Re: How long to build the Micro?
Yes, I like it for its hardness. The spars are subject to a lot of
abrasion, and the polyurethane has held up well over the road, and on
the sea. I will sand and recoat annually. I think that the idea of
a multi-season coating on wood is a myth.
david jost
its also more elastic.
abrasion, and the polyurethane has held up well over the road, and on
the sea. I will sand and recoat annually. I think that the idea of
a multi-season coating on wood is a myth.
david jost
> Do you think polyurethane is really better than spar varnish withUV filtering? Both will fail in time and varnish is easier to redo,
its also more elastic.
> CCG
>
On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 10:50 AM, Bruce Hector wrote:
hal
> Oh Peter, don't be silly. The pool table will form a weathertightWatch the pockets.
> deck for the "Brick" I'm building as a tender....
hal
--- In bolger@y..., "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
things deamed most necessary for ones human comfort and the thought
of subjecting the works to that little cutey,Micro Riff Raff,the
lights suddenly dimmed around here and my bosses voice faded into
white noise as the thought occured to me that this was a job for;
Breakdown-Trailerable-No-Roads-Are-Too-Narrow-Don't-Look-Left-Or-
Right CIVILIAN AIRCRAFT CARRIER.YES!! You reallly do need one of
these to accommadate the great hoards of"the unwashed" all willing to
liberate you of some substantial liquid ballast while enjoying a
stiff game of skittles on the flight deck as the shit hawks circle
over head waiting to let loose with their own particular form of
missles.
I had better stop before I go crazy with wilder,much
wilder,thoughts!!
It's all your fault Bruce......please do not encourage me!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
> Oh Peter, don't be silly. The pool table will form a weathertightOOOPS! I wasn't thinking right. Upon reviewing the wonderful list of
> deck for the "Brick" I'm building as a tender....
things deamed most necessary for ones human comfort and the thought
of subjecting the works to that little cutey,Micro Riff Raff,the
lights suddenly dimmed around here and my bosses voice faded into
white noise as the thought occured to me that this was a job for;
Breakdown-Trailerable-No-Roads-Are-Too-Narrow-Don't-Look-Left-Or-
Right CIVILIAN AIRCRAFT CARRIER.YES!! You reallly do need one of
these to accommadate the great hoards of"the unwashed" all willing to
liberate you of some substantial liquid ballast while enjoying a
stiff game of skittles on the flight deck as the shit hawks circle
over head waiting to let loose with their own particular form of
missles.
I had better stop before I go crazy with wilder,much
wilder,thoughts!!
It's all your fault Bruce......please do not encourage me!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Oh Peter, don't be silly. The pool table will form a weathertight
deck for the "Brick" I'm building as a tender....
deck for the "Brick" I'm building as a tender....
Actually one of the best homebuilt A/Cs that I have seen/used us nothing
more that a cooler full of ice with a couple of holes cut in the lid and a
small fan forcing air across the ice. Works real well for small areas.
I build one for using while flying in my Cessna, and it worked out well as
long as I channeled the air onto me, but I cannot say if cooled the entire
cabin.
At 02:54 PM 9/27/2002 +0000, you wrote:
more that a cooler full of ice with a couple of holes cut in the lid and a
small fan forcing air across the ice. Works real well for small areas.
I build one for using while flying in my Cessna, and it worked out well as
long as I channeled the air onto me, but I cannot say if cooled the entire
cabin.
At 02:54 PM 9/27/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>Ok, here's an idea just for Bruce, too crazy for anyone else. Probably
>wouldn't work for tropics anyway, tho it ought to be ideal with
>Canadian water temps:
>
>automotive radiator, two long hoses, a pump, and a quiet fan. Voila,
>low power AC!
>--- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> > Bruce,
> > Don't even consider anything until you have the pool table in
> > place.Everything will be much easier to figure out
> > afterward,especially the dryer and fridge location.Can never have
>too
> > many cold beers in reserve........:-D
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Peter Lenihan,who spent many a night under the stars when the going
> > got too hot for the cabin thinking that a closer look at possible
> > cockpit layouts for comfort are in order,from the banks of the
>mighty
> > St.Lawrence,aways downhill from Kingston.......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Washer? dryer? pressure washer? stereo? ice maker? ...
>
>
>
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Ok, here's an idea just for Bruce, too crazy for anyone else. Probably
wouldn't work for tropics anyway, tho it ought to be ideal with
Canadian water temps:
automotive radiator, two long hoses, a pump, and a quiet fan. Voila,
low power AC!
wouldn't work for tropics anyway, tho it ought to be ideal with
Canadian water temps:
automotive radiator, two long hoses, a pump, and a quiet fan. Voila,
low power AC!
--- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> Bruce,
> Don't even consider anything until you have the pool table in
> place.Everything will be much easier to figure out
> afterward,especially the dryer and fridge location.Can never have
too
> many cold beers in reserve........:-D
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,who spent many a night under the stars when the going
> got too hot for the cabin thinking that a closer look at possible
> cockpit layouts for comfort are in order,from the banks of the
mighty
> St.Lawrence,aways downhill from Kingston.......
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Washer? dryer? pressure washer? stereo? ice maker? ...
From what I've read the Micro should be more than capable of
the journey if I sailed to Honduras from Texas. But I've made that
trip in two other small boats over the years and it's pretty tedious
until you reach Yucatan. After I've built the boat and sea tested it
here in the Pacific I'll decide whether to trailer it to Galveston and
sail, or take it to Gulfport MS and stick it into a container.
Because the Micro is so small there's also the Pacific alternative
-- sailing down the west coast to the Gulf of Fonseca, pulling the
boat at Punta Raton , where I was a Peace Corps Volunteer a
couple decades ago, then hiring a truck to haul it across the
country. But I hesitate to speculate much until I know what kind
of seas it can sail in.
Ben
the journey if I sailed to Honduras from Texas. But I've made that
trip in two other small boats over the years and it's pretty tedious
until you reach Yucatan. After I've built the boat and sea tested it
here in the Pacific I'll decide whether to trailer it to Galveston and
sail, or take it to Gulfport MS and stick it into a container.
Because the Micro is so small there's also the Pacific alternative
-- sailing down the west coast to the Gulf of Fonseca, pulling the
boat at Punta Raton , where I was a Peace Corps Volunteer a
couple decades ago, then hiring a truck to haul it across the
country. But I hesitate to speculate much until I know what kind
of seas it can sail in.
Ben
--- In bolger@y..., Chance Curtis <sneakeasy2002@y...> wrote:
>
> Are your going to sail your micro to Central America?
Bruce,
Don't even consider anything until you have the pool table in
place.Everything will be much easier to figure out
afterward,especially the dryer and fridge location.Can never have too
many cold beers in reserve........:-D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who spent many a night under the stars when the going
got too hot for the cabin thinking that a closer look at possible
cockpit layouts for comfort are in order,from the banks of the mighty
St.Lawrence,aways downhill from Kingston.......
Don't even consider anything until you have the pool table in
place.Everything will be much easier to figure out
afterward,especially the dryer and fridge location.Can never have too
many cold beers in reserve........:-D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who spent many a night under the stars when the going
got too hot for the cabin thinking that a closer look at possible
cockpit layouts for comfort are in order,from the banks of the mighty
St.Lawrence,aways downhill from Kingston.......
--- In bolger@y..., "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
>
> Washer? dryer? pressure washer? stereo? ice maker? ...
> Do you think polyurethane is really better than spar varnish with UVfiltering? Both will fail in time and varnish is easier to redo, its also
more elastic.
> CCGI would be interested in this evaluation too. I used both on the front part
of the Wyo only because spar varnish is hard to find. I had a partial can
and used it up on one side and got Varathane for the other side. I liked
the fast drying time and the sheen but DON'T sand it, even if the can says
so! It leaves scratches and you have to sand it all off. I then put 6
coats on in one day as it dries in less than 2 hours with no sanding
inbetween. But, does anyone know how long it last? It supposed to be much
better than varnish but....
Jeff
Everyone vetoed a "Birdwatcher" style slot top for my little Micro
Riff-Raff for strength and safety reasons. But it sure has been a hot
summer here, I couldn't sleep except right under an A/C unit. I
started looking at the cutout for the dorade vent in the second
bulkhead and the size of my new little air conditioner in the guest
bedroom at home, hmmmmm....
If I just made it about 2" bigger all around, and put a l'il Honda
generator in the stern well.....
Would this make Riff-Raff the world's smallest boat with 110 volt ac
system and central air? Where would I put the fridge? Oh yes, a
little bar fridge under the companionway would work. The TV?, hung
from the cabin roof, of course. The computer? the heater? the
dehumidifyer? That Micro Navigator version is starting to look good,
gonna need the extra space...
Washer? dryer? pressure washer? stereo? ice maker? ...
Riff-Raff for strength and safety reasons. But it sure has been a hot
summer here, I couldn't sleep except right under an A/C unit. I
started looking at the cutout for the dorade vent in the second
bulkhead and the size of my new little air conditioner in the guest
bedroom at home, hmmmmm....
