Re: Micro
Hi
I just posted on youtube a Vid of Long Micro LOMA trip arround Koh Chang.
Warm regards
Pat
Regarding suitable inflatable kayaks for use as a tender
here is a link to the kayak which I purchased after a lot of research
The Gumotex Helios kayak is very easy to paddle and traks straight, is very light weighs approx 30lbs. It is suitable for 2 people or one person with supplies. It is not as stable as some other inflatables but it is fine for getting in and out of the long micro with its high sides. If you want a more stable platform you trade off the ease of pedaling. It is made out of the same materials as most inflatable tenders has the same type of inflation valves ect.. Inflatables are very good in a swell and surf as the conform to the wave shape somewhat. I believe the coastal search and rescue in British Columbia use this Gumotex Helios model.
Cheers
PAT
Just a few more images of Loma a Long Micro design sailing Koh Chang marine Park Thailand Cambodian border 2012 Oct.
I have some images of the building ect on my facebook page see link
Yes the inflatable Kayak works very well as a tender and is a joy to paddle it is a Gumotex design.
Warm regards
Pat
Good point.Any insights on inflatable kayak models to avoid Pat ?
From:"philbolger@..." <philbolger@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, November 4, 2012 8:14 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Micro
Pat in Thailand,
what a beautiful image to wake
up to here on the chilly East-Coast of the US this morning !
If I had a boat in the water I would return the favor with a Fall photo from Gloucester, Massachusetts.
The inflatable kayak seems a great way to cover distances with a 'dinghy' that can be rolled up for stowage aboard.
Thank you for this.
If I had a boat in the water I would return the favor with a Fall photo from Gloucester, Massachusetts.
The inflatable kayak seems a great way to cover distances with a 'dinghy' that can be rolled up for stowage aboard.
Thank you for this.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
----- Original Message -----From:PatSent:Saturday, November 03, 2012 9:09 PMSubject:[bolger] Re: MicroA little off topic but here is a pic of my long micro Loma during a 2 week cruise of Koh Chang marine park in Thailand along the Cambodian border. I will post more of trip in future
Sent from my iPadWarm regardsPatTETIAROA
Pat in Thailand,
what a beautiful image to wake
up to here on the chilly East-Coast of the US this morning !
If I had a boat in the water I would return the favor with a Fall photo from Gloucester, Massachusetts.
The inflatable kayak seems a great way to cover distances with a 'dinghy' that can be rolled up for stowage aboard.
Thank you for this.
If I had a boat in the water I would return the favor with a Fall photo from Gloucester, Massachusetts.
The inflatable kayak seems a great way to cover distances with a 'dinghy' that can be rolled up for stowage aboard.
Thank you for this.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
----- Original Message -----From:PatSent:Saturday, November 03, 2012 9:09 PMSubject:[bolger] Re: MicroA little off topic but here is a pic of my long micro Loma during a 2 week cruise of Koh Chang marine park in Thailand along the Cambodian border. I will post more of trip in future
Sent from my iPadWarm regardsPatTETIAROA
A little off topic but here is a pic of my long micro Loma during a 2 week cruise of Koh Chang marine park in Thailand along the Cambodian border. I will post more of trip in future
Sent from my iPad
Warm regards
Pat
TETIAROA
Recent photo of a Queensland Micro over in Bolger6 files. Called "tubby".
Nels
http://www.adirondackgoodboat.com/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "RexW" <rnwhitejr@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone know if anyone builds this boat ? I am not as interested in
building one as I am owning one. Rex
>
Anyone know if anyone builds this boat ? I am not as interested in building one as I am owning one. Rex
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
Windermere or my slow-a-coming Topaz Spyder.
> Peter wrote:To take the pressure off, lets see which boat launches later,
> >
> > But alas, I'm giving it one more go and so yes, 2010,early summer, should see something getting launched.
Windermere or my slow-a-coming Topaz Spyder.
Peter
I would like to be there but it is just too far. I had hoped to see you
at Phil's memorial, I can only afford those kinds of trips very
occasionally. I will push Seth to attend for both of us and maybe send a
case of Alaskan Amber to help lubricate the celebration.
I think your long term relationship, struggle, affair and obsession with
Windermere is a lesson in the cube rule for all of us. We build boats,
we get older, we build bigger boats and somewhere the declining
abilities curve crosses the demands of a "little bit larger is a lot
more work". I looked in on Fritz's construction of Double Eagle and I am
still awe struck on what one man was able to accomplish. I can't do it
now and I couldn't have done it when I was younger and a lot tougher.. I
came to a conclusion then that if I ever build a boat over 4000 lbs I
won't do it without hiring help. Life is just too short and getting
shorter.
I look forward to seeing pictures of Windermere on the water, finished
and you relaxed at the helm.
HJ
Peter wrote:
I would like to be there but it is just too far. I had hoped to see you
at Phil's memorial, I can only afford those kinds of trips very
occasionally. I will push Seth to attend for both of us and maybe send a
case of Alaskan Amber to help lubricate the celebration.
I think your long term relationship, struggle, affair and obsession with
Windermere is a lesson in the cube rule for all of us. We build boats,
we get older, we build bigger boats and somewhere the declining
abilities curve crosses the demands of a "little bit larger is a lot
more work". I looked in on Fritz's construction of Double Eagle and I am
still awe struck on what one man was able to accomplish. I can't do it
now and I couldn't have done it when I was younger and a lot tougher.. I
came to a conclusion then that if I ever build a boat over 4000 lbs I
won't do it without hiring help. Life is just too short and getting
shorter.
I look forward to seeing pictures of Windermere on the water, finished
and you relaxed at the helm.
HJ
Peter wrote:
> Hi Harry,
>
> I've been hearing the same terrible rumours now for a couple of years.Nasty things these rumours!
>
> But alas, I'm giving it one more go and so yes, 2010,early summer, should see something getting launched.Either the boat or myself after my gf sluggs me a good one to the kisser!
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan, presently looking through the glacier almanac for s suitable boat name...........
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>> So Peter
>>
>> Is there a launching sched for 2010??
>>
>> HJ
>>
>>
>
Hi Harry,
I've been hearing the same terrible rumours now for a couple of years.Nasty things these rumours!
But alas, I'm giving it one more go and so yes, 2010,early summer, should see something getting launched.Either the boat or myself after my gf sluggs me a good one to the kisser!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, presently looking through the glacier almanac for s suitable boat name...........
I've been hearing the same terrible rumours now for a couple of years.Nasty things these rumours!
But alas, I'm giving it one more go and so yes, 2010,early summer, should see something getting launched.Either the boat or myself after my gf sluggs me a good one to the kisser!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, presently looking through the glacier almanac for s suitable boat name...........
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> So Peter
>
> Is there a launching sched for 2010??
>
> HJ
>
> Peter wrote:
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@> wrote:
> >
> >> Anybody know the history of this Micro?
> >>
> >>http://www.sailingtexas.com/sbolgermicro16100.html
> >>
> >> Recent note added at the bottom of the ad is interesting!
> >>
> >> Nels
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Nels,
> >
> > Can't really help with the ID of this particular MICRO, but I can attest to the validity of that "recent note added"....downstream on the St.Lawrence is fast going and the MICROis no slouch in the right winds......something I hope your discover yourself one day with LESTAT....you lucky bugg! :D:D
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Peter Lenihan,.....pining for the fiords
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
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> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
So Peter
Is there a launching sched for 2010??
HJ
Peter wrote:
Is there a launching sched for 2010??
HJ
Peter wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
>> Anybody know the history of this Micro?
>>
>>http://www.sailingtexas.com/sbolgermicro16100.html
>>
>> Recent note added at the bottom of the ad is interesting!
>>
>> Nels
>>
>
>
>
> Hi Nels,
>
> Can't really help with the ID of this particular MICRO, but I can attest to the validity of that "recent note added"....downstream on the St.Lawrence is fast going and the MICROis no slouch in the right winds......something I hope your discover yourself one day with LESTAT....you lucky bugg! :D:D
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Peter Lenihan,.....pining for the fiords
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
Can't really help with the ID of this particular MICRO, but I can attest to the validity of that "recent note added"....downstream on the St.Lawrence is fast going and the MICROis no slouch in the right winds......something I hope your discover yourself one day with LESTAT....you lucky bugg! :D:D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,.....pining for the fiords
>Hi Nels,
> Anybody know the history of this Micro?
