Re: [bolger] Re: Light Dory Type V
I used to think that the variations of the Light Dory were the prettiest boats that could be made from 4 sheets of plywood. At the risk of blasphemy, I think Ian Outred's Elf is at least its equal and may actually be prettier....
JohnT
JohnT
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Light Dory Type V
> Amen. Mine's the prettiest boat at the lake whenever she's there. A
> joy to row, and even better with two of us.
Certainly all true, (and this is now splitting hairs), but I think I
notice that during Phil Bolger's career that he has tended towards
giving increased buoyancy in the bow and stern of rowboats. I think
his hypothesis is that there is trade off of 'fine entry lines' versus
a gain from 'effective waterline length' which is slightly more
desireable in rowboats. I bet that the 'perfect' rowboat in PCB's
mind might have more fullness in the ends than a Light Dory V.
Though, I cannot argue that those long sweeping lines are gorgeous,
and might be spoiled if made more full in the ends.
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For what its worth I built a 16' wooden trailer with two fixed wheel barrow tires to transport 16' wooden boat to launch site. In SC you don't have to lic. a trailer. And of course the launch site is only 2 1/2 miles from the house.
Dave
adventures_in_astrophotography <jon@...> wrote:
Hi Wesley,
...snip...
Personally, I'm leaning toward a cart with 2 wheel barrow size
pneumatic wheels (to not sink in the sand, hopefully) which attaches
to the gunnels while the boat is still on the rack and a process I
envision that would never require lifting more than half the weight
of the boat.
...snip...
I built a hand cart that looks like a small wooden trailer for my
Long Light Dory. It's a bit heavy, since it has a 4x4 backbone, but
it beats trailer launching for this sort of "in between" size boat.
I carry the boat and cart to the lake on 2x6 crosswise bunks bolted
to the deck of a 16' utility trailer, then roll the boat off using
cheap ramps and right into the water. This also allows me to launch
off the small beach area away from the impatient crowd in their huge
plastic noisemakers. If you have other use for a utility trailer
(and who doesn't) and a place to park it, I recommend looking into
this approach. Besides, you can carry different boats you might
build later with the same trailer.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
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Dave
adventures_in_astrophotography <jon@...> wrote:
Hi Wesley,
...snip...
Personally, I'm leaning toward a cart with 2 wheel barrow size
pneumatic wheels (to not sink in the sand, hopefully) which attaches
to the gunnels while the boat is still on the rack and a process I
envision that would never require lifting more than half the weight
of the boat.
...snip...
I built a hand cart that looks like a small wooden trailer for my
Long Light Dory. It's a bit heavy, since it has a 4x4 backbone, but
it beats trailer launching for this sort of "in between" size boat.
I carry the boat and cart to the lake on 2x6 crosswise bunks bolted
to the deck of a 16' utility trailer, then roll the boat off using
cheap ramps and right into the water. This also allows me to launch
off the small beach area away from the impatient crowd in their huge
plastic noisemakers. If you have other use for a utility trailer
(and who doesn't) and a place to park it, I recommend looking into
this approach. Besides, you can carry different boats you might
build later with the same trailer.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
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Good idea. I actually have a boat trailer with no boat on it that I could modify, and would have to modify for any curvy hull I would build next. I had considered detaching the trailer from the hitch and pulling it with boat across the beach but the necessary tongue weight for driving would require a tongue extension to make it reasonable for hand carting, resulting in a big long heavy thing to maneuver across the sand. Thanks for the idea.
----- Original Message -----
From: adventures_in_astrophotography
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:14 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Light Dory Type V
Hi Wesley,
...snip...
Personally, I'm leaning toward a cart with 2 wheel barrow size
pneumatic wheels (to not sink in the sand, hopefully) which attaches
to the gunnels while the boat is still on the rack and a process I
envision that would never require lifting more than half the weight
of the boat.
...snip...
I built a hand cart that looks like a small wooden trailer for my
Long Light Dory. It's a bit heavy, since it has a 4x4 backbone, but
it beats trailer launching for this sort of "in between" size boat.
