Re: Catfish Beachcruiser
I came across this discussion while searching for Catfish info. I
just ordered the plans after lots of research on different catboats
and decided that this one "fits" me. I will modify the plans to allow
a more "normal" cat boat cockpit but also retain the canvass shelter
idea. I don't think that it will be difficult to come up with a good
compromise.
The hull itself is similar to many other boats room-wise. I've
compared it to the study plans of the Wittholz 15' catboat which also
has a functional cockpit and a forward "cuddy". I think that if I
keep the cuddy area as designed but reduce the side decks to about 5
inches with a nice fair from the cuddy that it will work. Then I can
build in cockpit seats that can also double as narrow births verses
sleeping on the deck. I will know when the plans arrive and I have
had a chance to work with them a bit. I don't see why it shouldn't be
do-able for a daysailor with a camping option.
I do like the the fixed keel and plan to stay with that. I do think
that I will frame the hull verses stitch and glue though. I've just
finished a Mertens PK78 sailing dinghy and while I am impressed with
the boat and design, I did not enjoy the fiberglass work...and I've
done plenty. Part of the goal of building a boat is the actual
building pleasure and I much prefere wood work over epoxy/glass.
I'm not a heretic though; I understand the benefit of epoxy and will
plan on using it as fastener but want to skip the filets and glass. I
have the Glen-L plywood construction book and it should really help.
I also have a book that shows the Bobcat being this way...
Good luck if you decide to build and I will try to share my results
as well.
Tommy
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
just ordered the plans after lots of research on different catboats
and decided that this one "fits" me. I will modify the plans to allow
a more "normal" cat boat cockpit but also retain the canvass shelter
idea. I don't think that it will be difficult to come up with a good
compromise.
The hull itself is similar to many other boats room-wise. I've
compared it to the study plans of the Wittholz 15' catboat which also
has a functional cockpit and a forward "cuddy". I think that if I
keep the cuddy area as designed but reduce the side decks to about 5
inches with a nice fair from the cuddy that it will work. Then I can
build in cockpit seats that can also double as narrow births verses
sleeping on the deck. I will know when the plans arrive and I have
had a chance to work with them a bit. I don't see why it shouldn't be
do-able for a daysailor with a camping option.
I do like the the fixed keel and plan to stay with that. I do think
that I will frame the hull verses stitch and glue though. I've just
finished a Mertens PK78 sailing dinghy and while I am impressed with
the boat and design, I did not enjoy the fiberglass work...and I've
done plenty. Part of the goal of building a boat is the actual
building pleasure and I much prefere wood work over epoxy/glass.
I'm not a heretic though; I understand the benefit of epoxy and will
plan on using it as fastener but want to skip the filets and glass. I
have the Glen-L plywood construction book and it should really help.
I also have a book that shows the Bobcat being this way...
Good luck if you decide to build and I will try to share my results
as well.
Tommy
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>is
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bris120" <bris120@> wrote:
> > I am going to have to mock something up like yourself or start
> > looking elsewhere as the uncertainty is killing me!
>
> Go ahead and mock it up Brett. Then both your wife and yourself can
> sit inside the lines and get a very good feel for how it would work
> for real. You can try out any combination of options from the
> original or upgrade, or others you may think of. My understanding
> that the deck height for the upgrade wasn't changed. Plenty of roomnon-
> for fishing etc. Have you got the study plan? It's easy enough to
> get close enough measurements from that.
>
> If the salient keel is done away with, another cb option that frees
> up cockpit floor space (I've been looking at it today on another
> Bolger boat having a "false" floor that is closely sized andbeing
> proportioned to Catfish) is like the Cartopper solution. A big kick
> up rudder off the transom to make up for a smaller than usual cb
> that could be way up forward. The cb could be high aspect, and
> relatively long and narrow could have much of its width below the
> floor. The cb case might stick up above the original floor by only
> as much as 6" to 8" or so. The cb case might have to be sealed, so
> there's good and bad. If the board were in a higher case something
> like the brilliant one in SPARKLER (pivot like that in Aussie
> Corsairs if you know them) that might serve without having to be
> sealed (like the upgrade), but OTH it does protrude higher into the
> cockpit space.
>
> Graeme
>
> > PS Was your Hills Hoist stayed or unstayed? ;)
>
> Lots of people seem to opt for other solutions nowadays, but mine's
> stayed unstayed :0)
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bris120" <bris120@...> wrote:
sit inside the lines and get a very good feel for how it would work
for real. You can try out any combination of options from the
original or upgrade, or others you may think of. My understanding is
that the deck height for the upgrade wasn't changed. Plenty of room
for fishing etc. Have you got the study plan? It's easy enough to
get close enough measurements from that.
If the salient keel is done away with, another cb option that frees
up cockpit floor space (I've been looking at it today on another non-
Bolger boat having a "false" floor that is closely sized and
proportioned to Catfish) is like the Cartopper solution. A big kick
up rudder off the transom to make up for a smaller than usual cb
that could be way up forward. The cb could be high aspect, and being
relatively long and narrow could have much of its width below the
floor. The cb case might stick up above the original floor by only
as much as 6" to 8" or so. The cb case might have to be sealed, so
there's good and bad. If the board were in a higher case something
like the brilliant one in SPARKLER (pivot like that in Aussie
Corsairs if you know them) that might serve without having to be
sealed (like the upgrade), but OTH it does protrude higher into the
cockpit space.
Graeme
stayed unstayed :0)
> I am going to have to mock something up like yourself or startGo ahead and mock it up Brett. Then both your wife and yourself can
> looking elsewhere as the uncertainty is killing me!
sit inside the lines and get a very good feel for how it would work
for real. You can try out any combination of options from the
original or upgrade, or others you may think of. My understanding is
that the deck height for the upgrade wasn't changed. Plenty of room
for fishing etc. Have you got the study plan? It's easy enough to
get close enough measurements from that.
If the salient keel is done away with, another cb option that frees
up cockpit floor space (I've been looking at it today on another non-
Bolger boat having a "false" floor that is closely sized and
proportioned to Catfish) is like the Cartopper solution. A big kick
up rudder off the transom to make up for a smaller than usual cb
that could be way up forward. The cb could be high aspect, and being
relatively long and narrow could have much of its width below the
floor. The cb case might stick up above the original floor by only
as much as 6" to 8" or so. The cb case might have to be sealed, so
there's good and bad. If the board were in a higher case something
like the brilliant one in SPARKLER (pivot like that in Aussie
Corsairs if you know them) that might serve without having to be
sealed (like the upgrade), but OTH it does protrude higher into the
cockpit space.
Graeme
> PS Was your Hills Hoist stayed or unstayed? ;)Lots of people seem to opt for other solutions nowadays, but mine's
stayed unstayed :0)
Hi Graeme,
You make a good point about the centreboard draft and its practical
benefits around beaches and tidal areas. I agree that when you look
at the sketch for the revised layout it looks a bit cramped with both
the cb and side benches. Hard to tell as just a few inches can make a
dramatic difference in comfort either way. It has plenty of beam. It
may be fine for cruising but not for sleeping in? (We are not
interested in sleeping in the boat so I am more concerned with a
roomy cockpit for fishing and sailing)
I have been told the revised layout has 5" wide decks which sounds
good for perching on but I think they are the same height as the
original? Bolger commented that the original decks were too high to
sit on, or under comfortably which inspired the revision in the first
place.
I am going to have to mock something up like yourself or start
looking elsewhere as the uncertainty is killing me!
Cheers Brett.
PS Was your Hills Hoist stayed or unstayed? ;)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
You make a good point about the centreboard draft and its practical
benefits around beaches and tidal areas. I agree that when you look
at the sketch for the revised layout it looks a bit cramped with both
the cb and side benches. Hard to tell as just a few inches can make a
dramatic difference in comfort either way. It has plenty of beam. It
may be fine for cruising but not for sleeping in? (We are not
interested in sleeping in the boat so I am more concerned with a
roomy cockpit for fishing and sailing)
I have been told the revised layout has 5" wide decks which sounds
good for perching on but I think they are the same height as the
original? Bolger commented that the original decks were too high to
sit on, or under comfortably which inspired the revision in the first
place.
I am going to have to mock something up like yourself or start
looking elsewhere as the uncertainty is killing me!
Cheers Brett.
PS Was your Hills Hoist stayed or unstayed? ;)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>forward
> Hi Brett,
>
> Ahhh... permutations... and time. In the back of my mind somewhere
> is the thought that actually, for this summer, it will be a 6 sheet
> disposable Zephyr with a bimini thingo, partial floorboards,
> bulwarks, and maybe a lashed-on outrigger with an outboard slungdecks
> from that...
>
>
> I wrote above that the centreboard (and side benches) wreck the
> Catfish cabin for cruising. That's not quite what I meant.
> Comfortable cruising would be possible with one or the other; that
> is, an adult could find room to stretch out on the original floor
> with either the cb or the benches, but not both.
>
> When I mocked up the lines in the backyard using garden hose,
> coloured clothes pegs, a kitchen chair with a thick wooden block on
> it to get the deck height, and a Hills hoist for the mast, I felt
> that in the original there was enough space between the cb and
> to sit out on the decks without cramping the legs too much. Ofleeboard.
