Re: [bolger] Re: Boating fatalities
Because if you fall down drunk on the land you don't drown, you just get a bloody nose.
John Cupp wrote:
John Cupp wrote:
> I realize that many unfortunates die every day on land from their
> own stupidity but why is the percentage per-capita larger when it
> comes to devices that float on the water?
Bill, please curtail your humorous posts because my neck and back
injuries cannot stand another 15 minute bout of uncontrolled
laughter! I did enjoy your post to the point of pain. The whole idea
of intoxicated males showing their loyalty to a truck brand by
posting annoying stickers of urinating trolls oppressing what they
believe is competition from a giant corporation's products must be
the ultimate sticker artists dream.
Now I must find an artist to draw another troll with a brand name
beer sweatshirt falling from the transom of a boat holding his wee
knee with the caption, "Thank the LORD for Darwin's theory" or "Gene
Pool" reject. Although back in the days when I did partake of
libation I would spike my morning coffee with good cognac after
freezing my hands while baiting a longline. And what of the chummers
who heartily heave their guts out when you ask them if they want a
greasy pork chop for lunch? How many of them have needed mouth wash
before speaking to St. Peter at the pearly gates after perishing in
the deep?
I realize that many unfortunates die every day on land from their
own stupidity but why is the percentage per-capita larger when it
comes to devices that float on the water?
John
injuries cannot stand another 15 minute bout of uncontrolled
laughter! I did enjoy your post to the point of pain. The whole idea
of intoxicated males showing their loyalty to a truck brand by
posting annoying stickers of urinating trolls oppressing what they
believe is competition from a giant corporation's products must be
the ultimate sticker artists dream.
Now I must find an artist to draw another troll with a brand name
beer sweatshirt falling from the transom of a boat holding his wee
knee with the caption, "Thank the LORD for Darwin's theory" or "Gene
Pool" reject. Although back in the days when I did partake of
libation I would spike my morning coffee with good cognac after
freezing my hands while baiting a longline. And what of the chummers
who heartily heave their guts out when you ask them if they want a
greasy pork chop for lunch? How many of them have needed mouth wash
before speaking to St. Peter at the pearly gates after perishing in
the deep?
I realize that many unfortunates die every day on land from their
own stupidity but why is the percentage per-capita larger when it
comes to devices that float on the water?
John
--- In bolger@y..., wmrpage@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/25/02 11:22:02 AM Central Daylight Time,
> arvent@h... writes:
>
> > In talking to RCMP and DNR people, a signifcant number of the
bodies
> > that are recovered have one thing in common. Their fly is open.
> >
>
> The infamous "Male-Falling-Out-Of-The-Boat-While-Drunk-And-Taking-A-
Leak"
> syndrome. Anecdotal evidence suggests that this is a common cause
of
> fatality below the 49th parallel as well as above it. One wouldn't
suspect it
> by newspaper accounts, but perhaps there is a certain solicitude
toward the
> decedents' survivors on the part of the press.
>
> Bolger (BWAOM, #14 - "Motor Canoe") identifies shipping water over
a corner
> of the stern as the commonest cause of swamping in small outboards.
He
> suggests that working on the motor is the reason that those swamped
boaters
> were standing back there, but this surmise may be biased by
evidence provided
> by survivors, who might be disinclined to admit that they were
> "MFOOTBWDATAL". The bodies of decedents recovered from the drink
don't leave
> any evidence of where they were standing before they went
overboard.
>
> I anticipate warning labels on transoms will become de rigeur in
the U.S.A.
> as soon as some enterprising plaintiffs' attorney persuades a jury
that a
> deep-pocketed boat manufacturer should be held liable for the death
of a
> "MFOOTBWDATAL" for failure to warn the decedent that attempting to
piss over
> the transom while intoxicated might result in injury or death.
Graphic arts
> designers take note of this impending opportunity!!
>
> Those decals in the rear windows of pickup trucks showing a rear
view of a
> maliciously gleeful urchin pissing on the logo of a competing brand
while
> evidently using a two-handed grip on his pecker, with a red circle
and
> diagonal bar superimposed upon it, might be a good start.
Alterations in his
> posture and expression might be required to avoid conveying the
impression
> that pissing over the transom is to be encouraged. Personally, I'd
go for
> replacing the disgusting urchin's visage with that of Alfred E.
Neumann
> (Newman?), but that would create copyright problems and "experts"
might find
> it too ironic to convey the required cautionary message.
>
> Ciao for Niao,
> Bill in MN
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
In a message dated 10/25/02 11:22:02 AM Central Daylight Time,
arvent@...writes:
syndrome. Anecdotal evidence suggests that this is a common cause of
fatality below the 49th parallel as well as above it. One wouldn't suspect it
by newspaper accounts, but perhaps there is a certain solicitude toward the
decedents' survivors on the part of the press.
Bolger (BWAOM, #14 - "Motor Canoe") identifies shipping water over a corner
of the stern as the commonest cause of swamping in small outboards. He
suggests that working on the motor is the reason that those swamped boaters
were standing back there, but this surmise may be biased by evidence provided
by survivors, who might be disinclined to admit that they were
"MFOOTBWDATAL". The bodies of decedents recovered from the drink don't leave
any evidence of where they were standing before they went overboard.
