Re: Looking for website with Scooter Iceyachts
> Here I was supposed to write, "...sorta like the difference betweenI would have said "between Gloucester and Marblehead."
> Glouchester and Cape Cod," but I forgot, and now it's too late...
The Woodenboat article (if that's where it was) contained references
to a design in the public domain. I think it's a traditional plan
being conserved by a marine museum or the like. As shown, it's a
pretty complicated spot of boatbuilding.
I remember thinking at the time that it would be pretty easy to do a
more or less Bolgerized version using a very sturdy,shallow punt hull
(think of a Brick made of 3/4" ply) and adopting the same rig and
runner geometry. It would be easier and cheaper to build, should sail
the same, and would probably have better hydrodynamics when the time
came for skidding across an open (i.e. unfrozen) part of the pond.
I should also say that winters have been much milder here in the
Northeast in the last 25 years than they were in the heyday of the
scooters. It's well documented that the number of below-freezing
days in the 1880's was about twice what we have now. The Hudson
regularly froze from shore to shore.
I think that once in the 20th century Long Island Sound froze from
shore to shore, while in the 25 years I've lived in Stamford, we have
had ice out for maybe 1/2 mile once or twice. (Lots of docks were
damaged those winters.) For several recent winters, my yacht club
never had to turn on the de-icers.)
In the days of my youth, iceboating was pretty big on the lakes of
New Jersey, but I'm not sure it is now.
Peter
>an
> What any of this has to do with Phil Bolger, who has never designed
> ice boat (though he did draw a cartoon or two) is beyond me,The design caught me because of the steering /balance system. Abloke
>
> porky (who grew up in Massapequa, NY, not far from the bay)
>
would really have to LEARN to sail one of these. I hate to sound
blaise about these things but i have been jumping in landyachts for
25 years now and the speed doesnt do anything for me. Ive jumped in
coffin like beasts and wound the solid wings up to world record
speeds at a first go( well , till the embarrassed owner then whent
and showed me up). people ask why I Make it look easy when they cant
even get going. When i try to explain about listening to the wheels,
feeling the wind shifts, and sensing themast strainand flex, they go
blank on me.
Hence the building of a folding schooner for afamily change. herewas
a chance to go back to basics and learn all over again , teach the
kids some basics like sensing wind shifts. these are things they have
to experience not b e told or read.
Eg when i learnt to row my schol teacher (my favourite lesson-
boating 101) we were taught the basics then left alone . One really
rough day we went out 2 at a tme with the teacher in a 12' tinnyand
had to row around in surf. I was so proud when he told me that I was
the first in the class to not go backwards. Mind you i didnt go very
forwards either. we then proceeded to learn how to use an outboard in
massive chop on swell it was a moment fresh in my mind to this day.
I hope i can give my kids an opportunity to do the same one day as
the school system would definitely not even contemplate such a thing
today.
Anyway The scooter really caught my imagination. you would have to
understand the wind and balancing sails and crew to even start to
sail one of these Thanks for the links I now have a set of detailed
plans on file and paper. to oggle over.
All in 24 hrs. Thats why I asked you gentlemen.
David re the film SBS for us in Australia ins the 'Ethnic
station ' ie other languages than the Queens English. They give us
all the Eupoean , asian , an Nth american, sth american news etc that
the comercial channels dont/wont.
some of it is crap, but it was the only place where yuo can see any
sailing at all.
sorry .
re going and seeing the scooters, i'd have to buy a round the world
ticket and would cost as much as this years gross income ( it was a
bad year) but thanks for the invite.
Shade cloth.
Bruce was close , the australin stuff is KNITTED not woven ,and come
sin cream, brick red, green ,grey, green/cream striped, and
occasionally a beautiful blue. I can never get any of my customers to
choose it though so I never get any offcuts.
It lasts in our sun for 10 + years outdoors. and floats.
I have some sewn up bags filled with polystyrene beads . great for
floatation and mattresses. We use heaviest thread and a denim needle
on my wifes sewing machine to work it .
It cost aruond AUS$8.oo a metre (1.2 wide) i could snail mail a
metre or 2 if anyone is interested. The colour is fixed and doesnt
fade,
cheers Paul
god life is great some days. Off sailing in the junebug this sunday,
hoping to meet some new Boaters ( and sell the JB) should pay for
some ply and Epoxy Please dear. A new 12' oar would be nice
--- In bolger@y..., "david galvin" <porcupine@d...> wrote:
Glouchester and Cape Cod," but I forgot, and now it's too late (sigh),
p.p.