> course, aft of the cb there was more athwartships leg room, and I
> looked at that option, but would simply prefer the versatility of
> all the space of the original floor if it's possible with a
>bean
> I'm 6'2" and fairly sure your wife could get out of the sun in some
> comfort under a canopy. Sun smart is important to me too! Also,
> bags might well suit this boat!as
>
> The fin keel is simple isn't it, and that's attractive, and as PB&F
> wrote the finned boat will sail in thinner water, but could it be
> slid any across a mud bank when taking a short cut? The tidal drop
> means the boat often would have to be anchored quite a way out
> (about the same as Micro) and that means either wading a long way
> through chest high water or knee high mud. And the trailer is not
> simple. Yep, permutations alright
>
>
> Cheers
> Graeme
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bris120" <bris120@> wrote:
>
> > .. keel.. I think that from a simplicity point of view and extra
> > space it provides it wins out over the centreboard.
>
Hi Brett,
Ahhh... permutations... and time. In the back of my mind somewhere
is the thought that actually, for this summer, it will be a 6 sheet
disposable Zephyr with a bimini thingo, partial floorboards, forward
bulwarks, and maybe a lashed-on outrigger with an outboard slung
from that...
I wrote above that the centreboard (and side benches) wreck the
Catfish cabin for cruising. That's not quite what I meant.
Comfortable cruising would be possible with one or the other; that
is, an adult could find room to stretch out on the original floor
with either the cb or the benches, but not both.
When I mocked up the lines in the backyard using garden hose,
coloured clothes pegs, a kitchen chair with a thick wooden block on
it to get the deck height, and a Hills hoist for the mast, I felt
that in the original there was enough space between the cb and decks
to sit out on the decks without cramping the legs too much. Of
course, aft of the cb there was more athwartships leg room, and I
looked at that option, but would simply prefer the versatility of
all the space of the original floor if it's possible with a leeboard.
I'm 6'2" and fairly sure your wife could get out of the sun in some
comfort under a canopy. Sun smart is important to me too! Also, bean
bags might well suit this boat!
The fin keel is simple isn't it, and that's attractive, and as PB&F
wrote the finned boat will sail in thinner water, but could it be
slid any across a mud bank when taking a short cut? The tidal drop
means the boat often would have to be anchored quite a way out
(about the same as Micro) and that means either wading a long way
through chest high water or knee high mud. And the trailer is not as
simple. Yep, permutations alright
Cheers
Graeme
Ahhh... permutations... and time. In the back of my mind somewhere
is the thought that actually, for this summer, it will be a 6 sheet
disposable Zephyr with a bimini thingo, partial floorboards, forward
bulwarks, and maybe a lashed-on outrigger with an outboard slung
from that...
I wrote above that the centreboard (and side benches) wreck the
Catfish cabin for cruising. That's not quite what I meant.
Comfortable cruising would be possible with one or the other; that
is, an adult could find room to stretch out on the original floor
with either the cb or the benches, but not both.
When I mocked up the lines in the backyard using garden hose,
coloured clothes pegs, a kitchen chair with a thick wooden block on
it to get the deck height, and a Hills hoist for the mast, I felt
that in the original there was enough space between the cb and decks
to sit out on the decks without cramping the legs too much. Of
course, aft of the cb there was more athwartships leg room, and I
looked at that option, but would simply prefer the versatility of
all the space of the original floor if it's possible with a leeboard.
I'm 6'2" and fairly sure your wife could get out of the sun in some
comfort under a canopy. Sun smart is important to me too! Also, bean
bags might well suit this boat!
The fin keel is simple isn't it, and that's attractive, and as PB&F
wrote the finned boat will sail in thinner water, but could it be
slid any across a mud bank when taking a short cut? The tidal drop
means the boat often would have to be anchored quite a way out
(about the same as Micro) and that means either wading a long way
through chest high water or knee high mud. And the trailer is not as
simple. Yep, permutations alright
Cheers
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bris120" <bris120@...> wrote:
> .. keel.. I think that from a simplicity point of view and extra
> space it provides it wins out over the centreboard.
Hi Graeme
I am also interested in the cruising features of the boat and would
go with the fixed keel - while the draft is a bit of a nuisance I
think that from a simplicity point of view and extra space it
provides it wins out over the centreboard.
I am just not sure about the cockpit layout. I am 6'2" and my wife
would like somewhere to get out of the sun. We are not interested in
sleeping in the boat so I am thinking of using the revised narrow
decks with some side benches at the aft end of the cockpit only
connecting with the rear bench. I am still unsure whether I would put
the false floor in as per the original design or go with the revised
layout which gives more freeboard. The bottom of the boat is flat
anyway!
I like the idea of the canvas shelter and would be adapting something
from the original design or making a second boom purely for a
shelter/tent which sits under the boom. I think that until the boat
is built that decision will not be able to be made.
So many permutations with this design now, choice is a double sided
blade! One of us better bite the bullet and build one so we have more
to go on!
Cheers Brett.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
I am also interested in the cruising features of the boat and would
go with the fixed keel - while the draft is a bit of a nuisance I
think that from a simplicity point of view and extra space it
provides it wins out over the centreboard.
I am just not sure about the cockpit layout. I am 6'2" and my wife
would like somewhere to get out of the sun. We are not interested in
sleeping in the boat so I am thinking of using the revised narrow
decks with some side benches at the aft end of the cockpit only
connecting with the rear bench. I am still unsure whether I would put
the false floor in as per the original design or go with the revised
layout which gives more freeboard. The bottom of the boat is flat
anyway!
I like the idea of the canvas shelter and would be adapting something
from the original design or making a second boom purely for a
shelter/tent which sits under the boom. I think that until the boat
is built that decision will not be able to be made.
So many permutations with this design now, choice is a double sided
blade! One of us better bite the bullet and build one so we have more
to go on!
Cheers Brett.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>mentions
> Hi Brett,
>
> yes, your thinking it to be a Micro made me go and read it again
> too. The shallow keel, that, and being able to walk right through
> the high cockpit to the mast were other clues as well as the single
> gaff sail. I don't know about all the _built in_ storage he
> though, unless using the space for the wc for general storageboats
> instead. I'm sure he's written a few other stories that feature a
> Micro. It'd be interesting to see what his reply was, maybe he may
> be building a CB/BC...
>
> The other day I roughly marked out some of the plan view sectioned
> lines of CATFISH/BEACH CAT and in even less detail a few other
> for comparison. WOW! For 10 sheets of 6mm ply that is a lot of boat!the
>
> I really don't like the revision, bearing in mind that it is
> cruising that I'm considering more than a short day sail. The
> considerably less draft than with the fixed keel would be an
> improvement, but the centreboard (and side benches) just wrecks the
> cockpit. I still think leeboards, of whatever kind (twin or solo),
> or a single lee daggerboard (the one off ANHINGA might do), or
> inclined bilge daggerboards would allow less draft while keeping
> internal space. These all should work as the CLR needs to be at ora
> very near the widest beam. I think the flow lines are in line for
> the bilgeboards. I wonder if it could be built so that the keel
> could be easily added later if other options really didn't pan out?
>
> I could see the merit in what John Tuma posted about placing the
> deck stiffening stringer on the underside so that the decks made a
> better seat for sitting up on the windward side. I'm 185cm, and as
> side bench, for me the side deck height would be reasonablythey
> comfortable.My feet wouldn't reach the other deck edge though, so
> perhaps I'd install some hiking toe straps on the floor in racing
> style ;-) The side decks would be much too high for kids, so I see
> why John Tuma installed side benches inside them.
>
> The boat could be sailed while you were very comfortably sprawled
> athwartships across the floor too. PB&F are correct though when
> said the decks were a bit low for the most comfort inside - theinteresting
> trouble is: if you raise them you can't sit out on them :-( That
> still leaves the complicated birdwatcher option they mentioned of
> much higher sides with picture windows.
>
> The boat seems unbelievably roomy! There are quite a few
> features that PB must have put considerable beach cruiserexperience
> and thought into. The narrow bottom shoe panel makes it look to me
> as if the boat would get along nicely - and in stronger wind John
> Tuma posted, IIRC, that she would plane on the bilge panel!
>
> There's just the issue of draft: about 15" vs 6".
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bris120" <bris120@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Graeme
> >
> > I had another look at Ross Lillistone's article...
>
Hi Brett,
yes, your thinking it to be a Micro made me go and read it again
too. The shallow keel, that, and being able to walk right through
the high cockpit to the mast were other clues as well as the single
gaff sail. I don't know about all the _built in_ storage he mentions
though, unless using the space for the wc for general storage
instead. I'm sure he's written a few other stories that feature a
Micro. It'd be interesting to see what his reply was, maybe he may
be building a CB/BC...
The other day I roughly marked out some of the plan view sectioned
lines of CATFISH/BEACH CAT and in even less detail a few other boats
for comparison. WOW! For 10 sheets of 6mm ply that is a lot of boat!
I really don't like the revision, bearing in mind that it is
cruising that I'm considering more than a short day sail. The
considerably less draft than with the fixed keel would be an
improvement, but the centreboard (and side benches) just wrecks the
cockpit. I still think leeboards, of whatever kind (twin or solo),
or a single lee daggerboard (the one off ANHINGA might do), or
inclined bilge daggerboards would allow less draft while keeping the
internal space. These all should work as the CLR needs to be at or
very near the widest beam. I think the flow lines are in line for
the bilgeboards. I wonder if it could be built so that the keel
could be easily added later if other options really didn't pan out?