I anticipate warning labels on transoms will become de rigeur in the U.S.A.
as soon as some enterprising plaintiffs' attorney persuades a jury that a
deep-pocketed boat manufacturer should be held liable for the death of a
"MFOOTBWDATAL" for failure to warn the decedent that attempting to piss over
the transom while intoxicated might result in injury or death. Graphic arts
designers take note of this impending opportunity!!
Those decals in the rear windows of pickup trucks showing a rear view of a
maliciously gleeful urchin pissing on the logo of a competing brand while
evidently using a two-handed grip on his pecker, with a red circle and
diagonal bar superimposed upon it, might be a good start. Alterations in his
posture and expression might be required to avoid conveying the impression
that pissing over the transom is to be encouraged. Personally, I'd go for
replacing the disgusting urchin's visage with that of Alfred E. Neumann
(Newman?), but that would create copyright problems and "experts" might find
it too ironic to convey the required cautionary message.
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
arvent@...writes:
> In talking to RCMP and DNR people, a signifcant number of the bodiesThe infamous "Male-Falling-Out-Of-The-Boat-While-Drunk-And-Taking-A-Leak"
> that are recovered have one thing in common. Their fly is open.
>
syndrome. Anecdotal evidence suggests that this is a common cause of
fatality below the 49th parallel as well as above it. One wouldn't suspect it
by newspaper accounts, but perhaps there is a certain solicitude toward the
decedents' survivors on the part of the press.
Bolger (BWAOM, #14 - "Motor Canoe") identifies shipping water over a corner
of the stern as the commonest cause of swamping in small outboards. He
suggests that working on the motor is the reason that those swamped boaters
were standing back there, but this surmise may be biased by evidence provided
by survivors, who might be disinclined to admit that they were
"MFOOTBWDATAL". The bodies of decedents recovered from the drink don't leave
any evidence of where they were standing before they went overboard.
I anticipate warning labels on transoms will become de rigeur in the U.S.A.
as soon as some enterprising plaintiffs' attorney persuades a jury that a
deep-pocketed boat manufacturer should be held liable for the death of a
"MFOOTBWDATAL" for failure to warn the decedent that attempting to piss over
the transom while intoxicated might result in injury or death. Graphic arts
designers take note of this impending opportunity!!
Those decals in the rear windows of pickup trucks showing a rear view of a
maliciously gleeful urchin pissing on the logo of a competing brand while
evidently using a two-handed grip on his pecker, with a red circle and
diagonal bar superimposed upon it, might be a good start. Alterations in his
posture and expression might be required to avoid conveying the impression
that pissing over the transom is to be encouraged. Personally, I'd go for
replacing the disgusting urchin's visage with that of Alfred E. Neumann
(Newman?), but that would create copyright problems and "experts" might find
it too ironic to convey the required cautionary message.
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
It wouldn't take a whole of power lot to start lighting fires...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:52 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Boating fatalities
> Richard,
> I would go for an onboard generator or more batteries to ensure
> max power with laser to attain permanent results.( certainly more
> then their eyeballs ;-) ) Once the organic elements had been
> vapourized up to the atmosphere,there vessel could be sold off at
> an"auction" to beefin up the old cruising kitty or other noble cause.
> Afterall,there is no shortage of humanity on the planet
> and "screening" out a few of the worst examples sure can't hurt!
> Arrrgghh,
> Peter Lenihan,trying to remember where he last left his Buck Rogers
> suit,before the fun begins...........
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> > Maybe a low power laser to blind them? (temporarily?)
> >
>
>
>
>
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I've always felt that fly fishing was dangerous.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nels [mailto:arvent@...]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:21 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Boating fatalities
-----Original Message-----
From: Nels [mailto:arvent@...]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:21 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Boating fatalities
--- In bolger@y..., "GarthAB" <garth@b...> wrote:
> There's a ton of info here for the morbidly curious. It's all very
> sobering and makes me want to wear a PFD even here at my computer.
>
>All best,
> Garth
Related to my job I used to travel in Canada servicing the weather
equipemnt at northern airports.
Each spring, like clockwork there are a number of drownings amongst
the sports fishing group. Many arrive just after the ice is gone and
the water is still extremely cold. Most are out in small aluminum
boats. Few wear their life jackets, a lot of drinking and no keeping
a 'weather eye out". Many accidents happen when a sudden cold front
bombs through or some other weather related event occurs.
In talking to RCMP and DNR people, a signifcant number of the bodies
that are recovered have one thing in common. Their fly is open.
What a shocking thought! Nels
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--- In bolger@y..., "GarthAB" <garth@b...> wrote:
equipemnt at northern airports.
Each spring, like clockwork there are a number of drownings amongst
the sports fishing group. Many arrive just after the ice is gone and
the water is still extremely cold. Most are out in small aluminum
boats. Few wear their life jackets, a lot of drinking and no keeping
a 'weather eye out". Many accidents happen when a sudden cold front
bombs through or some other weather related event occurs.
