Re: Micro Ocean Crossing Atlantic Route
Stunts like this were not ever NECESSARY, in any day or age.
Necessary isn't always the point. It isn't necessary to build boats
out of wood. ;o)
As long as the fellow doesn't expect me to come rescue him (and
realizes the Coast Guard might present a bill if they do), BRAVO!
gbb
Necessary isn't always the point. It isn't necessary to build boats
out of wood. ;o)
As long as the fellow doesn't expect me to come rescue him (and
realizes the Coast Guard might present a bill if they do), BRAVO!
gbb
--- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> Not a bad idea so long as you,
> 1) provide for fuel drops along that route
> 2) figure out so way to not freeze to death
> 3) prevent beer from freezing...
>
> Peter Lenihan,wondering if stunts like this are still necessary in
> this day and age.........
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "betrumble" <betrumble@y...> wrote:
> > Trailer to St Johns NF, then sail coastally 500 nautical miles
to
> > Hopedale LAB The crossing from there to Greenland is about
> > 550 nautical miles. Sail coastally up Greenland 300 nautical
> > miles, then make the crossing to Iceland -- about 500 nautical
> > miles. From there you're less than 600 nautical miles from a
> > bottle of single malt in Scotland. A lot of small boats have
made
> > the trip because it isn't as seemingly impossible as the 1700
> > mile crossing from NF to Ireland. With luck you'd never need
> > more ten days worth of beer.
Hmmmm, sail powered, barge carrier made out of salvaged materials?
Hmmmmmmm.
Hmmmmmmm.
--- In bolger@y..., "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> Yes, I for one, would love to see some pics of the raft.Another potential a/c carrier emerging in your mind Bruce?
Yes, I for one, would love to see some pics of the raft.
I met these guys in france a couple of years ago, after their
crossing, which appearently got them very scared. didnt get the
impression they were sailors, or seamen of any description.
the mast, and sail, was a joke. they motored all the way.
was impressed by the raft, though. a very sturdy, boat shaped,
high-sided&flat bottomed (!!) box with lots of pu-foam flotation. his
stability reasoning was very much like bolger's.
he told about how he was pouring it, so at least the foam was not
salvaged. we discussed how he got the rest of his materials (for
free!!!) and sadly concluded that here in europe it could not be
done. there is not so much thrown away, not even at building sites.
of course I decided to build such a craft myself, if I would only
locate a source for the raw materials. friends talked me out of it, for
the moment. (but i know, my chainsaw is waiting in the basement ;-
).
if you want some pics, let me know!
hannes
crossing, which appearently got them very scared. didnt get the
impression they were sailors, or seamen of any description.
the mast, and sail, was a joke. they motored all the way.
was impressed by the raft, though. a very sturdy, boat shaped,
high-sided&flat bottomed (!!) box with lots of pu-foam flotation. his
stability reasoning was very much like bolger's.
he told about how he was pouring it, so at least the foam was not
salvaged. we discussed how he got the rest of his materials (for
free!!!) and sadly concluded that here in europe it could not be
done. there is not so much thrown away, not even at building sites.
of course I decided to build such a craft myself, if I would only
locate a source for the raw materials. friends talked me out of it, for
the moment. (but i know, my chainsaw is waiting in the basement ;-
).
if you want some pics, let me know!
hannes
On 24 Oct 2002, at 12:27, Richard Spelling wrote:
> Emmm. auxiliary diesel: 19 HP Lister
> donated I believe.
>http://www.floatingneutrinos.com/son%20of%20town%20hall/chronology.htm
>
Bruce,
I abstain these days from the nectar of a hogs head or any brew or
wine. One drop is too many and a thousand not enough for my
sensibilities, so the buttermilk is my own challenge. We never ate
the lamb, it was always meant for the auction block, now the old
mutton that became barren was meant for Haggis! Who could forget a
roasted rack of mutton ribs covered in onions and garlic.
I enjoy it much more than roasted monkey in the Philippines and no
it really doesn't taste like chicken. Anything would be tasting
special after a tussle with the North Atlantic. Now Bruce I promise
not to drink your brew as long as I can navigate when you indulge in
libation. I think that is a fair trade.
After looking at the frail Tinkerbell I am sure a Micro would have a
very good chance of a safe passage. Even if you won't eat Haggis I'm
sure that a few Spanish mackerel could fall prey on the way over so
food would be no problem. A small manual desalinator would also be a
necessity. I am one of those few lucky people who never gets seasick
but I do get sick of being stuck on dry ground.
Because of the direct route and having more time on the water I
would rather sail the direct route than to make landings on the
crossing while traveling further north. It seems three Micros have
already made the trip minus humans, it can be done.
John
I abstain these days from the nectar of a hogs head or any brew or
wine. One drop is too many and a thousand not enough for my
sensibilities, so the buttermilk is my own challenge. We never ate
the lamb, it was always meant for the auction block, now the old
mutton that became barren was meant for Haggis! Who could forget a
roasted rack of mutton ribs covered in onions and garlic.
I enjoy it much more than roasted monkey in the Philippines and no
it really doesn't taste like chicken. Anything would be tasting
special after a tussle with the North Atlantic. Now Bruce I promise
not to drink your brew as long as I can navigate when you indulge in
libation. I think that is a fair trade.
After looking at the frail Tinkerbell I am sure a Micro would have a
very good chance of a safe passage. Even if you won't eat Haggis I'm
sure that a few Spanish mackerel could fall prey on the way over so
food would be no problem. A small manual desalinator would also be a
necessity. I am one of those few lucky people who never gets seasick
but I do get sick of being stuck on dry ground.
Because of the direct route and having more time on the water I
would rather sail the direct route than to make landings on the
crossing while traveling further north. It seems three Micros have
already made the trip minus humans, it can be done.
John
--- In bolger@y..., "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> HAGGIS and BUTTERMILK! Are ye daft lad? I ken no see da sense agin
a
> pint o McEwen's, a wee dram of Islay Mist and a roast lamb shank or
> two.
>
> If I had to have haggis and Bmilk at the end o that run, I'd prefer
a
> watery grave for me and my Micro.
>
> Arrrgghh, Get STUFFED! (the Haggis that is)
>
> Bruce Hector (neo-Scot, kin o the Angus clan up Aberdeen way, wi a
> bloudie dolphin, a mountain and a glacier named for me Great, Great
> uncle Sir James Hector, who never made a boat in his life.)
Beating to weather, but downHILL!
Or, at least low grade hills. Slow down on the big hills, but generaly can
maintain the 75 mph speed limit.
Or, at least low grade hills. Slow down on the big hills, but generaly can
maintain the 75 mph speed limit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nels" <arvent@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:59 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro Ocean Crossing Atlantic Route
| Even 70 mph towing a Chebacco with a 4-cylinder truck sounds pretty
| impressive. Is that beating to weather, or downwind I wonder?;-))
|
| --- In bolger@y..., "Michial Thompson (At Work)" <michialt@u...>
| wrote:
| > Ohh are you saying it was 70mph instead of 70mpg :( and here I
| thought I
| > could save a couple thousand a year on gas.......
| >
|
|
|
|
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Tim Severin's 1978 book 'The Brendan Voyage' describes sailing a
medieval-celtic-style skin boat from Ireland to Newfoundland via the
Hebrides, the Faroes, Iceland and Greenland over two summer seasons
with a crew of three. Adventures included fierce storms, whales and
nearly being holed by pack ice... but they made it.
On the other hand, 'The Perfect Storm' (the book by Sebastian Junger;
I haven't seen the movie) describes in at-times-horrendous detail
what can happen out there -- and not just once or twice in a century!
John
medieval-celtic-style skin boat from Ireland to Newfoundland via the
Hebrides, the Faroes, Iceland and Greenland over two summer seasons
with a crew of three. Adventures included fierce storms, whales and
nearly being holed by pack ice... but they made it.
On the other hand, 'The Perfect Storm' (the book by Sebastian Junger;
I haven't seen the movie) describes in at-times-horrendous detail
what can happen out there -- and not just once or twice in a century!
John
--- In bolger@y..., "betrumble" <betrumble@y...> wrote:
> Trailer to St Johns NF, then sail coastally 500 nautical miles to
> Hopedale LAB The crossing from there to Greenland is about
> 550 nautical miles. Sail coastally up Greenland 300 nautical
> miles, then make the crossing to Iceland -- about 500 nautical
> miles. From there you're less than 600 nautical miles from a
> bottle of single malt in Scotland. A lot of small boats have made
> the trip because it isn't as seemingly impossible as the 1700
> mile crossing from NF to Ireland. With luck you'd never need
> more ten days worth of beer.
HAGGIS and BUTTERMILK! Are ye daft lad? I ken no see da sense agin a
pint o McEwen's, a wee dram of Islay Mist and a roast lamb shank or
two.
If I had to have haggis and Bmilk at the end o that run, I'd prefer a
watery grave for me and my Micro.
Arrrgghh, Get STUFFED! (the Haggis that is)
Bruce Hector (neo-Scot, kin o the Angus clan up Aberdeen way, wi a
bloudie dolphin, a mountain and a glacier named for me Great, Great
uncle Sir James Hector, who never made a boat in his life.)
pint o McEwen's, a wee dram of Islay Mist and a roast lamb shank or
two.
If I had to have haggis and Bmilk at the end o that run, I'd prefer a
watery grave for me and my Micro.
Arrrgghh, Get STUFFED! (the Haggis that is)
Bruce Hector (neo-Scot, kin o the Angus clan up Aberdeen way, wi a
bloudie dolphin, a mountain and a glacier named for me Great, Great
uncle Sir James Hector, who never made a boat in his life.)
Even 70 mph towing a Chebacco with a 4-cylinder truck sounds pretty
impressive. Is that beating to weather, or downwind I wonder?;-))
--- In bolger@y..., "Michial Thompson (At Work)" <michialt@u...>
wrote:
impressive. Is that beating to weather, or downwind I wonder?;-))
--- In bolger@y..., "Michial Thompson (At Work)" <michialt@u...>
wrote:
> Ohh are you saying it was 70mph instead of 70mpg :( and here Ithought I
> could save a couple thousand a year on gas.......