I could see the merit in what John Tuma posted about placing the
deck stiffening stringer on the underside so that the decks made a
better seat for sitting up on the windward side. I'm 185cm, and as a
side bench, for me the side deck height would be reasonably
comfortable.My feet wouldn't reach the other deck edge though, so
perhaps I'd install some hiking toe straps on the floor in racing
style ;-) The side decks would be much too high for kids, so I see
why John Tuma installed side benches inside them.
The boat could be sailed while you were very comfortably sprawled
athwartships across the floor too. PB&F are correct though when they
said the decks were a bit low for the most comfort inside - the
trouble is: if you raise them you can't sit out on them :-( That
still leaves the complicated birdwatcher option they mentioned of
much higher sides with picture windows.
The boat seems unbelievably roomy! There are quite a few interesting
features that PB must have put considerable beach cruiser experience
and thought into. The narrow bottom shoe panel makes it look to me
as if the boat would get along nicely - and in stronger wind John
Tuma posted, IIRC, that she would plane on the bilge panel!
There's just the issue of draft: about 15" vs 6".
yes, your thinking it to be a Micro made me go and read it again
too. The shallow keel, that, and being able to walk right through
the high cockpit to the mast were other clues as well as the single
gaff sail. I don't know about all the _built in_ storage he mentions
though, unless using the space for the wc for general storage
instead. I'm sure he's written a few other stories that feature a
Micro. It'd be interesting to see what his reply was, maybe he may
be building a CB/BC...
The other day I roughly marked out some of the plan view sectioned
lines of CATFISH/BEACH CAT and in even less detail a few other boats
for comparison. WOW! For 10 sheets of 6mm ply that is a lot of boat!
I really don't like the revision, bearing in mind that it is
cruising that I'm considering more than a short day sail. The
considerably less draft than with the fixed keel would be an
improvement, but the centreboard (and side benches) just wrecks the
cockpit. I still think leeboards, of whatever kind (twin or solo),
or a single lee daggerboard (the one off ANHINGA might do), or
inclined bilge daggerboards would allow less draft while keeping the
internal space. These all should work as the CLR needs to be at or
very near the widest beam. I think the flow lines are in line for
the bilgeboards. I wonder if it could be built so that the keel
could be easily added later if other options really didn't pan out?
I could see the merit in what John Tuma posted about placing the
deck stiffening stringer on the underside so that the decks made a
better seat for sitting up on the windward side. I'm 185cm, and as a
side bench, for me the side deck height would be reasonably
comfortable.My feet wouldn't reach the other deck edge though, so
perhaps I'd install some hiking toe straps on the floor in racing
style ;-) The side decks would be much too high for kids, so I see
why John Tuma installed side benches inside them.
The boat could be sailed while you were very comfortably sprawled
athwartships across the floor too. PB&F are correct though when they
said the decks were a bit low for the most comfort inside - the
trouble is: if you raise them you can't sit out on them :-( That
still leaves the complicated birdwatcher option they mentioned of
much higher sides with picture windows.
The boat seems unbelievably roomy! There are quite a few interesting
features that PB must have put considerable beach cruiser experience
and thought into. The narrow bottom shoe panel makes it look to me
as if the boat would get along nicely - and in stronger wind John
Tuma posted, IIRC, that she would plane on the bilge panel!
There's just the issue of draft: about 15" vs 6".
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bris120" <bris120@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Graeme
>
> I had another look at Ross Lillistone's article...
Hi Graeme
I had another look at Ross Lillistone's article and I stand
corrected - it may be a beachcat, not a micro as I had thought. He
refers to a single gaff sail, not a yawl.
I might send him a message to see if you are right!
Cheers, Brett.
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
I had another look at Ross Lillistone's article and I stand
corrected - it may be a beachcat, not a micro as I had thought. He
refers to a single gaff sail, not a yawl.
I might send him a message to see if you are right!
Cheers, Brett.
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>or
> G'day Brett,
>
> are you in Bris, OZ? BEACH CAT would be a great boat for the bay,
> right up and down the coast even. I think it would be real good upmore,
> North. I think a recent Ross Lillistone cruising story was based on
> this design. It sounds as if you too want to cruise - not daysail.
>
> SA, I think, wrote about the optional revision to #589 available
> from PB&F in MAIB July 15, 2000 "...And the seating is very
> comfortable. She could still be organized as a camping overnighter
> without much trouble, boom tent and all...". They write of a "boom
> tent" - I don't think one of the original two options for shelter
> would fit without much enlarging and reshaping, the other may well
> suit, or almost, so you might have to adapt the original cuddy
> shelter designs yourself. Neither were "boom tents".
>
> What they do say when writing about this optional revision
> is "..Some day we'll probably get around to redrawing her once
> to cater to those with the widespread no-lead-melting impulse whothey
> desire a "garageable" light cruiser with hard shelter for 1+1 crew,
> this time with a Birdwatcher-type house..." - and I don't think
> have as yet done that.enough,
>
> Importantly, I think, FWIW, they say about the revision "...Now the
> narrow decks are high enough, and the hull sides are buoyant
> to make it very hard to ship any water over the coarning (sic) inwill
> day-sailing weather..." - This needs some translating as the decks
> are at the original height. It's just that, though narrowed a fair
> bit, their width, but mainly the coaming and topsides freeboard
> keep most water where it should be most of the time. Note: Day-clear
> sailing!
>
> Compare that with what they write about designing the
> original "...We had the idea of making her into a camping cruiser,
> with high sides and enough deck to make her cockpit float well
> of the water even in a beam ends knockdown. She could go off byspread-
> herself in squally weather without much tension at the helm..." -
> Note: camping cruiser, by herself, squally weather, little tension!
>
> The optional revision gains the questioable benefits of the
> centreboard, but loses the raised floor, at least as shown in the
> cartoon. That raised floor gave a 52" wide deck flat for real
> out sleeping and other accomodations. The cartoon also seems toshow
> the crew as quite cramped for leg room when seated on the revisedlike,
> benches. Crew is shown as having to stick their legs out and rest
> them on the centreboard case, otherwise the knees will have to
> remain bent. The bottom is quite narrow, maybe 3', so sleeping
> either side of that case is goint to be very squishy, and not
> cuddly, for some.
>
> FWIW I think a leeboard (or two)could be adapted fairly easily to
> the original design, and I'd go with an offset transom-hung kick-up
> rudder (or two shallow endplaters). Yes, that's a bit Michalak-
> but it's also very, very much Bolger. (BEACH CAT is quite differentup
> to even the closest of JM's designs IMO.)
>
> How about some more narrow rectangular ports along the sides high
> in the original, or a narrow full length PICTURE window strip alawill
> BIRDWATCHER? Could a strip of ply topsides only a couple of inches
> wide be replaced with polycarbonate without too much trouble
> structurally or in the building? What do any BIRDWATCHER or
> NAVIGATOR builders think of that?
>
> BEACH CAT
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/BEACH%
> 20CAT/ Paste on that last bit of link in browser if broken, or
> third down page here:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/
>
> Graeme
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "bris120" <bris120@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Miles
> >
> > I have been searching for a boat to build and came across your
> query
> > in the bolger yahoo group. Just wondering if you went ahead and
> > started building a catfish beachcruiser? Like you I am very taken
> by
> > the design with the updated layout. Having seen photos of the
> > original version you can see it didnt work too well.
> >
> > I would like to know if the updated design still allows for a
> > cabin/shelter of some description as shown on the original
> sketches?
> > My wife doesnt like sitting out in the sun all day while cruising
> and
> > fishing. It looks like a handy shelter but I am unsure how it
> > work with the updated deck and interior layout.
> >
> > Cheers Brett.
> >
> >
> > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "miles_bore" <miles_bore@> wrote:
> > >
> > > HI All,
> > > Has any one built the Catfish Beachcruiser with the
> modifications
> > made
> > > by Phil to the deck and the centreboard? I have seached back
> > through
> > > the messages, archives and files and found the discussions and
> > photos
> > > from a year or so ago of the orginal design.
> > > But has any one any knowledge of the revised Catfish?
> > >
> > > I built a MIcro about 6 years ago - great boat, but just a tad
> > heavy
> > > for me to handle on my own. So I sold her a couple of years ago
> and
> > am
> > > now looking for the next boat to build. The Catfish cetainlty
> seems
> > to
> > > fit the bill so far.
> > >
> > > Cheers and Thanks
> > > Miles.
> > >
> >
>
Hi Graeme
Yes I am in Brisbane, Aust and the boat is for weekend cruising
around Moreton Bay. Thank you for your observations as I have been
trying to make sense of the drawings and have faxed Phil Bolger to
clarify a few points such as the height of the sides and ballast.
I have decided that should I proceed I would stick with the fixed
keel with the revised interior and deck layout to retain the open
floor space. I am not sure about the floor heights. I would prefer a
lower floor for head clearance (I am 6'2") if possible and this may
be better for keeping out of the sun under the canvas shelter.
