Re: [bolger] Re: phil bolger design
Well you don't have to be Ansel Adams to be marketable. Whimsy does well
in the poster market and I like some of your ideas.
HJ
dnjost wrote:
in the poster market and I like some of your ideas.
HJ
dnjost wrote:
>
> This is a side benefit of being a supervisor for an art department.
> I get to learn all the latest tricks as they take the workshops I put
> together for them. The secret is to select the boat, then blur the
> background after sharpening up the image. Adobe photoshop improves
> all digital photos somehow. I am thinking of putting together some
> riduculous photos such as Micro going over Niagra Falls, or surfing a
> tsunami. As for a fundraiser, I admit I am not Ansel Adams.
>
> David Jost
>
>
This is a side benefit of being a supervisor for an art department.
I get to learn all the latest tricks as they take the workshops I put
together for them. The secret is to select the boat, then blur the
background after sharpening up the image. Adobe photoshop improves
all digital photos somehow. I am thinking of putting together some
riduculous photos such as Micro going over Niagra Falls, or surfing a
tsunami. As for a fundraiser, I admit I am not Ansel Adams.
David Jost
(hmmm...some procedes towards an AS 29 might be welcome ;-)
I get to learn all the latest tricks as they take the workshops I put
together for them. The secret is to select the boat, then blur the
background after sharpening up the image. Adobe photoshop improves
all digital photos somehow. I am thinking of putting together some
riduculous photos such as Micro going over Niagra Falls, or surfing a
tsunami. As for a fundraiser, I admit I am not Ansel Adams.
David Jost
(hmmm...some procedes towards an AS 29 might be welcome ;-)
> David,looks
> I do not know how to say this but your picture of FIREFLY
> so etherial,as if it were a model, or you were going through an outI'd
> of body experience! Great picture!! Have you given any thoughts to
> perhaps making a poster out of it to help finance the next boat?
> buy one!sneak
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "dnjost" <djost@m...> wrote:
> Check out the latest photo of my Micro
> > on its trailer (photoshop is great for digital photos) ready for
> its
> > next adventure. Lots of character, lots of room, really does
> > up to the beach. and fun.
> >
> >http://www.ultranet.com/~djost/Micro.htm
> >
> > Happy hunting.
> > DAvid Jost
> >
> > p.s. - another choice might be a Drascombe lugger.
> >
> >
Yes I know, But Our windy season is about over. So I wanted to try
and get most of the refit done before the rain and cold weather. I'm
truly apperciative for your opinion and information. Thank You.
Todd
--- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <> Hi Todd,
and get most of the refit done before the rain and cold weather. I'm
truly apperciative for your opinion and information. Thank You.
Todd
--- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <> Hi Todd,
> ellengaest@b...> wrote:There is
>
>
>
> nothing sadder then a nifty little yacht up on the ground insteadof
> out on the water giving her owner satifaction :-)
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,absolutely rich with free advice,from along the nippy
> shores of the St.Lawrence...........
>
>
>
Just as a matter of interest in the pocket cruiser matter, I have
made a list of all the designs in the 5 Bolger design books that have
the following characteristics:
1) under 25' loa (I cheated on this, as indicated)
2) sailboat or motorsailer
3) clear design intent for crew to be able to sleep below a hard deck
Small boats:
Lynx, Master Hand, Otter, Quickstep, Prancing Pony, Nahant (loa = 25'
6")
The Folding Schooner:
Cynthia J., Black Skimmer, Dovkie, Economy Motorsailer (loa=25' 10")
Different Boats
Cruising Canoe (loa=26'), Triple-Keel Sloop, Storm Petrel, Centennial
II, Otter II
30-Odd Boats
Wish II, Jesse Cooper (loa=25' 6"), Pico
Boats with an Open Mind
Supermouse, Merlin ( Marina Cruiser), Micro, Chebacco, Birdwatcher,
Martha Jane, Seabird '86, Grandpa's Pirate Ship, Blueberry, Fast
Motorsailer, Red Zinger (loa = 25'6"), Leeboard Catboat
The major boats not included would be Long Micro and the Jochems
Schooner.