If I just made it about 2" bigger all around, and put a l'il Honda
generator in the stern well.....
Would this make Riff-Raff the world's smallest boat with 110 volt ac
system and central air? Where would I put the fridge? Oh yes, a
little bar fridge under the companionway would work. The TV?, hung
from the cabin roof, of course. The computer? the heater? the
dehumidifyer? That Micro Navigator version is starting to look good,
gonna need the extra space...
Washer? dryer? pressure washer? stereo? ice maker? ...
Are your going to sail your micro to Central America?
CCG
betrumble wrote:LOL. Oh boy do I ever understand the 200 hours studying plans,
asking questions, visiting boats, and garage sailing. I'm sure I'll
put in that! My "actual construction time" concerns had to do with
how long I could get away with tying up my shop, and how many
Florida football games am I going to watch on tape instead of in
real time if I start building in October? I can see your point
concerning the cabin fitting and the roof. The only Micro I've
actually seen looked like the roof would have to come off to do
much serious work inside.
Ben
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betrumble wrote:LOL. Oh boy do I ever understand the 200 hours studying plans,
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much serious work inside.
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Do you think polyurethane is really better than spar varnish with UV filtering? Both will fail in time and varnish is easier to redo, its also more elastic.
CCG
dnjost wrote:I am in the 600-800 hour range. Mostly because I glassed every
exposed corner and applied 7 coats of polyurethane on the spars. The
results are worth every hour. But, sanding and fairing is a lot of
long hard hours. I also must have about 60 hours of time undoing
things that I screwed up!
I read with interest the thread on rot in the Micro's keel area. It
is worth the time to use a more traditional approach (see peter's
boat) to eliminate these rot pockets. I put on 4 coats of epoxy
prior to fasting the units together, but I am not sure that it is
100% bullet proof.
David Jost
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dnjost wrote:I am in the 600-800 hour range. Mostly because I glassed every
exposed corner and applied 7 coats of polyurethane on the spars. The
results are worth every hour. But, sanding and fairing is a lot of
long hard hours. I also must have about 60 hours of time undoing
things that I screwed up!
I read with interest the thread on rot in the Micro's keel area. It
is worth the time to use a more traditional approach (see peter's
boat) to eliminate these rot pockets. I put on 4 coats of epoxy
prior to fasting the units together, but I am not sure that it is
100% bullet proof.
David Jost
> > I have well over 200 hours in pondering plans, guessing what todo
> > next, staring at her, garage sailing with a brewski in hand,generally
> > travelling to see othe Micronauts and their projects and
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> > Full time, with a helper? Two weeks should do it. But I couldn't,
> I'd
> > cheat and take a trip to Tampa to see another one, of traipse off
> to
> > a boat show, or go boating in one of my other craft.
> >
> > Have at 'er.
> >
> > Bruce Hector
> > www.brucesboats.com
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What country are you going to? Will you have access to tropical woods like cocobolo? I own 3 chainsaws :)
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Roger S wrote:I would bet that you could hire some good help in Central America pretty
cheap. It might cut the construction time by as much as a third.
Roger S
. If the construction time is reasonable I
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Roger S wrote:I would bet that you could hire some good help in Central America pretty
cheap. It might cut the construction time by as much as a third.
Roger S
. If the construction time is reasonable I
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> me?
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> Thanks!
>
> Ben
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Fan seems like good idea, especially if you can set one up tightly
covering one opening so there is no recirculation around it so you can
change the air in the cabin often. In college we used to have these
tiny little sleeping areas with doors, 4'X 3'X 7' or so. With shut
doors and an opening at each end a muffin fan in one of the openings
really helped on hot nights.
covering one opening so there is no recirculation around it so you can
change the air in the cabin often. In college we used to have these
tiny little sleeping areas with doors, 4'X 3'X 7' or so. With shut
doors and an opening at each end a muffin fan in one of the openings
really helped on hot nights.