I have asked Phil Bolger whether the canvas shelters have been
retained on the update. If not I dont think they would be hard to
redesign as I like the flexibility of only having them when needed
and still enjoying a full open layout when not.
By the way my bet is Lillistone was talking about a Micro in the
article you mention - have another read and it fits. Also I dont know
of any beachcats or catfish beachcruisers built here yet - they are
very elusive! I suspect that should a couple be built and a bit of
info and photos make it to the web they may take off.
Thanks for the info and I will keep you posted when I hear more from
Mr Bolger about the design.
Cheers Brett.
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
Yes I am in Brisbane, Aust and the boat is for weekend cruising
around Moreton Bay. Thank you for your observations as I have been
trying to make sense of the drawings and have faxed Phil Bolger to
clarify a few points such as the height of the sides and ballast.
I have decided that should I proceed I would stick with the fixed
keel with the revised interior and deck layout to retain the open
floor space. I am not sure about the floor heights. I would prefer a
lower floor for head clearance (I am 6'2") if possible and this may
be better for keeping out of the sun under the canvas shelter.
I have asked Phil Bolger whether the canvas shelters have been
retained on the update. If not I dont think they would be hard to
redesign as I like the flexibility of only having them when needed
and still enjoying a full open layout when not.
By the way my bet is Lillistone was talking about a Micro in the
article you mention - have another read and it fits. Also I dont know
of any beachcats or catfish beachcruisers built here yet - they are
very elusive! I suspect that should a couple be built and a bit of
info and photos make it to the web they may take off.
Thanks for the info and I will keep you posted when I hear more from
Mr Bolger about the design.
Cheers Brett.
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
>or
> G'day Brett,
>
> are you in Bris, OZ? BEACH CAT would be a great boat for the bay,
> right up and down the coast even. I think it would be real good upmore,
> North. I think a recent Ross Lillistone cruising story was based on
> this design. It sounds as if you too want to cruise - not daysail.
>
> SA, I think, wrote about the optional revision to #589 available
> from PB&F in MAIB July 15, 2000 "...And the seating is very
> comfortable. She could still be organized as a camping overnighter
> without much trouble, boom tent and all...". They write of a "boom
> tent" - I don't think one of the original two options for shelter
> would fit without much enlarging and reshaping, the other may well
> suit, or almost, so you might have to adapt the original cuddy
> shelter designs yourself. Neither were "boom tents".
>
> What they do say when writing about this optional revision
> is "..Some day we'll probably get around to redrawing her once
> to cater to those with the widespread no-lead-melting impulse whothey
> desire a "garageable" light cruiser with hard shelter for 1+1 crew,
> this time with a Birdwatcher-type house..." - and I don't think
> have as yet done that.enough,
>
> Importantly, I think, FWIW, they say about the revision "...Now the
> narrow decks are high enough, and the hull sides are buoyant
> to make it very hard to ship any water over the coarning (sic) inwill
> day-sailing weather..." - This needs some translating as the decks
> are at the original height. It's just that, though narrowed a fair
> bit, their width, but mainly the coaming and topsides freeboard
> keep most water where it should be most of the time. Note: Day-clear
> sailing!
>
> Compare that with what they write about designing the
> original "...We had the idea of making her into a camping cruiser,
> with high sides and enough deck to make her cockpit float well
> of the water even in a beam ends knockdown. She could go off byspread-
> herself in squally weather without much tension at the helm..." -
> Note: camping cruiser, by herself, squally weather, little tension!
>
> The optional revision gains the questioable benefits of the
> centreboard, but loses the raised floor, at least as shown in the
> cartoon. That raised floor gave a 52" wide deck flat for real
> out sleeping and other accomodations. The cartoon also seems toshow
> the crew as quite cramped for leg room when seated on the revisedlike,
> benches. Crew is shown as having to stick their legs out and rest
> them on the centreboard case, otherwise the knees will have to
> remain bent. The bottom is quite narrow, maybe 3', so sleeping
> either side of that case is goint to be very squishy, and not
> cuddly, for some.
>
> FWIW I think a leeboard (or two)could be adapted fairly easily to
> the original design, and I'd go with an offset transom-hung kick-up
> rudder (or two shallow endplaters). Yes, that's a bit Michalak-
> but it's also very, very much Bolger. (BEACH CAT is quite differentup
> to even the closest of JM's designs IMO.)
>
> How about some more narrow rectangular ports along the sides high
> in the original, or a narrow full length PICTURE window strip alawill
> BIRDWATCHER? Could a strip of ply topsides only a couple of inches
> wide be replaced with polycarbonate without too much trouble
> structurally or in the building? What do any BIRDWATCHER or
> NAVIGATOR builders think of that?
>
> BEACH CAT
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/BEACH%
> 20CAT/ Paste on that last bit of link in browser if broken, or
> third down page here:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/
>
> Graeme
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "bris120" <bris120@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Miles
> >
> > I have been searching for a boat to build and came across your
> query
> > in the bolger yahoo group. Just wondering if you went ahead and
> > started building a catfish beachcruiser? Like you I am very taken
> by
> > the design with the updated layout. Having seen photos of the
> > original version you can see it didnt work too well.
> >
> > I would like to know if the updated design still allows for a
> > cabin/shelter of some description as shown on the original
> sketches?
> > My wife doesnt like sitting out in the sun all day while cruising
> and
> > fishing. It looks like a handy shelter but I am unsure how it
> > work with the updated deck and interior layout.
> >
> > Cheers Brett.
> >
> >
> > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "miles_bore" <miles_bore@> wrote:
> > >
> > > HI All,
> > > Has any one built the Catfish Beachcruiser with the
> modifications
> > made
> > > by Phil to the deck and the centreboard? I have seached back
> > through
> > > the messages, archives and files and found the discussions and
> > photos
> > > from a year or so ago of the orginal design.
> > > But has any one any knowledge of the revised Catfish?
> > >
> > > I built a MIcro about 6 years ago - great boat, but just a tad
> > heavy
> > > for me to handle on my own. So I sold her a couple of years ago
> and
> > am
> > > now looking for the next boat to build. The Catfish cetainlty
> seems
> > to
> > > fit the bill so far.
> > >
> > > Cheers and Thanks
> > > Miles.
> > >
> >
>
G'day Brett,
are you in Bris, OZ? BEACH CAT would be a great boat for the bay, or
right up and down the coast even. I think it would be real good up
North. I think a recent Ross Lillistone cruising story was based on
this design. It sounds as if you too want to cruise - not daysail.
SA, I think, wrote about the optional revision to #589 available
from PB&F in MAIB July 15, 2000 "...And the seating is very
comfortable. She could still be organized as a camping overnighter
without much trouble, boom tent and all...". They write of a "boom
tent" - I don't think one of the original two options for shelter
would fit without much enlarging and reshaping, the other may well
suit, or almost, so you might have to adapt the original cuddy
shelter designs yourself. Neither were "boom tents".
What they do say when writing about this optional revision
is "..Some day we'll probably get around to redrawing her once more,
to cater to those with the widespread no-lead-melting impulse who
desire a "garageable" light cruiser with hard shelter for 1+1 crew,
this time with a Birdwatcher-type house..." - and I don't think they
have as yet done that.
Importantly, I think, FWIW, they say about the revision "...Now the
narrow decks are high enough, and the hull sides are buoyant enough,
to make it very hard to ship any water over the coarning (sic) in
day-sailing weather..." - This needs some translating as the decks
are at the original height. It's just that, though narrowed a fair
bit, their width, but mainly the coaming and topsides freeboard will
keep most water where it should be most of the time. Note: Day-
sailing!
Compare that with what they write about designing the
original "...We had the idea of making her into a camping cruiser,
with high sides and enough deck to make her cockpit float well clear
of the water even in a beam ends knockdown. She could go off by
herself in squally weather without much tension at the helm..." -
Note: camping cruiser, by herself, squally weather, little tension!
The optional revision gains the questioable benefits of the
centreboard, but loses the raised floor, at least as shown in the
cartoon. That raised floor gave a 52" wide deck flat for real spread-
out sleeping and other accomodations. The cartoon also seems to show
the crew as quite cramped for leg room when seated on the revised
benches. Crew is shown as having to stick their legs out and rest
them on the centreboard case, otherwise the knees will have to
remain bent. The bottom is quite narrow, maybe 3', so sleeping
either side of that case is goint to be very squishy, and not
cuddly, for some.
FWIW I think a leeboard (or two)could be adapted fairly easily to
the original design, and I'd go with an offset transom-hung kick-up
rudder (or two shallow endplaters). Yes, that's a bit Michalak-like,
but it's also very, very much Bolger. (BEACH CAT is quite different
to even the closest of JM's designs IMO.)
How about some more narrow rectangular ports along the sides high up
in the original, or a narrow full length PICTURE window strip ala
BIRDWATCHER? Could a strip of ply topsides only a couple of inches
wide be replaced with polycarbonate without too much trouble
structurally or in the building? What do any BIRDWATCHER or
NAVIGATOR builders think of that?
BEACH CAT
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/BEACH%
20CAT/ Paste on that last bit of link in browser if broken, or
third down page here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/
Graeme
are you in Bris, OZ? BEACH CAT would be a great boat for the bay, or
right up and down the coast even. I think it would be real good up
North. I think a recent Ross Lillistone cruising story was based on
this design. It sounds as if you too want to cruise - not daysail.
