why put flotation in in the first place?"
> Micro is so stable, sails with maybe 10 degrees list at most and is
> so very hard to screw up that you would have to work pretty hard to
> get her into a position where you would need the flotation. And we
> were out in some of the best (ok, worst) the Sea of Cortez has to
> offer. The volume that the flotation takes up proved important to
us
> for using as stowage.
>
> Martin Ziebell
> "Little Em"
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> > Well here I am, at step 24 or so for building a Micro, "deck
> > stringers" completed, about to bond in the sides to my self
> draining
> > cockpit. I get reading ahead in the building key (silly me, I
> assumed
> > the key was numbered in the order in which the steps should be
> > completed) and step 42ish is put 3 or 4 cubic feet of foam under
> the
> > cockpit deck.
> >
> > That's tough with the deck frames and stingers all bonded in on
12"
> > centres. But I'm glad I saw it before I bonded on the cockpit
deck.
> > So, what do I do?
> >
> > Cut and fit in pieces of Fibreglass Pink foam from Home Depot? If
> so,
> > what goo will glue it together without eating it away? Pour foam?
> If
> > so, where and what brand, I have no experience with it. Spray
cans
> of
> > expanding foam? How many? Is it stable for the long term? I don't
> > like open cell styrofoam, too crumbly and it'll absorb water.
> >
> > Other advice and/or solutions welcome, no suggestion too wacky,
> I'll
> > consider them all. After all, I'll need carrier floation someday.
> >
> > Bubbling with anticipation,
> >
> > Bruce Hector
Shades of "the lovers" in Bolger's Woodenboat article.
strika62 wrote:
strika62 wrote:
>
> My fiancee and I just spent 4 months sailing our Micro in the Sea of
> Cortez and we wonder, "Why put flotation in in the first place?"
> Micro is so stable, sails with maybe 10 degrees list at most and is
> so very hard to screw up that you would have to work pretty hard to
> get her into a position where you would need the flotation. And we
> were out in some of the best (ok, worst) the Sea of Cortez has to
> offer. The volume that the flotation takes up proved important to us
> for using as stowage.
>
> Martin Ziebell
> "Little Em"
>
>
--- In bolger@y..., "strika62" <strika62@y...> wrote:
Also, your trip mirrors the PCB essay about Micro 'The Lovers'.
Is that where you got the idea?
flooded.
PCB answered my question as to why the Micro Navigator berths are
held back from the sides of the boat as follows: "...to take the
bedding clear of condensation on the insides of the sides. An
alternative is to line the sides with foam sheets for insulation;
also for more positive buoyancy."
I bet he would approve moving some (or all) foam from the floation
chambers to 'insulation' linings of the inside of the cabin walls,
ceiling, etc.. This would also improve 'comfort' in a cold climate.
As the ballast weighs 400 lbs / 62 PCF density of water.
=
Then 6 1/2 CF of buoyancy is needed to not sink.
=
That amounts to 6.5*12 = 78 square feet of 1" foam
=
Equal to about 2 and one half 4x8 sheets of 1" foam.
of Cortez. In my sailing experience, [in Puget Sound, Alaska and
Canada], the waters are thick at times with semi-submerged logs
lurking around to poke a hole in your hull. Having the boat not
sink to the bottom *in the worst case* is very important to me.
> My fiancee and I just spent 4 months sailingThat sounds *really* fun!
> our Micro in the Sea of Cortez
Also, your trip mirrors the PCB essay about Micro 'The Lovers'.
Is that where you got the idea?
> "Why put flotation in in the first place?"The obvious answer, I guess, is so she won't sink to the bottom if
flooded.
PCB answered my question as to why the Micro Navigator berths are
held back from the sides of the boat as follows: "...to take the
bedding clear of condensation on the insides of the sides. An
alternative is to line the sides with foam sheets for insulation;
also for more positive buoyancy."