In talking to RCMP and DNR people, a signifcant number of the bodies
that are recovered have one thing in common. Their fly is open.
What a shocking thought! Nels
> There's a ton of info here for the morbidly curious. It's all veryRelated to my job I used to travel in Canada servicing the weather
> sobering and makes me want to wear a PFD even here at my computer.
>
>All best,
> Garth
equipemnt at northern airports.
Each spring, like clockwork there are a number of drownings amongst
the sports fishing group. Many arrive just after the ice is gone and
the water is still extremely cold. Most are out in small aluminum
boats. Few wear their life jackets, a lot of drinking and no keeping
a 'weather eye out". Many accidents happen when a sudden cold front
bombs through or some other weather related event occurs.
In talking to RCMP and DNR people, a signifcant number of the bodies
that are recovered have one thing in common. Their fly is open.
What a shocking thought! Nels
Richard,
I would go for an onboard generator or more batteries to ensure
max power with laser to attain permanent results.( certainly more
then their eyeballs ;-) ) Once the organic elements had been
vapourized up to the atmosphere,there vessel could be sold off at
an"auction" to beefin up the old cruising kitty or other noble cause.
Afterall,there is no shortage of humanity on the planet
and "screening" out a few of the worst examples sure can't hurt!
Arrrgghh,
Peter Lenihan,trying to remember where he last left his Buck Rogers
suit,before the fun begins...........
I would go for an onboard generator or more batteries to ensure
max power with laser to attain permanent results.( certainly more
then their eyeballs ;-) ) Once the organic elements had been
vapourized up to the atmosphere,there vessel could be sold off at
an"auction" to beefin up the old cruising kitty or other noble cause.
Afterall,there is no shortage of humanity on the planet
and "screening" out a few of the worst examples sure can't hurt!
Arrrgghh,
Peter Lenihan,trying to remember where he last left his Buck Rogers
suit,before the fun begins...........
--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> Maybe a low power laser to blind them? (temporarily?)
>
The original post was, to paraphrase, "One 400ft cargo ship a day".
I could see "one ship/boat/yatch a day" easisly, probably more.
I could see "one ship/boat/yatch a day" easisly, probably more.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 7:09 AM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Boating fatalities
> David and all,
>
> I believe it. After twenty years in the shipping business, the list of
> casualties reported daily in Lloyds List still makes my hair stand on
> end. Gentlemen, there are more than a few ships out there, in fact
> there's a whole lot (Lloyds Register of Ships has 140,000 entries for
> active ships). That's just the big guys. Do the math; one a day ain't
> bad, all things considered.
>
> Remembering to keep a good lookout,
>
> David Romasco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Ryan [mailto:david@...]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:08 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Boating fatalities
>
>
> I found it hard to believe too, and I told him so. But he insisted.
> And after all, he's the former Alaskan commercial fisherman turn
> professional journalist for Time. I'll ask him for his sources.
>
> -D
>
> >One a day? 300 plus a year? I find that hard to believe. Maybe one a
> year.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
> >To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:33 AM
> >Subject: Re: [bolger] Boating fatalities
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >There's a ton of info here for the morbidly curious. It's all very
> >> >sobering and makes me want to wear a PFD even here at my computer.
> >> >
> >> >The numbers are skewed of course, because far more people -- and
> >> >especially the inexperienced and unprepared ones -- go boating on
> >> >lakes and streams than ever venture out into the open sea, so we'll
> >> >never really get a clear picture of the relative risk. But the
> >> >absolute numbers are interesting.
> >>
> >> I don't remember why, but a friend of mine at Time Inc started
> >> looking into how many ocean going freighter sink each year. The
> >> number was something startling like one a day. Apparently there's a
> >> particular length of ship the lines up just right with a common
> storm
> >> wave frequency. They break in two and head for the bottom.
>
> --
>
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Maybe a low power laser to blind them? (temporarily?)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cupp" <caj@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:36 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Boating fatalities
> As far as piracy is concerned there will always be men willing to
> take anything of value from those that appear weaker. When societies
> value everything over life itself then there is no safety. I would
> feel safer with an EMP cannon to disable any pirates with any
> electrical devices that make their boats operate. All of this sounds
> to distracting for a retirement vacation voyage. I want to live as
> long as possible and sailing near Yemen or Indonesia or any muslim
> country with a US registered craft will shorten the life of an
> American.
>
> I gave up shooting at humans in my twenties, I gave up being shot at
> this year in May when I turned fifty. I really started loving life
> and sailing in any of those "war" zones around the world just sounds
> like suicide. I could be happy just sailing up and down the west
> coast. The world is a mess but when I'm on the water I can get away
> from the ills of earth. Sort of a news fast. It is about time to
> build one of Bolgers finest and make the world go away.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Don't forget Pirates!