I carry the boat and cart to the lake on 2x6 crosswise bunks bolted
to the deck of a 16' utility trailer, then roll the boat off using
cheap ramps and right into the water. This also allows me to launch
off the small beach area away from the impatient crowd in their huge
plastic noisemakers. If you have other use for a utility trailer
(and who doesn't) and a place to park it, I recommend looking into
this approach. Besides, you can carry different boats you might
build later with the same trailer.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
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> Amen. Mine's the prettiest boat at the lake whenever she's there. ACertainly all true, (and this is now splitting hairs), but I think I
> joy to row, and even better with two of us.
notice that during Phil Bolger's career that he has tended towards
giving increased buoyancy in the bow and stern of rowboats. I think
his hypothesis is that there is trade off of 'fine entry lines' versus
a gain from 'effective waterline length' which is slightly more
desireable in rowboats. I bet that the 'perfect' rowboat in PCB's
mind might have more fullness in the ends than a Light Dory V.
Though, I cannot argue that those long sweeping lines are gorgeous,
and might be spoiled if made more full in the ends.
Hi Sam,
joy to row, and even better with two of us.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> Yeah, but aren't they a sweet boat to row, and to lookAmen. Mine's the prettiest boat at the lake whenever she's there. A
> at? I always used to say mine was the prettiest boat
> in the county, and she still would be, if I hadn't
> built her out of luan.
joy to row, and even better with two of us.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> > Anyone who can stand in an empty gull andCompare the Light Dory(s) with June Bug, which is the same size and
> > scull it is a better man than I.
>
> I'll second that!
weight, but in June Bug you can stand on a gunnel without shipping
water.
Yeah, but aren't they a sweet boat to row, and to look
at? I always used to say mine was the prettiest boat
in the county, and she still would be, if I hadn't
built her out of luan.
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at? I always used to say mine was the prettiest boat
in the county, and she still would be, if I hadn't
built her out of luan.
--- adventures_in_astrophotography
<jon@...> wrote:
> Hi Sam,____________________________________________________________________________________
>
> ... snip...
> > Anyone who can stand in an empty gull and
> > scull it is a better man than I.
>
> I'll second that! I left the sculling notch out of
> my Long Light Dory
> tombstone, simply because it was hard to cut out,
> but I can't imagine
> standing up for long in that boat in anything but
> flat water. It's
> possible that the sculling oar would provide some
> balance, but I'm
> happy to keep my butt on the seat and row.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
>
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Hi Wesley,
...snip...
Personally, I'm leaning toward a cart with 2 wheel barrow size
pneumatic wheels (to not sink in the sand, hopefully) which attaches
to the gunnels while the boat is still on the rack and a process I
envision that would never require lifting more than half the weight
of the boat.
...snip...
I built a hand cart that looks like a small wooden trailer for my
Long Light Dory. It's a bit heavy, since it has a 4x4 backbone, but
it beats trailer launching for this sort of "in between" size boat.
I carry the boat and cart to the lake on 2x6 crosswise bunks bolted
to the deck of a 16' utility trailer, then roll the boat off using
cheap ramps and right into the water. This also allows me to launch
off the small beach area away from the impatient crowd in their huge
plastic noisemakers. If you have other use for a utility trailer
(and who doesn't) and a place to park it, I recommend looking into
this approach. Besides, you can carry different boats you might
build later with the same trailer.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
...snip...
Personally, I'm leaning toward a cart with 2 wheel barrow size
pneumatic wheels (to not sink in the sand, hopefully) which attaches
to the gunnels while the boat is still on the rack and a process I
envision that would never require lifting more than half the weight
of the boat.
...snip...
I built a hand cart that looks like a small wooden trailer for my
Long Light Dory. It's a bit heavy, since it has a 4x4 backbone, but
it beats trailer launching for this sort of "in between" size boat.
I carry the boat and cart to the lake on 2x6 crosswise bunks bolted
to the deck of a 16' utility trailer, then roll the boat off using
cheap ramps and right into the water. This also allows me to launch
off the small beach area away from the impatient crowd in their huge
plastic noisemakers. If you have other use for a utility trailer
(and who doesn't) and a place to park it, I recommend looking into
this approach. Besides, you can carry different boats you might
build later with the same trailer.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Hi Sam,
... snip...
tombstone, simply because it was hard to cut out, but I can't imagine
standing up for long in that boat in anything but flat water. It's
possible that the sculling oar would provide some balance, but I'm
happy to keep my butt on the seat and row.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
... snip...