>
Ohh are you saying it was 70mph instead of 70mpg :( and here I thought I
could save a couple thousand a year on gas.......
Couldn't resist the ras though, and I know I make just as many or more of
those typo's
At 04:17 PM 10/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:
could save a couple thousand a year on gas.......
Couldn't resist the ras though, and I know I make just as many or more of
those typo's
At 04:17 PM 10/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey, the letters are right next to each other!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michial Thompson (At Work)" <michialt@...>
>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Micro Ocean Crossing Atlantic Route
>
>
> > Richard;
> >
> > What truck do you own that gets 70 mpg??? I am in the market for trading
> > in my F150 to save gas :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 01:37 PM 10/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > ><sigh> It appears it's all been done before. Circumnavigations are so
>common
> > >they do a non-stop singlehanded race!
> > >
> > >Oh well, I think my 20ft Chebacco is the perfect boat. Big enough to
>spend a
> > >week or two in, but small enough to tow behind my 4 cylinder truck at
>70mpg
> > >to messabouts and lakes I've never been to.
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "betrumble" <betrumble@...>
> > >To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:55 AM
> > >Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro Ocean Crossing Atlantic Route
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well, the real concern is the beer not the weather, or the danger
> > > > -- which are givens. But FWIW the "Floating Neutrinos" a group
> > > > of "gypsy sailors" (as it were) made the crossing in August '98 on
> > > > a live aboard raft literally constructed entirely of materials
> > > > salvaged from dumpsters in Manhattan -- and pushed by
> > > > bedsheet sails and a 5hp outboard. I'd much rather take my
> > > > chances in a Micro
> > > >
> > > > --- In bolger@y..., "John Cupp" <caj@k...> wrote:
> > > > > I'll admit that sometimes the North Atlantic can be calm like
> > > > that
> > > > > half day on November 22, 1861 but the rest of the time a micro
> > > > would
> > > > > be no more than a cork in the middle of mayhem. Some of the
> > > > very
> > > > > stoutest boats have succumb to the constant pounding of giant
> > > > grey
> > > > > walls of water that you map out a course through to send a
> > > > micro
> > > > > into.
> > > >
> > > > > After all that is said, if someone offered me a berth I would
> > > > accept
> > > > > eagerly because I can admit I am unstable. Maybe it should
> > > > scare me
> > > > > but I always liked a bit of rough weather to make me feel alive.
> > > > I
> > > > > am positive a plate of warm haggis in Scotland fresh off a
> > > > North
> > > > > Atlantic cruise would be far better than any pint, and with a
> > > > fresh
> > > > > churned glass of buttermilk I would toast all around!
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bolger rules!!!
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> > > > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
>posts
> > > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip>
>away
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> > >01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>Bolger rules!!!
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Hey, the letters are right next to each other!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michial Thompson (At Work)" <michialt@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Micro Ocean Crossing Atlantic Route
> Richard;
>
> What truck do you own that gets 70 mpg??? I am in the market for trading
> in my F150 to save gas :)
>
>
>
>
> At 01:37 PM 10/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> ><sigh> It appears it's all been done before. Circumnavigations are so
common
> >they do a non-stop singlehanded race!
> >
> >Oh well, I think my 20ft Chebacco is the perfect boat. Big enough to
spend a
> >week or two in, but small enough to tow behind my 4 cylinder truck at
70mpg
> >to messabouts and lakes I've never been to.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "betrumble" <betrumble@...>
> >To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:55 AM
> >Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro Ocean Crossing Atlantic Route
> >
> >
> > > Well, the real concern is the beer not the weather, or the danger
> > > -- which are givens. But FWIW the "Floating Neutrinos" a group
> > > of "gypsy sailors" (as it were) made the crossing in August '98 on
> > > a live aboard raft literally constructed entirely of materials
> > > salvaged from dumpsters in Manhattan -- and pushed by
> > > bedsheet sails and a 5hp outboard. I'd much rather take my
> > > chances in a Micro
> > >
> > > --- In bolger@y..., "John Cupp" <caj@k...> wrote:
> > > > I'll admit that sometimes the North Atlantic can be calm like
> > > that
> > > > half day on November 22, 1861 but the rest of the time a micro
> > > would
> > > > be no more than a cork in the middle of mayhem. Some of the
> > > very
> > > > stoutest boats have succumb to the constant pounding of giant
> > > grey
> > > > walls of water that you map out a course through to send a
> > > micro
> > > > into.
> > >
> > > > After all that is said, if someone offered me a berth I would
> > > accept
> > > > eagerly because I can admit I am unstable. Maybe it should
> > > scare me
> > > > but I always liked a bit of rough weather to make me feel alive.
> > > I
> > > > am positive a plate of warm haggis in Scotland fresh off a
> > > North
> > > > Atlantic cruise would be far better than any pint, and with a
> > > fresh
> > > > churned glass of buttermilk I would toast all around!
> > > >
> > > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
posts
> > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip>
away
> > > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
> >01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >Bolger rules!!!
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>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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http://www.seaislandboatworks.com/past_projects1.htm
These guys built the three micros for the aritist. I wonder if they know
what happento them.
Jfef
These guys built the three micros for the aritist. I wonder if they know
what happento them.
Jfef
Richard;
What truck do you own that gets 70 mpg??? I am in the market for trading
in my F150 to save gas :)
At 01:37 PM 10/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:
What truck do you own that gets 70 mpg??? I am in the market for trading
in my F150 to save gas :)
At 01:37 PM 10/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:
><sigh> It appears it's all been done before. Circumnavigations are so common
>they do a non-stop singlehanded race!
>
>Oh well, I think my 20ft Chebacco is the perfect boat. Big enough to spend a
>week or two in, but small enough to tow behind my 4 cylinder truck at 70mpg
>to messabouts and lakes I've never been to.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "betrumble" <betrumble@...>
>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:55 AM
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro Ocean Crossing Atlantic Route
>
>
> > Well, the real concern is the beer not the weather, or the danger
> > -- which are givens. But FWIW the "Floating Neutrinos" a group
> > of "gypsy sailors" (as it were) made the crossing in August '98 on
> > a live aboard raft literally constructed entirely of materials
> > salvaged from dumpsters in Manhattan -- and pushed by
> > bedsheet sails and a 5hp outboard. I'd much rather take my
> > chances in a Micro
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., "John Cupp" <caj@k...> wrote:
> > > I'll admit that sometimes the North Atlantic can be calm like
> > that
> > > half day on November 22, 1861 but the rest of the time a micro
> > would
> > > be no more than a cork in the middle of mayhem. Some of the
> > very
> > > stoutest boats have succumb to the constant pounding of giant
> > grey
> > > walls of water that you map out a course through to send a
> > micro
> > > into.
> >
> > > After all that is said, if someone offered me a berth I would
> > accept
> > > eagerly because I can admit I am unstable. Maybe it should
> > scare me
> > > but I always liked a bit of rough weather to make me feel alive.
> > I
> > > am positive a plate of warm haggis in Scotland fresh off a
> > North
> > > Atlantic cruise would be far better than any pint, and with a
> > fresh
> > > churned glass of buttermilk I would toast all around!
> > >
> > > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
>- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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<sigh> It appears it's all been done before. Circumnavigations are so common
they do a non-stop singlehanded race!
Oh well, I think my 20ft Chebacco is the perfect boat. Big enough to spend a
week or two in, but small enough to tow behind my 4 cylinder truck at 70mpg
to messabouts and lakes I've never been to.
they do a non-stop singlehanded race!
Oh well, I think my 20ft Chebacco is the perfect boat. Big enough to spend a
week or two in, but small enough to tow behind my 4 cylinder truck at 70mpg
to messabouts and lakes I've never been to.
----- Original Message -----
From: "betrumble" <betrumble@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:55 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro Ocean Crossing Atlantic Route
> Well, the real concern is the beer not the weather, or the danger
> -- which are givens. But FWIW the "Floating Neutrinos" a group
> of "gypsy sailors" (as it were) made the crossing in August '98 on
> a live aboard raft literally constructed entirely of materials
> salvaged from dumpsters in Manhattan -- and pushed by
> bedsheet sails and a 5hp outboard. I'd much rather take my
> chances in a Micro
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "John Cupp" <caj@k...> wrote:
> > I'll admit that sometimes the North Atlantic can be calm like
> that
> > half day on November 22, 1861 but the rest of the time a micro
> would
> > be no more than a cork in the middle of mayhem. Some of the
> very
> > stoutest boats have succumb to the constant pounding of giant
> grey
> > walls of water that you map out a course through to send a
> micro
> > into.
>
> > After all that is said, if someone offered me a berth I would
> accept
> > eagerly because I can admit I am unstable. Maybe it should
> scare me
> > but I always liked a bit of rough weather to make me feel alive.
> I
> > am positive a plate of warm haggis in Scotland fresh off a
> North
> > Atlantic cruise would be far better than any pint, and with a
> fresh
> > churned glass of buttermilk I would toast all around!
> >
> > John
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
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Emmm. auxiliary diesel: 19 HP Lister
donated I believe.
http://www.floatingneutrinos.com/son%20of%20town%20hall/chronology.htm
donated I believe.
http://www.floatingneutrinos.com/son%20of%20town%20hall/chronology.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "betrumble" <betrumble@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:55 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro Ocean Crossing Atlantic Route
> Well, the real concern is the beer not the weather, or the danger
> -- which are givens. But FWIW the "Floating Neutrinos" a group
> of "gypsy sailors" (as it were) made the crossing in August '98 on
> a live aboard raft literally constructed entirely of materials
> salvaged from dumpsters in Manhattan -- and pushed by
> bedsheet sails and a 5hp outboard. I'd much rather take my
> chances in a Micro
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "John Cupp" <caj@k...> wrote:
> > I'll admit that sometimes the North Atlantic can be calm like
> that
> > half day on November 22, 1861 but the rest of the time a micro
> would
> > be no more than a cork in the middle of mayhem. Some of the
> very
> > stoutest boats have succumb to the constant pounding of giant
> grey
> > walls of water that you map out a course through to send a
> micro
> > into.