--- In bolger@y..., "betrumble" <betrumble@y...> wrote:
> The cabin should be okay for the ocassional overnight with a 12
> volt fan and everything open. I'll use it to overnight along the
> Mosquito Coast in the lagoons near the Rio Platano river. Since
> I have yet to sail a Micro I'm not sure about taking it out across
26
> miles of water to the Bay Islands. I guess I'll see after I
actually
> build the boat and sail the heck out of it this winter here on
> Monterey Bay and down the coast along Big Sur. The ocean
> sailing off Big Sur is a pretty good test.
snip
The cabin should be okay for the ocassional overnight with a 12
volt fan and everything open. I'll use it to overnight along the
Mosquito Coast in the lagoons near the Rio Platano river. Since
I have yet to sail a Micro I'm not sure about taking it out across 26
miles of water to the Bay Islands. I guess I'll see after I actually
build the boat and sail the heck out of it this winter here on
Monterey Bay and down the coast along Big Sur. The ocean
sailing off Big Sur is a pretty good test.
volt fan and everything open. I'll use it to overnight along the
Mosquito Coast in the lagoons near the Rio Platano river. Since
I have yet to sail a Micro I'm not sure about taking it out across 26
miles of water to the Bay Islands. I guess I'll see after I actually
build the boat and sail the heck out of it this winter here on
Monterey Bay and down the coast along Big Sur. The ocean
sailing off Big Sur is a pretty good test.
--- In bolger@y..., "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
> Would Micro's cabin be tolerable in really hot weather? Maybe
> something more open is needed, or are you going to go out
overnight on
Would Micro's cabin be tolerable in really hot weather? Maybe
something more open is needed, or are you going to go out overnight on
the ocean much?
something more open is needed, or are you going to go out overnight on
the ocean much?
--- In bolger@y..., "betrumble" <betrumble@y...> wrote:
> Labor is cheap in Trujillo, but materials are tough to find and
> transportation costs are killers. That, and I'd rather work in 70
> degree weather in Montery rather than 90 weather in Honduras!
>
> Ben
>
snip
Honduran waters are tough on wooden boats, so it's "enjoy them
while they last." Though the sun can be pretty damaging to
fiberglass boats too. But it's storms beating up on boats while
they're moored that really kill 'em before their time. I had a 17'
Siren disappear entirely when Hurrican Mitch hit Trujillo.
Fortunately I was thousands of miles away.
Ben
while they last." Though the sun can be pretty damaging to
fiberglass boats too. But it's storms beating up on boats while
they're moored that really kill 'em before their time. I had a 17'
Siren disappear entirely when Hurrican Mitch hit Trujillo.
Fortunately I was thousands of miles away.
Ben
--- In bolger@y..., Chance Curtis <sneakeasy2002@y...> wrote:
>
> He has no choice but to do a good job. Dont forgrt he is taking
it to Central America. Those warm organic water are very
unforgiving on wood.
Labor is cheap in Trujillo, but materials are tough to find and
transportation costs are killers. That, and I'd rather work in 70
degree weather in Montery rather than 90 weather in Honduras!
Ben
transportation costs are killers. That, and I'd rather work in 70
degree weather in Montery rather than 90 weather in Honduras!
Ben
--- In bolger@y..., "Roger S" <roger99a@h...> wrote:
> I would bet that you could hire some good help in Central
America pretty
> cheap. It might cut the construction time by as much as a third.
>
> Roger S
>
>
>
> . If the construction time is reasonable I
> > would probably "have at it" for 8-10 hours a day until I'm done.
> > (And I'm sure that I would have the keel cast in a foundry.) I
> > guess I'm wondering, assuming that function is more
important
> > than beauty -- how long might that approach to construction
take
> > me?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Ben
The keel casting sounds pretty straight forward as you describe
it. Maybe I'll rethink the foundry and rent a smelter. My only real
casting experience was thirty years ago sand casting in high
school metal shop!
Ben
- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
it. Maybe I'll rethink the foundry and rent a smelter. My only real
casting experience was thirty years ago sand casting in high
school metal shop!
Ben
- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> --- "betrumble" <betrumble@y...> wrote:
> > (And I'm sure that I would
> > have the keel cast in a foundry.)
>
> That was my initial reaction too,
> but over time I found the urge
> to do it myself. I found casting
> my own keel to be fun, and easy.
I am in the 600-800 hour range. Mostly because I glassed every
exposed corner and applied 7 coats of polyurethane on the spars. The
results are worth every hour. But, sanding and fairing is a lot of
long hard hours. I also must have about 60 hours of time undoing
things that I screwed up!
I read with interest the thread on rot in the Micro's keel area. It
is worth the time to use a more traditional approach (see peter's
boat) to eliminate these rot pockets. I put on 4 coats of epoxy
prior to fasting the units together, but I am not sure that it is
100% bullet proof.
David Jost
exposed corner and applied 7 coats of polyurethane on the spars. The
results are worth every hour. But, sanding and fairing is a lot of
long hard hours. I also must have about 60 hours of time undoing
things that I screwed up!
