Re: Poor man's cigarette
> I love this group. All of you are giving me much to think about.Right Toto, with a 900# drive train we ain't Glouchester any
>
> I think a ~900LB drive train and the increased scantlings
> just might increase the displacement enough for a vee bottom.
> In addition to the clam skiff it might be wise to check out
> all of Bolgers planing boats.
>
> hal
more...;0)
On Friday, September 6, 2002, at 10:10 AM, Harry W. James wrote:
hal
> HalNo, I meant plank on frame. Little or no plywood.
>
> By classic construction do you mean frame and plywood?
hal
--- I came across this group while looking for plans for
the "Rascal", a 16 ft. outboard racer. Then fate intervened when I
saw line drawings for the Sneakeasy; the Rascal can wait. The
Sneakeasy will be the first boat I build. I happened to read the
posting related to the Sneakeasy's deck resembling male gentilia. The
defender of these long decks pointed to the Duesenberg Torpedo
Phaeton as an example of classic styling with no references to sex.
Although I was 40 years his junior, I was a friend and business
partner of Duesenberg Designer, Gordon Buehrig. I publish limited
edition lithographs signed by famous designers and Mr. Buehrig was
our first Living Legend. The artwork he signed can be seen at the
Automobile Quarterly web site; click on the Fine Art Gallery icon in
the upper right hand corner and scroll down to the Beverly Berline.
There you will see the Sneakeasy in steel. While having lunch one day
at the Grosse Pointe Yacht Club, Gordon told me he would have made
the hood longer if Fred Duesenberg would have let him. When the
manager of the detail shop at Duesenberg drove the Beverly out of the
factory his knuckles hit the windshield. Mr. Buehrig had moved the
windshield back as far as he could for the longest hood possible,
just enough room to clear his knuckles between the steering wheel and
the windshield. Unfortunately, not enough room for the beefy knuckles
of a factory worker, and the car was driven back into the factory and
the newly designed to windshield was installed. This was the first
attempt at a wrap around windshield. This came from the man who
designed the first flip of headlights, eliminated running boards, and
used the first plastic in automobiles. In the dozens of conversations
I had with Mr. Buehrig there was never any references to hoods and
male sex organs. Quite the contrary most designers will tell you the
curves in an automobile resemble those of a woman.
Mr. Buehrig called me one day to tell me he had just returned from
Florida where he met the designer of the Cigarettes and the Donzis. I
am uncertain whether one man designed both boats. He was excited to
learn that there were other designers that designed from gut instinct
and not just by formulas and sliderules. They both agreed that power
boat designs are influenced by automotive designs and automotive
designs are influenced by aircraft designs. This is certainly true of
the cars of the '50s and '60s as well as the interior of the 1936 and
1937 Cords. There is nothing more beautiful than accenting something
which is really not necessary but enhances the overall design.
Although, Mr.Buehrig firmly believed that form follows function.
However, Mae West said it best " Too much of a good thing is never
enough", of course she WAS referring to sex. But designers of boats
and cars learned long ago designs don't have to refer to sex to be
sexy
CC Garnette
In bolger@y..., "announcer97624" <caj@k...> wrote:
the "Rascal", a 16 ft. outboard racer. Then fate intervened when I
saw line drawings for the Sneakeasy; the Rascal can wait. The
Sneakeasy will be the first boat I build. I happened to read the
posting related to the Sneakeasy's deck resembling male gentilia. The
defender of these long decks pointed to the Duesenberg Torpedo
Phaeton as an example of classic styling with no references to sex.
Although I was 40 years his junior, I was a friend and business
partner of Duesenberg Designer, Gordon Buehrig. I publish limited
edition lithographs signed by famous designers and Mr. Buehrig was
our first Living Legend. The artwork he signed can be seen at the
Automobile Quarterly web site; click on the Fine Art Gallery icon in
the upper right hand corner and scroll down to the Beverly Berline.
There you will see the Sneakeasy in steel. While having lunch one day
at the Grosse Pointe Yacht Club, Gordon told me he would have made
the hood longer if Fred Duesenberg would have let him. When the
manager of the detail shop at Duesenberg drove the Beverly out of the
factory his knuckles hit the windshield. Mr. Buehrig had moved the
windshield back as far as he could for the longest hood possible,
just enough room to clear his knuckles between the steering wheel and
the windshield. Unfortunately, not enough room for the beefy knuckles
of a factory worker, and the car was driven back into the factory and
the newly designed to windshield was installed. This was the first
attempt at a wrap around windshield. This came from the man who
designed the first flip of headlights, eliminated running boards, and
used the first plastic in automobiles. In the dozens of conversations
I had with Mr. Buehrig there was never any references to hoods and
male sex organs. Quite the contrary most designers will tell you the
curves in an automobile resemble those of a woman.
Mr. Buehrig called me one day to tell me he had just returned from
Florida where he met the designer of the Cigarettes and the Donzis. I
am uncertain whether one man designed both boats. He was excited to
learn that there were other designers that designed from gut instinct
and not just by formulas and sliderules. They both agreed that power
boat designs are influenced by automotive designs and automotive
designs are influenced by aircraft designs. This is certainly true of
the cars of the '50s and '60s as well as the interior of the 1936 and
1937 Cords. There is nothing more beautiful than accenting something
which is really not necessary but enhances the overall design.
Although, Mr.Buehrig firmly believed that form follows function.
However, Mae West said it best " Too much of a good thing is never
enough", of course she WAS referring to sex. But designers of boats
and cars learned long ago designs don't have to refer to sex to be
sexy
CC Garnette
In bolger@y..., "announcer97624" <caj@k...> wrote:
> I for one can never understand why psychology with Jung-isms andor
> Freudian theory should spoil the quest for speed. As if riding in
> owning any boat that even looks like it could be fast is a neuroticor
> response.
> I for one can never understand why psychology with Jung-isms and
> Freudian theory should spoil the quest for speed. As if riding in
> owning any boat that even looks like it could be fast is a neuroticof
> response.
>
> If my boat is very long and skinny why should anyone come to the
> conclusion that I am trying to overcome some lacking in genetilia
> length? It is only a long fast boat but it seems unsatisfied people
> must take a natural human instinct to go faster or higher and
> construed it to a very base level. I think a long sleek deck on a
> Sneakeasy brings back the look of the V16 Lincoln and a Torpedo
> Phaeton Duesenberg.
>
> I love the thrill of speed and I have had thoughts late at night
> placing a Mazda 240 hp Rotary motor in a Sneakeasy. Besides sex isI'm
> safe and mundane. A 240 hp Sneakeasy has a very real potential of
> hurting you and not in a nice way.
>
> I like speed and it has always been in my blood right along with
> boats. Sanger V drives and fast sailing Catamarans felt good and
> sure a Bolger Sneakeasy with outlandish power could give me a speedequations.