SA, I think, wrote about the optional revision to #589 available
from PB&F in MAIB July 15, 2000 "...And the seating is very
comfortable. She could still be organized as a camping overnighter
without much trouble, boom tent and all...". They write of a "boom
tent" - I don't think one of the original two options for shelter
would fit without much enlarging and reshaping, the other may well
suit, or almost, so you might have to adapt the original cuddy
shelter designs yourself. Neither were "boom tents".
What they do say when writing about this optional revision
is "..Some day we'll probably get around to redrawing her once more,
to cater to those with the widespread no-lead-melting impulse who
desire a "garageable" light cruiser with hard shelter for 1+1 crew,
this time with a Birdwatcher-type house..." - and I don't think they
have as yet done that.
Importantly, I think, FWIW, they say about the revision "...Now the
narrow decks are high enough, and the hull sides are buoyant enough,
to make it very hard to ship any water over the coarning (sic) in
day-sailing weather..." - This needs some translating as the decks
are at the original height. It's just that, though narrowed a fair
bit, their width, but mainly the coaming and topsides freeboard will
keep most water where it should be most of the time. Note: Day-
sailing!
Compare that with what they write about designing the
original "...We had the idea of making her into a camping cruiser,
with high sides and enough deck to make her cockpit float well clear
of the water even in a beam ends knockdown. She could go off by
herself in squally weather without much tension at the helm..." -
Note: camping cruiser, by herself, squally weather, little tension!
The optional revision gains the questioable benefits of the
centreboard, but loses the raised floor, at least as shown in the
cartoon. That raised floor gave a 52" wide deck flat for real spread-
out sleeping and other accomodations. The cartoon also seems to show
the crew as quite cramped for leg room when seated on the revised
benches. Crew is shown as having to stick their legs out and rest
them on the centreboard case, otherwise the knees will have to
remain bent. The bottom is quite narrow, maybe 3', so sleeping
either side of that case is goint to be very squishy, and not
cuddly, for some.
FWIW I think a leeboard (or two)could be adapted fairly easily to
the original design, and I'd go with an offset transom-hung kick-up
rudder (or two shallow endplaters). Yes, that's a bit Michalak-like,
but it's also very, very much Bolger. (BEACH CAT is quite different
to even the closest of JM's designs IMO.)
How about some more narrow rectangular ports along the sides high up
in the original, or a narrow full length PICTURE window strip ala
BIRDWATCHER? Could a strip of ply topsides only a couple of inches
wide be replaced with polycarbonate without too much trouble
structurally or in the building? What do any BIRDWATCHER or
NAVIGATOR builders think of that?
BEACH CAT
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/BEACH%
20CAT/ Paste on that last bit of link in browser if broken, or
third down page here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/
Graeme
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "bris120" <bris120@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Miles
>
> I have been searching for a boat to build and came across your
query
> in the bolger yahoo group. Just wondering if you went ahead and
> started building a catfish beachcruiser? Like you I am very taken
by
> the design with the updated layout. Having seen photos of the
> original version you can see it didnt work too well.
>
> I would like to know if the updated design still allows for a
> cabin/shelter of some description as shown on the original
sketches?
> My wife doesnt like sitting out in the sun all day while cruising
and
> fishing. It looks like a handy shelter but I am unsure how it will
> work with the updated deck and interior layout.
>
> Cheers Brett.
>
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "miles_bore" <miles_bore@> wrote:
> >
> > HI All,
> > Has any one built the Catfish Beachcruiser with the
modifications
> made
> > by Phil to the deck and the centreboard? I have seached back
> through
> > the messages, archives and files and found the discussions and
> photos
> > from a year or so ago of the orginal design.
> > But has any one any knowledge of the revised Catfish?
> >
> > I built a MIcro about 6 years ago - great boat, but just a tad
> heavy
> > for me to handle on my own. So I sold her a couple of years ago
and
> am
> > now looking for the next boat to build. The Catfish cetainlty
seems
> to
> > fit the bill so far.
> >
> > Cheers and Thanks
> > Miles.
> >
>
Hi Miles
I have been searching for a boat to build and came across your query
in the bolger yahoo group. Just wondering if you went ahead and
started building a catfish beachcruiser? Like you I am very taken by
the design with the updated layout. Having seen photos of the
original version you can see it didnt work too well.
I would like to know if the updated design still allows for a
cabin/shelter of some description as shown on the original sketches?
My wife doesnt like sitting out in the sun all day while cruising and
fishing. It looks like a handy shelter but I am unsure how it will
work with the updated deck and interior layout.
Cheers Brett.
I have been searching for a boat to build and came across your query
in the bolger yahoo group. Just wondering if you went ahead and
started building a catfish beachcruiser? Like you I am very taken by
the design with the updated layout. Having seen photos of the
original version you can see it didnt work too well.
I would like to know if the updated design still allows for a
cabin/shelter of some description as shown on the original sketches?
My wife doesnt like sitting out in the sun all day while cruising and
fishing. It looks like a handy shelter but I am unsure how it will
work with the updated deck and interior layout.
Cheers Brett.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "miles_bore" <miles_bore@...> wrote:
>
> HI All,
> Has any one built the Catfish Beachcruiser with the modifications
made
> by Phil to the deck and the centreboard? I have seached back
through
> the messages, archives and files and found the discussions and
photos
> from a year or so ago of the orginal design.
> But has any one any knowledge of the revised Catfish?
>
> I built a MIcro about 6 years ago - great boat, but just a tad
heavy
> for me to handle on my own. So I sold her a couple of years ago and
am
> now looking for the next boat to build. The Catfish cetainlty seems
to
> fit the bill so far.
>
> Cheers and Thanks
> Miles.
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John and Kathy Trussell"
<jtrussell2@...> wrote:
project, although the sail plan would have to be altered to clear the
top.
Planning this very thing for next winters project. A note from Bolger
OK'd the concept and suggested simply raising the main a foot would
give clearance without messing up balance. I'd proposed the Super
Mouse rig but he had no time to work it out. Meanwhile, back to
grinding on the new Teal if it's gonna splash by Memorial Day.
From the muddy but blessedly ice free Mississippi,
Bob
<jtrussell2@...> wrote:
>With Old Shoe's vertical sides, it should be a straight forward
> I wonder what would happen if you put a BW cabin on an Old Shoe.
project, although the sail plan would have to be altered to clear the
top.
Planning this very thing for next winters project. A note from Bolger
OK'd the concept and suggested simply raising the main a foot would
give clearance without messing up balance. I'd proposed the Super
Mouse rig but he had no time to work it out. Meanwhile, back to
grinding on the new Teal if it's gonna splash by Memorial Day.
From the muddy but blessedly ice free Mississippi,
Bob
I wonder what would happen if you put a BW cabin on an Old Shoe. With Old Shoe's vertical sides, it should be a straight forward project, although the sail plan would have to be altered to clear the top.
JohnT
JohnT
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Curtis
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Catfish Beachcruiser
On Apr 27, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Chris Curtis
> <ccurtis-keyword-sailboat.a927b9@...> wrote:
> >
> > Reply to myself. Both are links to the same location, go back to
> sleep!
> >
> > CC
> >
> Well thanks for waking me up! I have no idea why I put in two links.
I realized the trailing (correct punctuation) would cause less
Internet savvy people problems. I posted before I even tried the
second link. I was remarking to myself to wake up. Just trying to
be helpful (sometimes a liability;0)
>
> I think PCB&F would be interested in a "Birdwatcher" type cabin
> upgrade to Catfish. And it would be a very useful consideration for
> some folks. I have often wondered why more of these boats were never
> built. Perhaps because it may take almost as much work as the already
> available Chebacco version, may be the deciding factor?
I agree the Catfish would be nice with a BW cabin. But then again,
many boats could be fitted with the BW cabin. I'm a bit biased, as
I'm building a BW style boat. I think some boats "take off" due to
persons whom share their building and sailing pictures. I think this
is inspiring to some (many?). Many (all?) of the popular designs
have a community that builds around them, and things take on a life
of their own.
Chris Curtis
>
> Yet it is lighter to trailer, requires a smaller motor, and seems to
> have a lot of interior space for it's outer dimensions. Sort of a
> motorsailer version of Camper 640 for those of us too lazy to row. Bob
> mentions he could do 7-8 knots with the CMS with the 9.9. This might
> do 5 knots with half the power.
>
> So I ordered the Payson book to see what he has to say about it. If
> one considers the cost of materials, including sails, the plan price,
> and the cost of a smaller motor which just sips gas - perhaps the time
> is ripe:-)
>
> To me the bow profile of this design is really attractive. Sort of
> like one the larger freighter canoes written about in a recent MAIB
> article. But has shelter and probably costs less to build.
> Nels (Taking a break at doing the old taxes.)
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On Apr 27, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Nels wrote:
Internet savvy people problems. I posted before I even tried the
second link. I was remarking to myself to wake up. Just trying to
be helpful (sometimes a liability;0)
many boats could be fitted with the BW cabin. I'm a bit biased, as
I'm building a BW style boat. I think some boats "take off" due to
persons whom share their building and sailing pictures. I think this
is inspiring to some (many?). Many (all?) of the popular designs
have a community that builds around them, and things take on a life
of their own.
