Re: Cedar's by their real names
Interesting,
In South Central Texas we are choked with Juniperus Ashei (Ash
Juniper). The stuff is has weed status. It tends to be small,
scraggly, invasive, heavy as ironwood, toxic, aggressively
allergenic, and bad humored.
It has "Black Walnut" status in boatbuilding. You won't have to avoid
it as I've never seen it worked except by sculptors and "country art"
hobbyists.
Oh yeah, it does resist rotting rather well which means it's nasty
qualities last a long time.
Feh.
In South Central Texas we are choked with Juniperus Ashei (Ash
Juniper). The stuff is has weed status. It tends to be small,
scraggly, invasive, heavy as ironwood, toxic, aggressively
allergenic, and bad humored.
It has "Black Walnut" status in boatbuilding. You won't have to avoid
it as I've never seen it worked except by sculptors and "country art"
hobbyists.
Oh yeah, it does resist rotting rather well which means it's nasty
qualities last a long time.
Feh.
--- In bolger@y..., sctree@d... wrote:
> Eastern Red Cedar also known as Pencil Cedar and Closet Cedar (as
it makes the best pencil wood, and
> it is the fragrant wood lining closets) is a juniper. Juniperus
virginiana, a member of the cypress
> family. It grows from Hudson's Bay and the Great Lakes down to
Florida and Texas. It has one of the
> most widespread and diverse growing ranges of trees in North
America, but "on the stump" it can look
> very different due to local growing conditions. It probably has
dozens of common names in different
> areas. But again, it is not a cedar.
>
> Is it used in boatbuilding? Idunno....
>
> To confuse things more, I think the boatbuilding wood
called "juniper" and "swamp cedar" in the
> mid-Atlantic states is really Thuja occidentalis, the arborvitae
that you call White Cedar, which is
> native from Nova Scotia to the Carolinas.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> Lincoln Ross wrote:
>
> > What about the Red Cedar that grows in the eastern U.S.? Is that
sold
> > anywhere? It's neat stuff, tho I've never made boats from it.
What is
> > the cedar used for cedar closets? Thanks
> >
> > P.S. If you're working with red cedar around lots of people, pay
> > attention. Some people are allergic. I made some furniture in a
shop
> > with someone who couldn't take it. At the time, I had some red
cedar
> > (grown in the east) logs I wanted to turn on the lathe. Oh well.
> > --- In bolger@y..., sctree@d... wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok, Jeff is using Western Red Cedar, Thuja plicata.
> > >
> > > Here is some nice info from the Western Red Cedar Lumber
> > Association;
> > >
> > >
> >
http://www.wrcla.org/cedarspecs/designershandbook/physicalproperties.a
> > sp
> > >
> > > Just keep it in the back of your head that this is not a cedar,
it's
> > actually an arborvitae in the
> > > cypress family, and a very close relative of American
Arborvitae,
> > what Lincoln calls White Cedar, and
> > > some lumberyards call Atlantic Cedar.
> > >
> > snip
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> Eastern Red Cedar ...grows from Hudson's Bay and the Great Lakesdown to Florida and Texas.
I assume that this item is the first tree to grow up in disused
fields here in the NJ thru CT area. I believe that Peter Culler used
it for small boat spars, if nothing else.
Peter
Eastern Red Cedar also known as Pencil Cedar and Closet Cedar (as it makes the best pencil wood, and
it is the fragrant wood lining closets) is a juniper. Juniperus virginiana, a member of the cypress
family. It grows from Hudson's Bay and the Great Lakes down to Florida and Texas. It has one of the
most widespread and diverse growing ranges of trees in North America, but "on the stump" it can look
very different due to local growing conditions. It probably has dozens of common names in different
areas. But again, it is not a cedar.
Is it used in boatbuilding? Idunno....
To confuse things more, I think the boatbuilding wood called "juniper" and "swamp cedar" in the
mid-Atlantic states is really Thuja occidentalis, the arborvitae that you call White Cedar, which is
native from Nova Scotia to the Carolinas.
Rick
Lincoln Ross wrote:
it is the fragrant wood lining closets) is a juniper. Juniperus virginiana, a member of the cypress
family. It grows from Hudson's Bay and the Great Lakes down to Florida and Texas. It has one of the
most widespread and diverse growing ranges of trees in North America, but "on the stump" it can look
very different due to local growing conditions. It probably has dozens of common names in different
areas. But again, it is not a cedar.