I bet he would approve moving some (or all) foam from the floation
chambers to 'insulation' linings of the inside of the cabin walls,
ceiling, etc.. This would also improve 'comfort' in a cold climate.
As the ballast weighs 400 lbs / 62 PCF density of water.
=
Then 6 1/2 CF of buoyancy is needed to not sink.
=
That amounts to 6.5*12 = 78 square feet of 1" foam
=
Equal to about 2 and one half 4x8 sheets of 1" foam.
> the Sea of Cortez has toI take it that there is not a lot of junk floating around in the Sea
of Cortez. In my sailing experience, [in Puget Sound, Alaska and
Canada], the waters are thick at times with semi-submerged logs
lurking around to poke a hole in your hull. Having the boat not
sink to the bottom *in the worst case* is very important to me.
Maybe the best compromise is to use inflatable flotation bags when
daysailing and substitute drybags for provision storage when
cruising. If you don't want the expense of real flotation bags, the
liners from 5 liter wine in a box works pretty well. They also
substitute for fresh water bladders, and if you can find an
aluminumized mylar one they make a good radar reflector.
daysailing and substitute drybags for provision storage when
cruising. If you don't want the expense of real flotation bags, the
liners from 5 liter wine in a box works pretty well. They also
substitute for fresh water bladders, and if you can find an
aluminumized mylar one they make a good radar reflector.
--- In bolger@y..., "rnlocnil" <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
> I've seen some awfully substantial driftwood, easily enough to
punch a
> hole at speed (yes, I know it's not all that fast) if you hit it
> wrong. Maybe not a hazard in Sea of Cortez.
> --- In bolger@y..., "strika62" <strika62@y...> wrote:
> > My fiancee and I just spent 4 months sailing our Micro in the Sea
of
> > Cortez and we wonder, "Why put flotation in in the first place?"
> > Micro is so stable, sails with maybe 10 degrees list at most and
is
> > so very hard to screw up that you would have to work pretty hard
to
> > get her into a position where you would need the flotation. And
we
> > were out in some of the best (ok, worst) the Sea of Cortez has to
> > offer. The volume that the flotation takes up proved important
to
> us
> > for using as stowage.
> >
> > Martin Ziebell
> > "Little Em"
> snip
I've seen some awfully substantial driftwood, easily enough to punch a
hole at speed (yes, I know it's not all that fast) if you hit it
wrong. Maybe not a hazard in Sea of Cortez.
hole at speed (yes, I know it's not all that fast) if you hit it
wrong. Maybe not a hazard in Sea of Cortez.
--- In bolger@y..., "strika62" <strika62@y...> wrote:
> My fiancee and I just spent 4 months sailing our Micro in the Sea of
> Cortez and we wonder, "Why put flotation in in the first place?"
> Micro is so stable, sails with maybe 10 degrees list at most and is
> so very hard to screw up that you would have to work pretty hard to
> get her into a position where you would need the flotation. And we
> were out in some of the best (ok, worst) the Sea of Cortez has to
> offer. The volume that the flotation takes up proved important to
us
> for using as stowage.
>
> Martin Ziebell
> "Little Em"
snip
My fiancee and I just spent 4 months sailing our Micro in the Sea of
Cortez and we wonder, "Why put flotation in in the first place?"
Micro is so stable, sails with maybe 10 degrees list at most and is
so very hard to screw up that you would have to work pretty hard to
get her into a position where you would need the flotation. And we
were out in some of the best (ok, worst) the Sea of Cortez has to
offer. The volume that the flotation takes up proved important to us
for using as stowage.
Martin Ziebell
"Little Em"
Cortez and we wonder, "Why put flotation in in the first place?"
Micro is so stable, sails with maybe 10 degrees list at most and is
so very hard to screw up that you would have to work pretty hard to
get her into a position where you would need the flotation. And we
were out in some of the best (ok, worst) the Sea of Cortez has to
offer. The volume that the flotation takes up proved important to us
for using as stowage.