Chris Curtis
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Chris CurtisI realized the trailing (correct punctuation) would cause less
> <ccurtis-keyword-sailboat.a927b9@...> wrote:
> >
> > Reply to myself. Both are links to the same location, go back to
> sleep!
> >
> > CC
> >
> Well thanks for waking me up! I have no idea why I put in two links.
Internet savvy people problems. I posted before I even tried the
second link. I was remarking to myself to wake up. Just trying to
be helpful (sometimes a liability;0)
>I agree the Catfish would be nice with a BW cabin. But then again,
> I think PCB&F would be interested in a "Birdwatcher" type cabin
> upgrade to Catfish. And it would be a very useful consideration for
> some folks. I have often wondered why more of these boats were never
> built. Perhaps because it may take almost as much work as the already
> available Chebacco version, may be the deciding factor?
many boats could be fitted with the BW cabin. I'm a bit biased, as
I'm building a BW style boat. I think some boats "take off" due to
persons whom share their building and sailing pictures. I think this
is inspiring to some (many?). Many (all?) of the popular designs
have a community that builds around them, and things take on a life
of their own.
Chris Curtis
>
> Yet it is lighter to trailer, requires a smaller motor, and seems to
> have a lot of interior space for it's outer dimensions. Sort of a
> motorsailer version of Camper 640 for those of us too lazy to row. Bob
> mentions he could do 7-8 knots with the CMS with the 9.9. This might
> do 5 knots with half the power.
>
> So I ordered the Payson book to see what he has to say about it. If
> one considers the cost of materials, including sails, the plan price,
> and the cost of a smaller motor which just sips gas - perhaps the time
> is ripe:-)
>
> To me the bow profile of this design is really attractive. Sort of
> like one the larger freighter canoes written about in a recent MAIB
> article. But has shelter and probably costs less to build.
> Nels (Taking a break at doing the old taxes.)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Chris Curtis
<ccurtis-keyword-sailboat.a927b9@...> wrote:
I think PCB&F would be interested in a "Birdwatcher" type cabin
upgrade to Catfish. And it would be a very useful consideration for
some folks. I have often wondered why more of these boats were never
built. Perhaps because it may take almost as much work as the already
available Chebacco version, may be the deciding factor?
Yet it is lighter to trailer, requires a smaller motor, and seems to
have a lot of interior space for it's outer dimensions. Sort of a
motorsailer version of Camper 640 for those of us too lazy to row. Bob
mentions he could do 7-8 knots with the CMS with the 9.9. This might
do 5 knots with half the power.
So I ordered the Payson book to see what he has to say about it. If
one considers the cost of materials, including sails, the plan price,
and the cost of a smaller motor which just sips gas - perhaps the time
is ripe:-)
To me the bow profile of this design is really attractive. Sort of
like one the larger freighter canoes written about in a recent MAIB
article. But has shelter and probably costs less to build.
Nels (Taking a break at doing the old taxes.)
<ccurtis-keyword-sailboat.a927b9@...> wrote:
>Well thanks for waking me up! I have no idea why I put in two links.
> Reply to myself. Both are links to the same location, go back to sleep!
>
> CC
>
I think PCB&F would be interested in a "Birdwatcher" type cabin
upgrade to Catfish. And it would be a very useful consideration for
some folks. I have often wondered why more of these boats were never
built. Perhaps because it may take almost as much work as the already
available Chebacco version, may be the deciding factor?
Yet it is lighter to trailer, requires a smaller motor, and seems to
have a lot of interior space for it's outer dimensions. Sort of a
motorsailer version of Camper 640 for those of us too lazy to row. Bob
mentions he could do 7-8 knots with the CMS with the 9.9. This might
do 5 knots with half the power.
So I ordered the Payson book to see what he has to say about it. If
one considers the cost of materials, including sails, the plan price,
and the cost of a smaller motor which just sips gas - perhaps the time
is ripe:-)
To me the bow profile of this design is really attractive. Sort of
like one the larger freighter canoes written about in a recent MAIB
article. But has shelter and probably costs less to build.
Nels (Taking a break at doing the old taxes.)
Reply to myself. Both are links to the same location, go back to sleep!
CC
CC
On Apr 27, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Chris Curtis wrote:
> FYI, the first link will not work unless you remove the trailing
> period. Otherwise, a beautiful boat!
>
> Chris Curtis
>
> On Apr 27, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Nels wrote:
>
> > When looking at the photos of the "Tumafish" cabin, I wonder how it
> > would look if it was a bit higher?
> >
> > Like Bob Cushing's Chebacco.
> >
> >http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac17.htm.
> >
> > Smaller area sail with a higher boom location and perhaps a small
> > mizzen? 4 horse 4-stroke motor?
> >
> >http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac17.htm
> >
> > Nels
> >
> >
> >
>
> "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the
> side of the oppressor.": Bishop Desmond Tutu -(1931- ) Nobel Prize
> for Peace 1984
>
>
>
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the
side of the oppressor.": Bishop Desmond Tutu -(1931- ) Nobel Prize
for Peace 1984
FYI, the first link will not work unless you remove the trailing
period. Otherwise, a beautiful boat!
Chris Curtis
period. Otherwise, a beautiful boat!
Chris Curtis
On Apr 27, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Nels wrote:
> When looking at the photos of the "Tumafish" cabin, I wonder how it
> would look if it was a bit higher?
>
> Like Bob Cushing's Chebacco.
>
>http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac17.htm.
>
> Smaller area sail with a higher boom location and perhaps a small
> mizzen? 4 horse 4-stroke motor?
>
>http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac17.htm
>
> Nels
>
>
>
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the
side of the oppressor.": Bishop Desmond Tutu -(1931- ) Nobel Prize
for Peace 1984
When looking at the photos of the "Tumafish" cabin, I wonder how it
would look if it was a bit higher?
Like Bob Cushing's Chebacco.
http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac17.htm.
Smaller area sail with a higher boom location and perhaps a small
mizzen? 4 horse 4-stroke motor?
http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac17.htm
Nels
would look if it was a bit higher?
Like Bob Cushing's Chebacco.
http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac17.htm.
Smaller area sail with a higher boom location and perhaps a small
mizzen? 4 horse 4-stroke motor?
http://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac17.htm
Nels
HI All,
Has any one built the Catfish Beachcruiser with the modifications made
by Phil to the deck and the centreboard? I have seached back through
the messages, archives and files and found the discussions and photos
from a year or so ago of the orginal design.
But has any one any knowledge of the revised Catfish?
I built a MIcro about 6 years ago - great boat, but just a tad heavy
for me to handle on my own. So I sold her a couple of years ago and am
now looking for the next boat to build. The Catfish cetainlty seems to
fit the bill so far.
Cheers and Thanks
Miles.
Has any one built the Catfish Beachcruiser with the modifications made
by Phil to the deck and the centreboard? I have seached back through
the messages, archives and files and found the discussions and photos
from a year or so ago of the orginal design.
But has any one any knowledge of the revised Catfish?
I built a MIcro about 6 years ago - great boat, but just a tad heavy
for me to handle on my own. So I sold her a couple of years ago and am
now looking for the next boat to build. The Catfish cetainlty seems to
fit the bill so far.
Cheers and Thanks
Miles.
Giuseppe,
All of the plywood is 1/4 inch, and Catfish carries 139 sq. ft. of sail.
John Tuma
All of the plywood is 1/4 inch, and Catfish carries 139 sq. ft. of sail.
John Tuma
>
> Dear all - I was giving a look at John Tuma's pictures and at
> Dynamite Payson's study plans of this nice boat. Looks great and very
> safe. Dynamite's study plans are low resolution though, so I couldn't
> read a few numbers. In particular, I'd like to know how thick the
> plywood needs to be (I imagine it's 3/8", but the number is very
> blurred) and how much sail area does it have. I'd like to know also
> the loaded displacement and draft. Thanks all, and best
> Pippo
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
PCB has made that nice boat even nicer with a new layout for the cockpit:
http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/archives/mbissuejuly00.html
-- Wade Leftwich
Ithaca, NY USA
http://www.messingaboutinboats.com/archives/mbissuejuly00.html
-- Wade Leftwich
Ithaca, NY USA
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Giuseppe Bianco [mailto:giuseppe.bianco@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:52 AM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Catfish Beachcruiser
>
>
>
> Dear all - I was giving a look at John Tuma's pictures and at
> Dynamite Payson's study plans of this nice boat. Looks great and very
> safe. Dynamite's study plans are low resolution though, so I couldn't
> read a few numbers. In particular, I'd like to know how thick the
> plywood needs to be (I imagine it's 3/8", but the number is very
> blurred) and how much sail area does it have. I'd like to know also
> the loaded displacement and draft. Thanks all, and best
> Pippo
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
Dear all - I was giving a look at John Tuma's pictures and at
Dynamite Payson's study plans of this nice boat. Looks great and very
safe. Dynamite's study plans are low resolution though, so I couldn't
read a few numbers. In particular, I'd like to know how thick the
plywood needs to be (I imagine it's 3/8", but the number is very
blurred) and how much sail area does it have. I'd like to know also
the loaded displacement and draft. Thanks all, and best
Pippo
Dynamite Payson's study plans of this nice boat. Looks great and very
safe. Dynamite's study plans are low resolution though, so I couldn't
read a few numbers. In particular, I'd like to know how thick the
plywood needs to be (I imagine it's 3/8", but the number is very
blurred) and how much sail area does it have. I'd like to know also
the loaded displacement and draft. Thanks all, and best
Pippo
I receieved this email from John Tuma, Catfish 15 Beachcruiser builder
a couple of days ago. I guess seating was an issue for him as well.