> Anyone who can stand in an empty gull andI'll second that! I left the sculling notch out of my Long Light Dory
> scull it is a better man than I.
tombstone, simply because it was hard to cut out, but I can't imagine
standing up for long in that boat in anything but flat water. It's
possible that the sculling oar would provide some balance, but I'm
happy to keep my butt on the seat and row.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
That sounds much like what I have in mind. Glad to hear it works for someone.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Lawson
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:00 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Light Dory Type V
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Wesley Cox" <inspirfe@...> wrote:
>
> I agree and I personally much prefer the aesthetics of a double ended
boat. The very small difference in bouyancy in the stern might be
signicant in terms of riding up and over a following sea. What I think
is a more important difference than this, though, is when loading and
unloading from a vehicle.....
Wes:
On cartopping a relatively heavy double ender, I do that with my
Windsprint on an SUV. I have a roof-rack extender on the front rack.
Then on the boat, I have a removable wheel that I lash into the bow
(which points to the rear of the car). To load, I walk the stern of
the overturned boat to the car (bow follows on wheel) and rest it on
the extended front bar. Then I hold the gunwale, walk (back) to the
bow, lift the bow to the center of the back rack, then center the stern
on the front rack while I slide in the extender bar, then lash it all
down.
One day I'll take pics. Not now, with snow on the ground.
Matt Lawson
Trenton, NJ
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Wesley Cox" <inspirfe@...> wrote:
signicant in terms of riding up and over a following sea. What I think
is a more important difference than this, though, is when loading and
unloading from a vehicle.....
Wes:
On cartopping a relatively heavy double ender, I do that with my
Windsprint on an SUV. I have a roof-rack extender on the front rack.
Then on the boat, I have a removable wheel that I lash into the bow
(which points to the rear of the car). To load, I walk the stern of
the overturned boat to the car (bow follows on wheel) and rest it on
the extended front bar. Then I hold the gunwale, walk (back) to the
bow, lift the bow to the center of the back rack, then center the stern
on the front rack while I slide in the extender bar, then lash it all
down.
One day I'll take pics. Not now, with snow on the ground.
Matt Lawson
Trenton, NJ
>boat. The very small difference in bouyancy in the stern might be
> I agree and I personally much prefer the aesthetics of a double ended
signicant in terms of riding up and over a following sea. What I think
is a more important difference than this, though, is when loading and
unloading from a vehicle.....
Wes:
On cartopping a relatively heavy double ender, I do that with my
Windsprint on an SUV. I have a roof-rack extender on the front rack.
Then on the boat, I have a removable wheel that I lash into the bow
(which points to the rear of the car). To load, I walk the stern of
the overturned boat to the car (bow follows on wheel) and rest it on
the extended front bar. Then I hold the gunwale, walk (back) to the
bow, lift the bow to the center of the back rack, then center the stern
on the front rack while I slide in the extender bar, then lash it all
down.
One day I'll take pics. Not now, with snow on the ground.
Matt Lawson
Trenton, NJ
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Freeship_HTandT_Group/
has a lot of support for Freeship
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I agree and I personally much prefer the aesthetics of a double ended boat. The very small difference in bouyancy in the stern might be signicant in terms of riding up and over a following sea. What I think is a more important difference than this, though, is when loading and unloading from a vehicle. Having a fair bit of experience single handed unloading a 90 lb. canoe from the rack on my truck, about 7 ft. high, I've often thought it would be much less tippy during the transition if it had even a small transom, flat on top rather than the rounded top tombstone shape. The canoe I now have weighs more like 75 lb. and it's no problem to rest one point on the ground, support the other end about 1/3 back from the stem on the rack and lift both ends straight up from there. This wasn't always practical with the 90 lb. one depending on wind strength and my level of fatigue. Much heavier and the transom would be a definite plus for this purpose.
Some would say there's a weight limit when car topping, period, and I used to agree but now I'm thinking about a mid-size human or sail powered boat to be either car topped or launched from a trailer for Lake Michigan. It's a choice between trailer launching then going through the mouth of the marina where the chop is always huge compared to the surrounding water and there are frequently big fishing boats, not always piloted in a safe manner or launching from the serene beach a mere 100 yards from the nearest parking, no launch fee, no trailer hassles. Personally, I'm leaning toward a cart with 2 wheel barrow size pneumatic wheels (to not sink in the sand, hopefully) which attaches to the gunnels while the boat is still on the rack and a process I envision that would never require lifting more than half the weight of the boat. A small flat top transom isn't entirely off the table for me, though.