>
>http://www.sailingtexas.com/sbolgermicro16100.html
>
> Recent note added at the bottom of the ad is interesting!
>
> Nels
Can't really help with the ID of this particular MICRO, but I can attest to the validity of that "recent note added"....downstream on the St.Lawrence is fast going and the MICROis no slouch in the right winds......something I hope your discover yourself one day with LESTAT....you lucky bugg! :D:D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,.....pining for the fiords
Thanks Thomas,
Really looks great. Also I like the trailer design.
Nels
Really looks great. Also I like the trailer design.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas" <iambrutis@...> wrote:
>
> Looks to me like it belongs Mason Smith theres a bunch more pictures
on his website
>http://www.adirondackgoodboat.com/usedboats.html#usedboats
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" arvent@ wrote:
> >
> > Anybody know the history of this Micro?
> >
> >http://www.sailingtexas.com/sbolgermicro16100.html
> >
> > Recent note added at the bottom of the ad is interesting!
> >
> > Nels
> >
>
Looks to me like it belongs Mason Smith theres a bunch more pictures on his website
http://www.adirondackgoodboat.com/usedboats.html#usedboats
Thomas
http://www.adirondackgoodboat.com/usedboats.html#usedboats
Thomas
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> Anybody know the history of this Micro?
>
>http://www.sailingtexas.com/sbolgermicro16100.html
>
> Recent note added at the bottom of the ad is interesting!
>
> Nels
>
Anybody know the history of this Micro?
http://www.sailingtexas.com/sbolgermicro16100.html
Recent note added at the bottom of the ad is interesting!
Nels
http://www.sailingtexas.com/sbolgermicro16100.html
Recent note added at the bottom of the ad is interesting!
Nels
Stuart, she would make a great river cruiser. We ran mine up the Hudson river and up Lake Champlain, then back to the Jersey coast and down to Delaware one summer--great trip. I am partial to inboard diesels myself, but the 50 hp high thrust Yamaha specified proved to be reliable,quiet and fuel efficient, and of course supremely simple to install. Sam
--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Stuart Crawford <stuartcnz@...> wrote:
From: Stuart Crawford <stuartcnz@...>
Subject: Re: [bolger] Topaz
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 6:05 PM
Thanks for the reply Sam. I was considering Topaz because with a beam of
7¹4², it will fit inside a shipping container (inside dimensions 7¹8²) and I
though it would be a good boat for the canals and rivers in Europe and other
places. One of the questions I have asked in my letter to Bolger is whether
the engine setup for the proposed Sitka Explorer would work in Topaz, which
I think was about 30hp diesel. I have also questioned him about the
feasibility of adding another three to six feet in length for added storage,
heater and showering area. That extra length would still fit inside a 40
foot container which allows about 39 foot inside length. It will be
interesting to see his response.
The boat as it is definitely sounds very capable from what you have written.
Stuart.
On 29/11/08 2:47 AM, "Sam Glasscock" <glasscocklanding@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Stuart, I built and ran a Topaz for several years, and loved it. The boat can
> handle some big water, If you are prudent. I used her in Delaware Bay and the
> adjacent ocean, and ran her many times in the Chesapeake, the ocean from Sandy
> Hook, N.J. down to Delaware, across Florida Bay and down the Florida Keys,
> etc. Being flat bottomed and light, she will roll deeply in a steep chop on
> the beam. At certain speeds into a chop she will pound heavily. And you have
> an open cockpit forward, so I suppose in very bad conditions she could take a
> lot of green water aboard in the bow, although this never happened to me.
> Longer waves she rides like a duck. Bolger used the same hull form for
> all-weather cruisers like Tahiti, so he obviously has a lot of faith in it,
> All in all, a very capable trailer cruiser, although like any boat it is the
> skipper that makes the trip safe and comfortable, as much as the boat, of
> course. Sam.
>
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Thanks for the reply Sam. I was considering Topaz because with a beam of
7¹4², it will fit inside a shipping container (inside dimensions 7¹8²) and I
though it would be a good boat for the canals and rivers in Europe and other
places. One of the questions I have asked in my letter to Bolger is whether
the engine setup for the proposed Sitka Explorer would work in Topaz, which
I think was about 30hp diesel. I have also questioned him about the
feasibility of adding another three to six feet in length for added storage,
heater and showering area. That extra length would still fit inside a 40
foot container which allows about 39 foot inside length. It will be
interesting to see his response.
The boat as it is definitely sounds very capable from what you have written.
Stuart.
7¹4², it will fit inside a shipping container (inside dimensions 7¹8²) and I
though it would be a good boat for the canals and rivers in Europe and other
places. One of the questions I have asked in my letter to Bolger is whether
the engine setup for the proposed Sitka Explorer would work in Topaz, which
I think was about 30hp diesel. I have also questioned him about the
feasibility of adding another three to six feet in length for added storage,
heater and showering area. That extra length would still fit inside a 40
foot container which allows about 39 foot inside length. It will be
interesting to see his response.
The boat as it is definitely sounds very capable from what you have written.
Stuart.
On 29/11/08 2:47 AM, "Sam Glasscock" <glasscocklanding@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Stuart, I built and ran a Topaz for several years, and loved it. The boat can
> handle some big water, If you are prudent. I used her in Delaware Bay and the
> adjacent ocean, and ran her many times in the Chesapeake, the ocean from Sandy
> Hook, N.J. down to Delaware, across Florida Bay and down the Florida Keys,
> etc. Being flat bottomed and light, she will roll deeply in a steep chop on
> the beam. At certain speeds into a chop she will pound heavily. And you have
> an open cockpit forward, so I suppose in very bad conditions she could take a
> lot of green water aboard in the bow, although this never happened to me.
> Longer waves she rides like a duck. Bolger used the same hull form for
> all-weather cruisers like Tahiti, so he obviously has a lot of faith in it,
> All in all, a very capable trailer cruiser, although like any boat it is the
> skipper that makes the trip safe and comfortable, as much as the boat, of
> course. Sam.
>
--
http://nomadichome.blogspot.com
http://keltwegiankiwi.blogspot.com
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The house top has a lot of curvature so you can stay with the 1/4 there. The main deck was way too flexible. I ended up doubling the original 1/4 but I suspect that 3/8 would be enough there.
Micro will take the 15 mph winds in stride with stock sails. When it is 15 with gusts to 30 you need to reef. At that point things are as calm and easy. I sailed my Micro for years in reservoirs and never reefed, even planed a couple of times. When I started sailing in the coastal lakes I enjoyed going out reefed in conditions that kept the Santana/SanJuan types at the dock.
MylesJ
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Micro will take the 15 mph winds in stride with stock sails. When it is 15 with gusts to 30 you need to reef. At that point things are as calm and easy. I sailed my Micro for years in reservoirs and never reefed, even planed a couple of times. When I started sailing in the coastal lakes I enjoyed going out reefed in conditions that kept the Santana/SanJuan types at the dock.
MylesJ
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Stuart, I built and ran a Topaz for several years, and loved it. The boat can handle some big water, If you are prudent. I used her in Delaware Bay and the adjacent ocean, and ran her many times in the Chesapeake, the ocean from Sandy Hook, N.J. down to Delaware, across Florida Bay and down the Florida Keys, etc. Being flat bottomed and light, she will roll deeply in a steep chop on the beam. At certain speeds into a chop she will pound heavily. And you have an open cockpit forward, so I suppose in very bad conditions she could take a lot of green water aboard in the bow, although this never happened to me. Longer waves she rides like a duck. Bolger used the same hull form for all-weather cruisers like Tahiti, so he obviously has a lot of faith in it, All in all, a very capable trailer cruiser, although like any boat it is the skipper that makes the trip safe and comfortable, as much as the boat, of course. Sam.