> Check out: <http://www.ulster.net/~mriceboat/scooter.html>to
>
> As David Ryan has pointed out, the Great South Bay is on the south
> side of Long Island, between Long Island proper and Fire Island, one
> of the South Shore's barrier islands. The South Shore has
> traditionally been more down-to-earth and working class, as opposed
> the posh North Shore and Long Island Sound, made famous in F. ScottHere I was supposed to write, "...sorta like the difference between
> Fitzgerald's _The Great Gatsby_....
Glouchester and Cape Cod," but I forgot, and now it's too late (sigh),
p.p.
Check out: <http://www.ulster.net/~mriceboat/scooter.html>
As David Ryan has pointed out, the Great South Bay is on the south
side of Long Island, between Long Island proper and Fire Island, one
of the South Shore's barrier islands. The South Shore has
traditionally been more down-to-earth and working class, as opposed to
the posh North Shore and Long Island Sound, made famous in F. Scott
Fitzgerald's _The Great Gatsby_.
What any of this has to do with Phil Bolger, who has never designed an
ice boat (though he did draw a cartoon or two) is beyond me,
porky (who grew up in Massapequa, NY, not far from the bay)
-- In bolger@y..., "pauldayau" <wattleweedooseeds@b...> wrote:
As David Ryan has pointed out, the Great South Bay is on the south
side of Long Island, between Long Island proper and Fire Island, one
of the South Shore's barrier islands. The South Shore has
traditionally been more down-to-earth and working class, as opposed to
the posh North Shore and Long Island Sound, made famous in F. Scott
Fitzgerald's _The Great Gatsby_.
What any of this has to do with Phil Bolger, who has never designed an
ice boat (though he did draw a cartoon or two) is beyond me,
porky (who grew up in Massapequa, NY, not far from the bay)
-- In bolger@y..., "pauldayau" <wattleweedooseeds@b...> wrote:
> i just watched an amazing film on SOUTH BAY SCOOTER ICEYACHTS.they
> were very boatlike with no tiller system , rather they used weight
> and sail combinations to sail. theybsail on long Island sound behind
> Fire Island
> I couldnt record the show . Does anybody know of a contact or
> references o r a website for these boats?
> cheers paul
Check my Icester Iceboat website: http://www.icester.net I have a
list of links there, a couple of which have mentioned the Great South
Bay Scooters. But try http://www.google.com, and play with various
keyword chains. If you want to keep your search specific, put your
phrase in quotes, like "great south bay scooter", or "south bay
scooter", or the chain: scooter iceboat "long island" is a good one.
I tried a couple, and came up with a complete set of plans at:
http://www.ulster.net/~mriceboat/scooter.html
...and another site which sells a video of scooters:
http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/Trips/Gail/GailsVideos.html
If you want to see a real one in operation, and are closer to western
Connecticut than Long Island, then go to Bantam Lake in Litchfield,
Connecticut. There are at least two authentic scooters there every
winter. The selection of iceboats on Bantam each winter is quite
varied (haven't seen one of my Icesters there yet, though!). The club
at Bantam has a site (which links to my forum, also):
http://pages.cthome.net/esigns/wciysc.html
And finally, I saw mention of the Woodenboat articles. Issue #92,
page 52, has the article, "The Great South Bay Scooter, Design and
construction commentary, history, photos, plans". For the mentioned
overall iceboat history in Wooden boat, this appears in issues #38
and #39. These are all great articles... the plans of the scooter in
#92 are enough to build a boat.
But I'll also add, as other responders have, that we would all love
to know what network or cable network aired this show? I, too, would
love to catch it... Rich SantaColoma
list of links there, a couple of which have mentioned the Great South
Bay Scooters. But try http://www.google.com, and play with various
keyword chains. If you want to keep your search specific, put your
phrase in quotes, like "great south bay scooter", or "south bay
scooter", or the chain: scooter iceboat "long island" is a good one.