Some would say there's a weight limit when car topping, period, and I used to agree but now I'm thinking about a mid-size human or sail powered boat to be either car topped or launched from a trailer for Lake Michigan. It's a choice between trailer launching then going through the mouth of the marina where the chop is always huge compared to the surrounding water and there are frequently big fishing boats, not always piloted in a safe manner or launching from the serene beach a mere 100 yards from the nearest parking, no launch fee, no trailer hassles. Personally, I'm leaning toward a cart with 2 wheel barrow size pneumatic wheels (to not sink in the sand, hopefully) which attaches to the gunnels while the boat is still on the rack and a process I envision that would never require lifting more than half the weight of the boat. A small flat top transom isn't entirely off the table for me, though.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Glasscock
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Light Dory Type V
Bruce, I think you are right. I built the
stretched light dory, which is a longer
stitch-and-glue version of the Gull. Beautiful boat,
but the hardest part of building it was the tombstone
transom eliminated in the Type Five. The tombstone is
pretty, but useless--a vestigial remnant of the old
dories which could be sculled via the notch in the
transom. Anyone who can stand in an empty gull and
scull it is a better man than I. Making the boat a
double-ender makes it lighter and easier to build
without loss of function, except a very small loss of
bouyancy in the stern.
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
> It appears to me that Light Dory Type V is superior
> to the Gloucester
> Gull in every way but the colorful sounding name. I
> image her as an
> ideal boat to launch through the surf near my home
> to salmon fish.
> Plus, in typical Bolger style, it looks to me that
> she can be squeezed
> from only three sheets of 1/4" ply, (plus a few ply
> scraps from the
> scrap pile for seats).
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/LightDoryV/LightDoryV.png
>http://hallman.org/bolger/LightDoryV/LightDoryV.fbm
>
> The fbm is made using Imperial units, versus the
> original metric, as I
> prefer using inches.
>
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Bruce, I think you are right. I built the
stretched light dory, which is a longer
stitch-and-glue version of the Gull. Beautiful boat,
but the hardest part of building it was the tombstone
transom eliminated in the Type Five. The tombstone is
pretty, but useless--a vestigial remnant of the old
dories which could be sculled via the notch in the
transom. Anyone who can stand in an empty gull and
scull it is a better man than I. Making the boat a
double-ender makes it lighter and easier to build
without loss of function, except a very small loss of
bouyancy in the stern.
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
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stretched light dory, which is a longer
stitch-and-glue version of the Gull. Beautiful boat,
but the hardest part of building it was the tombstone
transom eliminated in the Type Five. The tombstone is
pretty, but useless--a vestigial remnant of the old
dories which could be sculled via the notch in the
transom. Anyone who can stand in an empty gull and
scull it is a better man than I. Making the boat a
double-ender makes it lighter and easier to build
without loss of function, except a very small loss of
bouyancy in the stern.
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
> It appears to me that Light Dory Type V is superior____________________________________________________________________________________
> to the Gloucester
> Gull in every way but the colorful sounding name. I
> image her as an
> ideal boat to launch through the surf near my home
> to salmon fish.
> Plus, in typical Bolger style, it looks to me that
> she can be squeezed
> from only three sheets of 1/4" ply, (plus a few ply
> scraps from the
> scrap pile for seats).
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/LightDoryV/LightDoryV.png
>http://hallman.org/bolger/LightDoryV/LightDoryV.fbm
>
> The fbm is made using Imperial units, versus the
> original metric, as I
> prefer using inches.
>
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Hello bruce. First let me say "Thank You" for all the times you post
FS an PNG pictures of boats. I'm not a Bolger fanatic (Not that you
ARE ;-)), but I always enjoy looking at your boat pictures.
I don't know if your the appointed FS guy, but it's a great service
your provide to everyone on this list.
I have never used FS, but I have used Hulls. One thing I never
figured out was how one could use output from Hulls (or FS) to
generate enough information to actually build a boat. This may be a
completely stupid question, but how can one do it.
For example, I've seen Hull's and FS files for the Paradox. Matt has
yet to release the plans for the Enigma, but it's really just (mostly)
a smaller paradox. One can (I'm sure) open up the Paradox file and
"shrink" the boat, but then how would one A. Print full size
templates out (assuming a big plotter is available), or B Print out a
scale to cut the plywood forms by.