>
> > After all that is said, if someone offered me a berth I would
> accept
> > eagerly because I can admit I am unstable. Maybe it should
> scare me
> > but I always liked a bit of rough weather to make me feel alive.
> I
> > am positive a plate of warm haggis in Scotland fresh off a
> North
> > Atlantic cruise would be far better than any pint, and with a
> fresh
> > churned glass of buttermilk I would toast all around!
> >
> > John
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
>
Well, the real concern is the beer not the weather, or the danger
-- which are givens. But FWIW the "Floating Neutrinos" a group
of "gypsy sailors" (as it were) made the crossing in August '98 on
a live aboard raft literally constructed entirely of materials
salvaged from dumpsters in Manhattan -- and pushed by
bedsheet sails and a 5hp outboard. I'd much rather take my
chances in a Micro
-- which are givens. But FWIW the "Floating Neutrinos" a group
of "gypsy sailors" (as it were) made the crossing in August '98 on
a live aboard raft literally constructed entirely of materials
salvaged from dumpsters in Manhattan -- and pushed by
bedsheet sails and a 5hp outboard. I'd much rather take my
chances in a Micro
--- In bolger@y..., "John Cupp" <caj@k...> wrote:
> I'll admit that sometimes the North Atlantic can be calm like
that
> half day on November 22, 1861 but the rest of the time a micro
would
> be no more than a cork in the middle of mayhem. Some of the
very
> stoutest boats have succumb to the constant pounding of giant
grey
> walls of water that you map out a course through to send a
micro
> into.
> After all that is said, if someone offered me a berth I would
accept
> eagerly because I can admit I am unstable. Maybe it should
scare me
> but I always liked a bit of rough weather to make me feel alive.
I
> am positive a plate of warm haggis in Scotland fresh off a
North
> Atlantic cruise would be far better than any pint, and with a
fresh
> churned glass of buttermilk I would toast all around!
>
> John
--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
no longer waterproof, but big.
Most modern versions have zips, little tent poles and fly screen
window, ie built forcity slickers.
Mind you, i cheat by having a 80% goose down doona and a wool
blanket in mine
Ive slept outside in -5 to +40 celcius. , no snow tho.
useless in the rain too. But should be alright for Hobart me thinks.
And now to the real Australian National anthem
"Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong ,"
"Under the shade of a coolibar tree"
"and he sang and he watched , as he waited till his Billy boiled"
"You'll come a Waltzing Matilda with me"
watzing Matilda is when you pack your swag and just go.........
Does this all make sense?
By the way n
, never camp under a coolibar. On hot days they tend to drop branches
on tents and also have shit loads of ants going back and forth all
over them.
Cheers . Paul day " Captain "of the schooner "Waltzing Matilda"
> Put down some swags? Same as "crash for the night"?I found mine stuck up a tree after a dust storm. Its full of holes ,
> What is the origin of the saying?
> Swag is basically a canvas bedroll witha ll your belongings inside.
no longer waterproof, but big.
Most modern versions have zips, little tent poles and fly screen
window, ie built forcity slickers.
Mind you, i cheat by having a 80% goose down doona and a wool
blanket in mine
Ive slept outside in -5 to +40 celcius. , no snow tho.
useless in the rain too. But should be alright for Hobart me thinks.
And now to the real Australian National anthem
"Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong ,"
"Under the shade of a coolibar tree"
"and he sang and he watched , as he waited till his Billy boiled"
"You'll come a Waltzing Matilda with me"
watzing Matilda is when you pack your swag and just go.........
Does this all make sense?
By the way n
, never camp under a coolibar. On hot days they tend to drop branches
on tents and also have shit loads of ants going back and forth all
over them.
Cheers . Paul day " Captain "of the schooner "Waltzing Matilda"
I worked in Toronto for a year and saw countless people senselessly
risking their life every day - commuting on the 401.
Talk about living on the edge! Nels
risking their life every day - commuting on the 401.
Talk about living on the edge! Nels
--- In bolger@y..., "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> Chebacco, Cruiser, Standard or Glass House wouldn't be my choice.
I'd
> consider Micro or Long Micro first, but I'd have to be press
ganged.
> The AS 29 is getting reasonable, especially with the improved
ballast
> option. But there's not enough beer storage on board.
>
> AS 39, now you're talking. Plus she'd make a great European canal
> liveaboard for a year or two.
>
> Of course, I'd be far more likely to ship any of these overseas on
a
> trailler onboard a ro-ro ship or as deck cargo. Saves a lot of
time,
> and the greatest hazard facing trans oceanic sailors: Death by
> boredom. Just my opinion, I've never crossed an ocean, unless the
> Carribean on a cruise liner counts.
>
> Bruce Hector
Thank you Don for the most generous offer. I will have my own swag
and help out with the tucker;-)) And like the big boys I will not go
out of the sight of land and come back in as soon as the wind gets
over 19 knots. I have an aquaintance that is over there- but I think
has moved on to Australia by now. Would be nice to go when there is a
gathering like Paul mentioned. Nels
and help out with the tucker;-)) And like the big boys I will not go
out of the sight of land and come back in as soon as the wind gets
over 19 knots. I have an aquaintance that is over there- but I think
has moved on to Australia by now. Would be nice to go when there is a
gathering like Paul mentioned. Nels
--- In bolger@y..., "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
> Travel to NZ Nels, and you would be welcome to stay with us, and to
> spend a day or two Microing about the Hauraki Gulf. Not while the
> Americas Cup is on though, it's a madhouse.
> The conversion has slowed because I have had too much other work,
> but I am doing some rigging now, and will be in the water in
January.
> DonB
>
What about icebergs and killer whales?
Here's one for Bruce:
Make a submersible sailboat with a long snorkel and wait out the
storms at 150 ft. Probably need crew of at least 2 in order to monitor
situation. I suppose equivalent $ and time would provide 60ft ocean
cruiser, tho. Maybe 100ft!
Here's one for Bruce:
Make a submersible sailboat with a long snorkel and wait out the
storms at 150 ft. Probably need crew of at least 2 in order to monitor
situation. I suppose equivalent $ and time would provide 60ft ocean
cruiser, tho. Maybe 100ft!
--- In bolger@y..., "betrumble" <betrumble@y...> wrote:
> Trailer to St Johns NF, then sail coastally 500 nautical miles to
> Hopedale LAB The crossing from there to Greenland is about
> 550 nautical miles. Sail coastally up Greenland 300 nautical
> miles, then make the crossing to Iceland -- about 500 nautical
> miles. From there you're less than 600 nautical miles from a
> bottle of single malt in Scotland. A lot of small boats have made
> the trip because it isn't as seemingly impossible as the 1700
> mile crossing from NF to Ireland. With luck you'd never need
> more ten days worth of beer.
I'll admit that sometimes the North Atlantic can be calm like that
half day on November 22, 1861 but the rest of the time a micro would
be no more than a cork in the middle of mayhem. Some of the very
stoutest boats have succumb to the constant pounding of giant grey
walls of water that you map out a course through to send a micro
into.
It sounds more like a voyage of desperation at this point than a
lowly beer run. Something a man might do to escape certain death in
the Americas rather than a fun cruise. Anybody willing to make that
crossing in a micro either knows nothing of the danger involved or
needs to buy some timeshare property.
After all that is said, if someone offered me a berth I would accept
eagerly because I can admit I am unstable. Maybe it should scare me
but I always liked a bit of rough weather to make me feel alive. I
am positive a plate of warm haggis in Scotland fresh off a North
Atlantic cruise would be far better than any pint, and with a fresh
churned glass of buttermilk I would toast all around!
John
half day on November 22, 1861 but the rest of the time a micro would
be no more than a cork in the middle of mayhem. Some of the very
stoutest boats have succumb to the constant pounding of giant grey
walls of water that you map out a course through to send a micro
into.
It sounds more like a voyage of desperation at this point than a
lowly beer run. Something a man might do to escape certain death in
the Americas rather than a fun cruise. Anybody willing to make that
crossing in a micro either knows nothing of the danger involved or
needs to buy some timeshare property.
After all that is said, if someone offered me a berth I would accept
eagerly because I can admit I am unstable. Maybe it should scare me
but I always liked a bit of rough weather to make me feel alive. I
am positive a plate of warm haggis in Scotland fresh off a North
Atlantic cruise would be far better than any pint, and with a fresh
churned glass of buttermilk I would toast all around!
John
--- In bolger@y..., "betrumble" <betrumble@y...> wrote:
> Trailer to St Johns NF, then sail coastally 500 nautical miles to
> Hopedale LAB The crossing from there to Greenland is about
> 550 nautical miles. Sail coastally up Greenland 300 nautical
> miles, then make the crossing to Iceland -- about 500 nautical
> miles. From there you're less than 600 nautical miles from a
> bottle of single malt in Scotland. A lot of small boats have made
> the trip because it isn't as seemingly impossible as the 1700
> mile crossing from NF to Ireland. With luck you'd never need
> more ten days worth of beer.
Not a bad idea so long as you,
1) provide for fuel drops along that route
2) figure out so way to not freeze to death
3) prevent beer from freezing...
Peter Lenihan,wondering if stunts like this are still necessary in
this day and age.........
1) provide for fuel drops along that route
2) figure out so way to not freeze to death
3) prevent beer from freezing...
Peter Lenihan,wondering if stunts like this are still necessary in
this day and age.........
--- In bolger@y..., "betrumble" <betrumble@y...> wrote:
> Trailer to St Johns NF, then sail coastally 500 nautical miles to
> Hopedale LAB The crossing from there to Greenland is about
> 550 nautical miles. Sail coastally up Greenland 300 nautical
> miles, then make the crossing to Iceland -- about 500 nautical
> miles. From there you're less than 600 nautical miles from a
> bottle of single malt in Scotland. A lot of small boats have made
> the trip because it isn't as seemingly impossible as the 1700
> mile crossing from NF to Ireland. With luck you'd never need
> more ten days worth of beer.
