Re: WDJ First impressions
Thanks Frank,
My throat (er...) goes up like a dream. The peak is a pain
My throat (er...) goes up like a dream. The peak is a pain
--- In bolger@y..., "sanmi" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
> Bjorn,
>
> Congratulations!! I hope to make a WDJ one day as well.
>
> It is a lot of work for me to raise the gaff on my AS-29 mainsail
> (300 sq ft). I have a 2-1 arrangement on peak and throat
halyards.
> The hard one for me is the throat halyard. Once I have the sail
up,
> the peak is relatively easy.
>
> Frank
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "bjharbo" <bharbo@o...> wrote:
> > 3. I have probably had very bad luck with my sails. I think my
> > sailmaker who has a remarkably well developed self confidence and
> who
> > only due to my intense insisting made the mainsail without his
> > recommended battens, chose a much too heavy sailcloth. The sails
> are
> > stiff, heavy and it was impossible to peak up the mainsail. Other
> > possible explanations: the short mast which reduces the lever arm
> for
> > the peak halyard, my choice of laid rope, the gaff being hollow
> > however with 15 mm staves (and thus too heavy).
> >
>
> > Bjørn
> > Schooner Captain (Yessss!!)
They are separate. The throat block is 12" below the peak block at
the mast head.
the mast head.
--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> Bjorn, be sure to use separate blocks for each one. I used a double
block
> and had a hard time hoisting my 154 main, then switched to singles
for each
> halyard, and now have no problem.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sanmi" <sanmi@y...>
> To: <bolger@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:57 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: WDJ First impressions
>
>
> Bjorn,
>
> Congratulations!! I hope to make a WDJ one day as well.
>
> It is a lot of work for me to raise the gaff on my AS-29 mainsail
> (300 sq ft). I have a 2-1 arrangement on peak and throat halyards.
> The hard one for me is the throat halyard. Once I have the sail up,
> the peak is relatively easy.
>
> Frank
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "bjharbo" <bharbo@o...> wrote:
> > 3. I have probably had very bad luck with my sails. I think my
> > sailmaker who has a remarkably well developed self confidence and
> who
> > only due to my intense insisting made the mainsail without his
> > recommended battens, chose a much too heavy sailcloth. The sails
> are
> > stiff, heavy and it was impossible to peak up the mainsail. Other
> > possible explanations: the short mast which reduces the lever arm
> for
> > the peak halyard, my choice of laid rope, the gaff being hollow
> > however with 15 mm staves (and thus too heavy).
> >
>
> > Bjørn
> > Schooner Captain (Yessss!!)
>
>
>
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Bjorn, be sure to use separate blocks for each one. I used a double block
and had a hard time hoisting my 154 main, then switched to singles for each
halyard, and now have no problem.
and had a hard time hoisting my 154 main, then switched to singles for each
halyard, and now have no problem.
----- Original Message -----
From: "sanmi" <sanmi@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:57 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: WDJ First impressions
Bjorn,
Congratulations!! I hope to make a WDJ one day as well.
It is a lot of work for me to raise the gaff on my AS-29 mainsail
(300 sq ft). I have a 2-1 arrangement on peak and throat halyards.
The hard one for me is the throat halyard. Once I have the sail up,
the peak is relatively easy.
Frank
--- In bolger@y..., "bjharbo" <bharbo@o...> wrote:
> 3. I have probably had very bad luck with my sails. I think my
> sailmaker who has a remarkably well developed self confidence and
who
> only due to my intense insisting made the mainsail without his
> recommended battens, chose a much too heavy sailcloth. The sails
are
> stiff, heavy and it was impossible to peak up the mainsail. Other
> possible explanations: the short mast which reduces the lever arm
for
> the peak halyard, my choice of laid rope, the gaff being hollow
> however with 15 mm staves (and thus too heavy).
>
> Bjørn
> Schooner Captain (Yessss!!)
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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Bjorn,
Congratulations!! I hope to make a WDJ one day as well.
It is a lot of work for me to raise the gaff on my AS-29 mainsail
(300 sq ft). I have a 2-1 arrangement on peak and throat halyards.
The hard one for me is the throat halyard. Once I have the sail up,
the peak is relatively easy.
Frank
Congratulations!! I hope to make a WDJ one day as well.
It is a lot of work for me to raise the gaff on my AS-29 mainsail
(300 sq ft). I have a 2-1 arrangement on peak and throat halyards.
The hard one for me is the throat halyard. Once I have the sail up,
the peak is relatively easy.
Frank
--- In bolger@y..., "bjharbo" <bharbo@o...> wrote:
> 3. I have probably had very bad luck with my sails. I think my
> sailmaker who has a remarkably well developed self confidence and
who
> only due to my intense insisting made the mainsail without his
> recommended battens, chose a much too heavy sailcloth. The sails
are
> stiff, heavy and it was impossible to peak up the mainsail. Other
> possible explanations: the short mast which reduces the lever arm
for
> the peak halyard, my choice of laid rope, the gaff being hollow
> however with 15 mm staves (and thus too heavy).
>
> Bjørn
> Schooner Captain (Yessss!!)
Thank you!! and thanks for the comments.
I tried to steer with the rudder only. It is hardly possible to steer
with the motor (not a lot of space in that part of the boat). I will
try lowering the leeboards next time)
There is only one other finished WDJ. PB&F has made a two hour video
of the boat with the relatively new schooner (shot in July 1998). The
judge seems to be able to peak the main easily (remember the guy is
6'4" or something..) and his cloth seems to be a lot softer/thinner
than mine. However, the original design called for masts two feet
longer than mine. Due to the tippiness of the prototype PB
recommended shortening the masts and hollow gaffs. The video shows
the design in the original configuration (water ballast, long masts
and solid gaffs).
Bjørn
I tried to steer with the rudder only. It is hardly possible to steer
with the motor (not a lot of space in that part of the boat). I will
try lowering the leeboards next time)
There is only one other finished WDJ. PB&F has made a two hour video
of the boat with the relatively new schooner (shot in July 1998). The
judge seems to be able to peak the main easily (remember the guy is
6'4" or something..) and his cloth seems to be a lot softer/thinner
than mine. However, the original design called for masts two feet
longer than mine. Due to the tippiness of the prototype PB
recommended shortening the masts and hollow gaffs. The video shows
the design in the original configuration (water ballast, long masts
and solid gaffs).
Bjørn
> Schooner CaptainYou deserve your new title. Congratulations!
A couple comments:
Steering in reverse. Were you trying to steer with the motor or with
the rudder? If the boat moved aft, then the steering problem would
not be due to the motor. I would try putting one or both leeboards
down to give the hull a pivot point.
Peaking the main: It's almost a design characteristic of Bolger that
he designs in too little mechanical advantage for various moving
parts. I'm sure you will be comparing with other Jochems schooner
owners. New sails are notoriously stiff.
I'm not surprised that you found the "crew" had to sit on the
windward side. The total crew weight must have been high percentage
of total displacement.
Peter
I loaded the ship with nine persons and it was by no means crowded!
1. She is huge! Having seen the pictures and the video (with only one
and two persons aboard) I was very skeptical as the number of
interested onlookers who wanted to take a ride never seemed to stop.
Probably very irresponsible of me, I admit.
2. I had BIG problems trying to leave the dock by going in reverse. I
have a brand new Tohatsu 2 stroke 9,9 HP ("tuned" to 15 HP). It was
next to impossible to steer with the outboard in reverse. The rudder
was down and the leeboards up. I could not afford the recommended
Yamaha four stroke 9,9 (which costs twice as much here). Propeller?
3. I have probably had very bad luck with my sails. I think my
sailmaker who has a remarkably well developed self confidence and who
only due to my intense insisting made the mainsail without his
recommended battens, chose a much too heavy sailcloth. The sails are
stiff, heavy and it was impossible to peak up the mainsail. Other
possible explanations: the short mast which reduces the lever arm for
the peak halyard, my choice of laid rope, the gaff being hollow
however with 15 mm staves (and thus too heavy).
4. I added 400 kgs of lead ballast, 225 to port and 175 to starboard
and one small battery on the port side (to compensate for the weight
of the rig on the starboard side). In spite of this she floated
surprisingly high. The wind was light, we flew the standard schooner
rig config with three sails (sans main stays'l). She responded
promptly as I had to command all living ballast to windward after a
tack when all hands kept their seat on the new lee side.
5. Reefing was simple although taking in the jib needs practice.
It was great fun for me and all my passengers!
I did not get to film the sails when up. Hope to go sailing again on
Saturday and will try to make good shots to show details of the rig.
So far I have only very big jpg's and mpeg's which I dare not upload
to the group. I will try to get my home page on the road again and
load it with audiovisual stuff for those who are interested.
Bjørn
Schooner Captain (Yessss!!)
1. She is huge! Having seen the pictures and the video (with only one
and two persons aboard) I was very skeptical as the number of
interested onlookers who wanted to take a ride never seemed to stop.
Probably very irresponsible of me, I admit.
2. I had BIG problems trying to leave the dock by going in reverse. I
have a brand new Tohatsu 2 stroke 9,9 HP ("tuned" to 15 HP). It was
next to impossible to steer with the outboard in reverse. The rudder
was down and the leeboards up. I could not afford the recommended
Yamaha four stroke 9,9 (which costs twice as much here). Propeller?
3. I have probably had very bad luck with my sails. I think my
sailmaker who has a remarkably well developed self confidence and who
only due to my intense insisting made the mainsail without his
recommended battens, chose a much too heavy sailcloth. The sails are
stiff, heavy and it was impossible to peak up the mainsail. Other
possible explanations: the short mast which reduces the lever arm for
the peak halyard, my choice of laid rope, the gaff being hollow
however with 15 mm staves (and thus too heavy).
4. I added 400 kgs of lead ballast, 225 to port and 175 to starboard
and one small battery on the port side (to compensate for the weight
of the rig on the starboard side). In spite of this she floated
surprisingly high. The wind was light, we flew the standard schooner
rig config with three sails (sans main stays'l). She responded
promptly as I had to command all living ballast to windward after a
tack when all hands kept their seat on the new lee side.
5. Reefing was simple although taking in the jib needs practice.
It was great fun for me and all my passengers!
I did not get to film the sails when up. Hope to go sailing again on
Saturday and will try to make good shots to show details of the rig.
So far I have only very big jpg's and mpeg's which I dare not upload
to the group. I will try to get my home page on the road again and
load it with audiovisual stuff for those who are interested.
Bjørn
Schooner Captain (Yessss!!)