--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Stuart Crawford <stuartcnz@...> wrote:
From: Stuart Crawford <stuartcnz@...>
Subject: [bolger] Topaz
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 4:18 AM
I posted a letter to Bolger asking a few questions about Topaz yesterday,
but thought I would ask if anyone here can give me a first hand description
of how it handles. How much weather is it suitable for?
Stuart.
--
http://nomadichome. blogspot. com
http://keltwegianki wi.blogspot. com
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I posted a letter to Bolger asking a few questions about Topaz yesterday,
but thought I would ask if anyone here can give me a first hand description
of how it handles. How much weather is it suitable for?
Stuart.
--
http://nomadichome.blogspot.com
http://keltwegiankiwi.blogspot.com
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but thought I would ask if anyone here can give me a first hand description
of how it handles. How much weather is it suitable for?
Stuart.
--
http://nomadichome.blogspot.com
http://keltwegiankiwi.blogspot.com
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HiI built my "Micro" entirely from 1/2 okuome plywood. While sailing through Gloucester about five years ago Phil and Suzzane came out in their boat to check us out. I asked Phil if he was Ok with my using the heavier ply. His reply was that he only specified 1/4" because it was cheap and that the extra weight of the heavier ply was not an issue. Given your materials list I'd say 1/2 for the bottom 3/8 for the sides 1/4 elsewhere if there was any extra 1/2 I'd put in the transom. If your just going to sail on a lake I'd not build a micro. It likes a bit of wind and really doesn't go to windward well. It also takes some time to get ready to sail if you're going to trail it. We use ours as a floating camper for which it is very well suited. I've attached a picture of it at fourteen years old a veteran of the Sea of Cortez, the Pacific Northwest and now it's new home the coast of Maine.To:bolger@yahoogroups.comFrom:loyseal1@...: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:19:34 +0000Subject: [bolger] Micro
My boat shop is now finished and I picked up a load of marine ply from
Riverside Lumber when I was in New Orleans last week. Of course I have
lots of plans to choose from. I really want to build a Micro. My wife
wants me to build a day sailer like the Core Sound 17. She says the
Micro is too fat. I have plans for both. We sail on a lake in North
Louisiana where winds can range from non existent to strong. I had my
Surf in 15 mph winds once and I lived to tell about it. My GPS did
read 5.7 knots! I digress.
IF I build the Micro, I have choices from which to choose for ply. I
have 4 sheets of 1/2", four sheets of 3/8", and lots of 1/4" (I
figured that if I have the wood, I will build more boats).
What are your recommendations for which ply to use for the bottom,
sides, and decks? I know the plans call for 1/4" but I have seen lots of
variations on the internet.
AND any arguments in favor of the Micro I can use with my wife would
be appreciated.
Loy
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My boat shop is now finished and I picked up a load of marine ply from
Riverside Lumber when I was in New Orleans last week. Of course I have
lots of plans to choose from. I really want to build a Micro. My wife
wants me to build a day sailer like the Core Sound 17. She says the
Micro is too fat. I have plans for both. We sail on a lake in North
Louisiana where winds can range from non existent to strong. I had my
Surf in 15 mph winds once and I lived to tell about it. My GPS did
read 5.7 knots! I digress.
IF I build the Micro, I have choices from which to choose for ply. I
have 4 sheets of 1/2", four sheets of 3/8", and lots of 1/4" (I
figured that if I have the wood, I will build more boats).
What are your recommendations for which ply to use for the bottom,
sides, and decks? I know the plans call for 1/4" but I have seen lots of
variations on the internet.
AND any arguments in favor of the Micro I can use with my wife would
be appreciated.
Loy
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So, I am pretty set on 1/2" bottom. I am thinking of 1/4" sides and
using the 3/8 for the deck sitting area and for the house top.
Loy
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene Tehansky <goldranger02-boats@...>
wrote:
using the 3/8 for the deck sitting area and for the house top.
Loy
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene Tehansky <goldranger02-boats@...>
wrote:
>
> Loy,
> The plans also say for the bottom, layers of 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch or
> 3/4 inch, the weight being no problem. I also felt that a second
> layer of 1/4 inch to a point a bit above the waterline would make
> the sides more secure. Otherwise, 1/4 inch for all the rest.
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
>
> On 26 Nov, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Loy Seal wrote:
>
> > My boat shop is now finished and I picked up a load of marine ply from
> > Riverside Lumber when I was in New Orleans last week. Of course I have
> > lots of plans to choose from. I really want to build a Micro. My wife
> > wants me to build a day sailer like the Core Sound 17. She says the
> > Micro is too fat. I have plans for both. We sail on a lake in North
> > Louisiana where winds can range from non existent to strong. I had my
> > Surf in 15 mph winds once and I lived to tell about it. My GPS did
> > read 5.7 knots! I digress.
> >
> > IF I build the Micro, I have choices from which to choose for ply. I
> > have 4 sheets of 1/2", four sheets of 3/8", and lots of 1/4" (I
> > figured that if I have the wood, I will build more boats).
> >
> > What are your recommendations for which ply to use for the bottom,
> > sides, and decks? I know the plans call for 1/4" but I have seen
> > lots of
> > variations on the internet.
> >
> > AND any arguments in favor of the Micro I can use with my wife would
> > be appreciated.
> > Loy
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Loy,
The plans also say for the bottom, layers of 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch or
3/4 inch, the weight being no problem. I also felt that a second
layer of 1/4 inch to a point a bit above the waterline would make
the sides more secure. Otherwise, 1/4 inch for all the rest.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
The plans also say for the bottom, layers of 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch or
3/4 inch, the weight being no problem. I also felt that a second
layer of 1/4 inch to a point a bit above the waterline would make
the sides more secure. Otherwise, 1/4 inch for all the rest.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
On 26 Nov, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Loy Seal wrote:
> My boat shop is now finished and I picked up a load of marine ply from
> Riverside Lumber when I was in New Orleans last week. Of course I have
> lots of plans to choose from. I really want to build a Micro. My wife
> wants me to build a day sailer like the Core Sound 17. She says the
> Micro is too fat. I have plans for both. We sail on a lake in North
> Louisiana where winds can range from non existent to strong. I had my
> Surf in 15 mph winds once and I lived to tell about it. My GPS did
> read 5.7 knots! I digress.
>
> IF I build the Micro, I have choices from which to choose for ply. I
> have 4 sheets of 1/2", four sheets of 3/8", and lots of 1/4" (I
> figured that if I have the wood, I will build more boats).
>
> What are your recommendations for which ply to use for the bottom,
> sides, and decks? I know the plans call for 1/4" but I have seen
> lots of
> variations on the internet.
>
> AND any arguments in favor of the Micro I can use with my wife would
> be appreciated.
> Loy
>
>
>
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My boat shop is now finished and I picked up a load of marine ply from
Riverside Lumber when I was in New Orleans last week. Of course I have
lots of plans to choose from. I really want to build a Micro. My wife
wants me to build a day sailer like the Core Sound 17. She says the
Micro is too fat. I have plans for both. We sail on a lake in North
Louisiana where winds can range from non existent to strong. I had my
Surf in 15 mph winds once and I lived to tell about it. My GPS did
read 5.7 knots! I digress.
IF I build the Micro, I have choices from which to choose for ply. I
have 4 sheets of 1/2", four sheets of 3/8", and lots of 1/4" (I
figured that if I have the wood, I will build more boats).
What are your recommendations for which ply to use for the bottom,
sides, and decks? I know the plans call for 1/4" but I have seen lots of
variations on the internet.
AND any arguments in favor of the Micro I can use with my wife would
be appreciated.
Loy
Riverside Lumber when I was in New Orleans last week. Of course I have
lots of plans to choose from. I really want to build a Micro. My wife
wants me to build a day sailer like the Core Sound 17. She says the
Micro is too fat. I have plans for both. We sail on a lake in North
Louisiana where winds can range from non existent to strong. I had my
Surf in 15 mph winds once and I lived to tell about it. My GPS did
read 5.7 knots! I digress.
IF I build the Micro, I have choices from which to choose for ply. I
have 4 sheets of 1/2", four sheets of 3/8", and lots of 1/4" (I
figured that if I have the wood, I will build more boats).