I read with interest the thread on rot in the Micro's keel area. It
is worth the time to use a more traditional approach (see peter's
boat) to eliminate these rot pockets. I put on 4 coats of epoxy
prior to fasting the units together, but I am not sure that it is
100% bullet proof.
David Jost
> > I have well over 200 hours in pondering plans, guessing what todo
> > next, staring at her, garage sailing with a brewski in hand,generally
> > travelling to see othe Micronauts and their projects and
> > ignoring Riff-Raff for months at a time. I'm having a ball.
> >
> > Full time, with a helper? Two weeks should do it. But I couldn't,
> I'd
> > cheat and take a trip to Tampa to see another one, of traipse off
> to
> > a boat show, or go boating in one of my other craft.
> >
> > Have at 'er.
> >
> > Bruce Hector
> > www.brucesboats.com
I'm not. There are big trees too close to both our house and my
building area! Figures my project will be destroyed just as it gets to
painting stage. Maybe I should hold off sanding until Monday?
building area! Figures my project will be destroyed just as it gets to
painting stage. Maybe I should hold off sanding until Monday?
--- In bolger@y..., "dnjost" <djost@m...> wrote:
snip
> I am feeling smug today as my Micro is safe and dry as the
> remnants of Isadore will definately give the boats on the moorings a
> test tomorrow.
>
> David Jost
snip
I had no problem fitting the bunks through the hatch. It really will
accomodate the boards needed for the 6'6" bunks. I made templates
from cardboard first, then cut out one side on ply, flipped them for
the opposite side. They are quite comfortable.
David Jost
very part time. I
accomodate the boards needed for the 6'6" bunks. I made templates
from cardboard first, then cut out one side on ply, flipped them for
the opposite side. They are quite comfortable.
David Jost
very part time. I
> doubt I have 100 hours of actual work in her yet. I'm fitiing outthe
> interior prior to attaching the cabin roof, best done in that orderI'd
> to get 6'6" bunks into that 4 foot long cabin trunk. A point not
> considered in the building key.
>
> I have well over 200 hours in pondering plans, guessing what to do
> next, staring at her, garage sailing with a brewski in hand,
> travelling to see othe Micronauts and their projects and generally
> ignoring Riff-Raff for months at a time. I'm having a ball.
>
> Full time, with a helper? Two weeks should do it. But I couldn't,
> cheat and take a trip to Tampa to see another one, of traipse offto
> a boat show, or go boating in one of my other craft.
>
> Have at 'er.
>
> Bruce Hector
> www.brucesboats.com
Ben,
I took about 2 years to build my Micro. I worked mostly during
June, July, and August and had the hull constructed during the first
summer, then spent the second summer building the deck, glassing the
entire boat, building the hatch. I made the spars during the winter
of the first year. I also had the keel poured at a foundry in Rhode
Island, just pitched the mold today!
I am feeling smug today as my Micro is safe and dry as the
remnants of Isadore will definately give the boats on the moorings a
test tomorrow.
David Jost
What's confusing me is
I took about 2 years to build my Micro. I worked mostly during
June, July, and August and had the hull constructed during the first
summer, then spent the second summer building the deck, glassing the
entire boat, building the hatch. I made the spars during the winter
of the first year. I also had the keel poured at a foundry in Rhode
Island, just pitched the mold today!
I am feeling smug today as my Micro is safe and dry as the
remnants of Isadore will definately give the boats on the moorings a
test tomorrow.
David Jost
What's confusing me is
> trying to figure out just how long it takes to build a Micro? I've
> seen comments across the web that seem to range from 150
> hours to 700 hours. If the construction time is reasonable I
> would probably "have at it" for 8-10 hours a day until I'm done.
> (And I'm sure that I would have the keel cast in a foundry.) I
> guess I'm wondering, assuming that function is more important
> than beauty -- how long might that approach to construction take
> me?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben
--- "betrumble" <betrumble@y...> wrote:
but over time I found the urge
to do it myself. I found casting
my own keel to be fun, and easy.
I built the mold from cement
backer board used for construction
of shower stalls.
I used wheel weights, discards from
autoshops balancing tires.
For the crucible, I used a junk
five gallon steel paint bucket,
wrapped in pink fiberglass house
insulation. Balanced it on two rows
of cement bricks for a fire box.
I loaded the space between the
bricks with BBQ briquets, and
burned them extra hot by blowing
air on them with my shop vac
motor. Used about 50 pounds of
briquettes, re-stoking each of
three batches about four times.