Trailer to St Johns NF, then sail coastally 500 nautical miles to
Hopedale LAB The crossing from there to Greenland is about
550 nautical miles. Sail coastally up Greenland 300 nautical
miles, then make the crossing to Iceland -- about 500 nautical
miles. From there you're less than 600 nautical miles from a
bottle of single malt in Scotland. A lot of small boats have made
the trip because it isn't as seemingly impossible as the 1700
mile crossing from NF to Ireland. With luck you'd never need
more ten days worth of beer.
Hopedale LAB The crossing from there to Greenland is about
550 nautical miles. Sail coastally up Greenland 300 nautical
miles, then make the crossing to Iceland -- about 500 nautical
miles. From there you're less than 600 nautical miles from a
bottle of single malt in Scotland. A lot of small boats have made
the trip because it isn't as seemingly impossible as the 1700
mile crossing from NF to Ireland. With luck you'd never need
more ten days worth of beer.
Chebacco, Cruiser, Standard or Glass House wouldn't be my choice. I'd
consider Micro or Long Micro first, but I'd have to be press ganged.
The AS 29 is getting reasonable, especially with the improved ballast
option. But there's not enough beer storage on board.
AS 39, now you're talking. Plus she'd make a great European canal
liveaboard for a year or two.
Of course, I'd be far more likely to ship any of these overseas on a
trailler onboard a ro-ro ship or as deck cargo. Saves a lot of time,
and the greatest hazard facing trans oceanic sailors: Death by
boredom. Just my opinion, I've never crossed an ocean, unless the
Carribean on a cruise liner counts.
Bruce Hector
consider Micro or Long Micro first, but I'd have to be press ganged.
The AS 29 is getting reasonable, especially with the improved ballast
option. But there's not enough beer storage on board.
AS 39, now you're talking. Plus she'd make a great European canal
liveaboard for a year or two.
Of course, I'd be far more likely to ship any of these overseas on a
trailler onboard a ro-ro ship or as deck cargo. Saves a lot of time,
and the greatest hazard facing trans oceanic sailors: Death by
boredom. Just my opinion, I've never crossed an ocean, unless the
Carribean on a cruise liner counts.
Bruce Hector
I say just do IT!!!
And don't forget to send an email when you get to the other side! Or
is there a way to bring a lap top with out to much fuss?
Whats considered off shore anyway, 10 20 30 or 50 miles ?
I have been 13 miles off the coast of s. california in my micro.
All I had was my pfd a couple of beers and a tin of kipper snacks.
Awsome day it was.
Todd
And don't forget to send an email when you get to the other side! Or
is there a way to bring a lap top with out to much fuss?
Whats considered off shore anyway, 10 20 30 or 50 miles ?
I have been 13 miles off the coast of s. california in my micro.
All I had was my pfd a couple of beers and a tin of kipper snacks.
Awsome day it was.
Todd
--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> So, if you shouldn't do it in a Micro, how about a Chebacco Cruiser?
>
> hehehehehe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stan" <stankellar@h...>
> To: <bolger@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:27 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Senselessly Risking Your Life (was Micro Ocean
> Crossing?)
>
>
> > I read Manry's book a number of times, and was impressed by the
lack
> > of ballyhoo about it by him or anyone else.
> >
> > I had a high-school friend in the 70's that hyped up a dory
crossing
> > of the Pacific, gathering sponsors and supplies for his epic
voyage.
> > He became an instant celebrity. The TV cameras followed him a few
> > miles offshore and he was gone. Two days later, the dory was found
> > empty, in San Diego bay on a mooring.
> > A few days later he called me, and was happy with all the loot he
was
> > given, and the women he met. He laughed off the question of his
real
> > intentions. "I'm crazy, but not stupid!"
> > He thought it was a real adventure, and a commentary on fame.
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> > > FBBB --
> > >
> > > I too was completely captivated by the story of Tinkerbelle's
> > > Atlantic crossing. Far, far more engaging/charming than the
heavily
> > > sponsored, heavily hyped stunts that we see today.
> > >
> > > A couple of thoughts:
> > >
> > > Our hero's original intent was to cross the Atlantic with a
partner
> > > in a boat that was (more or less) thought to be up to the task.
> > >
> > > Our hero only turned to the idea of sailing across in
Tinkerbelle
> > > when his friend backed out leaving him boatless. It was
Tinkerbelle
> > > or nothing.
> > >
> > > Although he received a hero's welcome in the other side of the
> > > Atlantic, it's clear he undertook the adventure for reasons that
> > were
> > > deeply personal. Our hero undertook the journey in complete
> > secrecy,
> > > making his wife swear she wouldn't tell a soul. If his account
of
> > the
> > > passage are to be believe, it lived up to his expectations and
was
> > > deeply satisfying.
> > >
> > > Lastly, if memory serves, our hero died of cancer only a few
years
> > > after completing his epic voyage.
> > >
> > > I regard Robert Manry's adventure as nothing short of heroic.
Not
> > > because he cross the sea in thirteen foot boat, but because he
> > > balanced his dreams against his means, looked into his heart and
> > made
> > > his piece with the odds, and then rolled the dice.
> > >
> > > YIBB,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > C.E.P.
> > > 415 W.46th Street
> > > New York, New York 10036
> > >http://www.crumblingempire.com
> > > Mobile (646) 325-8325
> > > Office (212) 247-0296
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
posts
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and
<snip> away
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
> > - Open discussion: bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@y...
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >
So, if you shouldn't do it in a Micro, how about a Chebacco Cruiser?
hehehehehe
hehehehehe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <stankellar@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:27 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Senselessly Risking Your Life (was Micro Ocean
Crossing?)
> I read Manry's book a number of times, and was impressed by the lack
> of ballyhoo about it by him or anyone else.
>
> I had a high-school friend in the 70's that hyped up a dory crossing
> of the Pacific, gathering sponsors and supplies for his epic voyage.
> He became an instant celebrity. The TV cameras followed him a few
> miles offshore and he was gone. Two days later, the dory was found
> empty, in San Diego bay on a mooring.
> A few days later he called me, and was happy with all the loot he was
> given, and the women he met. He laughed off the question of his real
> intentions. "I'm crazy, but not stupid!"
> He thought it was a real adventure, and a commentary on fame.
>
> Stan
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> > FBBB --
> >
> > I too was completely captivated by the story of Tinkerbelle's
> > Atlantic crossing. Far, far more engaging/charming than the heavily
> > sponsored, heavily hyped stunts that we see today.
> >
> > A couple of thoughts:
> >
> > Our hero's original intent was to cross the Atlantic with a partner
> > in a boat that was (more or less) thought to be up to the task.
> >
> > Our hero only turned to the idea of sailing across in Tinkerbelle
> > when his friend backed out leaving him boatless. It was Tinkerbelle
> > or nothing.
> >
> > Although he received a hero's welcome in the other side of the
> > Atlantic, it's clear he undertook the adventure for reasons that
> were
> > deeply personal. Our hero undertook the journey in complete
> secrecy,
> > making his wife swear she wouldn't tell a soul. If his account of
> the
> > passage are to be believe, it lived up to his expectations and was
> > deeply satisfying.
> >
> > Lastly, if memory serves, our hero died of cancer only a few years
> > after completing his epic voyage.
> >
> > I regard Robert Manry's adventure as nothing short of heroic. Not
> > because he cross the sea in thirteen foot boat, but because he
> > balanced his dreams against his means, looked into his heart and
> made
> > his piece with the odds, and then rolled the dice.
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> >
> > --
> >
> > C.E.P.
> > 415 W.46th Street
> > New York, New York 10036
> >http://www.crumblingempire.com
> > Mobile (646) 325-8325
> > Office (212) 247-0296
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
I read Manry's book a number of times, and was impressed by the lack
of ballyhoo about it by him or anyone else.
I had a high-school friend in the 70's that hyped up a dory crossing
of the Pacific, gathering sponsors and supplies for his epic voyage.
He became an instant celebrity. The TV cameras followed him a few
miles offshore and he was gone. Two days later, the dory was found
empty, in San Diego bay on a mooring.
A few days later he called me, and was happy with all the loot he was
given, and the women he met. He laughed off the question of his real
intentions. "I'm crazy, but not stupid!"
He thought it was a real adventure, and a commentary on fame.
Stan
of ballyhoo about it by him or anyone else.
I had a high-school friend in the 70's that hyped up a dory crossing
of the Pacific, gathering sponsors and supplies for his epic voyage.
He became an instant celebrity. The TV cameras followed him a few
miles offshore and he was gone. Two days later, the dory was found
empty, in San Diego bay on a mooring.
A few days later he called me, and was happy with all the loot he was
given, and the women he met. He laughed off the question of his real
intentions. "I'm crazy, but not stupid!"
He thought it was a real adventure, and a commentary on fame.
Stan
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> FBBB --
>
> I too was completely captivated by the story of Tinkerbelle's
> Atlantic crossing. Far, far more engaging/charming than the heavily
> sponsored, heavily hyped stunts that we see today.
>
> A couple of thoughts:
>
> Our hero's original intent was to cross the Atlantic with a partner
> in a boat that was (more or less) thought to be up to the task.
>
> Our hero only turned to the idea of sailing across in Tinkerbelle
> when his friend backed out leaving him boatless. It was Tinkerbelle
> or nothing.
>
> Although he received a hero's welcome in the other side of the
> Atlantic, it's clear he undertook the adventure for reasons that
were
> deeply personal. Our hero undertook the journey in complete
secrecy,
> making his wife swear she wouldn't tell a soul. If his account of
the
> passage are to be believe, it lived up to his expectations and was
> deeply satisfying.
>
> Lastly, if memory serves, our hero died of cancer only a few years
> after completing his epic voyage.