Martin Ziebell
"Little Em"
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> Well here I am, at step 24 or so for building a Micro, "deck
> stringers" completed, about to bond in the sides to my self
draining
> cockpit. I get reading ahead in the building key (silly me, I
assumed
> the key was numbered in the order in which the steps should be
> completed) and step 42ish is put 3 or 4 cubic feet of foam under
the
> cockpit deck.
>
> That's tough with the deck frames and stingers all bonded in on 12"
> centres. But I'm glad I saw it before I bonded on the cockpit deck.
> So, what do I do?
>
> Cut and fit in pieces of Fibreglass Pink foam from Home Depot? If
so,
> what goo will glue it together without eating it away? Pour foam?
If
> so, where and what brand, I have no experience with it. Spray cans
of
> expanding foam? How many? Is it stable for the long term? I don't
> like open cell styrofoam, too crumbly and it'll absorb water.
>
> Other advice and/or solutions welcome, no suggestion too wacky,
I'll
> consider them all. After all, I'll need carrier floation someday.
>
> Bubbling with anticipation,
>
> Bruce Hector
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
gotten booty!
I'll save to box keel cutout from my WINDEREMER( you know,that big
brown surf boardy thing under my jig...) for you to pick up anytime
and then you could layer all those foam blanks to enclose a certain
volume and make yerself a fine semi-submersible ramming kayak/canoe
or better yet,a tow along floating trailer for your Micro....or.....
Anyway,I thinks it is all too late for changing your plans now,enjoy
the beers and good luck!
Peter Lenihan
P.S. Don't worry too much about using 3/4 stuff for your P-
box/step.After all,the weight gain is only the net difference between
say 3/8 and 3/4 which the mighty MICRO can handle with infinite
grace and it is low in the boat...God knows I've loaded mine up with
tons of fluids and seen her go down but an inch or two.....freeboard
ta spare!
> This'll start in a fe whours when the last customer leaves the shop@
> 4pm EST and we can open the beer.Arrr...matey,ye gona ruin one fine space fer storin' all sorts of ill
>
> Wish me luck,
>
> Bruce Hector
gotten booty!
I'll save to box keel cutout from my WINDEREMER( you know,that big
brown surf boardy thing under my jig...) for you to pick up anytime
and then you could layer all those foam blanks to enclose a certain
volume and make yerself a fine semi-submersible ramming kayak/canoe
or better yet,a tow along floating trailer for your Micro....or.....
Anyway,I thinks it is all too late for changing your plans now,enjoy
the beers and good luck!
Peter Lenihan
P.S. Don't worry too much about using 3/4 stuff for your P-
box/step.After all,the weight gain is only the net difference between
say 3/8 and 3/4 which the mighty MICRO can handle with infinite
grace and it is low in the boat...God knows I've loaded mine up with
tons of fluids and seen her go down but an inch or two.....freeboard
ta spare!
Thanks for all the advice, all of it good. I've posted some new work
photos to the Micro Riff Raff photo section in the Bolger2 eGroup
that will illustrate where and what I have to work around. ALL pieces
and frames are bonded with West Sys.
Here's what I'm going to try.
I've bought 6 sheets of closed cell pink styrofoam insulation, a
couple of cans of expanding foam, an undisclosed quantity of beer and
a PL foam board glue. I'll cut slices of the pink foam and slide them
into and under the floor and frames, smear on a bit of the PL goop
and spray small amounts of the expanding foam (I know how much it
expands and its poere to burst things) around the edges, hopefully
forming a 5 cubic foot block. I'll do under the cockpit floor first
then the aft 2 feet of the under deck area. Then I'll piece in a
piece of ply to make it look reasonably neat from the cabin.
This'll start in a fe whours when the last customer leaves the shop @
4pm EST and we can open the beer.