After the lead melted, I shoveled
off the floating junk, and lifted
the lead out with a ladle and poured
it in the mold.
Mold 2 hrs, getting wheel weights
2 hrs, setup 2 hrs., meltdown 6 hrs,
cleanup 2 hrs.
Time 14 hrs, cost $50.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/micro/hour20/
I am hoping I can build my Micro
Navigator in 200 hrs or less. I
have about 25 hours into it so far
and after being derailed, I plan
to get back into it in October.
> (And I'm sure that I wouldThat was my initial reaction too,
> have the keel cast in a foundry.)
but over time I found the urge
to do it myself. I found casting
my own keel to be fun, and easy.
I built the mold from cement
backer board used for construction
of shower stalls.
I used wheel weights, discards from
autoshops balancing tires.
For the crucible, I used a junk
five gallon steel paint bucket,
wrapped in pink fiberglass house
insulation. Balanced it on two rows
of cement bricks for a fire box.
I loaded the space between the
bricks with BBQ briquets, and
burned them extra hot by blowing
air on them with my shop vac
motor. Used about 50 pounds of
briquettes, re-stoking each of
three batches about four times.
After the lead melted, I shoveled
off the floating junk, and lifted
the lead out with a ladle and poured
it in the mold.
Mold 2 hrs, getting wheel weights
2 hrs, setup 2 hrs., meltdown 6 hrs,
cleanup 2 hrs.
Time 14 hrs, cost $50.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/micro/hour20/
I am hoping I can build my Micro
Navigator in 200 hrs or less. I
have about 25 hours into it so far
and after being derailed, I plan
to get back into it in October.
LOL. Oh boy do I ever understand the 200 hours studying plans,
asking questions, visiting boats, and garage sailing. I'm sure I'll
put in that! My "actual construction time" concerns had to do with
how long I could get away with tying up my shop, and how many
Florida football games am I going to watch on tape instead of in
real time if I start building in October? I can see your point
concerning the cabin fitting and the roof. The only Micro I've
actually seen looked like the roof would have to come off to do
much serious work inside.
Ben
asking questions, visiting boats, and garage sailing. I'm sure I'll
put in that! My "actual construction time" concerns had to do with
how long I could get away with tying up my shop, and how many
Florida football games am I going to watch on tape instead of in
real time if I start building in October? I can see your point
concerning the cabin fitting and the roof. The only Micro I've
actually seen looked like the roof would have to come off to do
much serious work inside.
Ben
I read somewhere in PB's writings (or maybee someone else's) that a
Micro could be slammed together in 2 weeks of full time work by
someone who knew what he was doing.
I've been working on mine two summers now, but very part time. I
doubt I have 100 hours of actual work in her yet. I'm fitiing out the
interior prior to attaching the cabin roof, best done in that order
to get 6'6" bunks into that 4 foot long cabin trunk. A point not
considered in the building key.
I have well over 200 hours in pondering plans, guessing what to do
next, staring at her, garage sailing with a brewski in hand,
travelling to see othe Micronauts and their projects and generally
ignoring Riff-Raff for months at a time. I'm having a ball.
Full time, with a helper? Two weeks should do it. But I couldn't, I'd
cheat and take a trip to Tampa to see another one, of traipse off to
a boat show, or go boating in one of my other craft.
Have at 'er.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
Micro could be slammed together in 2 weeks of full time work by
someone who knew what he was doing.
I've been working on mine two summers now, but very part time. I
doubt I have 100 hours of actual work in her yet. I'm fitiing out the
interior prior to attaching the cabin roof, best done in that order
to get 6'6" bunks into that 4 foot long cabin trunk. A point not
considered in the building key.
I have well over 200 hours in pondering plans, guessing what to do
next, staring at her, garage sailing with a brewski in hand,
travelling to see othe Micronauts and their projects and generally
ignoring Riff-Raff for months at a time. I'm having a ball.
Full time, with a helper? Two weeks should do it. But I couldn't, I'd
cheat and take a trip to Tampa to see another one, of traipse off to
a boat show, or go boating in one of my other craft.
Have at 'er.
Bruce Hector
www.brucesboats.com
I would bet that you could hire some good help in Central America pretty
cheap. It might cut the construction time by as much as a third.
Roger S
. If the construction time is reasonable I
cheap. It might cut the construction time by as much as a third.
Roger S
. If the construction time is reasonable I
> would probably "have at it" for 8-10 hours a day until I'm done.
> (And I'm sure that I would have the keel cast in a foundry.) I
> guess I'm wondering, assuming that function is more important
> than beauty -- how long might that approach to construction take
> me?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben
He has no choice but to do a good job. Dont forgrt he is taking it to Central America. Those warm organic water are very unforgiving on wood.