> rush just the same. Lets keep sexual analogies out of the
>I
> If you don't like speed or long fast boats that is good for you and
> wish you the best. Everyone can have an opinion that reflects theirboat"
> personal taste without degrading another's. we are all right in our
> own preference.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., wmrpage@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 9/4/02 4:15:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
> hal@c...
> > writes:
> >
> >
> > > I have heard reference to a "poor man's cigarette" designed
> > > by Bolger several times recently. Can anyone give me some
> > > details?
> > >
> >
> > No details, merely speculation. I interpret "cigarette
> to mean aby
> > long, narrow, power boat with pretensions to speed. The
> original "Cigarettes"
> > were, I believe, deep-V off-shore power race boats, built in FL
> someonefor
> > presumably inspired by Ray Hunt's designs for Richard
> Bertram's "Moppies",
> > and who (the builder) may or may not have subsequently been
> incarcerated for
> > drug smuggling when the racing powerboat business was slack. (I
> like the
> > term "pecker" boats. Not having the wherewithall to own one of
> these beasts,
> > I like to believe that the owners of the same are compensating
> perceivedSBJ
> > inadequacy of a certain organ as well as frailities of character,
> taste,
> > consideration and other virtues.)
> >
> > Bolger published the cartoon for "Sneakeasy" in the old
> inBoat
> > response to a reader who was enamored by an article in Wooden
> featuringengine
> > the George Crouch-designed, 1924 and 1925 Gold Cup-winning "Baby
> Bootlegger"
> > and sought a design he could put a domestic V-8 inboard auto
> into thatmuch
> > would give him something that would resemble that boat. "Baby
> Bootlegger" was
> > about as phallic a race boat as could be built. Long, narrow and
> > "stream-lined" it was powered by a Curtiss-Wright-build Hispano-
> Suiza V-8
> > aircraft engine, which was state-of-the-art for power plants in
> those days.
> > (The 1924 Gold Cup should have been awarded to "Maple Leaf IV",
> also
> > Crouch-designed, which won the first two of three heats, and a
> moreoutboard
> > innovative and attractive craft than "Baby Bootlegger", IMHO.)
> >
> > Bolger's cartoon was for a long, narrow power sharpie: the
> now famous
> > "Sneakeasy", which was originally intended to provide no-wake
> cruising in
> > Florida water-front property developments with a 10-15 hp.
> motor. Iin
> > remember thinking at the time that his cartoon didn't quite seem
> theis
> > spirit of SBJ's correspondent's wishes, but it certainly is about
> as phallic
> > a boat as one could contrive. Numbers of these boats have been
> built,
> > including one by our MODERATOR, Gregg Carlson. A search
> for "Sneakeasy" will
> > yield pictures of lots of very attractive boats. Not all of them
> are as
> > conservatively powered as Bolger originally specified.
> >
> > Of course, what might constitute a "poor man's cigarette"
> allpp.
> > relative to one's income. In Dave Gerr's "The Nature of Boats",
> 178-179,of
> > he presents the "Needle": 54' L.O.A. X 6'6" beam X 800 bhp = 70
> Kts, a boat
> > so efficient that "You may be able to afford to blast off in one
> theseboat"
> > rockets without selling your family's assets for fuel."!!! Maybe
> you, maybe
> > Gerr, but definitely not me!
> >
> > Ciao for Niao,
> > Bill in MN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]b
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., wmrpage@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 9/4/02 4:15:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
> hal@c...
> > writes:
> >
> >
> > > I have heard reference to a "poor man's cigarette" designed
> > > by Bolger several times recently. Can anyone give me some
> > > details?
> > >
> >
> > No details, merely speculation. I interpret "cigarette
> to mean aby
> > long, narrow, power boat with pretensions to speed. The
> original "Cigarettes"
> > were, I believe, deep-V off-shore power race boats, built in FL
> someonefor
> > presumably inspired by Ray Hunt's designs for Richard
> Bertram's "Moppies",
> > and who (the builder) may or may not have subsequently been
> incarcerated for
> > drug smuggling when the racing powerboat business was slack. (I
> like the
> > term "pecker" boats. Not having the wherewithall to own one of
> these beasts,
> > I like to believe that the owners of the same are compensating
> perceivedSBJ
> > inadequacy of a certain organ as well as frailities of character,
> taste,
> > consideration and other virtues.)
> >
> > Bolger published the cartoon for "Sneakeasy" in the old
> inBoat
> > response to a reader who was enamored by an article in Wooden
> featuringengine
> > the George Crouch-designed, 1924 and 1925 Gold Cup-winning "Baby
> Bootlegger"
> > and sought a design he could put a domestic V-8 inboard auto
> into thatmuch
> > would give him something that would resemble that boat. "Baby
> Bootlegger" was
> > about as phallic a race boat as could be built. Long, narrow and
> > "stream-lined" it was powered by a Curtiss-Wright-build Hispano-
> Suiza V-8
> > aircraft engine, which was state-of-the-art for power plants in
> those days.
> > (The 1924 Gold Cup should have been awarded to "Maple Leaf IV",
> also
> > Crouch-designed, which won the first two of three heats, and a
> moreoutboard
> > innovative and attractive craft than "Baby Bootlegger", IMHO.)
> >
> > Bolger's cartoon was for a long, narrow power sharpie: the
> now famous
> > "Sneakeasy", which was originally intended to provide no-wake
> cruising in
> > Florida water-front property developments with a 10-15 hp.
> motor. Iin
> > remember thinking at the time that his cartoon didn't quite seem
> theis
> > spirit of SBJ's correspondent's wishes, but it certainly is about
> as phallic
> > a boat as one could contrive. Numbers of these boats have been
> built,
> > including one by our MODERATOR, Gregg Carlson. A search
> for "Sneakeasy" will
> > yield pictures of lots of very attractive boats. Not all of them
> are as
> > conservatively powered as Bolger originally specified.
> >
> > Of course, what might constitute a "poor man's cigarette"
> allpp.
> > relative to one's income. In Dave Gerr's "The Nature of Boats",
> 178-179,of
> > he presents the "Needle": 54' L.O.A. X 6'6" beam X 800 bhp = 70
> Kts, a boat
> > so efficient that "You may be able to afford to blast off in one
> theseboat"
> > rockets without selling your family's assets for fuel."!!! Maybe
> you, maybe
> > Gerr, but definitely not me!
> >
> > Ciao for Niao,
> > Bill in MN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]b
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., wmrpage@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 9/4/02 4:15:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
> hal@c...
> > writes:
> >
> >
> > > I have heard reference to a "poor man's cigarette" designed
> > > by Bolger several times recently. Can anyone give me some
> > > details?