Wish me luck,
Bruce Hector
photos to the Micro Riff Raff photo section in the Bolger2 eGroup
that will illustrate where and what I have to work around. ALL pieces
and frames are bonded with West Sys.
Here's what I'm going to try.
I've bought 6 sheets of closed cell pink styrofoam insulation, a
couple of cans of expanding foam, an undisclosed quantity of beer and
a PL foam board glue. I'll cut slices of the pink foam and slide them
into and under the floor and frames, smear on a bit of the PL goop
and spray small amounts of the expanding foam (I know how much it
expands and its poere to burst things) around the edges, hopefully
forming a 5 cubic foot block. I'll do under the cockpit floor first
then the aft 2 feet of the under deck area. Then I'll piece in a
piece of ply to make it look reasonably neat from the cabin.
This'll start in a fe whours when the last customer leaves the shop @
4pm EST and we can open the beer.
Wish me luck,
Bruce Hector
The spray cans of foam are pretty expensive. All the epoxy suppliers carry two part pour
in, which I always argue yields the neatest, most durable and ship shape solution. One
place to look for a decent deal for comparison is Defender.
http://www.defender.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?store=yes&cart_id=202905.95747&catalog=752547
You're supposed to get in the neighborhood of a cubic foot or 1.2 per gallon, but that can
be Neverneverland; so if you choose pour-in, get 2 gals first time out.
Mark
brucehector wrote:
snip
in, which I always argue yields the neatest, most durable and ship shape solution. One
place to look for a decent deal for comparison is Defender.
http://www.defender.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?store=yes&cart_id=202905.95747&catalog=752547
You're supposed to get in the neighborhood of a cubic foot or 1.2 per gallon, but that can
be Neverneverland; so if you choose pour-in, get 2 gals first time out.
Mark
brucehector wrote:
snip
> Bubbling with anticipation,
Beware, some examples of 77 recently are alleged to have a new
formula with some acetone in it which eats styrene. Doesn't gasoline
eat styrene also? Anyway, epoxy and microballoons are supposed to make
an ok adhesive for foam. Probably the pink foam you are referring to
is extruded styrene foam, nothing to do with fiberglass. I know
that they also make some kind of styrene foam flotation billets,
maybe they are cheaper, don't know any Canadian sources. You might
consider some form of the urethane foam. Pour foam is urethane foam, I
think, which ought to be less vulnerable to solvents, tho I don't know
how long exposure to water will treat it. If you use it be sure to
have lots of ventilation as, unless it's changed, it has isocyanates
in it, which you don't want to mess with. Most vapor masks won't
handle this stuff and there's not much smell. I got away with it, but
who knows? Can't say re durability when soaked. DO it in several small
pours and wait a while to fill spaces or you may burst or warp
something. You probably want the two part foams as the small spray can
stuff, if it hasn't changed in the last decade or so, doesn't set well
in thick layers. THere are two part two can spray kits, but they are
large and messy. Just the thing for making 50 oceanographic buoys.
I agree that bead foam is probably not good stuff.
formula with some acetone in it which eats styrene. Doesn't gasoline
eat styrene also? Anyway, epoxy and microballoons are supposed to make
an ok adhesive for foam. Probably the pink foam you are referring to
is extruded styrene foam, nothing to do with fiberglass. I know
that they also make some kind of styrene foam flotation billets,
maybe they are cheaper, don't know any Canadian sources. You might
consider some form of the urethane foam. Pour foam is urethane foam, I
think, which ought to be less vulnerable to solvents, tho I don't know
how long exposure to water will treat it. If you use it be sure to
have lots of ventilation as, unless it's changed, it has isocyanates
in it, which you don't want to mess with. Most vapor masks won't
handle this stuff and there's not much smell. I got away with it, but
who knows? Can't say re durability when soaked. DO it in several small
pours and wait a while to fill spaces or you may burst or warp
something. You probably want the two part foams as the small spray can
stuff, if it hasn't changed in the last decade or so, doesn't set well
in thick layers. THere are two part two can spray kits, but they are
large and messy. Just the thing for making 50 oceanographic buoys.