What are your recommendations for which ply to use for the bottom,
sides, and decks? I know the plans call for 1/4" but I have seen lots of
variations on the internet.
AND any arguments in favor of the Micro I can use with my wife would
be appreciated.
Loy
Early pic of Paloma Blanca.
http://wboatsa.supremeit.com/boatdetail.php?
boatsID=9&class=boat&PHPSESSID=7b729e03b28114a17c5e64a7bbcbff31
http://wboatsa.supremeit.com/boatdetail.php?
boatsID=9&class=boat&PHPSESSID=7b729e03b28114a17c5e64a7bbcbff31
Dear group, I am completing a Micro which I am probably going to want to sell in due time. I would be glad to be in touch with anybody who might want to buy it. It will be a very good deal, after I have had my play-time.
The hull was well built by a Canadian cabinetemaker but it was used as an outboard cruiser, only a season or so, and since then has been ashore. It never received its ballast keel, or its spars and sails.
I have had Douglas Fowler make beautiful new tanbark sales. I am sure they will be relatively fast. Had him put an extra set of reef- points in the main.
I have just completed the ballast keel, built with half-inch Oukoume sides and oak 2 x 4s. The lead is in the form of 46 lb 1.5" thick ingots cut and fitted tightly together and set in thickened epoxy as well as being thoroughly nailed with SS nails. In order to get the full 412 lbs called for, I filled the forward end with lead and added an equal-weight amount in the after area. The rest of that is free-flooding.
I have sheathed the keel and bottom and given all that area two extra coats of epoxy..She's ready for bottom paint.
Then she will get up on her new Long trailer again and go sailing at last, with her little-used Honda 8 as auziliary.
I had her in the water as the guest of WoodenBoat for the Show at Mystic this year, since Phil was being celebrated and they wanted a good sampling of his boats at hand. Lived aboard with my daughter, 12. Had the lead inside, to sink her properly, but with no keel then could not sail her. Somebody else brought aMicro and sailed a bit, and I got to see how kicely she die and how well she handled in close quarters.
What'll somebody give me for her, after a while? Photos will be available. ---Mason Smith
The boat was built with 3/8 oukoume ply, 5-ply, not sheathed but given epoxy paint outside. It has the reinforcing battens on the bottom. I sheathed between them, preferring not to assume I could truly encapsulate them in glass without air spaces; my purpose was just to make the bottom tougher against abrasion and better-protectetd against water intrusion.
Spars include a used mizzen which had a luff groove, so I had Douglas make a bolt-rope luff on the mizzen.
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The hull was well built by a Canadian cabinetemaker but it was used as an outboard cruiser, only a season or so, and since then has been ashore. It never received its ballast keel, or its spars and sails.
I have had Douglas Fowler make beautiful new tanbark sales. I am sure they will be relatively fast. Had him put an extra set of reef- points in the main.
I have just completed the ballast keel, built with half-inch Oukoume sides and oak 2 x 4s. The lead is in the form of 46 lb 1.5" thick ingots cut and fitted tightly together and set in thickened epoxy as well as being thoroughly nailed with SS nails. In order to get the full 412 lbs called for, I filled the forward end with lead and added an equal-weight amount in the after area. The rest of that is free-flooding.
I have sheathed the keel and bottom and given all that area two extra coats of epoxy..She's ready for bottom paint.
Then she will get up on her new Long trailer again and go sailing at last, with her little-used Honda 8 as auziliary.
I had her in the water as the guest of WoodenBoat for the Show at Mystic this year, since Phil was being celebrated and they wanted a good sampling of his boats at hand. Lived aboard with my daughter, 12. Had the lead inside, to sink her properly, but with no keel then could not sail her. Somebody else brought aMicro and sailed a bit, and I got to see how kicely she die and how well she handled in close quarters.
What'll somebody give me for her, after a while? Photos will be available. ---Mason Smith
The boat was built with 3/8 oukoume ply, 5-ply, not sheathed but given epoxy paint outside. It has the reinforcing battens on the bottom. I sheathed between them, preferring not to assume I could truly encapsulate them in glass without air spaces; my purpose was just to make the bottom tougher against abrasion and better-protectetd against water intrusion.
Spars include a used mizzen which had a luff groove, so I had Douglas make a bolt-rope luff on the mizzen.
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Yes, we had a good sail David-- actually we were just returning from
2 1/2 weeks of sailing! We started in Mystic at the Bolger roast in
June. We sailed up and down the Mystic giving rides to Bolger
admirers and slept onboard for the Wooden Boat Show. Then we
trailered over to Buzzards Bay for some cruising. We did a 3-day, 2-
night trip down the eastern shore of the Bay. The boat sailed
beautifully throughout! I will be writing this up for a piece in
Messing About in Boats over the next few months.
Reefing as you say enables her to sail to all points except to
windward in any breeze up to 25 knots. Actually in sheltered
stretches, she sails to windward perfectly well when reefed, but a
steep 3' Buzzards Bay chop puts the brakes on forward progress
quickly. The closest I've ever come to swamping her was on a beam
reach off Marion where the Bay has several miles of fetch to build
up some curling swells and the 2-knot Canal tide compresses them
tightly together. The 2-foot freeboard, wide in in just the right
places, repelled nearly all the waves. But one toppling swell just
barely overlapped the starboard gunwale and we took in a couple of
gallons and I got soaked. Of course, we had the cockpit hatch open
for legroom and it all went into the bilges.
BTW David, your craftsmanship is holding up very well! The only
water she has ever had onboard is either rainwater when I parked her
when trailered on a nose-down slope and the scuppers couldn't keep
up with the rainfall, or spray water that came in while punching
through the waves as I just described.
Finally, I want to mention how important it is to add the specified
flotation. With a lead keel, plus a motor, plus ground tackle and
other cargo, an un-flotationed Micro will sink like a stone if
swamped. Add those cubic feet of foam fore and aft, and close them
in thoroughly, unless you want to see your craft go down fast if
holed by a jet-ski, toppled by a gust, or swamped by choppy waters.
Good luck with the Birdwatcher David!
--Rob
2 1/2 weeks of sailing! We started in Mystic at the Bolger roast in
June. We sailed up and down the Mystic giving rides to Bolger
admirers and slept onboard for the Wooden Boat Show. Then we
trailered over to Buzzards Bay for some cruising. We did a 3-day, 2-
night trip down the eastern shore of the Bay. The boat sailed
beautifully throughout! I will be writing this up for a piece in
Messing About in Boats over the next few months.
Reefing as you say enables her to sail to all points except to
windward in any breeze up to 25 knots. Actually in sheltered
stretches, she sails to windward perfectly well when reefed, but a
steep 3' Buzzards Bay chop puts the brakes on forward progress
quickly. The closest I've ever come to swamping her was on a beam
reach off Marion where the Bay has several miles of fetch to build
up some curling swells and the 2-knot Canal tide compresses them
tightly together. The 2-foot freeboard, wide in in just the right
places, repelled nearly all the waves. But one toppling swell just
barely overlapped the starboard gunwale and we took in a couple of
gallons and I got soaked. Of course, we had the cockpit hatch open
for legroom and it all went into the bilges.
BTW David, your craftsmanship is holding up very well! The only
water she has ever had onboard is either rainwater when I parked her
when trailered on a nose-down slope and the scuppers couldn't keep
up with the rainfall, or spray water that came in while punching
through the waves as I just described.
Finally, I want to mention how important it is to add the specified
flotation. With a lead keel, plus a motor, plus ground tackle and
other cargo, an un-flotationed Micro will sink like a stone if
swamped. Add those cubic feet of foam fore and aft, and close them
in thoroughly, unless you want to see your craft go down fast if
holed by a jet-ski, toppled by a gust, or swamped by choppy waters.
Good luck with the Birdwatcher David!
--Rob
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dnjost" <davidjost@...> wrote:
>
> wow. good timing. I saw my old Micro travelling north on I495
while I
> was headed south yesterday. Hope it had a good sail!
