Re: [bolger] Re: Rowing
Check out Fritz Funk's Boats with wheels on his web site.
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Amphib/Amphib_boats.htm
HJ
Lincoln Ross wrote:
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Amphib/Amphib_boats.htm
HJ
Lincoln Ross wrote:
>
> We have some wheels that we use that would do it. Bought from West
> Marine, and expensive, and I can't find on their web site right now.
> Fairly large (16"? dia???, maybe 5" wide?) pneumatic (i.e. like car
> tire), soft wheels which roll over pretty good obstacles. Plastic
> frame only goes to 150 lbs and can get temporarily bent out of shape.
> Overall, pretty practical and would probably work for you if used
> with care.
> I think this is it:
>http://www.castlecraft.com/canoe_dolly.htm
>
>
Your in Can, right?
There is a plastics supermarket place around kenedy road and 401,
should you ever come into the big smoke. I also found the metal
supermarket of which there are several in Ontario (mine is in Oshawa)
has some UHMW plastic, and nylon, and delrin. Not much supply, but
if there is one near you it might be better. I know a number of
boats like the CC tris, the searunners and so forth that use
stainless steel strips on the bottom. You can hardware bond them so
there isn't any water migration issue. Or you could get a cast metal
keel and call it a day (micro right?)
Here is a picture of the 32' Sibling, on launch day. You may notice
she is resting on her keel, and these boats are designed to be
beachable in tropical locations that don't have docks. So they would
beach several times a day.
http://www.seaislandboatworks.com/
There is a plastics supermarket place around kenedy road and 401,
should you ever come into the big smoke. I also found the metal
supermarket of which there are several in Ontario (mine is in Oshawa)
has some UHMW plastic, and nylon, and delrin. Not much supply, but
if there is one near you it might be better. I know a number of
boats like the CC tris, the searunners and so forth that use
stainless steel strips on the bottom. You can hardware bond them so
there isn't any water migration issue. Or you could get a cast metal
keel and call it a day (micro right?)
Here is a picture of the 32' Sibling, on launch day. You may notice
she is resting on her keel, and these boats are designed to be
beachable in tropical locations that don't have docks. So they would
beach several times a day.
http://www.seaislandboatworks.com/
I think you may find this pretty difficult if you have to go far. If
budget is a problem, I'll bet you could make a great little cart with
a pair of wheelbarrow wheels from the hardware store. Keep the
pressure low, maybe 12 or 15 lbs.
budget is a problem, I'll bet you could make a great little cart with
a pair of wheelbarrow wheels from the hardware store. Keep the
pressure low, maybe 12 or 15 lbs.
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> > UHMW skids.
>
> UHMW is hard to buy, it seems.
>
> I think I will try that MAIB
> suggestion to use one of
> those el-cheapo thin plastic
> cutting boards.
>
> Reinforce one of the edges
> with a strip of wood, connect
> bungee cords to the corners
> and drape the thing under the
> boat at the point of contact
> with the ground. Functions
> as a sort of low friction
> semi-flexible skid plate.
>
> Lift the bow, and drag the
> stern on the skid plate.
Sweetpea was designed with a removable keel that slips into two small
slots (sort of like daggerboard trunks), one at either end of the
boat. You might consider a set of removable wheels that slip into
the same slots.
slots (sort of like daggerboard trunks), one at either end of the
boat. You might consider a set of removable wheels that slip into
the same slots.
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>
>
> I now need a way to manhandle/
> drag 120 lbs of boat across
> 200 yards of rock/sand beach to
> launch in the surf. Wheels?
www.mcmaster.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "brucehallman" <brucehallman@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:43 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Rowing
> --- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> > UHMW skids.
>
> UHMW is hard to buy, it seems.
>
> I think I will try that MAIB
> suggestion to use one of
> those el-cheapo thin plastic
> cutting boards.
>
> Reinforce one of the edges
> with a strip of wood, connect
> bungee cords to the corners
> and drape the thing under the
> boat at the point of contact
> with the ground. Functions
> as a sort of low friction
> semi-flexible skid plate.
>
> Lift the bow, and drag the
> stern on the skid plate.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
I think I will try that MAIB
suggestion to use one of
those el-cheapo thin plastic
cutting boards.
Reinforce one of the edges
with a strip of wood, connect
bungee cords to the corners
and drape the thing under the
boat at the point of contact
with the ground. Functions
as a sort of low friction
semi-flexible skid plate.
Lift the bow, and drag the
stern on the skid plate.
> UHMW skids.UHMW is hard to buy, it seems.
I think I will try that MAIB
suggestion to use one of
those el-cheapo thin plastic
cutting boards.
Reinforce one of the edges
with a strip of wood, connect
bungee cords to the corners
and drape the thing under the
boat at the point of contact
with the ground. Functions
as a sort of low friction
semi-flexible skid plate.
Lift the bow, and drag the
stern on the skid plate.
UHMW skids.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 1:01 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Rowing
> Build it light and you can't carry it with one hand from the car top
> to the water ;-)
>
> Or put an nice oak skeg on it and you can drag it (as long as you
> don't care about hurting the rocks)
>
> -D
>
> >> I now need a way to manhandle/
> >> drag 120 lbs of boat across
> >> 200 yards of rock/sand beach to
> >> launch in the surf. Wheels?
> >
> >
> >
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Build it light and you can't carry it with one hand from the car top
to the water ;-)
Or put an nice oak skeg on it and you can drag it (as long as you
don't care about hurting the rocks)
-D
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to the water ;-)
Or put an nice oak skeg on it and you can drag it (as long as you
don't care about hurting the rocks)
-D
>> I now need a way to manhandle/--
>> drag 120 lbs of boat across
>> 200 yards of rock/sand beach to
>> launch in the surf. Wheels?
>
>
>
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We have some wheels that we use that would do it. Bought from West
Marine, and expensive, and I can't find on their web site right now.
Fairly large (16"? dia???, maybe 5" wide?) pneumatic (i.e. like car
tire), soft wheels which roll over pretty good obstacles. Plastic
frame only goes to 150 lbs and can get temporarily bent out of shape.
Overall, pretty practical and would probably work for you if used
with care.
I think this is it:
http://www.castlecraft.com/canoe_dolly.htm
You may be able to find something cheaper +/or better.
Marine, and expensive, and I can't find on their web site right now.
Fairly large (16"? dia???, maybe 5" wide?) pneumatic (i.e. like car
tire), soft wheels which roll over pretty good obstacles. Plastic
frame only goes to 150 lbs and can get temporarily bent out of shape.
Overall, pretty practical and would probably work for you if used
with care.
I think this is it:
http://www.castlecraft.com/canoe_dolly.htm
You may be able to find something cheaper +/or better.
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
snip
>
> I now need a way to manhandle/
> drag 120 lbs of boat across
> 200 yards of rock/sand beach to
> launch in the surf. Wheels?
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
I need to build a 'Sweet Pea'.
BWAOM Ch. 10, [Spur II is Ch. 11]
PCB writes of 'Sweet Pea':
"Dynamite Payson wanted...
a light, fast-to-build peapod,
... He settled for what I
would call a surf dory."
I now need a way to manhandle/
drag 120 lbs of boat across
200 yards of rock/sand beach to
launch in the surf. Wheels?
> I don't think I'd like to take theMe neither, now that I think about it.
> Spur II out through surf.
I need to build a 'Sweet Pea'.
BWAOM Ch. 10, [Spur II is Ch. 11]
PCB writes of 'Sweet Pea':
"Dynamite Payson wanted...
a light, fast-to-build peapod,
... He settled for what I
would call a surf dory."
I now need a way to manhandle/
drag 120 lbs of boat across
200 yards of rock/sand beach to
launch in the surf. Wheels?
--- In bolger@y..., "Harry W. James" <welshman@p...> wrote:
as Spur II. Judging from the photos, Victoria has 6" more freeboard
than Spur II. Victoria is probably 120 pounds vs. Spur II 100 lbs.
Excellence you would expect
with a rowing boat designed by a
genius who loves to row!
The most amazing thing is that at
half power, you glide along quickly
and effortlessly, and could keep
that pace up all day long.
> Victoria was a rowing boat, I think it is in Small Boats. This fromVictoria is 15'6" x 4'2" a little narrower on the same length
> memory as my copy is loaned out, another 15 footer, lapstrake and
> similar in concept to Spur2.
as Spur II. Judging from the photos, Victoria has 6" more freeboard
than Spur II. Victoria is probably 120 pounds vs. Spur II 100 lbs.
> I suspect that these boatsYes, very much so.
> really stand out is in comparison
> to a boat that is not designed to
> any body who rows one for the first time is
> totally amazed, isn't that right Bruce.
Excellence you would expect
with a rowing boat designed by a
genius who loves to row!
The most amazing thing is that at
half power, you glide along quickly
and effortlessly, and could keep
that pace up all day long.
Crystal was Bolger's Tender/lifeboat on the Resolution. As Bolger had
her built, basically the central slot was open and the rest floatation
and she could be rowed swamped. He was very satisfied with how she
handled, but was sorry for the weight penalty imposed by making her
swamp proof. He said he could do 7 miles in 2 hours with out working up
a sweat. He had a variation with out the internal structure, and I have
seen a picture of some Australians taking this variant out through some
large surf. Bolger describes Crystal herself coming out through some
surf with 4 Adults on board and a child, 40 % airborne off the wave tops
and only taking a little spray. She is multi chined out of plywood. She
is in Different Boats and Vol 2 #1 Nov 1980 SBJ.
Victoria was a rowing boat, I think it is in Small Boats. This from
memory as my copy is loaned out, another 15 footer, lapstrake and
similar in concept to Spur2.
I suspect that these boats are not very far apart in performance, where
they really stand out is in comparison to a boat that is not designed to
row. This is such a gap that any body who rows one for the first time is
totally amazed, isn't that right Bruce.
HJ
David Ryan wrote:
her built, basically the central slot was open and the rest floatation
and she could be rowed swamped. He was very satisfied with how she
handled, but was sorry for the weight penalty imposed by making her
swamp proof. He said he could do 7 miles in 2 hours with out working up
a sweat. He had a variation with out the internal structure, and I have
seen a picture of some Australians taking this variant out through some
large surf. Bolger describes Crystal herself coming out through some
surf with 4 Adults on board and a child, 40 % airborne off the wave tops
and only taking a little spray. She is multi chined out of plywood. She
is in Different Boats and Vol 2 #1 Nov 1980 SBJ.
Victoria was a rowing boat, I think it is in Small Boats. This from
memory as my copy is loaned out, another 15 footer, lapstrake and
similar in concept to Spur2.
I suspect that these boats are not very far apart in performance, where
they really stand out is in comparison to a boat that is not designed to
row. This is such a gap that any body who rows one for the first time is
totally amazed, isn't that right Bruce.
HJ
David Ryan wrote:
>
> I'm guessing Spur II would out pace a Gull in flat water. The Spur's
> waterline is nearly the same as her length overall (15 1/2'), while
> the Gull waterline is about 12'. I don't think I'd like to take the
> Spur out through surf.
>
> Tell me more about Crystal and Victoria.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> >Mr. Bolger has a definite interest in pure rowing boats and has written
> >often on the subject. I wonder how to get a comparison of Spur2,
> >Crystal, Victoria and the various versions of the lite dories. I guess a
> >set of criteria and a row off would be in order at one of the
> >messabouts, If one of each could be found to participate.
> >
> >HJ
> >
>Regarding Spur II in the surf, I haven'tIt ain't the bow shape that worries me, it the flat run. The bow need
>tried it, but I think that with the
>refined sharp shape of the bow, it
>could handle surf just fine. I bet
>it would cut and rise into an oncoming
>wave nicely. I think the foward part
>of Spur II is sharper than the forward
>part of a Gloucester Gull.
only be fine enough that the boat doesn't get pushed around as it hit
the wave. After that you don't want to cut, you want to lift.
That's the misconception about taking a boat through waves. It the
waves are higher than the your freeboard, when you cut through you
swamp. You don't want a boat that cuts, you want a boat that lifts.
Even if the bow lifts, if you don't have enough rocker the lifting
bow with drive the stern down and then you down a nasty "reverse
broach" thing. It's easier for a boat with some rocker to lift over
waves cleanly and in control. I'm not saying you won't get your Spur
out through the surf to the fishing grounds, after all I did it in my
Teal for three Summers and never quite paid the price. But the Gull
is much better on days I wouldn't mind being in the Teal, and good
enough on days the Teal would stay on the beach.
Of course with enough speed you can get yourself out between sets,
and then how well the boat goes over a wave matters less. I think the
Spur might have the edge there.
YIBB,
David
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--- In bolger@y..., "John Bell" <jmbell@m...> wrote:
competetive, gave me a run for the
money in a race with me in my Spur II.
He was rowing a monstrous fiberglass
hulk, [and sweating beads of blood].