I agree that bead foam is probably not good stuff.
--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> I've used 3M Super 77 adhesive on white styrofoam with no problems.
snip
>
> Fiberglass Coatings has the best price on expanding foam.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...>
snip
> > Cut and fit in pieces of Fibreglass Pink foam from Home Depot? If
so,
> > what goo will glue it together without eating it away? Pour foam?
If
> > so, where and what brand, I have no experience with it. Spray cans
of
> > expanding foam? How many? Is it stable for the long term? I don't
> > like open cell styrofoam, too crumbly and it'll absorb water.
> >
snip
I used 2" foundation insulation by Dow. It is the same stuff used on
docks, but only 2" thick. I bought about 10 sheets of 2X8 material
and it fit through the cabin opening fine. I then wedged it in place
under the cockpit.
I am sorely tempted to rip it out as it takes up valuable storage
space for the oars, boat hook, and ladder (never mind the fishing
rods) But, it beats a long swim home.
I have had Micro out in some pretty ignorant stuff, and have been
glad that the floatation is in place as specified. The block that is
in the bow well is just right to stand on in lieu of a platform as
indicated on my plans. We lashed the block in place.
David Jost
(heading to Long Island Sound this weekend!)
docks, but only 2" thick. I bought about 10 sheets of 2X8 material
and it fit through the cabin opening fine. I then wedged it in place
under the cockpit.
I am sorely tempted to rip it out as it takes up valuable storage
space for the oars, boat hook, and ladder (never mind the fishing
rods) But, it beats a long swim home.
I have had Micro out in some pretty ignorant stuff, and have been
glad that the floatation is in place as specified. The block that is
in the bow well is just right to stand on in lieu of a platform as
indicated on my plans. We lashed the block in place.
David Jost
(heading to Long Island Sound this weekend!)
Styro is still a good option, if you fit it to the space then seal it
in plastic bags before final installation. Cheap and waterproof. You
can also use Gallon milk jugs and 2 litre soda bottles. They work
great as fillers for pour in foam, taking up a lot of space and
saving on the expensive foam.
Steve
in plastic bags before final installation. Cheap and waterproof. You
can also use Gallon milk jugs and 2 litre soda bottles. They work
great as fillers for pour in foam, taking up a lot of space and
saving on the expensive foam.
Steve
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> Well here I am, at step 24 or so for building a Micro, "deck
> stringers" completed, about to bond in the sides to my self
draining
> cockpit. I get reading ahead in the building key (silly me, I
assumed
> the key was numbered in the order in which the steps should be
> completed) and step 42ish is put 3 or 4 cubic feet of foam under
the
> cockpit deck.
>
> That's tough with the deck frames and stingers all bonded in on 12"
> centres. But I'm glad I saw it before I bonded on the cockpit deck.
> So, what do I do?
>
> Cut and fit in pieces of Fibreglass Pink foam from Home Depot? If
so,
> what goo will glue it together without eating it away? Pour foam?
If
> so, where and what brand, I have no experience with it. Spray cans
of
> expanding foam? How many? Is it stable for the long term? I don't
> like open cell styrofoam, too crumbly and it'll absorb water.
>
> Other advice and/or solutions welcome, no suggestion too wacky,
I'll
> consider them all. After all, I'll need carrier floation someday.
>
> Bubbling with anticipation,
>
> Bruce Hector
You can epoxy pink foam.
HJ
brucehector wrote:
HJ
brucehector wrote:
>
> Well here I am, at step 24 or so for building a Micro, "deck
> stringers" completed, about to bond in the sides to my self draining
> cockpit. I get reading ahead in the building key (silly me, I assumed
> the key was numbered in the order in which the steps should be
> completed) and step 42ish is put 3 or 4 cubic feet of foam under the
> cockpit deck.