Is it used in boatbuilding? Idunno....
To confuse things more, I think the boatbuilding wood called "juniper" and "swamp cedar" in the
mid-Atlantic states is really Thuja occidentalis, the arborvitae that you call White Cedar, which is
native from Nova Scotia to the Carolinas.
Rick
Lincoln Ross wrote:
> What about the Red Cedar that grows in the eastern U.S.? Is that sold[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> anywhere? It's neat stuff, tho I've never made boats from it. What is
> the cedar used for cedar closets? Thanks
>
> P.S. If you're working with red cedar around lots of people, pay
> attention. Some people are allergic. I made some furniture in a shop
> with someone who couldn't take it. At the time, I had some red cedar
> (grown in the east) logs I wanted to turn on the lathe. Oh well.
> --- In bolger@y..., sctree@d... wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ok, Jeff is using Western Red Cedar, Thuja plicata.
> >
> > Here is some nice info from the Western Red Cedar Lumber
> Association;
> >
> >
>http://www.wrcla.org/cedarspecs/designershandbook/physicalproperties.a
> sp
> >
> > Just keep it in the back of your head that this is not a cedar, it's
> actually an arborvitae in the
> > cypress family, and a very close relative of American Arborvitae,
> what Lincoln calls White Cedar, and
> > some lumberyards call Atlantic Cedar.
> >
> snip
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What about the Red Cedar that grows in the eastern U.S.? Is that sold
anywhere? It's neat stuff, tho I've never made boats from it. What is
the cedar used for cedar closets? Thanks
P.S. If you're working with red cedar around lots of people, pay
attention. Some people are allergic. I made some furniture in a shop
with someone who couldn't take it. At the time, I had some red cedar
(grown in the east) logs I wanted to turn on the lathe. Oh well.
anywhere? It's neat stuff, tho I've never made boats from it. What is
the cedar used for cedar closets? Thanks
P.S. If you're working with red cedar around lots of people, pay
attention. Some people are allergic. I made some furniture in a shop
with someone who couldn't take it. At the time, I had some red cedar
(grown in the east) logs I wanted to turn on the lathe. Oh well.
--- In bolger@y..., sctree@d... wrote:
>
>
> Ok, Jeff is using Western Red Cedar, Thuja plicata.
>
> Here is some nice info from the Western Red Cedar Lumber
Association;
>
>
http://www.wrcla.org/cedarspecs/designershandbook/physicalproperties.a
sp
>
> Just keep it in the back of your head that this is not a cedar, it's
actually an arborvitae in the
> cypress family, and a very close relative of American Arborvitae,
what Lincoln calls White Cedar, and
> some lumberyards call Atlantic Cedar.
>
snip
Ok, Jeff is using Western Red Cedar, Thuja plicata.
Here is some nice info from the Western Red Cedar Lumber Association;
http://www.wrcla.org/cedarspecs/designershandbook/physicalproperties.asp
Just keep it in the back of your head that this is not a cedar, it's actually an arborvitae in the
cypress family, and a very close relative of American Arborvitae, what Lincoln calls White Cedar, and
some lumberyards call Atlantic Cedar.
I've seen Bolger call for either Western Red or Eastern White for the same application. So they must
have very similar properties....
And John, thanks for the heads up on use of Chamaecyparis or falsecypress. Both the Port Orford and
the Alaskan Yellow while in the cypress family are similar to, but not quite cypress, that's why
their Genus is Chamaecyparis... Sounds like great boatbuilding lumber.
All this points out the trouble with calling so many different woods by the same name, "cedar".
Rick
Here is some nice info from the Western Red Cedar Lumber Association;
http://www.wrcla.org/cedarspecs/designershandbook/physicalproperties.asp
Just keep it in the back of your head that this is not a cedar, it's actually an arborvitae in the
cypress family, and a very close relative of American Arborvitae, what Lincoln calls White Cedar, and
some lumberyards call Atlantic Cedar.
I've seen Bolger call for either Western Red or Eastern White for the same application. So they must
have very similar properties....
And John, thanks for the heads up on use of Chamaecyparis or falsecypress. Both the Port Orford and
the Alaskan Yellow while in the cypress family are similar to, but not quite cypress, that's why
their Genus is Chamaecyparis... Sounds like great boatbuilding lumber.
All this points out the trouble with calling so many different woods by the same name, "cedar".
Rick