>
> I regard Robert Manry's adventure as nothing short of heroic. Not
> because he cross the sea in thirteen foot boat, but because he
> balanced his dreams against his means, looked into his heart and
made
> his piece with the odds, and then rolled the dice.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> --
>
> C.E.P.
> 415 W.46th Street
> New York, New York 10036
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> Mobile (646) 325-8325
> Office (212) 247-0296
FBBB --
I too was completely captivated by the story of Tinkerbelle's
Atlantic crossing. Far, far more engaging/charming than the heavily
sponsored, heavily hyped stunts that we see today.
A couple of thoughts:
Our hero's original intent was to cross the Atlantic with a partner
in a boat that was (more or less) thought to be up to the task.
Our hero only turned to the idea of sailing across in Tinkerbelle
when his friend backed out leaving him boatless. It was Tinkerbelle
or nothing.
Although he received a hero's welcome in the other side of the
Atlantic, it's clear he undertook the adventure for reasons that were
deeply personal. Our hero undertook the journey in complete secrecy,
making his wife swear she wouldn't tell a soul. If his account of the
passage are to be believe, it lived up to his expectations and was
deeply satisfying.
Lastly, if memory serves, our hero died of cancer only a few years
after completing his epic voyage.
I regard Robert Manry's adventure as nothing short of heroic. Not
because he cross the sea in thirteen foot boat, but because he
balanced his dreams against his means, looked into his heart and made
his piece with the odds, and then rolled the dice.
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
I too was completely captivated by the story of Tinkerbelle's
Atlantic crossing. Far, far more engaging/charming than the heavily
sponsored, heavily hyped stunts that we see today.
A couple of thoughts:
Our hero's original intent was to cross the Atlantic with a partner
in a boat that was (more or less) thought to be up to the task.
Our hero only turned to the idea of sailing across in Tinkerbelle
when his friend backed out leaving him boatless. It was Tinkerbelle
or nothing.
Although he received a hero's welcome in the other side of the
Atlantic, it's clear he undertook the adventure for reasons that were
deeply personal. Our hero undertook the journey in complete secrecy,
making his wife swear she wouldn't tell a soul. If his account of the
passage are to be believe, it lived up to his expectations and was
deeply satisfying.
Lastly, if memory serves, our hero died of cancer only a few years
after completing his epic voyage.
I regard Robert Manry's adventure as nothing short of heroic. Not
because he cross the sea in thirteen foot boat, but because he
balanced his dreams against his means, looked into his heart and made
his piece with the odds, and then rolled the dice.
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
Travel to NZ Nels, and you would be welcome to stay with us, and to
spend a day or two Microing about the Hauraki Gulf. Not while the
Americas Cup is on though, it's a madhouse.
The conversion has slowed because I have had too much other work,
but I am doing some rigging now, and will be in the water in January.
DonB
spend a day or two Microing about the Hauraki Gulf. Not while the
Americas Cup is on though, it's a madhouse.
The conversion has slowed because I have had too much other work,
but I am doing some rigging now, and will be in the water in January.
DonB
> But thanks for the invitation. I am going to consider itseriously!
> Visiting Kiwiland has been my life-long dream.
>
> Do you have your conversion finished? Nels
They cannot start if the wind blows for a few minutes above 19knots,
or below 6 knots, but after the start, the limit goes up to 23 knots
I think. Some races have gusted near 30 after the start, but they
adon't last long enough to cancel.
Either way, it means lots of disruption in Auckland in spring
weather. Then they have these time limits for each leg, so one
wonders if they really want to race!
Personally I think the racing has been pretty boring so far.
DonB
or below 6 knots, but after the start, the limit goes up to 23 knots
I think. Some races have gusted near 30 after the start, but they
adon't last long enough to cancel.
Either way, it means lots of disruption in Auckland in spring
weather. Then they have these time limits for each leg, so one
wonders if they really want to race!
Personally I think the racing has been pretty boring so far.
DonB
--- In bolger@y..., Stuart Crawford <scrawford@p...> wrote:
> Maximum wind allowed at the moment is 19kts.
>
> Stuart
>
> >
> > Or especially, an America's Cup class boat. What is the current
> > record? Something like 75 boats built, and five with calamitous
> > structural failure (i.e. splitting in two and sinking, or the
keel
> > falling off). The rules for the racing currently underway in New
> > Zealand call for suspending the racing if the wind goes over
about
> > 22kts. Not a very good example for what should be the world's
best.
> >
> > Peter
Maximum wind allowed at the moment is 19kts.
Stuart
Stuart
>
> Or especially, an America's Cup class boat. What is the current
> record? Something like 75 boats built, and five with calamitous
> structural failure (i.e. splitting in two and sinking, or the keel
> falling off). The rules for the racing currently underway in New
> Zealand call for suspending the racing if the wind goes over about
> 22kts. Not a very good example for what should be the world's best.
>
> Peter
But then they are the best, at what they are designed to do.
DonB
DonB
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> > One thing for sure, I would rather be in a Micro than a Potter
or a
> > Drascombe lugger or even a 12 meter America's Cup contender,
> > when the waves get big.
>
> Or especially, an America's Cup class boat. What is the current
> record? Something like 75 boats built, and five with calamitous
> structural failure (i.e. splitting in two and sinking, or the keel
> falling off). The rules for the racing currently underway in New
> Zealand call for suspending the racing if the wind goes over about
> 22kts. Not a very good example for what should be the world's best.
>
> Peter
Sure Paul most welcome.
One small thing, on condition you insure your life for $1,000,000
and me as beneficiary.
DonB
One small thing, on condition you insure your life for $1,000,000
and me as beneficiary.
DonB
--- In bolger@y..., "pauldayau" <wattleweedooseeds@b...> wrote:
> .
> > In a big storm, I would feel safer in port. You are welcome to
try
> > it, come down and borrow mine :)
> > DonB
> >
> >
> actually Don I was looking at a way to save money on the ferry to
> Hobart next year Can you spare the micro?
> With good luck and carefull driving we hope to tow the folding
> schooner to hobart for the Wooden boat festival inMarch. the lure
of
> 400+ boats is just to great.
> For the unknowing foriegners thats a 3250 km drive with an
overnight
> ferry crossing thrown in.
> Thats one way. at the end is 4 days of wooden , particularly home
> built boats in a harbour full of resteraunts.
> If theres anybody on the list thats already there , please say
hello.
> oh and do have a space where we can put down some swags?
> Cheers paul
Make it with positive flotation, self-bailing, and a way to protect the
spars and sails in a big blow, a little Micro has excellant chances of doing
just fine. Many of sailors have crossed oceans in small boats without
incident claiming the biggest challenge was the boredom.
Several have row across in dingys, but many more have come up missing.
Sanity plays a part in this activity being common place. I don't think I'd
try it, but then that's coming from someone concerned about crossing one of
the Great Lakes in the Wyoming.
Jeff
spars and sails in a big blow, a little Micro has excellant chances of doing
just fine. Many of sailors have crossed oceans in small boats without
incident claiming the biggest challenge was the boredom.
Several have row across in dingys, but many more have come up missing.
Sanity plays a part in this activity being common place. I don't think I'd
try it, but then that's coming from someone concerned about crossing one of
the Great Lakes in the Wyoming.
Jeff
--- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
for you with the possible exception of the GPS - and it would be
entirely free of any risk to life and limb.
Perhaps that is the secret desire of every man who goes to sea in a
ridiculously tiny boat?
Or any man building a prototype ship?
Nels (Observing soft feathers of snow drifting past my window)
> I would require the following:Thanks to our health care system Peter, these could all be provided
> Thick rubber padding throughout the cabin
> A fool proof reduntant auto-pilot system
> Same for the gps etc....
> Secure tie down points for a custom built body suit
> A massive injection of sedatives dosed just
> right so that
> I awake 24 hours before expected land fall.
for you with the possible exception of the GPS - and it would be
entirely free of any risk to life and limb.
Perhaps that is the secret desire of every man who goes to sea in a
ridiculously tiny boat?
Or any man building a prototype ship?
Nels (Observing soft feathers of snow drifting past my window)
The thought of taking off on some long distance voyage in a MICRO
has its' appeal cartainly and I am equally certain that it can be
built to be virtually indistructable however,if I were to attempt it
I would require the following:
Thick rubber padding throughout the cabin
A fool proof reduntant auto-pilot system
Same for the gps etc....
Secure tie down points for a custom built body suit
A massive injection of sedatives dosed just
right so that
I awake 24 hours before expected land fall.
Then and only then might I be tempted to cross an ocean.About the
only requirement missing then would be the large bag of unmarked
small bills totalling $1,000,000 US.
I'd be in business,by golly!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who has dreamed of far away cruises and survived
everyone of them,in me head while in bed,along the shores of the
St.Lawrence.........
has its' appeal cartainly and I am equally certain that it can be
built to be virtually indistructable however,if I were to attempt it
I would require the following:
Thick rubber padding throughout the cabin
A fool proof reduntant auto-pilot system
Same for the gps etc....
Secure tie down points for a custom built body suit
A massive injection of sedatives dosed just
right so that
I awake 24 hours before expected land fall.
Then and only then might I be tempted to cross an ocean.About the
only requirement missing then would be the large bag of unmarked
small bills totalling $1,000,000 US.
I'd be in business,by golly!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who has dreamed of far away cruises and survived
everyone of them,in me head while in bed,along the shores of the
St.Lawrence.........
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> > One thing for sure, I would rather be in a Micro than a Potter or
a
> > Drascombe lugger or even a 12 meter America's Cup contender,
> > when the waves get big.
>
> One thing for sure, I would rather be in a Micro than a Potter or aOr especially, an America's Cup class boat. What is the current
> Drascombe lugger or even a 12 meter America's Cup contender,
> when the waves get big.
record? Something like 75 boats built, and five with calamitous
structural failure (i.e. splitting in two and sinking, or the keel
falling off). The rules for the racing currently underway in New
Zealand call for suspending the racing if the wind goes over about
22kts. Not a very good example for what should be the world's best.