>
> That's tough with the deck frames and stingers all bonded in on 12"
> centres. But I'm glad I saw it before I bonded on the cockpit deck.
> So, what do I do?
>
> Cut and fit in pieces of Fibreglass Pink foam from Home Depot? If so,
> what goo will glue it together without eating it away? Pour foam? If
> so, where and what brand, I have no experience with it. Spray cans of
> expanding foam? How many? Is it stable for the long term? I don't
> like open cell styrofoam, too crumbly and it'll absorb water.
>
>
I've used 3M Super 77 adhesive on white styrofoam with no problems.
Maybe you could find larger blocks, something that will fix snuggly between
the 12" centers?
Fiberglass Coatings has the best price on expanding foam.
Maybe you could find larger blocks, something that will fix snuggly between
the 12" centers?
Fiberglass Coatings has the best price on expanding foam.
----- Original Message -----
From: "brucehector" <bruce_hector@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:35 PM
Subject: [bolger] Micro flotation
> Well here I am, at step 24 or so for building a Micro, "deck
> stringers" completed, about to bond in the sides to my self draining
> cockpit. I get reading ahead in the building key (silly me, I assumed
> the key was numbered in the order in which the steps should be
> completed) and step 42ish is put 3 or 4 cubic feet of foam under the
> cockpit deck.
>
> That's tough with the deck frames and stingers all bonded in on 12"
> centres. But I'm glad I saw it before I bonded on the cockpit deck.
> So, what do I do?
>
> Cut and fit in pieces of Fibreglass Pink foam from Home Depot? If so,
> what goo will glue it together without eating it away? Pour foam? If
> so, where and what brand, I have no experience with it. Spray cans of
> expanding foam? How many? Is it stable for the long term? I don't
> like open cell styrofoam, too crumbly and it'll absorb water.
>
> Other advice and/or solutions welcome, no suggestion too wacky, I'll
> consider them all. After all, I'll need carrier floation someday.
>
> Bubbling with anticipation,
>
> Bruce Hector
>
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Well here I am, at step 24 or so for building a Micro, "deck
stringers" completed, about to bond in the sides to my self draining
cockpit. I get reading ahead in the building key (silly me, I assumed
the key was numbered in the order in which the steps should be
completed) and step 42ish is put 3 or 4 cubic feet of foam under the
cockpit deck.
That's tough with the deck frames and stingers all bonded in on 12"
centres. But I'm glad I saw it before I bonded on the cockpit deck.
So, what do I do?
Cut and fit in pieces of Fibreglass Pink foam from Home Depot? If so,
what goo will glue it together without eating it away? Pour foam? If
so, where and what brand, I have no experience with it. Spray cans of
expanding foam? How many? Is it stable for the long term? I don't
like open cell styrofoam, too crumbly and it'll absorb water.
Other advice and/or solutions welcome, no suggestion too wacky, I'll
consider them all. After all, I'll need carrier floation someday.
Bubbling with anticipation,
Bruce Hector
stringers" completed, about to bond in the sides to my self draining
cockpit. I get reading ahead in the building key (silly me, I assumed
the key was numbered in the order in which the steps should be
completed) and step 42ish is put 3 or 4 cubic feet of foam under the
cockpit deck.
That's tough with the deck frames and stingers all bonded in on 12"
centres. But I'm glad I saw it before I bonded on the cockpit deck.
So, what do I do?
Cut and fit in pieces of Fibreglass Pink foam from Home Depot? If so,
what goo will glue it together without eating it away? Pour foam? If
so, where and what brand, I have no experience with it. Spray cans of
expanding foam? How many? Is it stable for the long term? I don't
like open cell styrofoam, too crumbly and it'll absorb water.
Other advice and/or solutions welcome, no suggestion too wacky, I'll
consider them all. After all, I'll need carrier floation someday.
Bubbling with anticipation,
Bruce Hector