>
> I found the boat to be incredibly stable. We actually used it as
a
> swim platform in our local lake. The kids loved it.
>
> In a breeze over 18 knots, take a reef. sit down and enjoy the
ride.
> Don't expect to make a lot of progress to windward in those
conditions
> (3' - 4' chop) as the shallow keel alots for a significant amount
of
> leeway. Turning on the motor helps a ton. Don't worry, you won't
roll
> it. if you are out in anything above 25 kts in a small boat I
would
> have to assume you were caught napping, or nuts. In either case,
take
> another reef and take in the mizzen.
>
> the boat comes into her own in an average 10-15 knot day and a
gentle
> ocean swell. Off Marblehead and Salem, the boat was absolutely
> terrific and outsailed some other one design boats.
>
> David Jost
> "pondering the finances for Birdwatcher"
>
wow. good timing. I saw my old Micro travelling north on I495 while I
was headed south yesterday. Hope it had a good sail!
I found the boat to be incredibly stable. We actually used it as a
swim platform in our local lake. The kids loved it.
In a breeze over 18 knots, take a reef. sit down and enjoy the ride.
Don't expect to make a lot of progress to windward in those conditions
(3' - 4' chop) as the shallow keel alots for a significant amount of
leeway. Turning on the motor helps a ton. Don't worry, you won't roll
it. if you are out in anything above 25 kts in a small boat I would
have to assume you were caught napping, or nuts. In either case, take
another reef and take in the mizzen.
the boat comes into her own in an average 10-15 knot day and a gentle
ocean swell. Off Marblehead and Salem, the boat was absolutely
terrific and outsailed some other one design boats.
David Jost
"pondering the finances for Birdwatcher"
was headed south yesterday. Hope it had a good sail!
I found the boat to be incredibly stable. We actually used it as a
swim platform in our local lake. The kids loved it.
In a breeze over 18 knots, take a reef. sit down and enjoy the ride.
Don't expect to make a lot of progress to windward in those conditions
(3' - 4' chop) as the shallow keel alots for a significant amount of
leeway. Turning on the motor helps a ton. Don't worry, you won't roll
it. if you are out in anything above 25 kts in a small boat I would
have to assume you were caught napping, or nuts. In either case, take
another reef and take in the mizzen.
the boat comes into her own in an average 10-15 knot day and a gentle
ocean swell. Off Marblehead and Salem, the boat was absolutely
terrific and outsailed some other one design boats.
David Jost
"pondering the finances for Birdwatcher"
> Bernie Wolfard told the tale about have the main sheet cleated when heWith my Navigator Micro at least, when I get overpower by a gust, the
> got hit by a gust that heeled his Micro over to about 45 degrees and
> when he freed the sheet it came back up so suddenly it just about
> three his crew off the other side.
boat begins to heel over, then quickly spills air and turns up into
the wind all on her own. Indeed, I don't think it would be possible
to get her to heel over as far as 45 degrees. She would refuse.
Overpowered, (with the mizzen sail up), she refuses to be 'knocked
down' and insists on heading up into the wind. Almost fail safe.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "michaelmickjoseph"
<michaelmickjoseph@...> wrote:
There are some interior photos over at the Bolger3 overflow group.
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/photos
The folder is entitled LESTAT and you have to wade through about 40
various photos until you get to the interior ones. Sorry I got carried
away when I posted them:-)
Micro's have been off-shore on many occasions, especially at the hands
of an Aussie named Roger Keyes. Several articles on his exploits here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/files/Paloma%20Blanca/
To my knowledge a Micro has never been knocked down. Theoretically it
should recover from about a 130 degree knock down without shipping any
water if the hatches as designed are all closed.
Bernie Wolfard told the tale about have the main sheet cleated when he
got hit by a gust that heeled his Micro over to about 45 degrees and
when he freed the sheet it came back up so suddenly it just about
three his crew off the other side.
There is a tremendous buy on a Micro over in the 4sale listing if you
are in the Texas area!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger4Sale/
In case you are not aware - there are about 11 bolger discussion groups:-)
The Micro is one great design. Have you also seen this link?
http://www.boatdesign.com/micro/index.html
Also check out the links section here - in the folder called Bolger
Boats on the Web and sub-folder "#422 Micro".
Lots of other stuff in the group files and photo sections. The Aussie
boys have a whole bunch here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/files/
Nels
<michaelmickjoseph@...> wrote:
>What'd he say! What'd he say???
> I have tried to post this before. Hope I get it right. Have been
> wanting to build the Micro for some time now. I got a nice letter from
> Mr. Bolger awhile back along with a price list for the plans. I
> understand this boat is self-righting? How does it handle in less than
> ideal conditions? What would be the limit for this boat? Does anyone
> have pictures of the insides of the Micro? The areas where I want to
> sail can kick up a bit. Gets choppy..
>
There are some interior photos over at the Bolger3 overflow group.
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/photos
The folder is entitled LESTAT and you have to wade through about 40
various photos until you get to the interior ones. Sorry I got carried
away when I posted them:-)
Micro's have been off-shore on many occasions, especially at the hands
of an Aussie named Roger Keyes. Several articles on his exploits here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/files/Paloma%20Blanca/
To my knowledge a Micro has never been knocked down. Theoretically it
should recover from about a 130 degree knock down without shipping any
water if the hatches as designed are all closed.
Bernie Wolfard told the tale about have the main sheet cleated when he
got hit by a gust that heeled his Micro over to about 45 degrees and
when he freed the sheet it came back up so suddenly it just about
three his crew off the other side.
There is a tremendous buy on a Micro over in the 4sale listing if you
are in the Texas area!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger4Sale/
In case you are not aware - there are about 11 bolger discussion groups:-)
The Micro is one great design. Have you also seen this link?
http://www.boatdesign.com/micro/index.html
Also check out the links section here - in the folder called Bolger
Boats on the Web and sub-folder "#422 Micro".
Lots of other stuff in the group files and photo sections. The Aussie
boys have a whole bunch here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/files/
Nels
http://www.sailingtexas.com/picbolger16ad.jpg
Shows a picture of the inside of the 'classic' Micro cabin. Pictures
are scare because it is a hard cabin to photograph. Bear in mind, at
15'4" this boat is small! Still, relative to other sub-16 foot boats,
the Micro cabin is huge.
I take it you are interested in building the 'classic' cuddy cabin
version. There is also a 'navigator' cabin version, which takes
nearly twice as long to build as the cuddy version.
I would argue the Micro is the most seaworthy of all, for boats
shorter than 16 feet.
The Micro is not only 'self righting', but it is powerfully so.
Shows a picture of the inside of the 'classic' Micro cabin. Pictures
are scare because it is a hard cabin to photograph. Bear in mind, at
15'4" this boat is small! Still, relative to other sub-16 foot boats,
the Micro cabin is huge.
I take it you are interested in building the 'classic' cuddy cabin
version. There is also a 'navigator' cabin version, which takes
nearly twice as long to build as the cuddy version.
I would argue the Micro is the most seaworthy of all, for boats
shorter than 16 feet.
The Micro is not only 'self righting', but it is powerfully so.
On 7/23/07, michaelmickjoseph <michaelmickjoseph@...> wrote:
>
>
> I have tried to post this before. Hope I get it right. Have been
> wanting to build the Micro for some time now. I got a nice letter from
> Mr. Bolger awhile back along with a price list for the plans. I
> understand this boat is self-righting? How does it handle in less than
> ideal conditions? What would be the limit for this boat? Does anyone
> have pictures of the insides of the Micro? The areas where I want to
> sail can kick up a bit. Gets choppy..
I have tried to post this before. Hope I get it right. Have been
wanting to build the Micro for some time now. I got a nice letter from
Mr. Bolger awhile back along with a price list for the plans. I
understand this boat is self-righting? How does it handle in less than
ideal conditions? What would be the limit for this boat? Does anyone
have pictures of the insides of the Micro? The areas where I want to
sail can kick up a bit. Gets choppy..
wanting to build the Micro for some time now. I got a nice letter from
Mr. Bolger awhile back along with a price list for the plans. I
understand this boat is self-righting? How does it handle in less than
ideal conditions? What would be the limit for this boat? Does anyone
have pictures of the insides of the Micro? The areas where I want to
sail can kick up a bit. Gets choppy..