Peter
--- In bolger@y..., "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
talking about the hull. I agree that the doghouse could be made much
sturdier than PCB has suggested. Using aluminum extrusions and lexan,
and canting the sides inward it could be made stronger than the hull.
One thing for sure, I would rather be in a Micro than a Potter or a
Drascombe lugger or even a 12 meter America's Cup contender, when the
waves get big.
Many boats get wrecked while in port as well. Maybe it is best to
stay up the creek with my paddle;-))
But thanks for the invitation. I am going to consider it seriously!
Visiting Kiwiland has been my life-long dream.
Do you have your conversion finished? Nels
> That's right, or half a ton of wavetop flung sideways against aThis was the comment I was replying to Don. Yes, I thought you were
> vertical 1/2" ply face.
talking about the hull. I agree that the doghouse could be made much
sturdier than PCB has suggested. Using aluminum extrusions and lexan,
and canting the sides inward it could be made stronger than the hull.
One thing for sure, I would rather be in a Micro than a Potter or a
Drascombe lugger or even a 12 meter America's Cup contender, when the
waves get big.
Many boats get wrecked while in port as well. Maybe it is best to
stay up the creek with my paddle;-))
But thanks for the invitation. I am going to consider it seriously!
Visiting Kiwiland has been my life-long dream.
Do you have your conversion finished? Nels
Put down some swags? Same as "crash for the night"?
What is the origin of the saying?
What is the origin of the saying?
----- Original Message -----
From: "pauldayau" <wattleweedooseeds@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 7:16 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro Ocean Crossing?
> .
> > In a big storm, I would feel safer in port. You are welcome to try
> > it, come down and borrow mine :)
> > DonB
> >
> >
> actually Don I was looking at a way to save money on the ferry to
> Hobart next year Can you spare the micro?
> With good luck and carefull driving we hope to tow the folding
> schooner to hobart for the Wooden boat festival inMarch. the lure of
> 400+ boats is just to great.
> For the unknowing foriegners thats a 3250 km drive with an overnight
> ferry crossing thrown in.
> Thats one way. at the end is 4 days of wooden , particularly home
> built boats in a harbour full of resteraunts.
> If theres anybody on the list thats already there , please say hello.
> oh and do have a space where we can put down some swags?
> Cheers paul
>
.
Hobart next year Can you spare the micro?
With good luck and carefull driving we hope to tow the folding
schooner to hobart for the Wooden boat festival inMarch. the lure of
400+ boats is just to great.
For the unknowing foriegners thats a 3250 km drive with an overnight
ferry crossing thrown in.
Thats one way. at the end is 4 days of wooden , particularly home
built boats in a harbour full of resteraunts.
If theres anybody on the list thats already there , please say hello.
oh and do have a space where we can put down some swags?
Cheers paul
> In a big storm, I would feel safer in port. You are welcome to tryactually Don I was looking at a way to save money on the ferry to
> it, come down and borrow mine :)
> DonB
>
>
Hobart next year Can you spare the micro?
With good luck and carefull driving we hope to tow the folding
schooner to hobart for the Wooden boat festival inMarch. the lure of
400+ boats is just to great.
For the unknowing foriegners thats a 3250 km drive with an overnight
ferry crossing thrown in.
Thats one way. at the end is 4 days of wooden , particularly home
built boats in a harbour full of resteraunts.
If theres anybody on the list thats already there , please say hello.
oh and do have a space where we can put down some swags?
Cheers paul
I like your optimism Nels, but I think you underestimate the sea.
The Navigators hull is all 1/4" ply, as designed for ocean cruising,
and the sides are not bowed out. The front is veed, but when such a
light boat is being turned inside out by confused seas, you could be
struck from anywhere.(we are talking about the house here). The full
force of a flung wave top would swipe the house off before the hull
could ride with the punch, 1/4" or 1/2" ply, in my humble opinion.
In a big storm, I would feel safer in port. You are welcome to try
it, come down and borrow mine :)
DonB
The Navigators hull is all 1/4" ply, as designed for ocean cruising,
and the sides are not bowed out. The front is veed, but when such a
light boat is being turned inside out by confused seas, you could be
struck from anywhere.(we are talking about the house here). The full
force of a flung wave top would swipe the house off before the hull
could ride with the punch, 1/4" or 1/2" ply, in my humble opinion.
In a big storm, I would feel safer in port. You are welcome to try
it, come down and borrow mine :)
DonB
--- In bolger@y..., "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
> > That's right, or half a ton of wavetop flung sideways against a
> > vertical 1/2" ply face.
>
> IMHO Don, 1/2 inch ply - properly glassed could easily withstand a
> half ton of wave top. Particularly when it is bowed outward and
> supported by interior bracing. Let's not forget that the hull will
> heel and flex to absorb the pressure of the wave and it will not
be a
> direct perpendicular blow occuring all at once. Weight is not the
> same as force either. Striking a piece of reef while sailing
downwind
> would likely do far more damage as the force for unit area would
be
> many times what it would be with water. Navigator may be safer at
sea
> in a big storm than near shoals or breaking seas over reefs and
near
> cliffs. I think what PCB&F's were trying to mitigate in the
original
> design was the need to go on deck and the threat of swamping. I
would
> guess that there are a lot of boats less capable than Navigator
that
> go offshore all the time. One example might be the Potter and the
> Drascombe lugger or whatever it is called. Nels (Getting in over
my
> head once again;-))
Nels,
The newest thing I could find with a casusal Google search was this press
release from a 1996
exhibit.
Justin
456 NORTH CAMDEN DRIVE
BEVERLY HILLS CA 90210
TEL 310 271 9400
FAX 310 271 9420
info@...
CHRIS BURDEN : Three Ghost Ships
Jul 11 - Aug 30, 1996
Opening Reception for the Artist, Thursday, July 11, 1996 6:00-8:00pm
Chris Burden's Three Ghost Ships is a trio of actual sailboats, fitted with
solar panels, electronic gear, and global satellite hookup for unmanned
navigation. The artist intended these seemingly innocent vessels to carry a
small amount of tea, sail in unison from Charleston, South Carolina, and
appear miraculously in the harbor of Plymouth, England.
Burden carefully selected the sites: The Mayflower embarked from Plymouth,
and Charleston is home to major United States air, naval, and Polaris
submarine bases. The artist also invokes the Boston Tea Party, as well as
Christopher Columbus's own triad of vessels. There is, however, a sinister
underside. Could these three electronic pleasure crafts be used to transport
dangerous cargo anonymously? Three Ghost Ships epitomizes Chris Burden's
masterful fusion of real machinery and complex metaphor.
In the Gagosian Gallery installation, the computer within one of the Ghost
Ships will be programmed periodically to unfurl its sail, pivot its rudder,
and simulate the mechanisms of automatic navigation.
The exhibition will be accompanied by a selection of Burden's Small Guns,
elegant groupings of toy instruments of war and domination, including metal
soldiers, plastic hand grenades, simulated bombs, and two pairs of Chinese
foot-binding slippers.
A retrospective exhibition of Chris Burden's work can be seen at the
MAK-Austrian Museum of Applied Arts, Vienna, until August 4, 1996.
For more information, please contact the gallery at (310) 271-9400.
The newest thing I could find with a casusal Google search was this press
release from a 1996
exhibit.
Justin
> Wow, That is truly amazing - I wonder where they ended up?PRESS RELEASE
>
456 NORTH CAMDEN DRIVE
BEVERLY HILLS CA 90210
TEL 310 271 9400
FAX 310 271 9420
info@...
CHRIS BURDEN : Three Ghost Ships
Jul 11 - Aug 30, 1996
Opening Reception for the Artist, Thursday, July 11, 1996 6:00-8:00pm
Chris Burden's Three Ghost Ships is a trio of actual sailboats, fitted with
solar panels, electronic gear, and global satellite hookup for unmanned
navigation. The artist intended these seemingly innocent vessels to carry a
small amount of tea, sail in unison from Charleston, South Carolina, and
appear miraculously in the harbor of Plymouth, England.
Burden carefully selected the sites: The Mayflower embarked from Plymouth,
and Charleston is home to major United States air, naval, and Polaris
submarine bases. The artist also invokes the Boston Tea Party, as well as
Christopher Columbus's own triad of vessels. There is, however, a sinister
underside. Could these three electronic pleasure crafts be used to transport
dangerous cargo anonymously? Three Ghost Ships epitomizes Chris Burden's
masterful fusion of real machinery and complex metaphor.
In the Gagosian Gallery installation, the computer within one of the Ghost
Ships will be programmed periodically to unfurl its sail, pivot its rudder,
and simulate the mechanisms of automatic navigation.
The exhibition will be accompanied by a selection of Burden's Small Guns,
elegant groupings of toy instruments of war and domination, including metal
soldiers, plastic hand grenades, simulated bombs, and two pairs of Chinese
foot-binding slippers.
A retrospective exhibition of Chris Burden's work can be seen at the
MAK-Austrian Museum of Applied Arts, Vienna, until August 4, 1996.
For more information, please contact the gallery at (310) 271-9400.
Wow, That is truly amazing - I wonder where they ended up?
Also I like the name of that Norwalk Island Sharpie:
"Sailbad the Sinner"
Probably been used before ... Nels
Also I like the name of that Norwalk Island Sharpie:
"Sailbad the Sinner"
Probably been used before ... Nels
--- In bolger@y..., "Justin Meddock" <jmeddock@n...> wrote:
> Burden's Micrae in Museum....
>
>http://www.seaislandboatworks.com/past_projects1.htm
>
> near the bottom of the page.
>
> Justin
>
> > believe I remember reading somewhere that Chris Burden is some
type of NYC
> > 'performance artist' and that he had these built, displayed them
awhile,
> > then had a little event and launched them in the Atlantic as if
they were
> > small toy sailboats, sending them on their way using Micro's self-
steering
> > feature with the mizzen set to hold a course.
Burden's Micrae in Museum....
http://www.seaislandboatworks.com/past_projects1.htm
near the bottom of the page.