I'm not asking for a step by step tutorial, just a nudge in the right
direction.
P.S. I run Hulls under my Apple iBook G4 under Virtual PC and
Windows98.
Chris Curtis
FS an PNG pictures of boats. I'm not a Bolger fanatic (Not that you
ARE ;-)), but I always enjoy looking at your boat pictures.
I don't know if your the appointed FS guy, but it's a great service
your provide to everyone on this list.
I have never used FS, but I have used Hulls. One thing I never
figured out was how one could use output from Hulls (or FS) to
generate enough information to actually build a boat. This may be a
completely stupid question, but how can one do it.
For example, I've seen Hull's and FS files for the Paradox. Matt has
yet to release the plans for the Enigma, but it's really just (mostly)
a smaller paradox. One can (I'm sure) open up the Paradox file and
"shrink" the boat, but then how would one A. Print full size
templates out (assuming a big plotter is available), or B Print out a
scale to cut the plywood forms by.
I'm not asking for a step by step tutorial, just a nudge in the right
direction.
P.S. I run Hulls under my Apple iBook G4 under Virtual PC and
Windows98.
Chris Curtis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> > but for some reason I ca'nt open the fbm , any ideas ?
>
> The fbm file link just opened fine for me. It requires the Windows
> program Freeship 2.6 with which to open it. If you set your 'folder
> options' to associate the 'fbm' file extensions with the Freeship.exe
> program, the links open directly in the program, otherwise you must
> save the file to your hard drive first.
>
> The program is here, (and elsewhere on the Internet too).
>
>http://hallman.org/fs/2.6/FREEship_version_2.6_win32_executable(2).zip
>
> > Are the dimension similar to the G Gull ?
>
> Very similar to the Gull, but a little lower and wider.
>
> but for some reason I ca'nt open the fbm , any ideas ?The fbm file link just opened fine for me. It requires the Windows
program Freeship 2.6 with which to open it. If you set your 'folder
options' to associate the 'fbm' file extensions with the Freeship.exe
program, the links open directly in the program, otherwise you must
save the file to your hard drive first.
The program is here, (and elsewhere on the Internet too).
http://hallman.org/fs/2.6/FREEship_version_2.6_win32_executable(2).zip
> Are the dimension similar to the G Gull ?Very similar to the Gull, but a little lower and wider.
Hi Bruce
I am able to open your png file
but for some reason I ca'nt open the fbm , any ideas ?
Are the dimension similar to the G Gull ?
All this info is much appreciated
Huw
I am able to open your png file
but for some reason I ca'nt open the fbm , any ideas ?
Are the dimension similar to the G Gull ?
All this info is much appreciated
Huw
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: [bolger] Light Dory Type V
It appears to me that Light Dory Type V is superior to the Gloucester
Gull in every way but the colorful sounding name. I image her as an
ideal boat to launch through the surf near my home to salmon fish.
Plus, in typical Bolger style, it looks to me that she can be squeezed
from only three sheets of 1/4" ply, (plus a few ply scraps from the
scrap pile for seats).
http://hallman.org/bolger/LightDoryV/LightDoryV.png
http://hallman.org/bolger/LightDoryV/LightDoryV.fbm
The fbm is made using Imperial units, versus the original metric, as I
prefer using inches.
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It appears to me that Light Dory Type V is superior to the Gloucester
Gull in every way but the colorful sounding name. I image her as an
ideal boat to launch through the surf near my home to salmon fish.
Plus, in typical Bolger style, it looks to me that she can be squeezed
from only three sheets of 1/4" ply, (plus a few ply scraps from the
scrap pile for seats).
http://hallman.org/bolger/LightDoryV/LightDoryV.png
http://hallman.org/bolger/LightDoryV/LightDoryV.fbm
The fbm is made using Imperial units, versus the original metric, as I
prefer using inches.
Gull in every way but the colorful sounding name. I image her as an
ideal boat to launch through the surf near my home to salmon fish.
Plus, in typical Bolger style, it looks to me that she can be squeezed
from only three sheets of 1/4" ply, (plus a few ply scraps from the
scrap pile for seats).
http://hallman.org/bolger/LightDoryV/LightDoryV.png
http://hallman.org/bolger/LightDoryV/LightDoryV.fbm
The fbm is made using Imperial units, versus the original metric, as I
prefer using inches.