Paul, it would all depend on what you intend to use the boat for. The Micro
and the Navigator although they share the same hull are quite different
boats with different objectives.
The junk rig has a lower center of effort and has lazy jacks. Meaning
you can drop the sail without it falling in the water. It is by far the
easier rig to reef. A very important feature in a small boat. It looks
complicated but in fact there is hard evidence it works very well. You might
look past all the lines and look closer at what is going on with those
lines.Don
and the Navigator although they share the same hull are quite different
boats with different objectives.
The junk rig has a lower center of effort and has lazy jacks. Meaning
you can drop the sail without it falling in the water. It is by far the
easier rig to reef. A very important feature in a small boat. It looks
complicated but in fact there is hard evidence it works very well. You might
look past all the lines and look closer at what is going on with those
lines.Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul A. Lefebvre, Jr." <paul@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Micro
> I've also been gearing up to build a Micro, and am likewise a 'junkie';
I've
> read and re-read the writeup on the Chinese gaff rig in Bolger's book '103
> Small Boat Rigs' as well as the MAIB article on Navigator, studied the
> sketches, etc. The thing that had escaped me at first glance, which gave
me
> pause when I finally completed the connection between the words and the
> drawing, is that among other things, the navigator rig has 3 sheets! These
> are led through pulleys on the mizzen mast, and aid in controlling the
sail
> to get the most out of it, eliminate twist of the upper part of the sail,
> among other things. This looks very complicated to set up and take down
> every time if trailering the boat, not sure yet what extra fastening the
> mizzen may need to support all this hardware and tension from the front;
the
> more I look at it, the more it does appear to be oriented more toward
> passagemaking and may not be well-suited for the kind of shorter-distance
> sailing I will mostly do, adjusting 3 sheets each time I change course
> slightly could get a bit nerve-wracking. But I can see how on a long
> passage, having total control over the shape of your sail would be worth
the
> rather infrequent tweaking of the sheets to get it right. Now I'm
> reconsidering going with the standard Micro rig, just for the simplicity
of
> it. But I hadn't realized the standard mast is 23' long! Wow. Guess I'll
> have to carry it on the roof-rack of my van!
>
> Paul L.
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>
The Junk rig is appealing,especially when viewed from the perspective
of its many advantages.However,I suspect that one would need a
slightly larger craft then the MICRO to fully appreciate them.Despite
the long list of attributes showered upon the MICRO(God knows I've
tried my best to convert the heathens out there.....:-D ),she remains
a small boat.
Passage-making certainly has a nice romantic ring to it and I have
often been carried along to far away places through some excellent
sea
adventure stories but,it would be cruel to undertake any of them in a
MICRO.
And there is the rub,our thoughts brim over with strong desires only
to be brought up hard against limits,both practical and personal.
As designed,the rig on MICRO works exceptionally well and with the
least number of moving or stationary parts.Rigging the boat is dirt
simple.Reefing,when done in a timely fashion and not after all Hell
has broken loose,is childs play.By the time you get down to the
second
reef,the chances are rather good that your entire attention will be
keenly focused on plain survival for you and your boat.
At the end of the day(or even at high noon,when you anchor for
lunch),that big beautiful mainsail tucks into either a small sail bag
or the forward footwell.The sprit-boom can then be hoisted up with
either a topping lift or lazyjacks and voila(!),what little deck
space
exists is all clear and yours.Furthermore,windage is kept down to a
minimum.I do not think such would be the case for even a minuscule
Junk sail as the one contemplated for the MICRO.
Also,just to keep things interesting,most of us are accustomed/used
to
the Western convention of the"triangle"sail.Magazines talk about
it,boats are compared by it,sailing schools teach it and most sailors
understand it.It comes down to how far along the learning curve you
are in this culture vis-à-vis another.
None of the above,however,should deter you from pursuing your
ideas.Adventure lurks in some of the strangest places and this may be
an adventure for you.Gathering as much information as possible before
the adventure begins might serve to cushion the landing in the end
whether it comes from failure or an exalted leap of joy!
In brief,me thinks the MICRO is just too small to fully benefit from
all of the Junk rig virtues.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,scheming for a 30'Junk rigged boat just so he too can
share the fun while pining away for his winterized MICRO,on the not
yet frozen banks of the St.Lawrence.........
of its many advantages.However,I suspect that one would need a
slightly larger craft then the MICRO to fully appreciate them.Despite
the long list of attributes showered upon the MICRO(God knows I've
tried my best to convert the heathens out there.....:-D ),she remains
a small boat.
Passage-making certainly has a nice romantic ring to it and I have
often been carried along to far away places through some excellent
sea
adventure stories but,it would be cruel to undertake any of them in a
MICRO.
And there is the rub,our thoughts brim over with strong desires only
to be brought up hard against limits,both practical and personal.
As designed,the rig on MICRO works exceptionally well and with the
least number of moving or stationary parts.Rigging the boat is dirt
simple.Reefing,when done in a timely fashion and not after all Hell
has broken loose,is childs play.By the time you get down to the
second
reef,the chances are rather good that your entire attention will be
keenly focused on plain survival for you and your boat.
At the end of the day(or even at high noon,when you anchor for
lunch),that big beautiful mainsail tucks into either a small sail bag
or the forward footwell.The sprit-boom can then be hoisted up with
either a topping lift or lazyjacks and voila(!),what little deck
space
exists is all clear and yours.Furthermore,windage is kept down to a
minimum.I do not think such would be the case for even a minuscule
Junk sail as the one contemplated for the MICRO.
Also,just to keep things interesting,most of us are accustomed/used
to
the Western convention of the"triangle"sail.Magazines talk about
it,boats are compared by it,sailing schools teach it and most sailors
understand it.It comes down to how far along the learning curve you
are in this culture vis-à-vis another.
None of the above,however,should deter you from pursuing your
ideas.Adventure lurks in some of the strangest places and this may be
an adventure for you.Gathering as much information as possible before
the adventure begins might serve to cushion the landing in the end
whether it comes from failure or an exalted leap of joy!
In brief,me thinks the MICRO is just too small to fully benefit from
all of the Junk rig virtues.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,scheming for a 30'Junk rigged boat just so he too can
share the fun while pining away for his winterized MICRO,on the not
yet frozen banks of the St.Lawrence.........
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Jason " <jasonxs@h...> wrote:
> I'm a junk rig 'junkie' and would like to know if this rig could be
> used on a mirco? If so would any changes need to be made on the
> masts, etc? You can post a reply here or email me at
> jasonxs@h... Thanks
I've also been gearing up to build a Micro, and am likewise a 'junkie'; I've
read and re-read the writeup on the Chinese gaff rig in Bolger's book '103
Small Boat Rigs' as well as the MAIB article on Navigator, studied the
sketches, etc. The thing that had escaped me at first glance, which gave me
pause when I finally completed the connection between the words and the
drawing, is that among other things, the navigator rig has 3 sheets! These
are led through pulleys on the mizzen mast, and aid in controlling the sail
to get the most out of it, eliminate twist of the upper part of the sail,
among other things. This looks very complicated to set up and take down
every time if trailering the boat, not sure yet what extra fastening the
mizzen may need to support all this hardware and tension from the front; the
more I look at it, the more it does appear to be oriented more toward
passagemaking and may not be well-suited for the kind of shorter-distance
sailing I will mostly do, adjusting 3 sheets each time I change course
slightly could get a bit nerve-wracking. But I can see how on a long
passage, having total control over the shape of your sail would be worth the
rather infrequent tweaking of the sheets to get it right. Now I'm
reconsidering going with the standard Micro rig, just for the simplicity of
it. But I hadn't realized the standard mast is 23' long! Wow. Guess I'll
have to carry it on the roof-rack of my van!