> > >
> >
> > Ciao for Niao,
> > Bill in MN
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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David and all,
I believe it. After twenty years in the shipping business, the list of
casualties reported daily in Lloyds List still makes my hair stand on
end. Gentlemen, there are more than a few ships out there, in fact
there's a whole lot (Lloyds Register of Ships has 140,000 entries for
active ships). That's just the big guys. Do the math; one a day ain't
bad, all things considered.
Remembering to keep a good lookout,
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: David Ryan [mailto:david@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:08 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Boating fatalities
I found it hard to believe too, and I told him so. But he insisted.
And after all, he's the former Alaskan commercial fisherman turn
professional journalist for Time. I'll ask him for his sources.
-D
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I believe it. After twenty years in the shipping business, the list of
casualties reported daily in Lloyds List still makes my hair stand on
end. Gentlemen, there are more than a few ships out there, in fact
there's a whole lot (Lloyds Register of Ships has 140,000 entries for
active ships). That's just the big guys. Do the math; one a day ain't
bad, all things considered.
Remembering to keep a good lookout,
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: David Ryan [mailto:david@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:08 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Boating fatalities
I found it hard to believe too, and I told him so. But he insisted.
And after all, he's the former Alaskan commercial fisherman turn
professional journalist for Time. I'll ask him for his sources.
-D
>One a day? 300 plus a year? I find that hard to believe. Maybe one ayear.
>----- Original Message -----storm
>From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:33 AM
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Boating fatalities
>
>
>>
>> >There's a ton of info here for the morbidly curious. It's all very
>> >sobering and makes me want to wear a PFD even here at my computer.
>> >
>> >The numbers are skewed of course, because far more people -- and
>> >especially the inexperienced and unprepared ones -- go boating on
>> >lakes and streams than ever venture out into the open sea, so we'll
>> >never really get a clear picture of the relative risk. But the
>> >absolute numbers are interesting.
>>
>> I don't remember why, but a friend of mine at Time Inc started
>> looking into how many ocean going freighter sink each year. The
>> number was something startling like one a day. Apparently there's a
>> particular length of ship the lines up just right with a common
>> wave frequency. They break in two and head for the bottom.--
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As far as piracy is concerned there will always be men willing to
take anything of value from those that appear weaker. When societies
value everything over life itself then there is no safety. I would
feel safer with an EMP cannon to disable any pirates with any
electrical devices that make their boats operate. All of this sounds
to distracting for a retirement vacation voyage. I want to live as
long as possible and sailing near Yemen or Indonesia or any muslim
country with a US registered craft will shorten the life of an
American.
I gave up shooting at humans in my twenties, I gave up being shot at
this year in May when I turned fifty. I really started loving life
and sailing in any of those "war" zones around the world just sounds
like suicide. I could be happy just sailing up and down the west
coast. The world is a mess but when I'm on the water I can get away
from the ills of earth. Sort of a news fast. It is about time to
build one of Bolgers finest and make the world go away.
John
take anything of value from those that appear weaker. When societies
value everything over life itself then there is no safety. I would
feel safer with an EMP cannon to disable any pirates with any
electrical devices that make their boats operate. All of this sounds
to distracting for a retirement vacation voyage. I want to live as
long as possible and sailing near Yemen or Indonesia or any muslim
country with a US registered craft will shorten the life of an
American.
I gave up shooting at humans in my twenties, I gave up being shot at
this year in May when I turned fifty. I really started loving life
and sailing in any of those "war" zones around the world just sounds
like suicide. I could be happy just sailing up and down the west
coast. The world is a mess but when I'm on the water I can get away
from the ills of earth. Sort of a news fast. It is about time to
build one of Bolgers finest and make the world go away.
John
> > Don't forget Pirates!
> >
>
> Ciao for Niao,
> Bill in MN
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
In a message dated 10/24/02 12:35:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
richard@...writes:
not sure what the reporting criteria was - the number of vessels taken was
up, from 250 to 280, roughly, and the number of fatalities among crew down,
from 10 to 8, roughly, if memory serves, from last year. So, piracy is alive
and well, if not well reported.
Indonesian waters were mentioned as a high risk area. Tugs towing barges of
"palm oil" (?) were mentioned as being at particular risk. "Fencing" a barge
full of oil would seem to require a substantial amount of collusion with
local authorities. Yemen was also mentioned. Activities there seemed to be
more in the nature of kidnap or extortion rackets than actual looting of the
vessel's cargo.
There was no mention of "Newfies", Inuit, Icelanders or others plundering any
"Micro's" in the North Atlantic. This might reflect a shortage of opportunity
or lack of economic incentive or more effective policing rather than inherent
virtue among the indigenes. :)
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
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richard@...writes:
> Don't forget Pirates!There was a short item about piracy in the Wall St. Urinal this week - I'm
>
not sure what the reporting criteria was - the number of vessels taken was
up, from 250 to 280, roughly, and the number of fatalities among crew down,
from 10 to 8, roughly, if memory serves, from last year. So, piracy is alive
and well, if not well reported.
Indonesian waters were mentioned as a high risk area. Tugs towing barges of
"palm oil" (?) were mentioned as being at particular risk. "Fencing" a barge
full of oil would seem to require a substantial amount of collusion with
local authorities. Yemen was also mentioned. Activities there seemed to be
more in the nature of kidnap or extortion rackets than actual looting of the
vessel's cargo.