I am opposed to hard work, [and
was not pulling that hard], though I
did beat him after ten minutes when
he got tired. Like the tortoise and
the hare. [I was carrying three kids
along too].
Where Spur II excels, is in
easy-going leisure. How to
put it?
'...there is nothing,
absolutely nothing, half so
much worth doing as simply
messing about in boats.'
That quote epitomizes rowing a Spur II.
Regarding Spur II in the surf, I haven't
tried it, but I think that with the
refined sharp shape of the bow, it
could handle surf just fine. I bet
it would cut and rise into an oncoming
wave nicely. I think the foward part
of Spur II is sharper than the forward
part of a Gloucester Gull.
> borrowed PCB's Spur II for the race.My kid brother, who is intensly
> As the story goes, he spent the entire
> race trying catch up to and pass a kid
> in a Gull. He never did.
competetive, gave me a run for the
money in a race with me in my Spur II.
He was rowing a monstrous fiberglass
hulk, [and sweating beads of blood].
I am opposed to hard work, [and
was not pulling that hard], though I
did beat him after ten minutes when
he got tired. Like the tortoise and
the hare. [I was carrying three kids
along too].
Where Spur II excels, is in
easy-going leisure. How to
put it?
'...there is nothing,
absolutely nothing, half so
much worth doing as simply
messing about in boats.'
That quote epitomizes rowing a Spur II.
Regarding Spur II in the surf, I haven't
tried it, but I think that with the
refined sharp shape of the bow, it
could handle surf just fine. I bet
it would cut and rise into an oncoming
wave nicely. I think the foward part
of Spur II is sharper than the forward
part of a Gloucester Gull.
Who was it, Gary Blankenship perhaps, who wrote about this on this or the
old Chris Noto Bolger forum?
Anyway, the author was in Gloucester for the Blackburn Challenge, and he
borrowed PCB's Spur II for the race. As the story goes, he spent the entire
race trying catch up to and pass a kid in a Gull. He never did.
JB
old Chris Noto Bolger forum?
Anyway, the author was in Gloucester for the Blackburn Challenge, and he
borrowed PCB's Spur II for the race. As the story goes, he spent the entire
race trying catch up to and pass a kid in a Gull. He never did.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Rowing
| I'm guessing Spur II would out pace a Gull in flat water. The Spur's
| waterline is nearly the same as her length overall (15 1/2'), while
| the Gull waterline is about 12'. I don't think I'd like to take the
| Spur out through surf.
|
| Tell me more about Crystal and Victoria.
|
| YIBB,
|
| David
|
| >Mr. Bolger has a definite interest in pure rowing boats and has written
| >often on the subject. I wonder how to get a comparison of Spur2,
| >Crystal, Victoria and the various versions of the lite dories. I guess a
| >set of criteria and a row off would be in order at one of the
| >messabouts, If one of each could be found to participate.
| >
| >HJ
| >
| >
| >Bolger rules!!!
| >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
| >- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
| >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
| >- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
| >MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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| Office (212) 247-0296
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| - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
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I'm guessing Spur II would out pace a Gull in flat water. The Spur's
waterline is nearly the same as her length overall (15 1/2'), while
the Gull waterline is about 12'. I don't think I'd like to take the
Spur out through surf.
Tell me more about Crystal and Victoria.
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
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New York, New York 10036
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Office (212) 247-0296
waterline is nearly the same as her length overall (15 1/2'), while
the Gull waterline is about 12'. I don't think I'd like to take the
Spur out through surf.
Tell me more about Crystal and Victoria.
YIBB,
David
>Mr. Bolger has a definite interest in pure rowing boats and has written--
>often on the subject. I wonder how to get a comparison of Spur2,
>Crystal, Victoria and the various versions of the lite dories. I guess a
>set of criteria and a row off would be in order at one of the
>messabouts, If one of each could be found to participate.
>
>HJ
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
>MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
Mr. Bolger has a definite interest in pure rowing boats and has written
often on the subject. I wonder how to get a comparison of Spur2,
Crystal, Victoria and the various versions of the lite dories. I guess a
set of criteria and a row off would be in order at one of the
messabouts, If one of each could be found to participate.
HJ
often on the subject. I wonder how to get a comparison of Spur2,
Crystal, Victoria and the various versions of the lite dories. I guess a
set of criteria and a row off would be in order at one of the
messabouts, If one of each could be found to participate.
HJ