[BEGIN QUOTE]
Hi Matthew,
The Catfish is a great little boat. I sold mine last year, but I'm
having second thoughts. It was a lot of fun to sail. And pretty too.
However, it was either too small or too large, depending on the number
family members I wanted to take sailing or the distance I was
considering trailering it. I am actually considering building another
one, although with a slightly modified interior. The designed interior
is a bit sparse, so I put bench seats in mine. I would do a more
permanent job of it were I to do it again. The gaff rig is a fun to
sail, and way fast off the wind. The shallow keel and low-aspect main
doesn't make for much progress to weather, but progress was generally
okay once I learned to tune the rig.
Overall, a great little boat.
John Tuma
[END QUOTE]
I also noticed that Payson said, "the cockpit sole is flat and clear,
10'4"x4'6"," which would correspond to the sole WITHOUT the forward and
aft stowage/seats, so I wonder if that's the original layout.
I've been trying to sketch out a U-shaped rear seat, without blocking
the sole for camping out.
Any suggestions...other than build a Chebacco instead? ;-)
Matthew
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a couple of days ago. I guess seating was an issue for him as well.
[BEGIN QUOTE]
Hi Matthew,
The Catfish is a great little boat. I sold mine last year, but I'm
having second thoughts. It was a lot of fun to sail. And pretty too.
However, it was either too small or too large, depending on the number
family members I wanted to take sailing or the distance I was
considering trailering it. I am actually considering building another
one, although with a slightly modified interior. The designed interior
is a bit sparse, so I put bench seats in mine. I would do a more
permanent job of it were I to do it again. The gaff rig is a fun to
sail, and way fast off the wind. The shallow keel and low-aspect main
doesn't make for much progress to weather, but progress was generally
okay once I learned to tune the rig.
Overall, a great little boat.
John Tuma
[END QUOTE]
I also noticed that Payson said, "the cockpit sole is flat and clear,
10'4"x4'6"," which would correspond to the sole WITHOUT the forward and
aft stowage/seats, so I wonder if that's the original layout.
I've been trying to sketch out a U-shaped rear seat, without blocking
the sole for camping out.
Any suggestions...other than build a Chebacco instead? ;-)
Matthew
--
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Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts, USA
Visit our homepage & the Bolger Brick "Tetard" pages!
http://www.gis.net/~owlnmole
i think theres seats on ether side down lower?? D.W.Johnson
The drawing also shows a stern seat that might have enough space to let
the helmsman sit right next to the tiller. It's hard to tell without
scaling the drawing.
"peter vanderwaart" <pvander-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2389
the helmsman sit right next to the tiller. It's hard to tell without
scaling the drawing.
"peter vanderwaart" <pvander-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2389
> > I have been studing those plans as well and it looks to me like theto
> helmsman
> > stands.
>
> I must say that I find the plans of Catfish to be somewhat difficult
> understand. In part, this is because she has some unusual features.For
> example, a cockpit sole is usually below the waterline (not-selfI
> bailing) or well above the waterline (postively self-bailing). In
> Catfish it is very close to the waterline.
>
> However, clearly the point of the design is to use a shallow keel and
> keep the cockpit free of the obstructions of a centerboard. There
> should be wonderful sparwling space for a boat only 15' long. The side
> decks are about 2' above the cockpit sole. The helmsman could be very
> comfortable sitting on the sole (perhaps on a boat cushion). He could
> see pretty well, if the canvas hood was lowered. Alternately, he can
> sit on the wide side deck. Since the tiller is shown at a low height,
> infer Mr. Bolger had the former in mind.
>
> Peter
>
>
> I have been studing those plans as well and it looks to me like thehelmsman
> stands.I must say that I find the plans of Catfish to be somewhat difficult to
understand. In part, this is because she has some unusual features. For
example, a cockpit sole is usually below the waterline (not-self
bailing) or well above the waterline (postively self-bailing). In
Catfish it is very close to the waterline.
However, clearly the point of the design is to use a shallow keel and
keep the cockpit free of the obstructions of a centerboard. There
should be wonderful sparwling space for a boat only 15' long. The side
decks are about 2' above the cockpit sole. The helmsman could be very
comfortable sitting on the sole (perhaps on a boat cushion). He could
see pretty well, if the canvas hood was lowered. Alternately, he can
sit on the wide side deck. Since the tiller is shown at a low height, I
infer Mr. Bolger had the former in mind.
Peter
I have been studing those plans as well and it looks to me like the helmsman
stands.
stands.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Samson family [SMTP:Bill.Samson@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 5:20 AM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Catfish Beachcruiser
>
> Hi,
>
> Browsing my study plans (again!).
>
> I can't figure where the helmsman sits on the Catfish. Does he/she perch
> on
> the high deck? Is it down below? - might be hard to see where you're
> going.
> I guess with a big sail like that you'd want to be able to sit out.
>
> Bill
> --bill.samson@...
>
> Chebacco News can be viewed on:
>http://members.xoom.com/billsamson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Long & Agnès Peillet <owlnmole@...>
> To:bolger@...<bolger@...>
> Date: 08 February 2000 00:43
> Subject: [bolger] Catfish Beachcruiser
>
>
> >Eureka!
> >
> >[Comments by H. H. Payson in MESSING ABOUT IN
> >BOATS Vol. 11, Issue 8, p. 21]
> >
> >[quote]
> >
> >CATFISH 15 BEACHCRUISER
> >
> >Filling the gap between the highly successful
> >Chebacco 20 and 12' Bobcat comes the Catfish 15
> >Beachcruiser from the drawing board of Phil
> >Bolger by way of my Instant Boat Plans.
> >
> >Built from plywood, the Catfish ought to weigh
> >in under 300 pounds stripped according to
> >Bolger. This allows the "beachcruiser" to be
> >realized. With the aid of air rollers or a
> >dolly she could be launched and landed on beach.
> >
> >The wide high deck makes it almost impossible to
> >capsized her. Not quite impossible, but you
> >have to reach far for a scenario that would do
> >it. The low deck aft is for boarding. The mast
> >and watertight anchor well can be reached while
> >standing hip-deep in the boat and the mast can
> >be lowered from the cockpit without special
> >gear.
> >
> >The cockpit sole is flat and clear, 10'4"x4'6"
> >on which to lay down air mattresses. A couple
> >of folding chairs would be pleasant at times.
> >For bad weather, or to get out of the sunshine,
> >a Maine fisherman-style spray hood sets up in a
> >couple of minutes and takes down even faster
> >with ridgepole and crotch brace storing neatly
> >out of the way.
> >
> >Completed plans are available...from Dynamite
> >Payson....
> >
> >[end quote]
> >
> >Attached is a picture of a model, built by
> >Payson I imagine.
> >
> >Now, my question is, "Why haven't I ever heard
> >anyone discussing this design before--pros,
> >cons, strengths, weaknesses?"
> >
> >John Tuma (I heard you built one), are you out
> >there?
> >
> >PCB&F, anything to add?
> >
> >Regards to all,
> >
> >Matthew
> >
> >--
> >Matthew Long & Agnès Peillet
> >Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts, USA
> >Visit our homepage & the Bolger Brick "Tetard"
> >pages!
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Hi,
Browsing my study plans (again!).
I can't figure where the helmsman sits on the Catfish. Does he/she perch on
the high deck? Is it down below? - might be hard to see where you're going.
I guess with a big sail like that you'd want to be able to sit out.
Bill
--bill.samson@...
Chebacco News can be viewed on:
http://members.xoom.com/billsamson
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Long & Agnès Peillet <owlnmole@...>
To:bolger@...<bolger@...>
Date: 08 February 2000 00:43
Subject: [bolger] Catfish Beachcruiser
Browsing my study plans (again!).
I can't figure where the helmsman sits on the Catfish. Does he/she perch on
the high deck? Is it down below? - might be hard to see where you're going.
I guess with a big sail like that you'd want to be able to sit out.
Bill
--bill.samson@...
Chebacco News can be viewed on:
http://members.xoom.com/billsamson
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Long & Agnès Peillet <owlnmole@...>
To:bolger@...<bolger@...>
Date: 08 February 2000 00:43
Subject: [bolger] Catfish Beachcruiser
>Eureka!
>
>[Comments by H. H. Payson in MESSING ABOUT IN
>BOATS Vol. 11, Issue 8, p. 21]
>
>[quote]
>
>CATFISH 15 BEACHCRUISER
>
>Filling the gap between the highly successful
>Chebacco 20 and 12' Bobcat comes the Catfish 15
>Beachcruiser from the drawing board of Phil
>Bolger by way of my Instant Boat Plans.
>
>Built from plywood, the Catfish ought to weigh
>in under 300 pounds stripped according to
>Bolger. This allows the "beachcruiser" to be
>realized. With the aid of air rollers or a
>dolly she could be launched and landed on beach.
>
>The wide high deck makes it almost impossible to
>capsized her. Not quite impossible, but you
>have to reach far for a scenario that would do
>it. The low deck aft is for boarding. The mast
>and watertight anchor well can be reached while
>standing hip-deep in the boat and the mast can
>be lowered from the cockpit without special
>gear.
>
>The cockpit sole is flat and clear, 10'4"x4'6"
>on which to lay down air mattresses. A couple
>of folding chairs would be pleasant at times.
>For bad weather, or to get out of the sunshine,
>a Maine fisherman-style spray hood sets up in a
>couple of minutes and takes down even faster
>with ridgepole and crotch brace storing neatly
>out of the way.
>
>Completed plans are available...from Dynamite
>Payson....
>
>[end quote]
>
>Attached is a picture of a model, built by
>Payson I imagine.
>
>Now, my question is, "Why haven't I ever heard
>anyone discussing this design before--pros,
>cons, strengths, weaknesses?"
>
>John Tuma (I heard you built one), are you out
>there?
>
>PCB&F, anything to add?
>
>Regards to all,
>
>Matthew
>
>--
>Matthew Long & Agnès Peillet
>Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts, USA
>Visit our homepage & the Bolger Brick "Tetard"
>pages!
>http://www.gis.net/~owlnmole
>
>
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Howdy Matthew;
I have recently posted the group to ask about a seaworthy design. This
thread is going off to discuss wind. I was tempted to note that of all
Bolger designs I know about I am most like Ataraxia and SeaBird. I have only
looked at your model and the jpg of the catfish plan at Dynamite Payson's
site, but Catfish looks GREAT.
Regards
Meyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Long & Agnès Peillet [mailto:owlnmole@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 11:43 AM
To:bolger@...
Subject: [bolger] Catfish Beachcruiser
Eureka!
[Comments by H. H. Payson in MESSING ABOUT IN
BOATS Vol. 11, Issue 8, p. 21]
[quote]
CATFISH 15 BEACHCRUISER
Filling the gap between the highly successful
Chebacco 20 and 12' Bobcat comes the Catfish 15
Beachcruiser from the drawing board of Phil
Bolger by way of my Instant Boat Plans.
Built from plywood, the Catfish ought to weigh
in under 300 pounds stripped according to
Bolger. This allows the "beachcruiser" to be
realized. With the aid of air rollers or a
dolly she could be launched and landed on beach.
The wide high deck makes it almost impossible to
capsized her. Not quite impossible, but you
have to reach far for a scenario that would do
it. The low deck aft is for boarding. The mast
and watertight anchor well can be reached while
standing hip-deep in the boat and the mast can
be lowered from the cockpit without special
gear.
The cockpit sole is flat and clear, 10'4"x4'6"
on which to lay down air mattresses. A couple
of folding chairs would be pleasant at times.
For bad weather, or to get out of the sunshine,
a Maine fisherman-style spray hood sets up in a
couple of minutes and takes down even faster
with ridgepole and crotch brace storing neatly
out of the way.
Completed plans are available...from Dynamite
Payson....
[end quote]
Attached is a picture of a model, built by
Payson I imagine.
Now, my question is, "Why haven't I ever heard
anyone discussing this design before--pros,
cons, strengths, weaknesses?"
John Tuma (I heard you built one), are you out
there?
PCB&F, anything to add?
Regards to all,
Matthew
--
Matthew Long & Agnès Peillet
Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts, USA
Visit our homepage & the Bolger Brick "Tetard"
pages!
http://www.gis.net/~owlnmole
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I have recently posted the group to ask about a seaworthy design. This
thread is going off to discuss wind. I was tempted to note that of all
Bolger designs I know about I am most like Ataraxia and SeaBird. I have only
looked at your model and the jpg of the catfish plan at Dynamite Payson's
site, but Catfish looks GREAT.
Regards
Meyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Long & Agnès Peillet [mailto:owlnmole@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 11:43 AM
To:bolger@...
Subject: [bolger] Catfish Beachcruiser
Eureka!
[Comments by H. H. Payson in MESSING ABOUT IN
BOATS Vol. 11, Issue 8, p. 21]
[quote]
CATFISH 15 BEACHCRUISER
Filling the gap between the highly successful
Chebacco 20 and 12' Bobcat comes the Catfish 15
Beachcruiser from the drawing board of Phil
Bolger by way of my Instant Boat Plans.
Built from plywood, the Catfish ought to weigh
in under 300 pounds stripped according to
Bolger. This allows the "beachcruiser" to be
realized. With the aid of air rollers or a
dolly she could be launched and landed on beach.
The wide high deck makes it almost impossible to
capsized her. Not quite impossible, but you
have to reach far for a scenario that would do
it. The low deck aft is for boarding. The mast
and watertight anchor well can be reached while
standing hip-deep in the boat and the mast can
be lowered from the cockpit without special
gear.
The cockpit sole is flat and clear, 10'4"x4'6"
on which to lay down air mattresses. A couple
of folding chairs would be pleasant at times.
For bad weather, or to get out of the sunshine,
a Maine fisherman-style spray hood sets up in a
couple of minutes and takes down even faster
with ridgepole and crotch brace storing neatly
out of the way.
Completed plans are available...from Dynamite
Payson....
[end quote]
Attached is a picture of a model, built by
Payson I imagine.
Now, my question is, "Why haven't I ever heard
anyone discussing this design before--pros,
cons, strengths, weaknesses?"
John Tuma (I heard you built one), are you out
there?
PCB&F, anything to add?
Regards to all,
Matthew
--
Matthew Long & Agnès Peillet
Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts, USA
Visit our homepage & the Bolger Brick "Tetard"
pages!
http://www.gis.net/~owlnmole
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[Comments by H. H. Payson in MESSING ABOUT IN
BOATS Vol. 11, Issue 8, p. 21]
[quote]
CATFISH 15 BEACHCRUISER
Filling the gap between the highly successful
Chebacco 20 and 12' Bobcat comes the Catfish 15
Beachcruiser from the drawing board of Phil
Bolger by way of my Instant Boat Plans.
Built from plywood, the Catfish ought to weigh
in under 300 pounds stripped according to
Bolger. This allows the "beachcruiser" to be
realized. With the aid of air rollers or a
dolly she could be launched and landed on beach.
The wide high deck makes it almost impossible to
capsized her. Not quite impossible, but you
have to reach far for a scenario that would do
it. The low deck aft is for boarding. The mast
and watertight anchor well can be reached while
standing hip-deep in the boat and the mast can
be lowered from the cockpit without special
gear.
The cockpit sole is flat and clear, 10'4"x4'6"
on which to lay down air mattresses. A couple
of folding chairs would be pleasant at times.
For bad weather, or to get out of the sunshine,
a Maine fisherman-style spray hood sets up in a
couple of minutes and takes down even faster
with ridgepole and crotch brace storing neatly
out of the way.
Completed plans are available...from Dynamite
Payson....
[end quote]
Attached is a picture of a model, built by
Payson I imagine.
Now, my question is, "Why haven't I ever heard
anyone discussing this design before--pros,
cons, strengths, weaknesses?"
John Tuma (I heard you built one), are you out
there?
PCB&F, anything to add?
Regards to all,
Matthew
--
Matthew Long & Agnès Peillet
Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts, USA
Visit our homepage & the Bolger Brick "Tetard"
pages!
http://www.gis.net/~owlnmole
[Comments by H. H. Payson in MESSING ABOUT IN
BOATS Vol. 11, Issue 8, p. 21]
[quote]
CATFISH 15 BEACHCRUISER
Filling the gap between the highly successful
Chebacco 20 and 12' Bobcat comes the Catfish 15
Beachcruiser from the drawing board of Phil
Bolger by way of my Instant Boat Plans.
Built from plywood, the Catfish ought to weigh
in under 300 pounds stripped according to
Bolger. This allows the "beachcruiser" to be
realized. With the aid of air rollers or a
dolly she could be launched and landed on beach.
The wide high deck makes it almost impossible to
capsized her. Not quite impossible, but you
have to reach far for a scenario that would do
it. The low deck aft is for boarding. The mast
and watertight anchor well can be reached while
standing hip-deep in the boat and the mast can
be lowered from the cockpit without special
gear.
The cockpit sole is flat and clear, 10'4"x4'6"
on which to lay down air mattresses. A couple
of folding chairs would be pleasant at times.
For bad weather, or to get out of the sunshine,
a Maine fisherman-style spray hood sets up in a
couple of minutes and takes down even faster
with ridgepole and crotch brace storing neatly
out of the way.
Completed plans are available...from Dynamite
Payson....
[end quote]
Attached is a picture of a model, built by
Payson I imagine.
Now, my question is, "Why haven't I ever heard
anyone discussing this design before--pros,
cons, strengths, weaknesses?"
John Tuma (I heard you built one), are you out
there?
PCB&F, anything to add?
Regards to all,
Matthew
--
Matthew Long & Agnès Peillet
Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts, USA
Visit our homepage & the Bolger Brick "Tetard"
pages!
http://www.gis.net/~owlnmole