--- In bolger@y..., "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
...going softly into a head
sea and running straight,
with little effort, in a
following one. She's rather
tender on account of sharp
deadrise (but not nearly as
bad as a dory of her weight]"
I, too, am dreaming of the
'next boat'. Which, I could
launch into the surf from the
beach near where I live, and
Crystal might be the best choice.
I imagine that the watertight
volume might be much appreciated
should I swamp in the [cold] surf.
More-so, I take the fact that
Crystal is one of the boats
which PCB chose to personally
own to be high praise.
Looking at the two bows of
Sweet Pea and Crystal side-by
side, indeed Crystal has more
fine entry lines, but not by
that much IMO.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Crystal/two_bows.gif
> Bolger says Sweet Pea willPCB: "[Crystal] outdoes most
> "stamp and stop" in steep waves.
...going softly into a head
sea and running straight,
with little effort, in a
following one. She's rather
tender on account of sharp
deadrise (but not nearly as
bad as a dory of her weight]"
I, too, am dreaming of the
'next boat'. Which, I could
launch into the surf from the
beach near where I live, and
Crystal might be the best choice.
I imagine that the watertight
volume might be much appreciated
should I swamp in the [cold] surf.
More-so, I take the fact that
Crystal is one of the boats
which PCB chose to personally
own to be high praise.
Looking at the two bows of
Sweet Pea and Crystal side-by
side, indeed Crystal has more
fine entry lines, but not by
that much IMO.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Crystal/two_bows.gif
Bolger says Sweet Pea will "stamp and stop" in steep waves. I could
just stay with my existing boat which also has this flaw, as well as
the virtue of staying quite dry. Too bad, as Sweet Pea is also meant
to sail and I bet with a daggerboard or something would even go
upwind well. It has been on my possibilities list at one time or
another, until I got mostly stopped by waves in my existing boat
recently.
As far as flotation, when I had capsized my O'Day Sprite in very cold
water and didn't know someone was coming out to give me a tow, I would
have given a lot for a little more flotation!
As drawn, I think a lot of that underdeck space on Sweet Pea is not
sealed off, though it shouldn't be hard to do. The lines are pretty
different from the Type 5, though they certainly look similar in the
water.
With any of these I would have to pay close attention to weight as I
am trailer resistant. If I accepted trailers, the next stop might be
the Folding Schooner!
just stay with my existing boat which also has this flaw, as well as
the virtue of staying quite dry. Too bad, as Sweet Pea is also meant
to sail and I bet with a daggerboard or something would even go
upwind well. It has been on my possibilities list at one time or
another, until I got mostly stopped by waves in my existing boat
recently.
As far as flotation, when I had capsized my O'Day Sprite in very cold
water and didn't know someone was coming out to give me a tow, I would
have given a lot for a little more flotation!
As drawn, I think a lot of that underdeck space on Sweet Pea is not
sealed off, though it shouldn't be hard to do. The lines are pretty
different from the Type 5, though they certainly look similar in the
water.
With any of these I would have to pay close attention to weight as I
am trailer resistant. If I accepted trailers, the next stop might be
the Folding Schooner!
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >> Still waffling in imaginary future
> >> between Type 5 and Crystal.
> >
> >Another closely similar boat to
> >these two is Sweet Pea. She has
> >the 'double ended dory' shape of
> >the Type 5 and the 'surf capable
> >floatation' of Crystal.
>
> Flotation is *vastly* overrated.
>
>
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>> Still waffling in imaginary futureFlotation is *vastly* overrated.
>> between Type 5 and Crystal.
>
>Another closely similar boat to
>these two is Sweet Pea. She has
>the 'double ended dory' shape of
>the Type 5 and the 'surf capable
>floatation' of Crystal.
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
> Still waffling in imaginary futureAnother closely similar boat to
> between Type 5 and Crystal.
these two is Sweet Pea. She has
the 'double ended dory' shape of
the Type 5 and the 'surf capable
floatation' of Crystal.
...
"But wait, there's more!
It's not sold in any store!"
<Ron Popeil'ish grin>
...
Unlike the other two, she also has
sail rig/rudder/keel which are
removable! This allows her to be
sailed without spoiling her rowing
ability. Not to mention, I believe,
that plans are available from
Payson, [meaning they are cheaper] and
the plans have developed panels
dimensions too.