> > >
> >
> > No details, merely speculation. I interpret "cigarette
> to mean aby
> > long, narrow, power boat with pretensions to speed. The
> original "Cigarettes"
> > were, I believe, deep-V off-shore power race boats, built in FL
> someonefor
> > presumably inspired by Ray Hunt's designs for Richard
> Bertram's "Moppies",
> > and who (the builder) may or may not have subsequently been
> incarcerated for
> > drug smuggling when the racing powerboat business was slack. (I
> like the
> > term "pecker" boats. Not having the wherewithall to own one of
> these beasts,
> > I like to believe that the owners of the same are compensating
> perceivedSBJ
> > inadequacy of a certain organ as well as frailities of character,
> taste,
> > consideration and other virtues.)
> >
> > Bolger published the cartoon for "Sneakeasy" in the old
> inBoat
> > response to a reader who was enamored by an article in Wooden
> featuringengine
> > the George Crouch-designed, 1924 and 1925 Gold Cup-winning "Baby
> Bootlegger"
> > and sought a design he could put a domestic V-8 inboard auto
> into thatmuch
> > would give him something that would resemble that boat. "Baby
> Bootlegger" was
> > about as phallic a race boat as could be built. Long, narrow and
> > "stream-lined" it was powered by a Curtiss-Wright-build Hispano-
> Suiza V-8
> > aircraft engine, which was state-of-the-art for power plants in
> those days.
> > (The 1924 Gold Cup should have been awarded to "Maple Leaf IV",
> also
> > Crouch-designed, which won the first two of three heats, and a
> moreoutboard
> > innovative and attractive craft than "Baby Bootlegger", IMHO.)
> >
> > Bolger's cartoon was for a long, narrow power sharpie: the
> now famous
> > "Sneakeasy", which was originally intended to provide no-wake
> cruising in
> > Florida water-front property developments with a 10-15 hp.
> motor. Iin
> > remember thinking at the time that his cartoon didn't quite seem
> theis
> > spirit of SBJ's correspondent's wishes, but it certainly is about
> as phallic
> > a boat as one could contrive. Numbers of these boats have been
> built,
> > including one by our MODERATOR, Gregg Carlson. A search
> for "Sneakeasy" will
> > yield pictures of lots of very attractive boats. Not all of them
> are as
> > conservatively powered as Bolger originally specified.
> >
> > Of course, what might constitute a "poor man's cigarette"
> allpp.
> > relative to one's income. In Dave Gerr's "The Nature of Boats",
> 178-179,of
> > he presents the "Needle": 54' L.O.A. X 6'6" beam X 800 bhp = 70
> Kts, a boat
> > so efficient that "You may be able to afford to blast off in one
> these
> > rockets without selling your family's assets for fuel."!!! Maybe
> you, maybe
> > Gerr, but definitely not me!
> >
> > Ciao for Niao,
> > Bill in MN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]b
Hal
By classic construction do you mean frame and plywood? We all have
opinions on this group (do we ever), but having used both stitch and
glue and frame set up with plywood planking, I think the frame and
plywood is quicker and easier from 15' on up. There was an article in
either Boatbuilder or Wooden boat within the last 5 years by somebody
who built a Bob Cat using frame and plank and I agree with his opinion
that it was quicker and easier than the original stitch and glue method.
I have fully equipped shop now, but I built my first framed plywood boat
a Glen L(26')20 years ago with a chopsaw, jig saw and a couple of drills
and a handplane. The construction was fast, also fun.
HJ
Hal Lynch wrote:
By classic construction do you mean frame and plywood? We all have
opinions on this group (do we ever), but having used both stitch and
glue and frame set up with plywood planking, I think the frame and
plywood is quicker and easier from 15' on up. There was an article in
either Boatbuilder or Wooden boat within the last 5 years by somebody
who built a Bob Cat using frame and plank and I agree with his opinion
that it was quicker and easier than the original stitch and glue method.
I have fully equipped shop now, but I built my first framed plywood boat
a Glen L(26')20 years ago with a chopsaw, jig saw and a couple of drills
and a handplane. The construction was fast, also fun.
HJ
Hal Lynch wrote:
>
> On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 07:49 PM, Harry W. James wrote:
>
> > Glen L sells v drives and conversion kits for some high horse power
> > stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a design for it also.
> > Inboard
> > Motor Installation which they sell is still the best info out there on
> > converting a gas engine to marine use.
>
> They do, some of them quite attractive. Glen L has
> a reputation for quality products. The two problems
> I see are:
> 1) The classic designs I have seen use "classic"
> construction, way beyond my skill level.
> 2) The classic designs have classic bottoms which tend
> to be rough riding and not real efficient IHMO.
>
> hal
>
On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 06:11 PM, proaconstrictor wrote:
I think a ~900LB drive train and the increased scantlings
just might increase the displacement enough for a vee bottom.
In addition to the clam skiff it might be wise to check out
all of Bolgers planing boats.
hal
> I don't think one could count on a boat like this being dry since itI love this group. All of you are giving me much to think about.
> is pretty low. That bow will suck water like a hose at times.
>
> As to the bottom, the problem is stability. This is a small boat,
> that doesn't weight much. A v bottom would be easy to do, but the
> displacement would have to be significantly increased in order to get
> it down on its lines enough to be stable. The Step is the next best
> thing because in this case it returns to flat aft, which gives
> stability, but the front on average is like a V (think diplacement
> not shape). This might work with an actual V, just very flat aft.
> Another option would be something combining the clam skiff
> crossection with the Sneakeasy plan and profile views.
I think a ~900LB drive train and the increased scantlings
just might increase the displacement enough for a vee bottom.
In addition to the clam skiff it might be wise to check out
all of Bolgers planing boats.
hal
On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 06:37 PM,wmrpage@...wrote:
the power but I wouldn't want to be in one at speed.
Ok, I think I have some pictures of Maple Leaf IV
at home. I will check it out but I gotta tell ya
that rounded shear speaks to me.
hal
> I'm too lazy to check to see if it is still offered, but years agoI watched Crackerboxes race as a child. They can handle
> "Glen-L"
> offered at least one design for a rear-cockpit, inboard-powered,
> racing boat
> for plywood construction. (Crackerbox? Crackerjax?) I don't recall
> that it
> was a particularly elegant looking boat, but on a boat like this,
> everything
> up from the chine serves only to keep the water out when at rest, so
> one
> could modify the topsides and deck to one's heart's content without
> screwing
> up the performance.
the power but I wouldn't want to be in one at speed.
Ok, I think I have some pictures of Maple Leaf IV
at home. I will check it out but I gotta tell ya
that rounded shear speaks to me.
hal
On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 07:49 PM, Harry W. James wrote:
a reputation for quality products. The two problems
I see are:
1) The classic designs I have seen use "classic"
construction, way beyond my skill level.
2) The classic designs have classic bottoms which tend
to be rough riding and not real efficient IHMO.
hal
> Glen L sells v drives and conversion kits for some high horse powerThey do, some of them quite attractive. Glen L has
> stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a design for it also.