Paul L.
read and re-read the writeup on the Chinese gaff rig in Bolger's book '103
Small Boat Rigs' as well as the MAIB article on Navigator, studied the
sketches, etc. The thing that had escaped me at first glance, which gave me
pause when I finally completed the connection between the words and the
drawing, is that among other things, the navigator rig has 3 sheets! These
are led through pulleys on the mizzen mast, and aid in controlling the sail
to get the most out of it, eliminate twist of the upper part of the sail,
among other things. This looks very complicated to set up and take down
every time if trailering the boat, not sure yet what extra fastening the
mizzen may need to support all this hardware and tension from the front; the
more I look at it, the more it does appear to be oriented more toward
passagemaking and may not be well-suited for the kind of shorter-distance
sailing I will mostly do, adjusting 3 sheets each time I change course
slightly could get a bit nerve-wracking. But I can see how on a long
passage, having total control over the shape of your sail would be worth the
rather infrequent tweaking of the sheets to get it right. Now I'm
reconsidering going with the standard Micro rig, just for the simplicity of
it. But I hadn't realized the standard mast is 23' long! Wow. Guess I'll
have to carry it on the roof-rack of my van!
Paul L.
There is no doubt that the Bermuda sprit rig gives you the most for
the dollar spent.
a. simple construction of spar
b. sprit boom is high off the heads of passengers.
c. reefing presents easily balanced sail plan
d. a halyard and a sheet are the only lines needed
e. the sail is a simple one with a hollow leach and no battens needed
f. the boom can be rigged to provide a support for a boom tent at the
mooring. Which is very nice on a drizzly day!
The picture of the junk rig scares me. That's an awful lot of lines
and battens, spars, booms, etc . . .
I am sure that it works quite well, but it has got to be considerably
more money.
David Jost, Boston
Happy Sailing
p.s. I will stop now, as I really do not have enough expertise on
this to warrant any further opinions (opinions are like
belly-buttons, everybodys got them) not wanting to kill any horses and
hence have them flogged. :-)
the dollar spent.
a. simple construction of spar
b. sprit boom is high off the heads of passengers.
c. reefing presents easily balanced sail plan
d. a halyard and a sheet are the only lines needed
e. the sail is a simple one with a hollow leach and no battens needed
f. the boom can be rigged to provide a support for a boom tent at the
mooring. Which is very nice on a drizzly day!
The picture of the junk rig scares me. That's an awful lot of lines
and battens, spars, booms, etc . . .
I am sure that it works quite well, but it has got to be considerably
more money.
David Jost, Boston
Happy Sailing
p.s. I will stop now, as I really do not have enough expertise on
this to warrant any further opinions (opinions are like
belly-buttons, everybodys got them) not wanting to kill any horses and
hence have them flogged. :-)
> problem with the Bolger cat yawls is the position of the main mastpushed
> to the end of the boat to clear the interior. This results in an CEof the
> main sail too far forward. That's why Bolger uses a mizzen. It'sjust for
> balance.While this is all correct, there is another way of looking at it.
Bolger likes the Bermuda cat-yawl rig (the Micro rig) because it gets
the masts out of the middle of the boat AND has good balance when the
main is reefed. It is, therefore, less taxing on the sailor than just
about any other rig one might choose.
If you want just one mast, and a shorter one at that, then the likely
choice is the gaff cat rig. See the section on the Cythina J. catboat
in files for illustration. This was my boat, and it was a good
sailer. However, when reefed, the helm balance was not good. Like any
catboat, the long boom causes the sail to have a lot of steering
effect. Sailing a gaff cat takes some learning, but it's fun. I think
Bolger would agree that the change would make the boat more of a
daysailer, and less of a passagemaker.
Using the Chinese Gaffer rig with no mizzen would push the boat back
in the passagemaker direction. All that additional running rigging
would take longer in the trailer launching/rigging process, and not
matter much for short sails. But it would help with reefing while
underway - not easy in a gaff cat.
I think it could be difficult to work out a Chinese Gaffer with
mizzen. The center of effort of the main would not be for enough
forward. If you want the yawl, then the standard Chinese lug rig
might work out more easily because the sail extends slightly ahead of
the mast.
All this shows how much personal taste there is in all this. I like
the original Bermuda/sprit rig because of all rigs, it provides the
best combination of utter simplicty, few parts, good control, and
good performance.
Peter
Jason,
problem with the Bolger cat yawls is the position of the main mast pushed
to the end of the boat to clear the interior. This results in an CE of the
main sail too far forward. That's why Bolger uses a mizzen. It's just for
balance. If you'll keep the mizzen and convert just the main to Chinese
lug, go ahead (see the converted Marha jane in Files : Rigs, Rigging, and
Sails : Junk Rigs & Oriental : Kindly Light or click
http://www.egroups.com/files/bolger/Rigs%2C+Rigging%2C+and+Sails/Junk+Rigs+%
26+Oriental/Kindly+Light.JPG
If you prefer simplicity you'll opt for an very low aspect main sail.
Bolger headed this way with his Chinese Gaff, but that is simply a battened
gaff sail with some sheeting Chinese way. Far away from the real thing.
Read the last 3 issues of Practical Boat Owner on recent developments in GB
(flexible battens, cambered panels, batten hinges). There's a junkrig
discussion group too. To subscribe you can go to my website at
http://www.leow.de/chinese/chinese.html. To see my sketches from the
process of converting another cat yawl (the AS29) go to www.leow.de/twilight
If you do not have access to PBO, contact me offline.
Leo
problem with the Bolger cat yawls is the position of the main mast pushed
to the end of the boat to clear the interior. This results in an CE of the
main sail too far forward. That's why Bolger uses a mizzen. It's just for
balance. If you'll keep the mizzen and convert just the main to Chinese
lug, go ahead (see the converted Marha jane in Files : Rigs, Rigging, and
Sails : Junk Rigs & Oriental : Kindly Light or click
http://www.egroups.com/files/bolger/Rigs%2C+Rigging%2C+and+Sails/Junk+Rigs+%
26+Oriental/Kindly+Light.JPG
If you prefer simplicity you'll opt for an very low aspect main sail.
Bolger headed this way with his Chinese Gaff, but that is simply a battened
gaff sail with some sheeting Chinese way. Far away from the real thing.
Read the last 3 issues of Practical Boat Owner on recent developments in GB
(flexible battens, cambered panels, batten hinges). There's a junkrig
discussion group too. To subscribe you can go to my website at
http://www.leow.de/chinese/chinese.html. To see my sketches from the
process of converting another cat yawl (the AS29) go to www.leow.de/twilight
If you do not have access to PBO, contact me offline.
Leo
>I'm a junk rig 'junkie' and would like to know if this rig could be
>used on a mirco?
Here is a picture of the junk. I made an attempt to put on as a .jpg but no
luck, the .tif should work.http://www.elroynet.com/rite2me/Don
luck, the .tif should work.http://www.elroynet.com/rite2me/Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason " <jasonxs@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 6:10 PM
Subject: [bolger] Micro
> I'm a junk rig 'junkie' and would like to know if this rig could be
> used on a mirco? If so would any changes need to be made on the
> masts, etc? You can post a reply here or email me at
>jasonxs@.... Thanks
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>
This was a timely posting. I had future Micro builder Randy
Robar over at the house today and we pulled out all of the gear to
'Firefly" and took a good look at the rig.
The first thing we did was take the main mast, all 23' of it and
stuck it up in the bow partners and took some pictures of it. These
will be posted on the web next week when the film comes back. A 23'
mast on a 15' boat is an amazing sight! Then I laid out the sails and
placed the sprits and masts around them on the lawn, (or dead crab
grass as it should rightfully be called). The boat as rigged really
does not carry a lot of sail on that big mast, and once reefed
presents a really small sail area! Admittedly, the mast is not very
heavy up high, but I wonder if a shorter mast could add to the boat's
stability.
I think that the junk rig would definately give you the advantage
of more sail area on a lower CG (that is assuming I am using the
terminology correctly) and also a sail that is quite controllable in
the cockpit. I don't know enough about the junk rig other than what I
have read, but it does seem like a good rig for the boat.
I am thinking that a standard catboat rig with the mizzen would
accomplish much the same thing with the exception of the low boom that
is succeptable to tripping in large seas. (Why would Micro be there
in the first place? One would have to be nuts.)