Justin
http://www.seaislandboatworks.com/past_projects1.htm
near the bottom of the page.
Justin
> believe I remember reading somewhere that Chris Burden is some type of NYC
> 'performance artist' and that he had these built, displayed them awhile,
> then had a little event and launched them in the Atlantic as if they were
> small toy sailboats, sending them on their way using Micro's self-steering
> feature with the mizzen set to hold a course.
When we talk about boats going down on long ocean transits there is
usually no crew to provide an accounting for the circumstances. I
have been out on the Pacific with a wacko captain fishing for
Albacore and he knew we still had a three hundred mile trip to safe
harbor but we fished until the hold was filled before turning and
running from the storm much to late. I remember chugging up the back
of these huge waves with a single cylinder Morse-fairbanks engine
then surfing down a 35ft face on the other side. I prayed aloud
thanking the Lord we were not going to weather! We had waves crash
over the whole boat and the boat had plain glass windows. Once the
storm hit there was no talk of opening the door to the deck.
If we had hit a log or another boat there would be no tales of how
it all ended. A Micro Navigator should go where any fishing boat has
if you built it and know how it's constructed. Would I cross an ocean
in a micro, No. Not because of any safety issues. I am a big guy and
I would need twice the room for all the safety gear I would go with.
I am not a minimalist sailor as some are. I enjoy a lot of water line
and preferably a double ender for handling in storms. Someday a
person might swim around the world, does that mean I need to do it?
A micro can and probably will be sailed around the world or across
an ocean but I won't be on it.
John
usually no crew to provide an accounting for the circumstances. I
have been out on the Pacific with a wacko captain fishing for
Albacore and he knew we still had a three hundred mile trip to safe
harbor but we fished until the hold was filled before turning and
running from the storm much to late. I remember chugging up the back
of these huge waves with a single cylinder Morse-fairbanks engine
then surfing down a 35ft face on the other side. I prayed aloud
thanking the Lord we were not going to weather! We had waves crash
over the whole boat and the boat had plain glass windows. Once the
storm hit there was no talk of opening the door to the deck.
If we had hit a log or another boat there would be no tales of how
it all ended. A Micro Navigator should go where any fishing boat has
if you built it and know how it's constructed. Would I cross an ocean
in a micro, No. Not because of any safety issues. I am a big guy and
I would need twice the room for all the safety gear I would go with.
I am not a minimalist sailor as some are. I enjoy a lot of water line
and preferably a double ender for handling in storms. Someday a
person might swim around the world, does that mean I need to do it?
A micro can and probably will be sailed around the world or across
an ocean but I won't be on it.
John
--- In bolger@y..., "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
> > That's right, or half a ton of wavetop flung sideways against a
> > vertical 1/2" ply face.
>
> IMHO Don, 1/2 inch ply - properly glassed could easily withstand a
> half ton of wave top. Particularly when it is bowed outward and
> supported by interior bracing. Let's not forget that the hull will
> heel and flex to absorb the pressure of the wave and it will not be
a
> direct perpendicular blow occuring all at once. Weight is not the
> same as force either. Striking a piece of reef while sailing
downwind
> would likely do far more damage as the force for unit area would be
> many times what it would be with water. Navigator may be safer at
sea
> in a big storm than near shoals or breaking seas over reefs and
near
> cliffs. I think what PCB&F's were trying to mitigate in the
original
> design was the need to go on deck and the threat of swamping. I
would
> guess that there are a lot of boats less capable than Navigator
that
> go offshore all the time. One example might be the Potter and the
> Drascombe lugger or whatever it is called. Nels (Getting in over my
> head once again;-))
--- In bolger@y..., "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
half ton of wave top. Particularly when it is bowed outward and
supported by interior bracing. Let's not forget that the hull will
heel and flex to absorb the pressure of the wave and it will not be a
direct perpendicular blow occuring all at once. Weight is not the
same as force either. Striking a piece of reef while sailing downwind
would likely do far more damage as the force for unit area would be
many times what it would be with water. Navigator may be safer at sea
in a big storm than near shoals or breaking seas over reefs and near
cliffs. I think what PCB&F's were trying to mitigate in the original
design was the need to go on deck and the threat of swamping. I would
guess that there are a lot of boats less capable than Navigator that
go offshore all the time. One example might be the Potter and the
Drascombe lugger or whatever it is called. Nels (Getting in over my
head once again;-))
> That's right, or half a ton of wavetop flung sideways against aIMHO Don, 1/2 inch ply - properly glassed could easily withstand a
> vertical 1/2" ply face.
half ton of wave top. Particularly when it is bowed outward and
supported by interior bracing. Let's not forget that the hull will
heel and flex to absorb the pressure of the wave and it will not be a
direct perpendicular blow occuring all at once. Weight is not the
same as force either. Striking a piece of reef while sailing downwind
would likely do far more damage as the force for unit area would be
many times what it would be with water. Navigator may be safer at sea
in a big storm than near shoals or breaking seas over reefs and near
cliffs. I think what PCB&F's were trying to mitigate in the original
design was the need to go on deck and the threat of swamping. I would
guess that there are a lot of boats less capable than Navigator that
go offshore all the time. One example might be the Potter and the
Drascombe lugger or whatever it is called. Nels (Getting in over my
head once again;-))
That's right, or half a ton of wavetop flung sideways against a
vertical 1/2" ply face.
There was a chilling tv doco a few years ago here in NZ, after a
storm wiped out a fleet racing to the pacific islands from Auckland.
Video footage from an airforce plane was bad enough, even though the
view from the air is nothing like as bad as at sea level. But worse
was the radio link with a well found conservative yacht in the race,
over several hours as the crew were becoming more and more
frightened for their lives. They were not sinking, just becoming
overwhelmed, and their voices betrayed it. Eventually there were no
replies to the land radio.
Sorry, I can't accept that a Micro Navigator should be at sea in a
storm, which is what you must accept if you decide to go offshore
DonB.
vertical 1/2" ply face.
There was a chilling tv doco a few years ago here in NZ, after a
storm wiped out a fleet racing to the pacific islands from Auckland.
Video footage from an airforce plane was bad enough, even though the
view from the air is nothing like as bad as at sea level. But worse
was the radio link with a well found conservative yacht in the race,
over several hours as the crew were becoming more and more
frightened for their lives. They were not sinking, just becoming
overwhelmed, and their voices betrayed it. Eventually there were no
replies to the land radio.
Sorry, I can't accept that a Micro Navigator should be at sea in a
storm, which is what you must accept if you decide to go offshore
DonB.
--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> A deckhouse doesn't have to be flimsy. I stitched and taped mine
out of 1/2"
> mdo and 2" glass tape, and the lexan is stronger than the ply. I'm
a pretty
> big guy, and I can crawl around on top of it without any problems.
>
> Then again, that's not the same as a 25ft wave breaking over the
boat
> either...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dbaldnz" <oink@p...>
> To: <bolger@y...>
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:32 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro Ocean Crossing?
>
>
> > I too am building a Navigator, slowed down at present by too much
> > work work....frustrating.
> > I also mentioned to Bolger that I would be using it for coastal
> > hopping, as I did not consider such a craft suitable for ocean
work.
> > I mean real oceans such as the Tasman sea. He agreed with that,
so
> > there are limits for would-be Navigator circumnavigators. He said
> > she was originally designed for an Australian who wished to
> > circumnavigate his country, but frankly, he can have it!
> > Can you really believe this design would survive a full-on storm
at
> > sea with the large flimsy deckhouse? John Ryding disappeared in
the
> > Tasman Sea in Sea Egg a few decades ago, and she was as smooth
as an
> > egg, as survivable as a ping pong ball, and as safe as any yacht
> > could be, I would have thought. Navigator in that situation
makes me
> > shudder.
> >
> > DonB
> >
> > > --- "twind613" <twind59@h...> wrote:
> > > > As an adult I have been interested
> > > > in the Micro and Long-Micro
> > > > designs.
> > > > Is anyone aware of either of these
> > > > designs making a successful
> > > > Atlantic crossing?
> > >
> > > The 'Navigator' upgrade for Micro was
> > > designed in response to someone's request
> > > for a minimum global cruiser Micro upgrade,
> > > and PC&B gave is a fair shot; but I believe
> > > that they believe that to *actually* globally
> > > cruise in the Micro Navigator would take a
> > > Whack-O.
> > >
> > > :) :) :)
> > >
> > > Hypothetically of course, [not to suggest that
> > > you, personally, are a Whack-O], <big grin>.
> > >
> > > Personally, I think Micro Navigator could
> > > survive most any storm you encountered,
> > > but carrying enough water and food might be
> > > hard.
> > >
> > > Actually, maybe *I* am Whack-O, as I am
> > > presently trying to work on building a
> > > Micro Navigator. (Delayed a few months
> > > as I had to move to a new house, and
> > > my tools and workspace are in shambles.)
> > >
> > > --- "twind613" <twind59@h...> wrote:
> > > > As an adult I have been interested
> > > > in the Micro and Long-Micro
> > > > designs.
> > > > Is anyone aware of either of these
> > > > designs making a successful
> > > > Atlantic crossing?
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead
horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks,
Fred' posts
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and
<snip> away
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@y...
> > - Open discussion: bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@y...
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
In the Files section of the 'first' Bolger Yahoo group, under Micro, is a
photo of the three 'chris burden micros'; I may be the whacko here, but I
believe I remember reading somewhere that Chris Burden is some type of NYC
'performance artist' and that he had these built, displayed them awhile,
then had a little event and launched them in the Atlantic as if they were
small toy sailboats, sending them on their way using Micro's self-steering
feature with the mizzen set to hold a course. I heard some, perhaps all 3,
actually made it across to France or someplace. Can anyone chime in on this
and tell me if this is correct, or if I'm way off base? In any case,
presuming they did in fact made it across the Atlantic intact, it still
doesn't mean it would've been an enjoyable ride for a human aboard one of
them, not to mention whether there is enough carrying capacity for stores,
etc....