> Inboard
> Motor Installation which they sell is still the best info out there on
> converting a gas engine to marine use.
a reputation for quality products. The two problems
I see are:
1) The classic designs I have seen use "classic"
construction, way beyond my skill level.
2) The classic designs have classic bottoms which tend
to be rough riding and not real efficient IHMO.
hal
Daniel,
A fillet,as per Bolger,is more like a developed panel surface
which is used to cover up that right angle section on the boxkeel
boat bottoms.This is perhaps not easy for me to explain but you can
see what I am refering to by checking out the files section on
Bolger2 called WINDERMERE.There is a scan of some of the sections and
if you look closely...really close....you can just make out a
sectional view of the fillet going from the outboard edge of the box
keel up to the hull chine.
This device serves as additional floatation(it is meant to be
foam filled),address noise from wave slap,and to make for nicer
(smoother) running.
The nose-job suggested for the AS-29 accomplishes pretty much
the same things except is designed for purely flat bottomed boat(no
boxkeel).
Hope this is clearer to you then it reads to me....:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
A fillet,as per Bolger,is more like a developed panel surface
which is used to cover up that right angle section on the boxkeel
boat bottoms.This is perhaps not easy for me to explain but you can
see what I am refering to by checking out the files section on
Bolger2 called WINDERMERE.There is a scan of some of the sections and
if you look closely...really close....you can just make out a
sectional view of the fillet going from the outboard edge of the box
keel up to the hull chine.
This device serves as additional floatation(it is meant to be
foam filled),address noise from wave slap,and to make for nicer
(smoother) running.
The nose-job suggested for the AS-29 accomplishes pretty much
the same things except is designed for purely flat bottomed boat(no
boxkeel).
Hope this is clearer to you then it reads to me....:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., "kinguq" <daniel.pike@l...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can you elaborate as to what a "fillet" is? Is it building up the
bow
> section with multiple layers to round it off, like he suggests for
> the AS-29?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel Pike,
> Tromso, Norway.
>
Hi,
Can you elaborate as to what a "fillet" is? Is it building up the bow
section with multiple layers to round it off, like he suggests for
the AS-29?
Thanks,
Daniel Pike,
Tromso, Norway.
--- In bolger@y..., "ellengaestboatbuildingcom" <ellengaest@b...>
wrote:
Can you elaborate as to what a "fillet" is? Is it building up the bow
section with multiple layers to round it off, like he suggests for
the AS-29?
Thanks,
Daniel Pike,
Tromso, Norway.
--- In bolger@y..., "ellengaestboatbuildingcom" <ellengaest@b...>
wrote:
> While I am not entirely certain of this,I believe our Hero hastaken
> steps to reduce the wave slap in some of his designs having the boxCHAMPLAIN
> keel by adding a"fillet".This device has been added to the
> design and is included with the WINDERMERE design also.boxkeelers
> Perhaps,as time permits,he will do the same for the other
> out there unless they just do not work on smaller(lightweight)boats.
> Sincerely,boat,
> Peter Lenihan
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
> > --- In bolger@y..., Hal Lynch <hal@c...> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 02:16 PM, dbaldnz wrote:
> > > > But there is the step-sharpie variation of Sneakeasy, which
> Bolger
> > > > says will track safely.
> > > > DonB
> > >
> > > Right you are, but I wonder how the step version rides in
> > > a chop. Ride is the part of the equation I didn't mention
> > > before. There is no point in going fast if you get beat
> > > to a pulp. Greg Carlson I think built the step version.
> > > While he didn't comment on the ride he did mention it was
> > > a bit wet, but he didn't elaborate. While I like the looks
> > > of "Sneakeasy" a lot I'm not sure either bottom would suit
> > > my purpose.
> > >
> > > hal
> >
> > I don't think one could count on a boat like this being dry since
> it
> > is pretty low. That bow will suck water like a hose at times.
> >
> > As to the bottom, the problem is stability. This is a small
> > that doesn't weight much. A v bottom would be easy to do, butthe
> > displacement would have to be significantly increased in order todiplacement
> get
> > it down on its lines enough to be stable. The Step is the next
> best
> > thing because in this case it returns to flat aft, which gives
> > stability, but the front on average is like a V (think
> > not shape). This might work with an actual V, just very flataft.
> > Another option would be something combining the clam skiff
> > crossection with the Sneakeasy plan and profile views.
While I am not entirely certain of this,I believe our Hero has taken
steps to reduce the wave slap in some of his designs having the box
keel by adding a"fillet".This device has been added to the CHAMPLAIN
design and is included with the WINDERMERE design also.
Perhaps,as time permits,he will do the same for the other boxkeelers
out there unless they just do not work on smaller(lightweight) boats.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
steps to reduce the wave slap in some of his designs having the box
keel by adding a"fillet".This device has been added to the CHAMPLAIN
design and is included with the WINDERMERE design also.
Perhaps,as time permits,he will do the same for the other boxkeelers
out there unless they just do not work on smaller(lightweight) boats.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., Hal Lynch <hal@c...> wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 02:16 PM, dbaldnz wrote:
> > > But there is the step-sharpie variation of Sneakeasy, which
Bolger
> > > says will track safely.
> > > DonB
> >
> > Right you are, but I wonder how the step version rides in
> > a chop. Ride is the part of the equation I didn't mention
> > before. There is no point in going fast if you get beat
> > to a pulp. Greg Carlson I think built the step version.
> > While he didn't comment on the ride he did mention it was
> > a bit wet, but he didn't elaborate. While I like the looks
> > of "Sneakeasy" a lot I'm not sure either bottom would suit
> > my purpose.
> >
> > hal
>
> I don't think one could count on a boat like this being dry since
it
> is pretty low. That bow will suck water like a hose at times.
>
> As to the bottom, the problem is stability. This is a small boat,
> that doesn't weight much. A v bottom would be easy to do, but the
> displacement would have to be significantly increased in order to
get
> it down on its lines enough to be stable. The Step is the next
best
> thing because in this case it returns to flat aft, which gives
> stability, but the front on average is like a V (think diplacement
> not shape). This might work with an actual V, just very flat aft.
> Another option would be something combining the clam skiff
> crossection with the Sneakeasy plan and profile views.
Glen L sells v drives and conversion kits for some high horse power
stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a design for it also. Inboard
Motor Installation which they sell is still the best info out there on
converting a gas engine to marine use.
HJ
wmrpage@...wrote:
stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a design for it also. Inboard
Motor Installation which they sell is still the best info out there on
converting a gas engine to marine use.
HJ
wmrpage@...wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/5/02 11:34:33 AM Central Daylight Time,hal@...
> writes:
>
> > <dream>
> > Cruising the Navajo arm of Lake Powell in my small
> > block Chevy powered mid engine "Sneakeasy".
> > </dream>
> >
>
> I'm too lazy to check to see if it is still offered, but years ago "Glen-L"
> offered at least one design for a rear-cockpit, inboard-powered, racing boat
> for plywood construction. (Crackerbox? Crackerjax?) I don't recall that it
> was a particularly elegant looking boat, but on a boat like this, everything
> up from the chine serves only to keep the water out when at rest, so one
> could modify the topsides and deck to one's heart's content without screwing
> up the performance. On the other hand, it was probably an early post-war
> design intended for use with a 90 hp. flat-head Ford V-8 or some such.
> Small-block Chevy V-8's have outputs in multiples of 90 hp. and might just be
> too powerful for such a design. I believe drag boat racers switched from
> propellers to jet drives after a point, when control of a light boat with a
> single propeller became exiguous or impossible once a certain power level had
> been exceeded.
>
> "Sneakeasy" is a light-displacement, lightly-built boat. I don't think it
> would be a good point of departure for development of a high-powered inboard
> rocket ship. I suspect that if one tried to drop a high-powered V-8 in it, it
> would break off both ends and the remainder sink to the bottom the first wake
> it hit at speed. Mind you, I don't really know.
>
In a message dated 9/5/02 11:34:33 AM Central Daylight Time,hal@...
writes:
offered at least one design for a rear-cockpit, inboard-powered, racing boat
for plywood construction. (Crackerbox? Crackerjax?) I don't recall that it
was a particularly elegant looking boat, but on a boat like this, everything
up from the chine serves only to keep the water out when at rest, so one
could modify the topsides and deck to one's heart's content without screwing
up the performance. On the other hand, it was probably an early post-war
design intended for use with a 90 hp. flat-head Ford V-8 or some such.
Small-block Chevy V-8's have outputs in multiples of 90 hp. and might just be
too powerful for such a design. I believe drag boat racers switched from
propellers to jet drives after a point, when control of a light boat with a
single propeller became exiguous or impossible once a certain power level had
been exceeded.
"Sneakeasy" is a light-displacement, lightly-built boat. I don't think it
would be a good point of departure for development of a high-powered inboard
rocket ship. I suspect that if one tried to drop a high-powered V-8 in it, it
would break off both ends and the remainder sink to the bottom the first wake
it hit at speed. Mind you, I don't really know.
(And I still say "Maple Leaf IV" is a better looking, more interesting boat
than "Baby Bootlegger" and it would have won the 1924 Gold Cup going away but
for dishonorable rules committee finagling to keep the Cup in the U.S.)
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
writes:
> <dream>I'm too lazy to check to see if it is still offered, but years ago "Glen-L"
> Cruising the Navajo arm of Lake Powell in my small
> block Chevy powered mid engine "Sneakeasy".
> </dream>
>
offered at least one design for a rear-cockpit, inboard-powered, racing boat
for plywood construction. (Crackerbox? Crackerjax?) I don't recall that it
was a particularly elegant looking boat, but on a boat like this, everything
up from the chine serves only to keep the water out when at rest, so one
could modify the topsides and deck to one's heart's content without screwing
up the performance. On the other hand, it was probably an early post-war
design intended for use with a 90 hp. flat-head Ford V-8 or some such.
Small-block Chevy V-8's have outputs in multiples of 90 hp. and might just be
too powerful for such a design. I believe drag boat racers switched from
propellers to jet drives after a point, when control of a light boat with a
single propeller became exiguous or impossible once a certain power level had
been exceeded.
"Sneakeasy" is a light-displacement, lightly-built boat. I don't think it
would be a good point of departure for development of a high-powered inboard
rocket ship. I suspect that if one tried to drop a high-powered V-8 in it, it
would break off both ends and the remainder sink to the bottom the first wake
it hit at speed. Mind you, I don't really know.
(And I still say "Maple Leaf IV" is a better looking, more interesting boat
than "Baby Bootlegger" and it would have won the 1924 Gold Cup going away but
for dishonorable rules committee finagling to keep the Cup in the U.S.)
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- In bolger@y..., Hal Lynch <hal@c...> wrote:
is pretty low. That bow will suck water like a hose at times.
As to the bottom, the problem is stability. This is a small boat,
that doesn't weight much. A v bottom would be easy to do, but the
displacement would have to be significantly increased in order to get
it down on its lines enough to be stable. The Step is the next best
thing because in this case it returns to flat aft, which gives
stability, but the front on average is like a V (think diplacement
not shape). This might work with an actual V, just very flat aft.
Another option would be something combining the clam skiff
crossection with the Sneakeasy plan and profile views.
>I don't think one could count on a boat like this being dry since it
> On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 02:16 PM, dbaldnz wrote:
> > But there is the step-sharpie variation of Sneakeasy, which Bolger
> > says will track safely.
> > DonB
>
> Right you are, but I wonder how the step version rides in
> a chop. Ride is the part of the equation I didn't mention
> before. There is no point in going fast if you get beat
> to a pulp. Greg Carlson I think built the step version.
> While he didn't comment on the ride he did mention it was
> a bit wet, but he didn't elaborate. While I like the looks
> of "Sneakeasy" a lot I'm not sure either bottom would suit
> my purpose.
>
> hal
is pretty low. That bow will suck water like a hose at times.
As to the bottom, the problem is stability. This is a small boat,
that doesn't weight much. A v bottom would be easy to do, but the
displacement would have to be significantly increased in order to get
it down on its lines enough to be stable. The Step is the next best
thing because in this case it returns to flat aft, which gives
stability, but the front on average is like a V (think diplacement
not shape). This might work with an actual V, just very flat aft.
Another option would be something combining the clam skiff
crossection with the Sneakeasy plan and profile views.
On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 02:16 PM, dbaldnz wrote:
a chop. Ride is the part of the equation I didn't mention
before. There is no point in going fast if you get beat
to a pulp. Greg Carlson I think built the step version.
While he didn't comment on the ride he did mention it was
a bit wet, but he didn't elaborate. While I like the looks
of "Sneakeasy" a lot I'm not sure either bottom would suit
my purpose.
hal
> But there is the step-sharpie variation of Sneakeasy, which BolgerRight you are, but I wonder how the step version rides in
> says will track safely.
> DonB
a chop. Ride is the part of the equation I didn't mention
before. There is no point in going fast if you get beat
to a pulp. Greg Carlson I think built the step version.
While he didn't comment on the ride he did mention it was
a bit wet, but he didn't elaborate. While I like the looks
of "Sneakeasy" a lot I'm not sure either bottom would suit
my purpose.
hal
> Which leads to the subject line. In "Poor Man's Cigarette"But there is the step-sharpie variation of Sneakeasy, which Bolger
> I had hoped that Bolger had come up with an easy to build
> fast boat. I am sorry this doesn't seem to be the case.
>
> <dream>
> Cruising the Navajo arm of Lake Powell in my small
> block Chevy powered mid engine "Sneakeasy".
> </dream>
>
> hal
says will track safely.
DonB
On Wednesday, September 4, 2002, at 11:11 PM, announcer97624 wrote:
the owner lacking in the same is not something
I am concerned about.
The most beautiful boat I have seen to date is Baby Bootlegger.
Sneakeasy is "modeled" after earlier boats and it certainly
caught my attention the first time I saw it. I love the
lines. Unfortunately (for my needs) as designed it is not meant for
rough water and/or high speeds. I will admit to spending far
more time than I should trying to come up with a "fast"
bottom, which I could actually build, and which would not
ruin the classic lines of Sneakeasy. So far no luck.
Which leads to the subject line. In "Poor Man's Cigarette"
I had hoped that Bolger had come up with an easy to build
fast boat. I am sorry this doesn't seem to be the case.
<dream>
Cruising the Navajo arm of Lake Powell in my small
block Chevy powered mid engine "Sneakeasy".
</dream>
hal
> If my boat is very long and skinny why should anyone come to theAssociating a fast boat with a certain body part and
> conclusion that I am trying to overcome some lacking in genetilia
> length? It is only a long fast boat but it seems unsatisfied people
> must take a natural human instinct to go faster or higher and
> construed it to a very base level. I think a long sleek deck on a
> Sneakeasy brings back the look of the V16 Lincoln and a Torpedo
> Phaeton Duesenberg.
the owner lacking in the same is not something
I am concerned about.
The most beautiful boat I have seen to date is Baby Bootlegger.
Sneakeasy is "modeled" after earlier boats and it certainly
caught my attention the first time I saw it. I love the
lines. Unfortunately (for my needs) as designed it is not meant for
rough water and/or high speeds. I will admit to spending far
more time than I should trying to come up with a "fast"
bottom, which I could actually build, and which would not
ruin the classic lines of Sneakeasy. So far no luck.
Which leads to the subject line. In "Poor Man's Cigarette"
I had hoped that Bolger had come up with an easy to build
fast boat. I am sorry this doesn't seem to be the case.
<dream>
Cruising the Navajo arm of Lake Powell in my small
block Chevy powered mid engine "Sneakeasy".
</dream>
hal
I for one can never understand why psychology with Jung-isms and
Freudian theory should spoil the quest for speed. As if riding in or
owning any boat that even looks like it could be fast is a neurotic
response.
I for one can never understand why psychology with Jung-isms and
Freudian theory should spoil the quest for speed. As if riding in or
owning any boat that even looks like it could be fast is a neurotic
response.
If my boat is very long and skinny why should anyone come to the
conclusion that I am trying to overcome some lacking in genetilia
length? It is only a long fast boat but it seems unsatisfied people
must take a natural human instinct to go faster or higher and
construed it to a very base level. I think a long sleek deck on a
Sneakeasy brings back the look of the V16 Lincoln and a Torpedo
Phaeton Duesenberg.
I love the thrill of speed and I have had thoughts late at night of
placing a Mazda 240 hp Rotary motor in a Sneakeasy. Besides sex is
safe and mundane. A 240 hp Sneakeasy has a very real potential of
hurting you and not in a nice way.
I like speed and it has always been in my blood right along with
boats. Sanger V drives and fast sailing Catamarans felt good and I'm
sure a Bolger Sneakeasy with outlandish power could give me a speed
rush just the same. Lets keep sexual analogies out of the equations.
If you don't like speed or long fast boats that is good for you and I
wish you the best. Everyone can have an opinion that reflects their
personal taste without degrading another's. we are all right in our
own preference.
Freudian theory should spoil the quest for speed. As if riding in or
owning any boat that even looks like it could be fast is a neurotic
response.
I for one can never understand why psychology with Jung-isms and
Freudian theory should spoil the quest for speed. As if riding in or
owning any boat that even looks like it could be fast is a neurotic
response.
If my boat is very long and skinny why should anyone come to the
conclusion that I am trying to overcome some lacking in genetilia
length? It is only a long fast boat but it seems unsatisfied people
must take a natural human instinct to go faster or higher and
construed it to a very base level. I think a long sleek deck on a
Sneakeasy brings back the look of the V16 Lincoln and a Torpedo
Phaeton Duesenberg.
I love the thrill of speed and I have had thoughts late at night of
placing a Mazda 240 hp Rotary motor in a Sneakeasy. Besides sex is
safe and mundane. A 240 hp Sneakeasy has a very real potential of
hurting you and not in a nice way.
I like speed and it has always been in my blood right along with
boats. Sanger V drives and fast sailing Catamarans felt good and I'm
sure a Bolger Sneakeasy with outlandish power could give me a speed
rush just the same. Lets keep sexual analogies out of the equations.
If you don't like speed or long fast boats that is good for you and I
wish you the best. Everyone can have an opinion that reflects their
personal taste without degrading another's. we are all right in our
own preference.
--- In bolger@y..., wmrpage@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/4/02 4:15:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
hal@c...
> writes:
>
>
> > I have heard reference to a "poor man's cigarette" designed
> > by Bolger several times recently. Can anyone give me some
> > details?
> >
>
> No details, merely speculation. I interpret "cigarette boat"
to mean a
> long, narrow, power boat with pretensions to speed. The
original "Cigarettes"
> were, I believe, deep-V off-shore power race boats, built in FL by
someone
> presumably inspired by Ray Hunt's designs for Richard
Bertram's "Moppies",
> and who (the builder) may or may not have subsequently been
incarcerated for
> drug smuggling when the racing powerboat business was slack. (I
like the
> term "pecker" boats. Not having the wherewithall to own one of
these beasts,
> I like to believe that the owners of the same are compensating for
perceived
> inadequacy of a certain organ as well as frailities of character,
taste,
> consideration and other virtues.)
>
> Bolger published the cartoon for "Sneakeasy" in the old SBJ
in
> response to a reader who was enamored by an article in Wooden Boat
featuring
> the George Crouch-designed, 1924 and 1925 Gold Cup-winning "Baby
Bootlegger"
> and sought a design he could put a domestic V-8 inboard auto engine
into that
> would give him something that would resemble that boat. "Baby
Bootlegger" was
> about as phallic a race boat as could be built. Long, narrow and
> "stream-lined" it was powered by a Curtiss-Wright-build Hispano-
Suiza V-8
> aircraft engine, which was state-of-the-art for power plants in
those days.
> (The 1924 Gold Cup should have been awarded to "Maple Leaf IV",
also
> Crouch-designed, which won the first two of three heats, and a much
more
> innovative and attractive craft than "Baby Bootlegger", IMHO.)