Happy Building,
David Jost, Boston
www.ultranet.com/~djost/micro.htm
Robar over at the house today and we pulled out all of the gear to
'Firefly" and took a good look at the rig.
The first thing we did was take the main mast, all 23' of it and
stuck it up in the bow partners and took some pictures of it. These
will be posted on the web next week when the film comes back. A 23'
mast on a 15' boat is an amazing sight! Then I laid out the sails and
placed the sprits and masts around them on the lawn, (or dead crab
grass as it should rightfully be called). The boat as rigged really
does not carry a lot of sail on that big mast, and once reefed
presents a really small sail area! Admittedly, the mast is not very
heavy up high, but I wonder if a shorter mast could add to the boat's
stability.
I think that the junk rig would definately give you the advantage
of more sail area on a lower CG (that is assuming I am using the
terminology correctly) and also a sail that is quite controllable in
the cockpit. I don't know enough about the junk rig other than what I
have read, but it does seem like a good rig for the boat.
I am thinking that a standard catboat rig with the mizzen would
accomplish much the same thing with the exception of the low boom that
is succeptable to tripping in large seas. (Why would Micro be there
in the first place? One would have to be nuts.)
Happy Building,
David Jost, Boston
www.ultranet.com/~djost/micro.htm
Here's a scan of Navigator.
http://www.elroynet.com/rite2me/micro%20navigator.jpg, There was an
article in MAIB a while back , this is a copy of part of it. Don
http://www.elroynet.com/rite2me/micro%20navigator.jpg, There was an
article in MAIB a while back , this is a copy of part of it. Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason " <jasonxs@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 6:10 PM
Subject: [bolger] Micro
> I'm a junk rig 'junkie' and would like to know if this rig could be
> used on a mirco? If so would any changes need to be made on the
> masts, etc? You can post a reply here or email me at
>jasonxs@.... Thanks
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>
If I recall Bolger has a modified Micro called the advanced Mirco it's name
is the "Navigator". It is designed for more serious cruising. For Mirco
owners they can get a Navigator update. It has a modified junk rig which is
control from inside the boat, really kind of neat. Hope that helps. Don
is the "Navigator". It is designed for more serious cruising. For Mirco
owners they can get a Navigator update. It has a modified junk rig which is
control from inside the boat, really kind of neat. Hope that helps. Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason " <jasonxs@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 6:10 PM
Subject: [bolger] Micro
> I'm a junk rig 'junkie' and would like to know if this rig could be
> used on a mirco? If so would any changes need to be made on the
> masts, etc? You can post a reply here or email me at
>jasonxs@.... Thanks
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>
I'm a junk rig 'junkie' and would like to know if this rig could be
used on a mirco? If so would any changes need to be made on the
masts, etc? You can post a reply here or email me at
jasonxs@.... Thanks
used on a mirco? If so would any changes need to be made on the
masts, etc? You can post a reply here or email me at
jasonxs@.... Thanks
Well done, Phill, congratulations! Let us know how your Micro
behaves, and if you can post some pictures in the files directory.
I'm still wacking mine together...
Best, Pippo
behaves, and if you can post some pictures in the files directory.
I'm still wacking mine together...
Best, Pippo
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, isabella@g... wrote:
> Hi, to all who are interested in such things I launched my micro on
> the Brisbane river (Australia) Sunday last and she even floats to
her
> marks. I'm still getting the sailing bit worked out, but
everything
> behaves as promised!! I can get her to tack sometimes but I think
> this is a timing thing (and not knowing quite what to do with the
> mizzen).
> Phill
Congradulations Phill!
Glad to hear that you are pleased with your MICRO.Regarding the
tacking,keep the mizzen sheeted in tight(it's usual positon anyway)
and if the wind is light you should try letting the main out a second
before you tack,just like with a normal catboat.When the wind is
stronger,the MICRO has enough momentum to easily take you through
the"eye of the wind" without having to touch anything.
HAPPY SAILING
Peter Lenihan
Montréal,Québec
Canada
Glad to hear that you are pleased with your MICRO.Regarding the
tacking,keep the mizzen sheeted in tight(it's usual positon anyway)
and if the wind is light you should try letting the main out a second
before you tack,just like with a normal catboat.When the wind is
stronger,the MICRO has enough momentum to easily take you through
the"eye of the wind" without having to touch anything.
HAPPY SAILING
Peter Lenihan
Montréal,Québec
Canada
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, isabella@g... wrote:
> Hi, to all who are interested in such things I launched my micro on
> the Brisbane river (Australia) Sunday last and she even floats to
her
> marks. I'm still getting the sailing bit worked out, but
everything
> behaves as promised!! I can get her to tack sometimes but I think
> this is a timing thing (and not knowing quite what to do with the
> mizzen).
> Phill
Hi, to all who are interested in such things I launched my micro on
the Brisbane river (Australia) Sunday last and she even floats to her
marks. I'm still getting the sailing bit worked out, but everything
behaves as promised!! I can get her to tack sometimes but I think
this is a timing thing (and not knowing quite what to do with the
mizzen).
Phill
the Brisbane river (Australia) Sunday last and she even floats to her
marks. I'm still getting the sailing bit worked out, but everything
behaves as promised!! I can get her to tack sometimes but I think
this is a timing thing (and not knowing quite what to do with the
mizzen).
Phill
Terrific article and pics. Thanks so much for posting them.
Rennie
Rennie
>From: "Chuck Leinweber" <duckworks@...>______________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>Subject: [bolger] Micro
>Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:30:43 -0800
>
>Peter Lenihan of this group has sent me a wonderful article about his Micro
>and specifically about pouring the keel. This is a great resource for
>anyone with "keel anxiety". Super pictures too. Don't miss this one:
>http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/articles/micro/
>
>Chuck Leinweber
>Duckworks Magazine
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
>
>
>
>
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Chuck,
Great write up. Thanks Peter (and Chuck) for this clear
de-mystifying documentation. Great work!
David
Chuck Leinweber wrote:
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Save a little rainforest.
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Great write up. Thanks Peter (and Chuck) for this clear
de-mystifying documentation. Great work!
David
Chuck Leinweber wrote:
> Peter Lenihan of this group has sent me a wonderful article about--
> his Micro and specifically about pouring the keel. This is a great
> resource for anyone with "keel anxiety". Super pictures too. Don't
> miss this one:http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/articles/micro/
>
> Chuck Leinweber
> Duckworks Magazine
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
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>
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SOME CLICKS THAT COUNT!!
Feed someone.
http://www.thehungersite.com/
Save a little rainforest.
http://rainforest.care2.com/
Simplicity Boats
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/
Here's my latest boat:
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/featherwind.html
Quasi esoteric musical instruments
http://unicornstrings.com
Peter - great job, great boat! Hope to do half as nice a job on my
Micro! And thanks Chuck! I'll link to that page from my site...
Best, Pippo
"chuck leinweber" <duckwork-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2327
resource for anyone with "keel anxiety". Super pictures too. Don't
miss this one:
Micro! And thanks Chuck! I'll link to that page from my site...
Best, Pippo
"chuck leinweber" <duckwork-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2327
> Peter Lenihan of this group has sent me a wonderful article about hisMicro and specifically about pouring the keel. This is a great
resource for anyone with "keel anxiety". Super pictures too. Don't
miss this one:
>http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/articles/micro/
>
> Chuck Leinweber
> Duckworks Magazine
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
>
>
>
Peter Lenihan,
Well Done!!! Super job, beautiful boat! It just don't get any better
than that. You do nice work. (understatement of the year) Thanks for the
pictures, and thanks, Chuck, for making them available to all. Stan,
Snow Goose
Well Done!!! Super job, beautiful boat! It just don't get any better
than that. You do nice work. (understatement of the year) Thanks for the
pictures, and thanks, Chuck, for making them available to all. Stan,
Snow Goose
Peter Lenihan of this group has sent me a wonderful article about his Micro
and specifically about pouring the keel. This is a great resource for
anyone with "keel anxiety". Super pictures too. Don't miss this
one: