RE: [bolger] Re: A RELEVENT QUESTION FOR MIKE STOCKSTILL. ans= SHINE
Dave,
Twist my arm! I never did get out there this summer to test the waters in
my kayak, but perhaps we could set something up this time around. I have no
plans to leave the Cape over the long weekend, so let me know what works!
Paul
Twist my arm! I never did get out there this summer to test the waters in
my kayak, but perhaps we could set something up this time around. I have no
plans to leave the Cape over the long weekend, so let me know what works!
Paul
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> Subject: [bolger] Re: A RELEVENT QUESTION FOR MIKE STOCKSTILL. ans=
> SHINE
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> Paul,
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> Are you up for a fall Micro cruise. Would love to explore Pleasant
> Bay on Columbus Day!
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> David Jost
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Paul,
Are you up for a fall Micro cruise. Would love to explore Pleasant
Bay on Columbus Day!
David Jost
Are you up for a fall Micro cruise. Would love to explore Pleasant
Bay on Columbus Day!
David Jost
--- "mikestockstill" wrote:
I did, and I have been plagued with
non-stop day-dreaming ever since.
are going to live on the
*real* cheap, good home cooking
is essential! BADGER's galley
beats out AS-29 in my opinion.
I hope Shine attempts to emulate
BADGER's layout for cooking.
I am thrilled to hear of Shine,
as I don't know that Bolger has
yet designed a boat equivalent
to Badger's [inside layout].
> read "Voyaging on a Small Income" by Annie Hill.WARNING, do NOT read that book!
I did, and I have been plagued with
non-stop day-dreaming ever since.
> BADGER is a great designAnnie Hil argues that if you
are going to live on the
*real* cheap, good home cooking
is essential! BADGER's galley
beats out AS-29 in my opinion.
I hope Shine attempts to emulate
BADGER's layout for cooking.
I am thrilled to hear of Shine,
as I don't know that Bolger has
yet designed a boat equivalent
to Badger's [inside layout].
Wow, Mike, great news.
I got into this in the first place because of Annie Hill's book. The Badger
bug bit me badly, and the idea of building a plywood boat to sail away from
it all had (and still has) tremendous appeal. Lack of funds has kept me
landbound and working, but we bought a house with a flat, accessible
backyard for an eventual large boatbuilding project, and to accrue equity to
cash in if the big day ever arrives. Meanwhile I am building a Micro as
practice both for building and cruising, and also as a relatively
inexpensive test to see if I could develop warm and fuzzy feelings toward a
Bolger box, thinking they were a logical alternative to a deep-draft Benford
Dory. A Bolgerized Badger concept boat could be just what I've been waiting
for.
Am curious about what rig he has in mind. The mention of being able to
control everything from the cockpit tells me it's probably some variation on
the chinese theme. Two masts? I thought Bolger was philosophically opposed
to this and pushed a single, larger sail; but I welcome the compromise if he
is indeed designing something similar to Badger; Annie Hill's arguments for
the manageability and safety of a junk schooner made alot of sense to me
(and to my petite wife), and lends itself to tabernacles much better than
one giant mast. I wonder about headroom - one thing I really liked about
Badger is walking headroom almost everywhere. Bolger almost always seems to
sacrifice headroom for other seakeeping qualities... Chuck Merrill was
working on an 'improvement' to the Benford Dory, his Warlock design; don't
think it was ever finished though. It was his statements about micro,
together with Peter Lenihan's romantic accounts of adventures in Lestat,
that sold me on the micro as a first attempt, but the dream of a big boat
won't go away.
I'll be an eager onlooker when the plans are finally unveiled! Meanwhile,
thankfully progress on my Micro has finally resumed. Family medical problems
and a bad back made spring and summer slip away, but we seem to be past that
finally. Feels great to be building again in the cooler fall weather, am
hoping to have the hull glassed, flipped, and decked in time to liberate the
garage before the snow flies. A new design could provide a little motivation
to keep things moving!
thanks for sharing the info, and keep us posted!
Paul Lefebvre
I got into this in the first place because of Annie Hill's book. The Badger
bug bit me badly, and the idea of building a plywood boat to sail away from
it all had (and still has) tremendous appeal. Lack of funds has kept me
landbound and working, but we bought a house with a flat, accessible
backyard for an eventual large boatbuilding project, and to accrue equity to
cash in if the big day ever arrives. Meanwhile I am building a Micro as
practice both for building and cruising, and also as a relatively
inexpensive test to see if I could develop warm and fuzzy feelings toward a
Bolger box, thinking they were a logical alternative to a deep-draft Benford
Dory. A Bolgerized Badger concept boat could be just what I've been waiting
for.
Am curious about what rig he has in mind. The mention of being able to
control everything from the cockpit tells me it's probably some variation on
the chinese theme. Two masts? I thought Bolger was philosophically opposed
to this and pushed a single, larger sail; but I welcome the compromise if he
is indeed designing something similar to Badger; Annie Hill's arguments for
the manageability and safety of a junk schooner made alot of sense to me
(and to my petite wife), and lends itself to tabernacles much better than
one giant mast. I wonder about headroom - one thing I really liked about
Badger is walking headroom almost everywhere. Bolger almost always seems to
sacrifice headroom for other seakeeping qualities... Chuck Merrill was
working on an 'improvement' to the Benford Dory, his Warlock design; don't
think it was ever finished though. It was his statements about micro,
together with Peter Lenihan's romantic accounts of adventures in Lestat,
that sold me on the micro as a first attempt, but the dream of a big boat
won't go away.
I'll be an eager onlooker when the plans are finally unveiled! Meanwhile,
thankfully progress on my Micro has finally resumed. Family medical problems
and a bad back made spring and summer slip away, but we seem to be past that
finally. Feels great to be building again in the cooler fall weather, am
hoping to have the hull glassed, flipped, and decked in time to liberate the
garage before the snow flies. A new design could provide a little motivation
to keep things moving!
thanks for sharing the info, and keep us posted!
Paul Lefebvre
Hi -
For background into my motivation for requesting this design,
read "Voyaging on a Small Income" by Annie Hill.
(www.tillerbooks.com) The Hills have the cruising on a budget gig
perfected. This book is worth the investment. "Brazil and Beyond"
makes great reading too. And if you are lucky enough to run across a
copy of "Sailing the Farm" by Ken Neumeyer, grab it - it has been out
of print for too long.
Originally I approached Phil & Susanne with request for a boat that
can go everywhere BADGER can go, and more. (BADGER is constrained by
nearly 5 foot draft and masts that cannot be lowered without the
assistance of a crane.) BADGER is a great design - but I like
gunkholing, and I want to be able to go under bridges in canals, so
it is not the boat for me.
I spent time researching and visiting the Advance Sharpie series
boats.
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/as19/
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/as29/
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/as39/
I asked them (about 3 years ago I think) about beefing up an AS29 for
serious ocean cruising, liveaboard, 4 season. Since AS29 was
originally designed for 'light coastal cruising' they decided that it
would be best to start from scratch on a design that can push the
envelope that BADGER created. Oh, and there has to be room for my
acoustic bass too - not an afterthought on any bass. The boat needed
to have a pilot house for my hair challenged head. They came up with
a proposal for new design, AS31 or AS32 - the length is never sure
until the plans are inked. Home buildable, short enough to operate
on a limited income, safe: can operate everything from hatches.
Later in the iteration stage, I decided that I want to have the
flexibility of an extra cabin, and they drew SHINE, in the 38-39 foot
neighborhood. They are still tweaking the particulars, so the length
at last measure is just under 41 feet.
The best way to visualize it: take a Tahiti, replace the engine room
with an aft cabin, tack on an outboard (ala Topaz), and add a pair of
tabernacled masts, as on BADGER.
Last I heard, somebody is interested in financing completion of the
design of the shorter version (if you are on here, let me know
offline).
Please don't pummel them with inquiries. Believe me, when the
designs are ready we will not keep it a secret. I plan on webbing
the progress of SHINE and keeping this group posted.
That is the scoop! And thanks for asking.
Mike
For background into my motivation for requesting this design,
read "Voyaging on a Small Income" by Annie Hill.
(www.tillerbooks.com) The Hills have the cruising on a budget gig
perfected. This book is worth the investment. "Brazil and Beyond"
makes great reading too. And if you are lucky enough to run across a
copy of "Sailing the Farm" by Ken Neumeyer, grab it - it has been out
of print for too long.
Originally I approached Phil & Susanne with request for a boat that
can go everywhere BADGER can go, and more. (BADGER is constrained by
nearly 5 foot draft and masts that cannot be lowered without the
assistance of a crane.) BADGER is a great design - but I like
gunkholing, and I want to be able to go under bridges in canals, so
it is not the boat for me.
I spent time researching and visiting the Advance Sharpie series
boats.
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/as19/
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/as29/
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/as39/
I asked them (about 3 years ago I think) about beefing up an AS29 for
serious ocean cruising, liveaboard, 4 season. Since AS29 was
originally designed for 'light coastal cruising' they decided that it
would be best to start from scratch on a design that can push the
envelope that BADGER created. Oh, and there has to be room for my
acoustic bass too - not an afterthought on any bass. The boat needed
to have a pilot house for my hair challenged head. They came up with
a proposal for new design, AS31 or AS32 - the length is never sure
until the plans are inked. Home buildable, short enough to operate
on a limited income, safe: can operate everything from hatches.
Later in the iteration stage, I decided that I want to have the
flexibility of an extra cabin, and they drew SHINE, in the 38-39 foot
neighborhood. They are still tweaking the particulars, so the length
at last measure is just under 41 feet.
The best way to visualize it: take a Tahiti, replace the engine room
with an aft cabin, tack on an outboard (ala Topaz), and add a pair of
tabernacled masts, as on BADGER.
Last I heard, somebody is interested in financing completion of the
design of the shorter version (if you are on here, let me know
offline).
Please don't pummel them with inquiries. Believe me, when the
designs are ready we will not keep it a secret. I plan on webbing
the progress of SHINE and keeping this group posted.
That is the scoop! And thanks for asking.
Mike
--- In bolger@y..., "John Cupp" <caj@k...> wrote:
> Now it has come to my attention and some of the other members that
> Mike has commissioned a thirty eight foot design by PB&F. This is
> listed in the new MAIB by Mr. Bolger himself. So Mike can you give
us
> any parameters for your new boat? We are all ears, if you can
please
> give us some insight?
>
> Thank You,
>
> John
Mike,
Within a seperate category of relevant question, I wonder whether you
have any further experience to share on the Sailrite machine, and any
home sailmaking experiences to share.
Thomas
Within a seperate category of relevant question, I wonder whether you
have any further experience to share on the Sailrite machine, and any
home sailmaking experiences to share.
Thomas
Mike on page 27 PB&F in the first article I look at when I open the
MAIB, Bolger On Design, Upgraded Martha Jane, Design #519. At the
bottom says,
"Stockstill's Martha Jane was built as designed as a serious
demonstration of his motivation to build a much larger liveaboard
cruiser. He paid particular attention to such trailer sailor
important details as reliable neat rigging and sail covers for rapid
unfolding and folding of her rig after a high speed interstate dash,
better water ballast plumbing than our proposal, well executed
leeboard mechanics, clean glass installation and as good practice for
the big live aboard challenge, a first class electrical panel. We are
working on a 38'-footer for him and he is eager to begun construction
now".
I left in all the spelling problems and copied verbatim. It seems
you have plans that Phil has let out of the bag. Can you elaborate
and at least tell us the proposed name for the new boat? or are you
changing a pre-existing design to fit your needs? I realize that you
are not under any obligation to tell us and if I am bothering you
unnecessarily or prodding into private matters please tell me and I
will cease asking you at once.
Thank You,
John
MAIB, Bolger On Design, Upgraded Martha Jane, Design #519. At the
bottom says,
"Stockstill's Martha Jane was built as designed as a serious
demonstration of his motivation to build a much larger liveaboard
cruiser. He paid particular attention to such trailer sailor
important details as reliable neat rigging and sail covers for rapid
unfolding and folding of her rig after a high speed interstate dash,
better water ballast plumbing than our proposal, well executed
leeboard mechanics, clean glass installation and as good practice for
the big live aboard challenge, a first class electrical panel. We are
working on a 38'-footer for him and he is eager to begun construction
now".
I left in all the spelling problems and copied verbatim. It seems
you have plans that Phil has let out of the bag. Can you elaborate
and at least tell us the proposed name for the new boat? or are you
changing a pre-existing design to fit your needs? I realize that you
are not under any obligation to tell us and if I am bothering you
unnecessarily or prodding into private matters please tell me and I
will cease asking you at once.
Thank You,
John
--- In bolger@y..., "mikestockstill" <mkstocks@b...> wrote:
> Hi -
>
> I have not seen the MAIB yet. What does it say?
>
> tks.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "John Cupp" <caj@k...> wrote:
> > Now it has come to my attention and some of the other members
that
> > Mike has commissioned a thirty eight foot design by PB&F. This is
> > listed in the new MAIB by Mr. Bolger himself. So Mike can you
give
> us
> > any parameters for your new boat? We are all ears, if you can
> please
> > give us some insight?
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > John
Hi -
I have not seen the MAIB yet. What does it say?
tks.
Mike
I have not seen the MAIB yet. What does it say?
tks.
Mike
--- In bolger@y..., "John Cupp" <caj@k...> wrote:
> Now it has come to my attention and some of the other members that
> Mike has commissioned a thirty eight foot design by PB&F. This is
> listed in the new MAIB by Mr. Bolger himself. So Mike can you give
us
> any parameters for your new boat? We are all ears, if you can
please
> give us some insight?
>
> Thank You,
>
> John
Now it has come to my attention and some of the other members that
Mike has commissioned a thirty eight foot design by PB&F. This is
listed in the new MAIB by Mr. Bolger himself. So Mike can you give us
any parameters for your new boat? We are all ears, if you can please
give us some insight?
Thank You,
John
Mike has commissioned a thirty eight foot design by PB&F. This is
listed in the new MAIB by Mr. Bolger himself. So Mike can you give us
any parameters for your new boat? We are all ears, if you can please
give us some insight?
Thank You,
John