>
> Bolger's cartoon was for a long, narrow power sharpie: the
now famous
> "Sneakeasy", which was originally intended to provide no-wake
cruising in
> Florida water-front property developments with a 10-15 hp. outboard
motor. I
> remember thinking at the time that his cartoon didn't quite seem in
the
> spirit of SBJ's correspondent's wishes, but it certainly is about
as phallic
> a boat as one could contrive. Numbers of these boats have been
built,
> including one by our MODERATOR, Gregg Carlson. A search
for "Sneakeasy" will
> yield pictures of lots of very attractive boats. Not all of them
are as
> conservatively powered as Bolger originally specified.
>
> Of course, what might constitute a "poor man's cigarette" is
all
> relative to one's income. In Dave Gerr's "The Nature of Boats", pp.
178-179,
> he presents the "Needle": 54' L.O.A. X 6'6" beam X 800 bhp = 70
Kts, a boat
> so efficient that "You may be able to afford to blast off in one of
these
> rockets without selling your family's assets for fuel."!!! Maybe
you, maybe
> Gerr, but definitely not me!
>
> Ciao for Niao,
> Bill in MN
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]b
--- In bolger@y..., wmrpage@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/4/02 4:15:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
hal@c...
> writes:
>
>
> > I have heard reference to a "poor man's cigarette" designed
> > by Bolger several times recently. Can anyone give me some
> > details?
> >
>
> No details, merely speculation. I interpret "cigarette boat"
to mean a
> long, narrow, power boat with pretensions to speed. The
original "Cigarettes"
> were, I believe, deep-V off-shore power race boats, built in FL by
someone
> presumably inspired by Ray Hunt's designs for Richard
Bertram's "Moppies",
> and who (the builder) may or may not have subsequently been
incarcerated for
> drug smuggling when the racing powerboat business was slack. (I
like the
> term "pecker" boats. Not having the wherewithall to own one of
these beasts,
> I like to believe that the owners of the same are compensating for
perceived
> inadequacy of a certain organ as well as frailities of character,
taste,
> consideration and other virtues.)
>
> Bolger published the cartoon for "Sneakeasy" in the old SBJ
in
> response to a reader who was enamored by an article in Wooden Boat
featuring
> the George Crouch-designed, 1924 and 1925 Gold Cup-winning "Baby
Bootlegger"
> and sought a design he could put a domestic V-8 inboard auto engine
into that
> would give him something that would resemble that boat. "Baby
Bootlegger" was
> about as phallic a race boat as could be built. Long, narrow and
> "stream-lined" it was powered by a Curtiss-Wright-build Hispano-
Suiza V-8
> aircraft engine, which was state-of-the-art for power plants in
those days.
> (The 1924 Gold Cup should have been awarded to "Maple Leaf IV",
also
> Crouch-designed, which won the first two of three heats, and a much
more
> innovative and attractive craft than "Baby Bootlegger", IMHO.)
>
> Bolger's cartoon was for a long, narrow power sharpie: the
now famous
> "Sneakeasy", which was originally intended to provide no-wake
cruising in
> Florida water-front property developments with a 10-15 hp. outboard
motor. I
> remember thinking at the time that his cartoon didn't quite seem in
the
> spirit of SBJ's correspondent's wishes, but it certainly is about
as phallic
> a boat as one could contrive. Numbers of these boats have been
built,
> including one by our MODERATOR, Gregg Carlson. A search
for "Sneakeasy" will
> yield pictures of lots of very attractive boats. Not all of them
are as
> conservatively powered as Bolger originally specified.
>
> Of course, what might constitute a "poor man's cigarette" is
all
> relative to one's income. In Dave Gerr's "The Nature of Boats", pp.
178-179,
> he presents the "Needle": 54' L.O.A. X 6'6" beam X 800 bhp = 70
Kts, a boat
> so efficient that "You may be able to afford to blast off in one of
these
> rockets without selling your family's assets for fuel."!!! Maybe
you, maybe
> Gerr, but definitely not me!
>
> Ciao for Niao,
> Bill in MN
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]b
--- In bolger@y..., wmrpage@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/4/02 4:15:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
hal@c...
> writes:
>
>
> > I have heard reference to a "poor man's cigarette" designed
> > by Bolger several times recently. Can anyone give me some
> > details?
> >
>
> No details, merely speculation. I interpret "cigarette boat"
to mean a
> long, narrow, power boat with pretensions to speed. The
original "Cigarettes"
> were, I believe, deep-V off-shore power race boats, built in FL by
someone
> presumably inspired by Ray Hunt's designs for Richard
Bertram's "Moppies",
> and who (the builder) may or may not have subsequently been
incarcerated for
> drug smuggling when the racing powerboat business was slack. (I
like the
> term "pecker" boats. Not having the wherewithall to own one of
these beasts,
> I like to believe that the owners of the same are compensating for
perceived
> inadequacy of a certain organ as well as frailities of character,
taste,
> consideration and other virtues.)
>
> Bolger published the cartoon for "Sneakeasy" in the old SBJ
in
> response to a reader who was enamored by an article in Wooden Boat
featuring
> the George Crouch-designed, 1924 and 1925 Gold Cup-winning "Baby
Bootlegger"
> and sought a design he could put a domestic V-8 inboard auto engine
into that
> would give him something that would resemble that boat. "Baby
Bootlegger" was
> about as phallic a race boat as could be built. Long, narrow and
> "stream-lined" it was powered by a Curtiss-Wright-build Hispano-
Suiza V-8
> aircraft engine, which was state-of-the-art for power plants in
those days.
> (The 1924 Gold Cup should have been awarded to "Maple Leaf IV",
also
> Crouch-designed, which won the first two of three heats, and a much
more
> innovative and attractive craft than "Baby Bootlegger", IMHO.)
>
> Bolger's cartoon was for a long, narrow power sharpie: the
now famous
> "Sneakeasy", which was originally intended to provide no-wake
cruising in
> Florida water-front property developments with a 10-15 hp. outboard
motor. I
> remember thinking at the time that his cartoon didn't quite seem in
the
> spirit of SBJ's correspondent's wishes, but it certainly is about
as phallic
> a boat as one could contrive. Numbers of these boats have been
built,
> including one by our MODERATOR, Gregg Carlson. A search
for "Sneakeasy" will
> yield pictures of lots of very attractive boats. Not all of them
are as
> conservatively powered as Bolger originally specified.
>
> Of course, what might constitute a "poor man's cigarette" is
all
> relative to one's income. In Dave Gerr's "The Nature of Boats", pp.
178-179,
> he presents the "Needle": 54' L.O.A. X 6'6" beam X 800 bhp = 70
Kts, a boat
> so efficient that "You may be able to afford to blast off in one of
these
> rockets without selling your family's assets for fuel."!!! Maybe
you, maybe
> Gerr, but definitely not me!