There was no mention of "Newfies", Inuit, Icelanders or others plundering any
"Micro's" in the North Atlantic. This might reflect a shortage of opportunity
or lack of economic incentive or more effective policing rather than inherent
virtue among the indigenes. :)
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
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Sailing offshore is not the problem. The problems develop when sailing
within the legal limits of the various states, which each have unique
rules and regulations. A great booklet written by a lawyer but
designed for us is, _ Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty
States_, by J. Scott Kappas, Esq. Only $12.95. Don't leave
home without it. (cruise...) Leo
within the legal limits of the various states, which each have unique
rules and regulations. A great booklet written by a lawyer but
designed for us is, _ Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty
States_, by J. Scott Kappas, Esq. Only $12.95. Don't leave
home without it. (cruise...) Leo
If recollection serves, about 400' . But like I said, I'll try to pin
my friend down on sources.
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
my friend down on sources.
>What's the chance of finding out what that length is?--
>
>Stuart
>
>>
>> I don't remember why, but a friend of mine at Time Inc started
>> looking into how many ocean going freighter sink each year. The
>> number was something startling like one a day. Apparently there's a
>> particular length of ship the lines up just right with a common storm
>> wave frequency. They break in two and head for the bottom.
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
Whatever the length is, I doubt that it's in the region of Micro's
15' 6". Maybe she'd be safer than first thought after all?
Bruce Hector
15' 6". Maybe she'd be safer than first thought after all?
Bruce Hector
--- In bolger@y..., Stuart Crawford <scrawford@p...> wrote:
> What's the chance of finding out what that length is?
>
> Stuart
>
> >
> > I don't remember why, but a friend of mine at Time Inc started
> > looking into how many ocean going freighter sink each year. The
> > number was something startling like one a day. Apparently there's
a
> > particular length of ship the lines up just right with a common
storm
> > wave frequency. They break in two and head for the bottom.
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
What's the chance of finding out what that length is?
Stuart
Stuart
>
> I don't remember why, but a friend of mine at Time Inc started
> looking into how many ocean going freighter sink each year. The
> number was something startling like one a day. Apparently there's a
> particular length of ship the lines up just right with a common storm
> wave frequency. They break in two and head for the bottom.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
Does anyone know what the U.S. maritime laws are on carrying firearms
on board a privately owned vessel registered in the USA?
on board a privately owned vessel registered in the USA?
--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> Don't forget Pirates!
>http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/pirates/44096
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "GarthAB" <garth@b...>
> To: <bolger@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:55 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Boating fatalities
>
>
> > The earlier discussion of a Micro ocean crossing got me wondering:
> > just how many people DO die each year offshore? We tend to hear
the
> > heroic stories of those who survived difficult conditions, but the
> > dead ones often have no one to tell their tale. I did a Google
search
> > for boating fatalities, and didn't find the one nugget of
statistics
> > that would answer my question, but did find these US Coast Guard
> > documents. I'll paste in a link to a web page where you can
download
> > USCG accident and fatality reports by year.
> > www.uscgboating.org/statistics/accident_stats.htm
> > The reports are in PDF and about 180-200K so I won't link you to
the
> > docs themselves. But a glance through the 2000 report is pretty
> > instructive.
> > -- 519 boaters drowned in 2000, and there were 701 total
fatalities
> > (most years total fatalities are between 700 and 900).
> > -- Wearing a life jacket would have saved about 445 of these
people
> > -- 83% of all fatalities occured in boats under 26' in length
> > -- Alcohol was involved in 31% of all accidents.
> > -- Nearly 70% of all accidents involved some
"operator-controllable"
> > factor like carelessness,inattention, recklessness,
inexperience,
> > unsafe speed, or no lookout.
> > -- a very large percentage of accidentsand fatalities occured
> > on "open motorboats." Sailboats had a fairly small percentage.
> > "Canoes and kayaks" were second to the open motorboats.
> > -- The biggest percentage of deaths occurred in CALM, WARM water
and
> > light winds.
> >
> > -- And, closest data to my question: the USCG breaks down the
> > accident and fatality data into "Type of Body of Water."
> > The category "Ocean/Gulf" had 33 fatalities out of 701, for
about
> > 4.7% of the total. The Great Lakes (doesn't say how close to
shore)
> > accounted for 23 more.
> > The biggest numbers were "Rivers, streams and creeks" with 234
> > fatalities, and "Lakes, ponds, reservoirs, dams" with 304.
> > "Bays, Inlets, Sounds, Harbors" accounted for 68.
> >
> > There's a ton of info here for the morbidly curious. It's all very
> > sobering and makes me want to wear a PFD even here at my computer.
> >
> > The numbers are skewed of course, because far more people -- and
> > especially the inexperienced and unprepared ones -- go boating on
> > lakes and streams than ever venture out into the open sea, so
we'll
> > never really get a clear picture of the relative risk. But the
> > absolute numbers are interesting.
> >
> > All best,
> > Garth
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
posts
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and
<snip> away
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MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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> >
The riskiest sport I have ever been a participant in was Cave Diving. First 4 hours are class room; we sorted thru fatalities (there are NO injuries) and gleaned that there were three things that kill folks in u/w caves, and then just learned NOT to do any of the 3 killers.
When I embarked on my third (and finally successful) attempt at Flying Lessons, I worked my way into the NTSB accident reports for Cessna 172's (my primary trainer) for similar solace.
Basically put, VERY FEW folks die in Cessna's in GOOD WEATHER, with UNLOCKED control surfaces (oh yeah, try to explain your way out of THAT), full tanks, and oil in the crankcase...very few.
Accident analysis is conducive to long life....
Norm
When I embarked on my third (and finally successful) attempt at Flying Lessons, I worked my way into the NTSB accident reports for Cessna 172's (my primary trainer) for similar solace.
Basically put, VERY FEW folks die in Cessna's in GOOD WEATHER, with UNLOCKED control surfaces (oh yeah, try to explain your way out of THAT), full tanks, and oil in the crankcase...very few.
Accident analysis is conducive to long life....
Norm
----- Original Message -----
From: GarthAB
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:55 AM
Subject: [bolger] Boating fatalities
The earlier discussion of a Micro ocean crossing got me wondering:
just how many people DO die each year offshore?
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I believe two Alaska trawlers have been lost in the last week alone! Not to
mention the rest of the world.
Jeff
mention the rest of the world.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Boating fatalities
> I found it hard to believe too, and I told him so. But he insisted.
> And after all, he's the former Alaskan commercial fisherman turn
> professional journalist for Time. I'll ask him for his sources.
>
> -D
>
> >One a day? 300 plus a year? I find that hard to believe. Maybe one a
year.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
> >To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:33 AM
> >Subject: Re: [bolger] Boating fatalities
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >There's a ton of info here for the morbidly curious. It's all very
> >> >sobering and makes me want to wear a PFD even here at my computer.
> >> >
> >> >The numbers are skewed of course, because far more people -- and
> >> >especially the inexperienced and unprepared ones -- go boating on
> >> >lakes and streams than ever venture out into the open sea, so we'll
> >> >never really get a clear picture of the relative risk. But the
> >> >absolute numbers are interesting.
> >>
> >> I don't remember why, but a friend of mine at Time Inc started
> >> looking into how many ocean going freighter sink each year. The
> >> number was something startling like one a day. Apparently there's a
> >> particular length of ship the lines up just right with a common storm
> >> wave frequency. They break in two and head for the bottom.
>
> --
>
> C.E.P.
> 415 W.46th Street
> New York, New York 10036
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> Mobile (646) 325-8325
> Office (212) 247-0296
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
>
Don't forget Pirates!
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/pirates/44096
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/pirates/44096
----- Original Message -----
From: "GarthAB" <garth@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:55 AM
Subject: [bolger] Boating fatalities
> The earlier discussion of a Micro ocean crossing got me wondering:
> just how many people DO die each year offshore? We tend to hear the
> heroic stories of those who survived difficult conditions, but the
> dead ones often have no one to tell their tale. I did a Google search
> for boating fatalities, and didn't find the one nugget of statistics
> that would answer my question, but did find these US Coast Guard
> documents. I'll paste in a link to a web page where you can download
> USCG accident and fatality reports by year.
> www.uscgboating.org/statistics/accident_stats.htm
> The reports are in PDF and about 180-200K so I won't link you to the
> docs themselves. But a glance through the 2000 report is pretty
> instructive.
> -- 519 boaters drowned in 2000, and there were 701 total fatalities
> (most years total fatalities are between 700 and 900).
> -- Wearing a life jacket would have saved about 445 of these people
> -- 83% of all fatalities occured in boats under 26' in length
> -- Alcohol was involved in 31% of all accidents.
> -- Nearly 70% of all accidents involved some "operator-controllable"
> factor like carelessness,inattention, recklessness, inexperience,
> unsafe speed, or no lookout.
> -- a very large percentage of accidentsand fatalities occured
> on "open motorboats." Sailboats had a fairly small percentage.
> "Canoes and kayaks" were second to the open motorboats.
> -- The biggest percentage of deaths occurred in CALM, WARM water and
> light winds.
>
> -- And, closest data to my question: the USCG breaks down the
> accident and fatality data into "Type of Body of Water."
> The category "Ocean/Gulf" had 33 fatalities out of 701, for about
> 4.7% of the total. The Great Lakes (doesn't say how close to shore)
> accounted for 23 more.
> The biggest numbers were "Rivers, streams and creeks" with 234
> fatalities, and "Lakes, ponds, reservoirs, dams" with 304.
> "Bays, Inlets, Sounds, Harbors" accounted for 68.
>
> There's a ton of info here for the morbidly curious. It's all very
> sobering and makes me want to wear a PFD even here at my computer.
>
> The numbers are skewed of course, because far more people -- and
> especially the inexperienced and unprepared ones -- go boating on
> lakes and streams than ever venture out into the open sea, so we'll
> never really get a clear picture of the relative risk. But the
> absolute numbers are interesting.
>
> All best,
> Garth
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
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>
>
I wonder if that includes commercial fishermen? There are
probably 3-4 fatalities a year among the commercial fishermen
around me. Most often boats in poor repair within ten nautical
miles of shore. And of course there are losses that go
unreported. Refugees in open boats in the Caribbean.
Ocassional day sailors. The guy rescued off Costa Rica in
September left Long Beach in July for Catalina. Nobody ever
reported him missing.
probably 3-4 fatalities a year among the commercial fishermen
around me. Most often boats in poor repair within ten nautical
miles of shore. And of course there are losses that go
unreported. Refugees in open boats in the Caribbean.
Ocassional day sailors. The guy rescued off Costa Rica in
September left Long Beach in July for Catalina. Nobody ever
reported him missing.
--- In bolger@y..., "GarthAB" <garth@b...> wrote:
> The earlier discussion of a Micro ocean crossing got me
wondering:
> just how many people DO die each year offshore? We tend to
hear the
> heroic stories of those who survived difficult conditions, but the
> dead ones often have no one to tell their tale. I did a Google
search
> for boating fatalities, and didn't find the one nugget of statistics
> that would answer my question, but did find these US Coast
Guard
> documents. I'll paste in a link to a web page where you can
download
> USCG accident and fatality reports by year.
> www.uscgboating.org/statistics/accident_stats.htm
> The reports are in PDF and about 180-200K so I won't link you
to the
> docs themselves. But a glance through the 2000 report is
pretty
> instructive.
> -- 519 boaters drowned in 2000, and there were 701 total
fatalities
> (most years total fatalities are between 700 and 900).
> -- Wearing a life jacket would have saved about 445 of these
people
> -- 83% of all fatalities occured in boats under 26' in length
> -- Alcohol was involved in 31% of all accidents.
> -- Nearly 70% of all accidents involved some
"operator-controllable"
> factor like carelessness,inattention, recklessness,
inexperience,
> unsafe speed, or no lookout.
> -- a very large percentage of accidentsand fatalities occured
> on "open motorboats." Sailboats had a fairly small
percentage.
> "Canoes and kayaks" were second to the open motorboats.
> -- The biggest percentage of deaths occurred in CALM, WARM
water and
> light winds.
>
> -- And, closest data to my question: the USCG breaks down the
> accident and fatality data into "Type of Body of Water."
> The category "Ocean/Gulf" had 33 fatalities out of 701, for
about
> 4.7% of the total. The Great Lakes (doesn't say how close to
shore)
> accounted for 23 more.
> The biggest numbers were "Rivers, streams and creeks"
with 234
> fatalities, and "Lakes, ponds, reservoirs, dams" with 304.
> "Bays, Inlets, Sounds, Harbors" accounted for 68.
>
> There's a ton of info here for the morbidly curious. It's all very
> sobering and makes me want to wear a PFD even here at my
computer.
>
> The numbers are skewed of course, because far more people
-- and
> especially the inexperienced and unprepared ones -- go
boating on
> lakes and streams than ever venture out into the open sea, so
we'll
> never really get a clear picture of the relative risk. But the
> absolute numbers are interesting.
>
> All best,
> Garth
I found it hard to believe too, and I told him so. But he insisted.
And after all, he's the former Alaskan commercial fisherman turn
professional journalist for Time. I'll ask him for his sources.
-D
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
And after all, he's the former Alaskan commercial fisherman turn
professional journalist for Time. I'll ask him for his sources.
-D
>One a day? 300 plus a year? I find that hard to believe. Maybe one a year.--
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:33 AM
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Boating fatalities
>
>
>>
>> >There's a ton of info here for the morbidly curious. It's all very
>> >sobering and makes me want to wear a PFD even here at my computer.
>> >
>> >The numbers are skewed of course, because far more people -- and
>> >especially the inexperienced and unprepared ones -- go boating on
>> >lakes and streams than ever venture out into the open sea, so we'll
>> >never really get a clear picture of the relative risk. But the
>> >absolute numbers are interesting.
>>
>> I don't remember why, but a friend of mine at Time Inc started
>> looking into how many ocean going freighter sink each year. The
>> number was something startling like one a day. Apparently there's a
>> particular length of ship the lines up just right with a common storm
>> wave frequency. They break in two and head for the bottom.
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
One a day? 300 plus a year? I find that hard to believe. Maybe one a year.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Boating fatalities
>
> >There's a ton of info here for the morbidly curious. It's all very
> >sobering and makes me want to wear a PFD even here at my computer.
> >
> >The numbers are skewed of course, because far more people -- and
> >especially the inexperienced and unprepared ones -- go boating on
> >lakes and streams than ever venture out into the open sea, so we'll
> >never really get a clear picture of the relative risk. But the
> >absolute numbers are interesting.
>
> I don't remember why, but a friend of mine at Time Inc started
> looking into how many ocean going freighter sink each year. The
> number was something startling like one a day. Apparently there's a
> particular length of ship the lines up just right with a common storm
> wave frequency. They break in two and head for the bottom.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
> --
>
> C.E.P.