Thanks. Nice picture. Is that a monkey in the stern? I have the Small
Boats plans too, but I thought there might be more. Gloucester Gull is
meant for strongbacks too, but the side panel expansions are given
anyway in "Go Build Your Own Boat". Seems like even when using
strongback having the expansions might be less work spiling, or
whatever you call it, plus maybe implying that sufficient attention
has been paid to the lines and dimensions to avoid the necessity of
lofting as a double check. To me, having a transom is a negative
point. If you leave it out you don't have to make one. What is the
purpose of dory transoms anyway? Shorter boat? Sculling oar?
Still waffling in imaginary future between Type 5 and Crystal. Also
wondering if someone in Boston area wants something small built.
Boats plans too, but I thought there might be more. Gloucester Gull is
meant for strongbacks too, but the side panel expansions are given
anyway in "Go Build Your Own Boat". Seems like even when using
strongback having the expansions might be less work spiling, or
whatever you call it, plus maybe implying that sufficient attention
has been paid to the lines and dimensions to avoid the necessity of
lofting as a double check. To me, having a transom is a negative
point. If you leave it out you don't have to make one. What is the
purpose of dory transoms anyway? Shorter boat? Sculling oar?
Still waffling in imaginary future between Type 5 and Crystal. Also
wondering if someone in Boston area wants something small built.
--- In bolger@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> Here are a couple of photos of a Type V, the only one I've seen in
the
> flesh:
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/messabout/02/Messabout-2.html
>
> I didn't try it out myself, but it seemed to go well, and I like the
look of
> it (though I think the reason the design wasn't a success is that
people
> like a dory to have a tombstone...). The plans in Small Boats don't
give
> panel expansions, since the boat is supposed to be built on a
strongback.
>
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:13:01 -0000, Lincoln Ross wrote:
> > Thinking about that hazy future when I have a job and money to buy
> > wood. Anyone on this list ever build the Type V? What's it like?
> > Compared to Gloucester Gull? Do the plans include panel
expansions?
> > Remember, this is hazy future stuff, and I could get interested in
> > something else, so don't go to any trouble as it's mostly an
> > entertainment topic.
>
> --
> John <jkohnen@b...>
>http://www.boat-links.com/
> Heaven, as conventionally conceived, is a place so inane, so
dull,
> so useless, so miserable, that nobody has ever ventured to
describe
> a whole day in heaven, though plenty of people have
described
> a day at the seashore. <G. B. Shaw>
Here are a couple of photos of a Type V, the only one I've seen in the
flesh:
http://www.boat-links.com/messabout/02/Messabout-2.html
I didn't try it out myself, but it seemed to go well, and I like the look of
it (though I think the reason the design wasn't a success is that people
like a dory to have a tombstone...). The plans in Small Boats don't give
panel expansions, since the boat is supposed to be built on a strongback.
flesh:
http://www.boat-links.com/messabout/02/Messabout-2.html
I didn't try it out myself, but it seemed to go well, and I like the look of
it (though I think the reason the design wasn't a success is that people
like a dory to have a tombstone...). The plans in Small Boats don't give
panel expansions, since the boat is supposed to be built on a strongback.
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:13:01 -0000, Lincoln Ross wrote:
> Thinking about that hazy future when I have a job and money to buy
> wood. Anyone on this list ever build the Type V? What's it like?
> Compared to Gloucester Gull? Do the plans include panel expansions?
> Remember, this is hazy future stuff, and I could get interested in
> something else, so don't go to any trouble as it's mostly an
> entertainment topic.
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Heaven, as conventionally conceived, is a place so inane, so dull,
so useless, so miserable, that nobody has ever ventured to describe
a whole day in heaven, though plenty of people have described
a day at the seashore. <G. B. Shaw>
Thinking about that hazy future when I have a job and money to buy
wood. Anyone on this list ever build the Type V? What's it like?
Compared to Gloucester Gull? Do the plans include panel expansions?
Remember, this is hazy future stuff, and I could get interested in
something else, so don't go to any trouble as it's mostly an
entertainment topic.
wood. Anyone on this list ever build the Type V? What's it like?
Compared to Gloucester Gull? Do the plans include panel expansions?
Remember, this is hazy future stuff, and I could get interested in
something else, so don't go to any trouble as it's mostly an
entertainment topic.