Re: RE: [bolger] Re: Wyo & another question
I'd thought that possibly the slipper stern would reduce some of the "push"
following waves can have on a boat. Possibly by digging in somewhat and
working like a skeg. As long as the slop well was big enough and the
cockpit high enough. The cockpit in the wyo actually drains out the slop
well. It's at the same level as the bottom of the slop well with a scupper
to stop back washing. In a way the entire cockpit floor is the slop well.
With the wrap around seating the floor is reduced by 50% which is a big
advantage.
Jeff
following waves can have on a boat. Possibly by digging in somewhat and
working like a skeg. As long as the slop well was big enough and the
cockpit high enough. The cockpit in the wyo actually drains out the slop
well. It's at the same level as the bottom of the slop well with a scupper
to stop back washing. In a way the entire cockpit floor is the slop well.
With the wrap around seating the floor is reduced by 50% which is a big
advantage.
Jeff
My Sneakeasy stern lifts just fine with a following sea. With my
beaching operations I've spent some time hanging out in modest breaking
waves at the shore, stern out - no tendency to come aboard. I suppose
if you were backing down real hard in a big sea you might be able to get
a little water in (the stern does bite in a little in reverse), but then
Bolger put a big slop well back there. Its not a problem.
--Fritz
beaching operations I've spent some time hanging out in modest breaking
waves at the shore, stern out - no tendency to come aboard. I suppose
if you were backing down real hard in a big sea you might be able to get
a little water in (the stern does bite in a little in reverse), but then
Bolger put a big slop well back there. Its not a problem.
--Fritz
----- Original Message -----
From: David Ryan <david@...>
Date: Monday, September 16, 2002 1:07 pm
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Wyo & another question
> My impresssion is the "slipper" stern serves two functions:
>
> 1) It's a very stylist looking affectation
>
> 2) The original shows a Gypsy hauled over the stern into the
> cockpit.
> I'd guess the angled stern would make hauling the boat aboard
> easier,
> thus justifying the affectation.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
>
> >Yep. I remember reading a vivid description of the sea trials of
> one of
> >Nat Herreshoff's big steam yachts that happened to have a reverse-
> angle>stern. When they backed down hard, it scooped a wave
> several feet high
> >of VERY cold seawater over the ladies and gentlemen seated in those
> >wicker chars on the aft deck. As far as I know, Captain Nat never
> >included this type of stern on a design again.
> >
> >David Romasco
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: jeff [mailto:boatbuilding@...]
> >Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:25 AM
> >To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Wyo & another question
> >
> >
> >I hadn't thought of the backing up issue. Hmmmm.....
> >
> >I wonder what a following wave would do, crawl up the slipper
> stern and
> >dump
> >in the cockpit?
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
> >To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:00 AM
> >Subject: [bolger] Re: Wyo & another question
> >
> >
> >> Jeff,
> >> If you were to try out Bruce's recipe posted earlier,I suspect
> >> that the slipper stern will quickly become a fun concern as your
> >> passengers begin to explore the different means of gaining
> access to
> >> the water for a wee-wee......
> >> Seriously though,you give up some enclosed volume which
> may be
> >> useful to you.I like the idea of being able to hide the power
> plant>> somewhat.Then again,backing into a dock space with the
> slipper stern
> >> could be interesting,especially if you miscalulate your sternway
> >> resulting in driving those "wedges" under the dock......at which
> >> point you will surely need a big helping of Bruce's High
> Octane Yet
> >> to Be Famous Blow Your Socks Off Julep recipe.
> >> I'd go for the enclosed volume even though my heart likes the
> >> styling of the slipper stern........
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Peter Lenihan,wishing it were hot enough to feel a good thirst
> >> coming on for julep...Bruce's Julep.......
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In bolger@y..., "jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Question: Bolger shows a slipper stern on the orginal and a
> >> squared off stern on the aft cabin model. Is there a safety
> >> advantage to a slipper stern?
> >> >
> >> > Jeff
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
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My impresssion is the "slipper" stern serves two functions:
1) It's a very stylist looking affectation
2) The original shows a Gypsy hauled over the stern into the cockpit.