CCG
proaconstrictor
wrote:Here is one other thing, we all know, though haven't mentioned: What
standard will you build it to. I don't mean how pretty, but how
well. Bolger has his own ideas about building plywood boats, and
there is a plywood, lumber, nails, and exterior paint approach that
works pretty well. The approach I prefer is a bit towards the other
end of the spectrum, the glass everything, glue everything, no
fasteners approach. While I can work pretty quickly, the latter
approach is more time consuming, and expensive, but you see a fair
amount of it since a lot of us would rather only have to do it once.
In general, if you know how to woodwork, where to source material,
have a range of the necesary tools (throw in some autobody style
tools to go with your cabinet stuff), and have ample space, then I
think you should be able to work quickish. It can still take some
time to get to the point where one knows how to schedule jobs most
efficiently just from plans. I think 250-400 is reasonable,
particularly without needing to deal with the keel.
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wrote:Here is one other thing, we all know, though haven't mentioned: What
standard will you build it to. I don't mean how pretty, but how
well. Bolger has his own ideas about building plywood boats, and
there is a plywood, lumber, nails, and exterior paint approach that
works pretty well. The approach I prefer is a bit towards the other
end of the spectrum, the glass everything, glue everything, no
fasteners approach. While I can work pretty quickly, the latter
approach is more time consuming, and expensive, but you see a fair
amount of it since a lot of us would rather only have to do it once.
In general, if you know how to woodwork, where to source material,
have a range of the necesary tools (throw in some autobody style
tools to go with your cabinet stuff), and have ample space, then I
think you should be able to work quickish. It can still take some
time to get to the point where one knows how to schedule jobs most
efficiently just from plans. I think 250-400 is reasonable,
particularly without needing to deal with the keel.
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Here is one other thing, we all know, though haven't mentioned: What
standard will you build it to. I don't mean how pretty, but how
well. Bolger has his own ideas about building plywood boats, and
there is a plywood, lumber, nails, and exterior paint approach that
works pretty well. The approach I prefer is a bit towards the other
end of the spectrum, the glass everything, glue everything, no
fasteners approach. While I can work pretty quickly, the latter
approach is more time consuming, and expensive, but you see a fair
amount of it since a lot of us would rather only have to do it once.
In general, if you know how to woodwork, where to source material,
have a range of the necesary tools (throw in some autobody style
tools to go with your cabinet stuff), and have ample space, then I
think you should be able to work quickish. It can still take some
time to get to the point where one knows how to schedule jobs most
efficiently just from plans. I think 250-400 is reasonable,
particularly without needing to deal with the keel.
standard will you build it to. I don't mean how pretty, but how
well. Bolger has his own ideas about building plywood boats, and
there is a plywood, lumber, nails, and exterior paint approach that
works pretty well. The approach I prefer is a bit towards the other
end of the spectrum, the glass everything, glue everything, no
fasteners approach. While I can work pretty quickly, the latter
approach is more time consuming, and expensive, but you see a fair
amount of it since a lot of us would rather only have to do it once.
In general, if you know how to woodwork, where to source material,
have a range of the necesary tools (throw in some autobody style
tools to go with your cabinet stuff), and have ample space, then I
think you should be able to work quickish. It can still take some
time to get to the point where one knows how to schedule jobs most
efficiently just from plans. I think 250-400 is reasonable,
particularly without needing to deal with the keel.
John,
There's a certain sense to that. I always finish what I start,
but I don't always have a great time along the way. And I'm the
no-frills type who builds lovely furniture for clients, but didn't stop
sleeping on a sheet of ply on milk crates till my wife threatened
to move to the Marriot. I think the little jon boat I built as my
current tender took a weekend with frequent breaks to check
sports scores. There are advantages to having a warehouse
space and lots of tools.
It'll take however long it takes <grin>
Thanks!
There's a certain sense to that. I always finish what I start,
but I don't always have a great time along the way. And I'm the
no-frills type who builds lovely furniture for clients, but didn't stop
sleeping on a sheet of ply on milk crates till my wife threatened
to move to the Marriot. I think the little jon boat I built as my
current tender took a weekend with frequent breaks to check
sports scores. There are advantages to having a warehouse
space and lots of tools.
It'll take however long it takes <grin>
Thanks!
Ben, the actual question is how long will it take you to build the
micro. What I would suggest is building a small tender that floats
for the micro and then figure about twelve times longer than the
smaller tender. Try a Nymph from Phil Bolger and figure your building
speed from that. Among this group of builders are very fast builders
to slow builders so the only way to correctly judge your speed is by
your actual speed. It will also test your love of boats. You'll
either not be able to get it done fast enough to never try another or
you will be ordering the long micro plans instead of the standard
micro.
You will be the best judge of time and skill but as they are fond of
saying it'll take as long as it takes. I am not mocking you, because
only you are relevant at this point. The best of luck and if you run
into problems other than time on your Micro this is the best place
for answers.
John
micro. What I would suggest is building a small tender that floats
for the micro and then figure about twelve times longer than the
smaller tender. Try a Nymph from Phil Bolger and figure your building
speed from that. Among this group of builders are very fast builders
to slow builders so the only way to correctly judge your speed is by
your actual speed. It will also test your love of boats. You'll
either not be able to get it done fast enough to never try another or
you will be ordering the long micro plans instead of the standard
micro.
You will be the best judge of time and skill but as they are fond of
saying it'll take as long as it takes. I am not mocking you, because
only you are relevant at this point. The best of luck and if you run
into problems other than time on your Micro this is the best place
for answers.
John
--- In bolger@y..., "betrumble" <betrumble@y...> wrote:
> What a wonderful group. I think I've glance at several thousand
> messages over the last couple days. Good stuff!
>
> I should start out buy saying that I'm not a boatbuilder, or at
least
> I've never built anything that floats from plans. I've knocked
> together a few dingies, a canvas canoe, and motor powered raft
> but that's about it. Anyway, I've been sailing for around 35 years
> and I keep a 23' O'Day in the water here on the central coast in
> California, but I'm going to be spending half of each year in
> Central America in the near future and I want a baot there as
> well. Since I've decided that it would be a blast to build this
boat,
> I've spent a couple weeks looking into practical constructions,
> and I keep coming back to the Micro. What's confusing me is
> trying to figure out just how long it takes to build a Micro? I've
> seen comments across the web that seem to range from 150
> hours to 700 hours. If the construction time is reasonable I
> would probably "have at it" for 8-10 hours a day until I'm done.
> (And I'm sure that I would have the keel cast in a foundry.) I
> guess I'm wondering, assuming that function is more important
> than beauty -- how long might that approach to construction take
> me?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben
--- In bolger@y..., "betrumble" <betrumble@y...> wrote:
What's confusing me is
> trying to figure out just how long it takes to build a Micro?
> Thanks!
>
> Ben
Hello Ben,
How fast can you produce finished product?
Peter Lenihan
What a wonderful group. I think I've glance at several thousand
messages over the last couple days. Good stuff!
I should start out buy saying that I'm not a boatbuilder, or at least
I've never built anything that floats from plans. I've knocked
together a few dingies, a canvas canoe, and motor powered raft
but that's about it. Anyway, I've been sailing for around 35 years
and I keep a 23' O'Day in the water here on the central coast in
California, but I'm going to be spending half of each year in
Central America in the near future and I want a baot there as
well. Since I've decided that it would be a blast to build this boat,
I've spent a couple weeks looking into practical constructions,
and I keep coming back to the Micro. What's confusing me is
trying to figure out just how long it takes to build a Micro? I've
seen comments across the web that seem to range from 150
hours to 700 hours. If the construction time is reasonable I
would probably "have at it" for 8-10 hours a day until I'm done.
(And I'm sure that I would have the keel cast in a foundry.) I
guess I'm wondering, assuming that function is more important
than beauty -- how long might that approach to construction take
me?
Thanks!
Ben
messages over the last couple days. Good stuff!
I should start out buy saying that I'm not a boatbuilder, or at least
I've never built anything that floats from plans. I've knocked
together a few dingies, a canvas canoe, and motor powered raft
but that's about it. Anyway, I've been sailing for around 35 years
and I keep a 23' O'Day in the water here on the central coast in
California, but I'm going to be spending half of each year in
Central America in the near future and I want a baot there as
well. Since I've decided that it would be a blast to build this boat,
I've spent a couple weeks looking into practical constructions,
and I keep coming back to the Micro. What's confusing me is
trying to figure out just how long it takes to build a Micro? I've
seen comments across the web that seem to range from 150
hours to 700 hours. If the construction time is reasonable I
would probably "have at it" for 8-10 hours a day until I'm done.
(And I'm sure that I would have the keel cast in a foundry.) I
guess I'm wondering, assuming that function is more important
than beauty -- how long might that approach to construction take
me?
Thanks!
Ben