> 415 W.46th Street
> New York, New York 10036
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> Mobile (646) 325-8325
> Office (212) 247-0296
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
>
>There's a ton of info here for the morbidly curious. It's all veryI don't remember why, but a friend of mine at Time Inc started
>sobering and makes me want to wear a PFD even here at my computer.
>
>The numbers are skewed of course, because far more people -- and
>especially the inexperienced and unprepared ones -- go boating on
>lakes and streams than ever venture out into the open sea, so we'll
>never really get a clear picture of the relative risk. But the
>absolute numbers are interesting.
looking into how many ocean going freighter sink each year. The
number was something startling like one a day. Apparently there's a
particular length of ship the lines up just right with a common storm
wave frequency. They break in two and head for the bottom.
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
The earlier discussion of a Micro ocean crossing got me wondering:
just how many people DO die each year offshore? We tend to hear the
heroic stories of those who survived difficult conditions, but the
dead ones often have no one to tell their tale. I did a Google search
for boating fatalities, and didn't find the one nugget of statistics
that would answer my question, but did find these US Coast Guard
documents. I'll paste in a link to a web page where you can download
USCG accident and fatality reports by year.
www.uscgboating.org/statistics/accident_stats.htm
The reports are in PDF and about 180-200K so I won't link you to the
docs themselves. But a glance through the 2000 report is pretty
instructive.
-- 519 boaters drowned in 2000, and there were 701 total fatalities
(most years total fatalities are between 700 and 900).
-- Wearing a life jacket would have saved about 445 of these people
-- 83% of all fatalities occured in boats under 26' in length
-- Alcohol was involved in 31% of all accidents.
-- Nearly 70% of all accidents involved some "operator-controllable"
factor like carelessness,inattention, recklessness, inexperience,
unsafe speed, or no lookout.
-- a very large percentage of accidentsand fatalities occured
on "open motorboats." Sailboats had a fairly small percentage.
"Canoes and kayaks" were second to the open motorboats.
-- The biggest percentage of deaths occurred in CALM, WARM water and
light winds.
-- And, closest data to my question: the USCG breaks down the
accident and fatality data into "Type of Body of Water."
The category "Ocean/Gulf" had 33 fatalities out of 701, for about
4.7% of the total. The Great Lakes (doesn't say how close to shore)
accounted for 23 more.
The biggest numbers were "Rivers, streams and creeks" with 234
fatalities, and "Lakes, ponds, reservoirs, dams" with 304.
"Bays, Inlets, Sounds, Harbors" accounted for 68.
There's a ton of info here for the morbidly curious. It's all very
sobering and makes me want to wear a PFD even here at my computer.
The numbers are skewed of course, because far more people -- and
especially the inexperienced and unprepared ones -- go boating on
lakes and streams than ever venture out into the open sea, so we'll
never really get a clear picture of the relative risk. But the
absolute numbers are interesting.
All best,
Garth
just how many people DO die each year offshore? We tend to hear the
heroic stories of those who survived difficult conditions, but the
dead ones often have no one to tell their tale. I did a Google search
for boating fatalities, and didn't find the one nugget of statistics
that would answer my question, but did find these US Coast Guard
documents. I'll paste in a link to a web page where you can download
USCG accident and fatality reports by year.
www.uscgboating.org/statistics/accident_stats.htm
The reports are in PDF and about 180-200K so I won't link you to the
docs themselves. But a glance through the 2000 report is pretty
instructive.
-- 519 boaters drowned in 2000, and there were 701 total fatalities
(most years total fatalities are between 700 and 900).
-- Wearing a life jacket would have saved about 445 of these people
-- 83% of all fatalities occured in boats under 26' in length
-- Alcohol was involved in 31% of all accidents.
-- Nearly 70% of all accidents involved some "operator-controllable"
factor like carelessness,inattention, recklessness, inexperience,
unsafe speed, or no lookout.
-- a very large percentage of accidentsand fatalities occured
on "open motorboats." Sailboats had a fairly small percentage.
"Canoes and kayaks" were second to the open motorboats.
-- The biggest percentage of deaths occurred in CALM, WARM water and
light winds.
-- And, closest data to my question: the USCG breaks down the
accident and fatality data into "Type of Body of Water."
The category "Ocean/Gulf" had 33 fatalities out of 701, for about
4.7% of the total. The Great Lakes (doesn't say how close to shore)
accounted for 23 more.
The biggest numbers were "Rivers, streams and creeks" with 234
fatalities, and "Lakes, ponds, reservoirs, dams" with 304.
"Bays, Inlets, Sounds, Harbors" accounted for 68.
There's a ton of info here for the morbidly curious. It's all very
sobering and makes me want to wear a PFD even here at my computer.
The numbers are skewed of course, because far more people -- and
especially the inexperienced and unprepared ones -- go boating on
lakes and streams than ever venture out into the open sea, so we'll
never really get a clear picture of the relative risk. But the
absolute numbers are interesting.
All best,
Garth