I tried a couple, and came up with a complete set of plans at:
http://www.ulster.net/~mriceboat/scooter.html
...and another site which sells a video of scooters:
http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/Trips/Gail/GailsVideos.html
If you want to see a real one in operation, and are closer to western
Connecticut than Long Island, then go to Bantam Lake in Litchfield,
Connecticut. There are at least two authentic scooters there every
winter. The selection of iceboats on Bantam each winter is quite
varied (haven't seen one of my Icesters there yet, though!). The club
at Bantam has a site (which links to my forum, also):
http://pages.cthome.net/esigns/wciysc.html
And finally, I saw mention of the Woodenboat articles. Issue #92,
page 52, has the article, "The Great South Bay Scooter, Design and
construction commentary, history, photos, plans". For the mentioned
overall iceboat history in Wooden boat, this appears in issues #38
and #39. These are all great articles... the plans of the scooter in
#92 are enough to build a boat.
But I'll also add, as other responders have, that we would all love
to know what network or cable network aired this show? I, too, would
love to catch it... Rich SantaColoma
--- In bolger@y..., "pauldayau" <wattleweedooseeds@b...> wrote:
> i just watched an amazing film on SOUTH BAY SCOOTER ICEYACHTS.
they
> were very boatlike with no tiller system , rather they used weight
> and sail combinations to sail. theybsail on long Island sound
behind
> Fire Island
> I couldnt record the show . Does anybody know of a contact or
> references o r a website for these boats?
> cheers paul
--- In bolger@y..., "pauldayau" <wattleweedooseeds@b...> wrote:
> i just watched an amazing film on SOUTH BAY SCOOTER ICEYACHTS.they
> were very boatlike with no tiller system , rather they used weightbehind
> and sail combinations to sail. theybsail on long Island sound
> Fire IslandWhat channel had this show? Will they re-broadcast?
> I couldnt record the show . Does anybody know of a contact or
> references o r a website for these boats?
> cheers paul
--- In bolger@y..., "pauldayau" <wattleweedooseeds@b...> wrote:
There was good coverage in a cover story in Wooden Boat. The story
included a bibliography that in turn included references for scooter
plans published in early editions of Pop. Mech. and so forth. One of
these articles, was a two parter with detailed construction plans.
Enough info to esily build the boat, or alter it for ply
construction. It included a radical looking wing sail, not bad for
the 40s or 50s.
The amazing thing about scooters is that, in theory, they sail over
ice, onto water, back up on the ice. Perfect for global warming!
That's why no rudder, though one could imagine a type that might work
on both surfaces, they chose the weight shift method for stearing.
> i just watched an amazing film on SOUTH BAY SCOOTER ICEYACHTS.they
> were very boatlike with no tiller system , rather they used weightbehind
> and sail combinations to sail. theybsail on long Island sound
> Fire IslandI don't know about Scooter sites, presumably you looked?
> I couldnt record the show . Does anybody know of a contact or
> references o r a website for these boats?
> cheers paul
There was good coverage in a cover story in Wooden Boat. The story
included a bibliography that in turn included references for scooter
plans published in early editions of Pop. Mech. and so forth. One of
these articles, was a two parter with detailed construction plans.
Enough info to esily build the boat, or alter it for ply
construction. It included a radical looking wing sail, not bad for
the 40s or 50s.
The amazing thing about scooters is that, in theory, they sail over
ice, onto water, back up on the ice. Perfect for global warming!
That's why no rudder, though one could imagine a type that might work
on both surfaces, they chose the weight shift method for stearing.
We live at the far Eastern tip of Long Island. The Great South Bay is
about an hour and half away. I'll see if I can dig up an info
locally. BTW: Long Island Sound is on the North side, between LI and
Connecticut.
-D
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about an hour and half away. I'll see if I can dig up an info
locally. BTW: Long Island Sound is on the North side, between LI and
Connecticut.
-D
> i just watched an amazing film on SOUTH BAY SCOOTER ICEYACHTS. they--
>were very boatlike with no tiller system , rather they used weight
>and sail combinations to sail. theybsail on long Island sound behind
>Fire Island
> I couldnt record the show . Does anybody know of a contact or
>references o r a website for these boats?
> cheers paul
>
>
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i just watched an amazing film on SOUTH BAY SCOOTER ICEYACHTS. they
were very boatlike with no tiller system , rather they used weight
and sail combinations to sail. theybsail on long Island sound behind
Fire Island
I couldnt record the show . Does anybody know of a contact or
references o r a website for these boats?
cheers paul
were very boatlike with no tiller system , rather they used weight
and sail combinations to sail. theybsail on long Island sound behind
Fire Island
I couldnt record the show . Does anybody know of a contact or
references o r a website for these boats?
cheers paul