>
> Ciao for Niao,
> Bill in MN
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]b
In a message dated 9/4/02 4:15:08 PM Central Daylight Time,hal@...
writes:
long, narrow, power boat with pretensions to speed. The original "Cigarettes"
were, I believe, deep-V off-shore power race boats, built in FL by someone
presumably inspired by Ray Hunt's designs for Richard Bertram's "Moppies",
and who (the builder) may or may not have subsequently been incarcerated for
drug smuggling when the racing powerboat business was slack. (I like the
term "pecker" boats. Not having the wherewithall to own one of these beasts,
I like to believe that the owners of the same are compensating for perceived
inadequacy of a certain organ as well as frailities of character, taste,
consideration and other virtues.)
Bolger published the cartoon for "Sneakeasy" in the old SBJ in
response to a reader who was enamored by an article in Wooden Boat featuring
the George Crouch-designed, 1924 and 1925 Gold Cup-winning "Baby Bootlegger"
and sought a design he could put a domestic V-8 inboard auto engine into that
would give him something that would resemble that boat. "Baby Bootlegger" was
about as phallic a race boat as could be built. Long, narrow and
"stream-lined" it was powered by a Curtiss-Wright-build Hispano-Suiza V-8
aircraft engine, which was state-of-the-art for power plants in those days.
(The 1924 Gold Cup should have been awarded to "Maple Leaf IV", also
Crouch-designed, which won the first two of three heats, and a much more
innovative and attractive craft than "Baby Bootlegger", IMHO.)
Bolger's cartoon was for a long, narrow power sharpie: the now famous
"Sneakeasy", which was originally intended to provide no-wake cruising in
Florida water-front property developments with a 10-15 hp. outboard motor. I
remember thinking at the time that his cartoon didn't quite seem in the
spirit of SBJ's correspondent's wishes, but it certainly is about as phallic
a boat as one could contrive. Numbers of these boats have been built,
including one by our MODERATOR, Gregg Carlson. A search for "Sneakeasy" will
yield pictures of lots of very attractive boats. Not all of them are as
conservatively powered as Bolger originally specified.
Of course, what might constitute a "poor man's cigarette" is all
relative to one's income. In Dave Gerr's "The Nature of Boats", pp. 178-179,
he presents the "Needle": 54' L.O.A. X 6'6" beam X 800 bhp = 70 Kts, a boat
so efficient that "You may be able to afford to blast off in one of these
rockets without selling your family's assets for fuel."!!! Maybe you, maybe
Gerr, but definitely not me!
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
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writes:
> I have heard reference to a "poor man's cigarette" designedNo details, merely speculation. I interpret "cigarette boat" to mean a
> by Bolger several times recently. Can anyone give me some
> details?
>
long, narrow, power boat with pretensions to speed. The original "Cigarettes"
were, I believe, deep-V off-shore power race boats, built in FL by someone
presumably inspired by Ray Hunt's designs for Richard Bertram's "Moppies",
and who (the builder) may or may not have subsequently been incarcerated for
drug smuggling when the racing powerboat business was slack. (I like the
term "pecker" boats. Not having the wherewithall to own one of these beasts,
I like to believe that the owners of the same are compensating for perceived
inadequacy of a certain organ as well as frailities of character, taste,
consideration and other virtues.)
Bolger published the cartoon for "Sneakeasy" in the old SBJ in
response to a reader who was enamored by an article in Wooden Boat featuring
the George Crouch-designed, 1924 and 1925 Gold Cup-winning "Baby Bootlegger"
and sought a design he could put a domestic V-8 inboard auto engine into that
would give him something that would resemble that boat. "Baby Bootlegger" was
about as phallic a race boat as could be built. Long, narrow and
"stream-lined" it was powered by a Curtiss-Wright-build Hispano-Suiza V-8
aircraft engine, which was state-of-the-art for power plants in those days.
(The 1924 Gold Cup should have been awarded to "Maple Leaf IV", also
Crouch-designed, which won the first two of three heats, and a much more
innovative and attractive craft than "Baby Bootlegger", IMHO.)
Bolger's cartoon was for a long, narrow power sharpie: the now famous
"Sneakeasy", which was originally intended to provide no-wake cruising in
Florida water-front property developments with a 10-15 hp. outboard motor. I
remember thinking at the time that his cartoon didn't quite seem in the
spirit of SBJ's correspondent's wishes, but it certainly is about as phallic
a boat as one could contrive. Numbers of these boats have been built,
including one by our MODERATOR, Gregg Carlson. A search for "Sneakeasy" will
yield pictures of lots of very attractive boats. Not all of them are as
conservatively powered as Bolger originally specified.
Of course, what might constitute a "poor man's cigarette" is all
relative to one's income. In Dave Gerr's "The Nature of Boats", pp. 178-179,
he presents the "Needle": 54' L.O.A. X 6'6" beam X 800 bhp = 70 Kts, a boat
so efficient that "You may be able to afford to blast off in one of these
rockets without selling your family's assets for fuel."!!! Maybe you, maybe
Gerr, but definitely not me!
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
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This article is in the May 1980 Vol No.10 issue of SBJ on Page 26.
All the Drawings point to a boat that is 29' 11". It has many
similarities to the now Tennessee but also may design features that
are not like that boat. Bolger does admit that the boat was for a
would be home builder who wanted a boat to cruise the TVA water ways
hence the Tennessee name later emerging on a much more modified
design.
I promise I'll start posting and I am trying to get my wife to allow
some of this on our server instead of being Yahooized.
John
All the Drawings point to a boat that is 29' 11". It has many
similarities to the now Tennessee but also may design features that
are not like that boat. Bolger does admit that the boat was for a
would be home builder who wanted a boat to cruise the TVA water ways
hence the Tennessee name later emerging on a much more modified
design.
I promise I'll start posting and I am trying to get my wife to allow
some of this on our server instead of being Yahooized.
John
--- In bolger@y..., "Mark A." <marka@h...> wrote:
> This is in the ultimate SBJ archive, an early number. I have not
seen that, but a later
> clue has always had me thinking it must be Tennessee.
>
> Mark
>
> Hal Lynch wrote:
> >
> > I have heard reference to a "poor man's cigarette" designed
> > by Bolger several times recently. Can anyone give me some
> > details?
> >
> > hal
This is in the ultimate SBJ archive, an early number. I have not seen that, but a later
clue has always had me thinking it must be Tennessee.
Mark
Hal Lynch wrote:
clue has always had me thinking it must be Tennessee.
Mark
Hal Lynch wrote:
>
> I have heard reference to a "poor man's cigarette" designed
> by Bolger several times recently. Can anyone give me some
> details?
>
> hal
I have heard reference to a "poor man's cigarette" designed
by Bolger several times recently. Can anyone give me some
details?
hal
by Bolger several times recently. Can anyone give me some
details?
hal