I'd guess the angled stern would make hauling the boat aboard easier,
thus justifying the affectation.
YIBB,
David
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1) It's a very stylist looking affectation
2) The original shows a Gypsy hauled over the stern into the cockpit.
I'd guess the angled stern would make hauling the boat aboard easier,
thus justifying the affectation.
YIBB,
David
>Yep. I remember reading a vivid description of the sea trials of one of--
>Nat Herreshoff's big steam yachts that happened to have a reverse-angle
>stern. When they backed down hard, it scooped a wave several feet high
>of VERY cold seawater over the ladies and gentlemen seated in those
>wicker chars on the aft deck. As far as I know, Captain Nat never
>included this type of stern on a design again.
>
>David Romasco
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jeff [mailto:boatbuilding@...]
>Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:25 AM
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Wyo & another question
>
>
>I hadn't thought of the backing up issue. Hmmmm.....
>
>I wonder what a following wave would do, crawl up the slipper stern and
>dump
>in the cockpit?
>
>Jeff
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:00 AM
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Wyo & another question
>
>
>> Jeff,
>> If you were to try out Bruce's recipe posted earlier,I suspect
>> that the slipper stern will quickly become a fun concern as your
>> passengers begin to explore the different means of gaining access to
>> the water for a wee-wee......
>> Seriously though,you give up some enclosed volume which may be
>> useful to you.I like the idea of being able to hide the power plant
>> somewhat.Then again,backing into a dock space with the slipper stern
>> could be interesting,especially if you miscalulate your sternway
>> resulting in driving those "wedges" under the dock......at which
>> point you will surely need a big helping of Bruce's High Octane Yet
>> to Be Famous Blow Your Socks Off Julep recipe.
>> I'd go for the enclosed volume even though my heart likes the
>> styling of the slipper stern........
>> Sincerely,
>> Peter Lenihan,wishing it were hot enough to feel a good thirst
>> coming on for julep...Bruce's Julep.......
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In bolger@y..., "jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Question: Bolger shows a slipper stern on the orginal and a
>> squared off stern on the aft cabin model. Is there a safety
>> advantage to a slipper stern?
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
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Yep. I remember reading a vivid description of the sea trials of one of
Nat Herreshoff's big steam yachts that happened to have a reverse-angle
stern. When they backed down hard, it scooped a wave several feet high
of VERY cold seawater over the ladies and gentlemen seated in those
wicker chars on the aft deck. As far as I know, Captain Nat never
included this type of stern on a design again.
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: jeff [mailto:boatbuilding@...]
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:25 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Wyo & another question
I hadn't thought of the backing up issue. Hmmmm.....
I wonder what a following wave would do, crawl up the slipper stern and
dump
in the cockpit?
Jeff
Nat Herreshoff's big steam yachts that happened to have a reverse-angle
stern. When they backed down hard, it scooped a wave several feet high
of VERY cold seawater over the ladies and gentlemen seated in those
wicker chars on the aft deck. As far as I know, Captain Nat never
included this type of stern on a design again.
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: jeff [mailto:boatbuilding@...]
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:25 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Wyo & another question
I hadn't thought of the backing up issue. Hmmmm.....
I wonder what a following wave would do, crawl up the slipper stern and
dump
in the cockpit?
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:00 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Wyo & another question
> Jeff,
> If you were to try out Bruce's recipe posted earlier,I suspect
> that the slipper stern will quickly become a fun concern as your
> passengers begin to explore the different means of gaining access to
> the water for a wee-wee......
> Seriously though,you give up some enclosed volume which may be
> useful to you.I like the idea of being able to hide the power plant
> somewhat.Then again,backing into a dock space with the slipper stern
> could be interesting,especially if you miscalulate your sternway
> resulting in driving those "wedges" under the dock......at which
> point you will surely need a big helping of Bruce's High Octane Yet
> to Be Famous Blow Your Socks Off Julep recipe.
> I'd go for the enclosed volume even though my heart likes the
> styling of the slipper stern........
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,wishing it were hot enough to feel a good thirst
> coming on for julep...Bruce's Julep.......
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> >
> > Question: Bolger shows a slipper stern on the orginal and a
> squared off stern on the aft cabin model. Is there a safety
> advantage to a slipper stern?
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip>
away
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01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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I hadn't thought of the backing up issue. Hmmmm.....
I wonder what a following wave would do, crawl up the slipper stern and dump
in the cockpit?
Jeff
I wonder what a following wave would do, crawl up the slipper stern and dump
in the cockpit?
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:00 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Wyo & another question
> Jeff,
> If you were to try out Bruce's recipe posted earlier,I suspect
> that the slipper stern will quickly become a fun concern as your
> passengers begin to explore the different means of gaining access to
> the water for a wee-wee......
> Seriously though,you give up some enclosed volume which may be
> useful to you.I like the idea of being able to hide the power plant
> somewhat.Then again,backing into a dock space with the slipper stern
> could be interesting,especially if you miscalulate your sternway
> resulting in driving those "wedges" under the dock......at which
> point you will surely need a big helping of Bruce's High Octane Yet
> to Be Famous Blow Your Socks Off Julep recipe.
> I'd go for the enclosed volume even though my heart likes the
> styling of the slipper stern........
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,wishing it were hot enough to feel a good thirst
> coming on for julep...Bruce's Julep.......
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> >
> > Question: Bolger shows a slipper stern on the orginal and a
> squared off stern on the aft cabin model. Is there a safety
> advantage to a slipper stern?
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
Jeff,
If you were to try out Bruce's recipe posted earlier,I suspect
that the slipper stern will quickly become a fun concern as your
passengers begin to explore the different means of gaining access to
the water for a wee-wee......
Seriously though,you give up some enclosed volume which may be
useful to you.I like the idea of being able to hide the power plant
somewhat.Then again,backing into a dock space with the slipper stern
could be interesting,especially if you miscalulate your sternway
resulting in driving those "wedges" under the dock......at which
point you will surely need a big helping of Bruce's High Octane Yet
to Be Famous Blow Your Socks Off Julep recipe.
I'd go for the enclosed volume even though my heart likes the
styling of the slipper stern........
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,wishing it were hot enough to feel a good thirst
coming on for julep...Bruce's Julep.......
If you were to try out Bruce's recipe posted earlier,I suspect
that the slipper stern will quickly become a fun concern as your
passengers begin to explore the different means of gaining access to
the water for a wee-wee......
Seriously though,you give up some enclosed volume which may be
useful to you.I like the idea of being able to hide the power plant
somewhat.Then again,backing into a dock space with the slipper stern
could be interesting,especially if you miscalulate your sternway
resulting in driving those "wedges" under the dock......at which
point you will surely need a big helping of Bruce's High Octane Yet
to Be Famous Blow Your Socks Off Julep recipe.
I'd go for the enclosed volume even though my heart likes the
styling of the slipper stern........
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,wishing it were hot enough to feel a good thirst
coming on for julep...Bruce's Julep.......
--- In bolger@y..., "jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
>
> Question: Bolger shows a slipper stern on the orginal and a
squared off stern on the aft cabin model. Is there a safety
advantage to a slipper stern?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
After a week of vacation I got a lot done. I switched gears and went with a Dock & Post perservative on the hull bottom with a Behr water proof coating. We've decided finally to build in a complete wrap around seating area to create lot's of storage, to allow air circulation, and a nice entertainment area.
Question: Bolger shows a slipper stern on the orginal and a squared off stern on the aft cabin model. Is there a safety advantage to a slipper stern?
I haven't decide just yet and with the wrap around seating, the slipper stern might make things very classy but then the motors are in full view, not that hurts much. I'd lose the storage area I had planned for propane tanks but I can adjust that easy enough.
Jeff
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Question: Bolger shows a slipper stern on the orginal and a squared off stern on the aft cabin model. Is there a safety advantage to a slipper stern?
I haven't decide just yet and with the wrap around seating, the slipper stern might make things very classy but then the motors are in full view, not that hurts much. I'd lose the storage area I had planned for propane tanks but I can adjust that easy enough.
Jeff
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