Then again, the German physician Hannes Lindermann made it across the
Atlantic in a Klepper folding kayak in 1956, using the technology, clothing,
and equipment of the day. I have a 1966 vintage Klepper identical to his
which I've put alot of miles under, and while it's a remarkably capable
little boat, I cannot even begin to imagine an ocean crossing in it. I have
his book "Alone at Sea", in which he essentially qualifies himself as a very
intelligent, educated whacko right up front. The trip nearly killed him, but
he got lots of good scientific data on the breakdown of his physiological
systems along the way, drinking salt water and eating raw fish. There was
apparently a very strong element of luck in his living to write about his
trip.
it takes all kinds....
Paul Lefebvre
photo of the three 'chris burden micros'; I may be the whacko here, but I
believe I remember reading somewhere that Chris Burden is some type of NYC
'performance artist' and that he had these built, displayed them awhile,
then had a little event and launched them in the Atlantic as if they were
small toy sailboats, sending them on their way using Micro's self-steering
feature with the mizzen set to hold a course. I heard some, perhaps all 3,
actually made it across to France or someplace. Can anyone chime in on this
and tell me if this is correct, or if I'm way off base? In any case,
presuming they did in fact made it across the Atlantic intact, it still
doesn't mean it would've been an enjoyable ride for a human aboard one of
them, not to mention whether there is enough carrying capacity for stores,
etc....
Then again, the German physician Hannes Lindermann made it across the
Atlantic in a Klepper folding kayak in 1956, using the technology, clothing,
and equipment of the day. I have a 1966 vintage Klepper identical to his
which I've put alot of miles under, and while it's a remarkably capable
little boat, I cannot even begin to imagine an ocean crossing in it. I have
his book "Alone at Sea", in which he essentially qualifies himself as a very
intelligent, educated whacko right up front. The trip nearly killed him, but
he got lots of good scientific data on the breakdown of his physiological
systems along the way, drinking salt water and eating raw fish. There was
apparently a very strong element of luck in his living to write about his
trip.
it takes all kinds....
Paul Lefebvre
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brucehallman [mailto:brucehallman@...]
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro Ocean Crossing?
> --- "twind613" <twind59@h...> wrote:
> > As an adult I have been interested
> > in the Micro and Long-Micro
> > designs.
> > Is anyone aware of either of these
> > designs making a successful
> > Atlantic crossing?
>
> The 'Navigator' upgrade for Micro ....
> would take a
> Whack-O.
>
> :) :) :)
>
A deckhouse doesn't have to be flimsy. I stitched and taped mine out of 1/2"
mdo and 2" glass tape, and the lexan is stronger than the ply. I'm a pretty
big guy, and I can crawl around on top of it without any problems.
Then again, that's not the same as a 25ft wave breaking over the boat
either...
mdo and 2" glass tape, and the lexan is stronger than the ply. I'm a pretty
big guy, and I can crawl around on top of it without any problems.
Then again, that's not the same as a 25ft wave breaking over the boat
either...
----- Original Message -----
From: "dbaldnz" <oink@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:32 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro Ocean Crossing?
> I too am building a Navigator, slowed down at present by too much
> work work....frustrating.
> I also mentioned to Bolger that I would be using it for coastal
> hopping, as I did not consider such a craft suitable for ocean work.
> I mean real oceans such as the Tasman sea. He agreed with that, so
> there are limits for would-be Navigator circumnavigators. He said
> she was originally designed for an Australian who wished to
> circumnavigate his country, but frankly, he can have it!
> Can you really believe this design would survive a full-on storm at
> sea with the large flimsy deckhouse? John Ryding disappeared in the
> Tasman Sea in Sea Egg a few decades ago, and she was as smooth as an
> egg, as survivable as a ping pong ball, and as safe as any yacht
> could be, I would have thought. Navigator in that situation makes me
> shudder.
>
> DonB
>
> > --- "twind613" <twind59@h...> wrote:
> > > As an adult I have been interested
> > > in the Micro and Long-Micro
> > > designs.
> > > Is anyone aware of either of these
> > > designs making a successful
> > > Atlantic crossing?
> >
> > The 'Navigator' upgrade for Micro was
> > designed in response to someone's request
> > for a minimum global cruiser Micro upgrade,
> > and PC&B gave is a fair shot; but I believe
> > that they believe that to *actually* globally
> > cruise in the Micro Navigator would take a
> > Whack-O.
> >
> > :) :) :)
> >
> > Hypothetically of course, [not to suggest that
> > you, personally, are a Whack-O], <big grin>.
> >
> > Personally, I think Micro Navigator could
> > survive most any storm you encountered,
> > but carrying enough water and food might be
> > hard.
> >
> > Actually, maybe *I* am Whack-O, as I am
> > presently trying to work on building a
> > Micro Navigator. (Delayed a few months
> > as I had to move to a new house, and
> > my tools and workspace are in shambles.)
> >
> > --- "twind613" <twind59@h...> wrote:
> > > As an adult I have been interested
> > > in the Micro and Long-Micro
> > > designs.
> > > Is anyone aware of either of these
> > > designs making a successful
> > > Atlantic crossing?
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
I too am building a Navigator, slowed down at present by too much
work work....frustrating.
I also mentioned to Bolger that I would be using it for coastal
hopping, as I did not consider such a craft suitable for ocean work.
I mean real oceans such as the Tasman sea. He agreed with that, so
there are limits for would-be Navigator circumnavigators. He said
she was originally designed for an Australian who wished to
circumnavigate his country, but frankly, he can have it!
Can you really believe this design would survive a full-on storm at
sea with the large flimsy deckhouse? John Ryding disappeared in the
Tasman Sea in Sea Egg a few decades ago, and she was as smooth as an
egg, as survivable as a ping pong ball, and as safe as any yacht
could be, I would have thought. Navigator in that situation makes me
shudder.
DonB
work work....frustrating.
I also mentioned to Bolger that I would be using it for coastal
hopping, as I did not consider such a craft suitable for ocean work.
I mean real oceans such as the Tasman sea. He agreed with that, so
there are limits for would-be Navigator circumnavigators. He said
she was originally designed for an Australian who wished to
circumnavigate his country, but frankly, he can have it!
Can you really believe this design would survive a full-on storm at
sea with the large flimsy deckhouse? John Ryding disappeared in the
Tasman Sea in Sea Egg a few decades ago, and she was as smooth as an
egg, as survivable as a ping pong ball, and as safe as any yacht
could be, I would have thought. Navigator in that situation makes me
shudder.
DonB
> --- "twind613" <twind59@h...> wrote:
> > As an adult I have been interested
> > in the Micro and Long-Micro
> > designs.
> > Is anyone aware of either of these
> > designs making a successful
> > Atlantic crossing?
>
> The 'Navigator' upgrade for Micro was
> designed in response to someone's request
> for a minimum global cruiser Micro upgrade,
> and PC&B gave is a fair shot; but I believe
> that they believe that to *actually* globally
> cruise in the Micro Navigator would take a
> Whack-O.
>
> :) :) :)
>
> Hypothetically of course, [not to suggest that
> you, personally, are a Whack-O], <big grin>.
>
> Personally, I think Micro Navigator could
> survive most any storm you encountered,
> but carrying enough water and food might be
> hard.
>
> Actually, maybe *I* am Whack-O, as I am
> presently trying to work on building a
> Micro Navigator. (Delayed a few months
> as I had to move to a new house, and
> my tools and workspace are in shambles.)
>
> --- "twind613" <twind59@h...> wrote:
> > As an adult I have been interested
> > in the Micro and Long-Micro
> > designs.
> > Is anyone aware of either of these
> > designs making a successful
> > Atlantic crossing?
--- "twind613" <twind59@h...> wrote:
designed in response to someone's request
for a minimum global cruiser Micro upgrade,
and PC&B gave is a fair shot; but I believe
that they believe that to *actually* globally
cruise in the Micro Navigator would take a
Whack-O.
:) :) :)
Hypothetically of course, [not to suggest that
you, personally, are a Whack-O], <big grin>.
Personally, I think Micro Navigator could
survive most any storm you encountered,
but carrying enough water and food might be
hard.
Actually, maybe *I* am Whack-O, as I am
presently trying to work on building a
Micro Navigator. (Delayed a few months
as I had to move to a new house, and
my tools and workspace are in shambles.)
--- "twind613" <twind59@h...> wrote:
> As an adult I have been interestedThe 'Navigator' upgrade for Micro was
> in the Micro and Long-Micro
> designs.
> Is anyone aware of either of these
> designs making a successful
> Atlantic crossing?
designed in response to someone's request
for a minimum global cruiser Micro upgrade,
and PC&B gave is a fair shot; but I believe
that they believe that to *actually* globally
cruise in the Micro Navigator would take a
Whack-O.
:) :) :)
Hypothetically of course, [not to suggest that
you, personally, are a Whack-O], <big grin>.
Personally, I think Micro Navigator could
survive most any storm you encountered,
but carrying enough water and food might be
hard.
Actually, maybe *I* am Whack-O, as I am
presently trying to work on building a
Micro Navigator. (Delayed a few months
as I had to move to a new house, and
my tools and workspace are in shambles.)
--- "twind613" <twind59@h...> wrote:
> As an adult I have been interested
> in the Micro and Long-Micro
> designs.
> Is anyone aware of either of these
> designs making a successful
> Atlantic crossing?
As a boy I was intrigued by the Robert Manry book, "Tinkerbelle" that
documented his transatlantic voyage in a small sailboat.
As an adult I have been interested in the Micro and Long-Micro
designs.
Is anyone aware of either of these designs making a successful
Atlantic crossing? I would be interested to hear about "any" lengthy
voyages in these boats. Thanks
Barry
documented his transatlantic voyage in a small sailboat.
As an adult I have been interested in the Micro and Long-Micro
designs.
Is anyone aware of either of these designs making a successful
Atlantic crossing? I would be interested to hear about "any" lengthy
voyages in these boats. Thanks
Barry