Now, out of all these boats, how many could be considered suitable
for going "anywhere", say from Newport to Bermuda. I think you would
have a good chance of making a safe passage in Lynx, Quickstep,
Prancing Pony, Nahant, Triple-Keel Sloop, Seabird '86, Blueberry, Red
Zinger, Leeboard Catboat, and Long Micro. The daring might try Micro
or Jesse Cooper, or the Jochems.
Peter
made a list of all the designs in the 5 Bolger design books that have
the following characteristics:
1) under 25' loa (I cheated on this, as indicated)
2) sailboat or motorsailer
3) clear design intent for crew to be able to sleep below a hard deck
Small boats:
Lynx, Master Hand, Otter, Quickstep, Prancing Pony, Nahant (loa = 25'
6")
The Folding Schooner:
Cynthia J., Black Skimmer, Dovkie, Economy Motorsailer (loa=25' 10")
Different Boats
Cruising Canoe (loa=26'), Triple-Keel Sloop, Storm Petrel, Centennial
II, Otter II
30-Odd Boats
Wish II, Jesse Cooper (loa=25' 6"), Pico
Boats with an Open Mind
Supermouse, Merlin ( Marina Cruiser), Micro, Chebacco, Birdwatcher,
Martha Jane, Seabird '86, Grandpa's Pirate Ship, Blueberry, Fast
Motorsailer, Red Zinger (loa = 25'6"), Leeboard Catboat
The major boats not included would be Long Micro and the Jochems
Schooner.
Now, out of all these boats, how many could be considered suitable
for going "anywhere", say from Newport to Bermuda. I think you would
have a good chance of making a safe passage in Lynx, Quickstep,
Prancing Pony, Nahant, Triple-Keel Sloop, Seabird '86, Blueberry, Red
Zinger, Leeboard Catboat, and Long Micro. The daring might try Micro
or Jesse Cooper, or the Jochems.
Peter
Hi Todd,
Hi Todd,
Regarding your wish to use mahogany,all I can say is go for it!
Mahogany,like most woods,will be strong enough if you respect the
scantlings as called out for by the designer.Going slightly larger
will not drastically hurt anything so long as you adjust elsewhere
for it.For example,say if you wished to use larger chine logs,then
you would have to increase the dimensions of the cutouts through the
bulkheads and frames.
You say you wish to strengthen your bottom.Without a bit more
info.,I would proceed as follows;
Sand the existing bottom down to bare wood.
Trace and cut plywood(1/4",3/8" ?) panels to the shape of the bottom.
Assemble a bunch of 2X4s to use as braces.
Temporarily fasten each panel with a couple of screws.
Coat the now cut panels with a thick mix of epoxy.
Offer them up to the bottom,one at a time,and use the 2X4s to apply
preasure from bellow and the screws as guides to properly orient the
panels and keep them from sliding all over the place.Withdraw screws
the day after(before epoxy is completely cured!).
Lay down a layer of fiberglass cloth set in epoxy(10oz cloth)
On the other hand,alot of this will also depend on how your
entire keel structure was done and its condition.Does it too need
some beefing up?If so, possible solutions may include the
installation of a keelson along with some through bolts and/or re-
doing the entire keel assembly.
Understandably,this sort of advice is really cheap and easy for
me to sprout but is not so easy to apply since I have not seen your
actual boat.
Perhaps others more knowledgable then myself can chime in and
offer options more practical for you to undertake.
Let me(us) know if we can be of further assistance Todd.There is
nothing sadder then a nifty little yacht up on the ground instead of
out on the water giving her owner satifaction :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,absolutely rich with free advice,from along the nippy
shores of the St.Lawrence...........
Hi Todd,
Regarding your wish to use mahogany,all I can say is go for it!
Mahogany,like most woods,will be strong enough if you respect the
scantlings as called out for by the designer.Going slightly larger
will not drastically hurt anything so long as you adjust elsewhere
for it.For example,say if you wished to use larger chine logs,then
you would have to increase the dimensions of the cutouts through the
bulkheads and frames.
You say you wish to strengthen your bottom.Without a bit more
info.,I would proceed as follows;
Sand the existing bottom down to bare wood.
Trace and cut plywood(1/4",3/8" ?) panels to the shape of the bottom.
Assemble a bunch of 2X4s to use as braces.
Temporarily fasten each panel with a couple of screws.
Coat the now cut panels with a thick mix of epoxy.
Offer them up to the bottom,one at a time,and use the 2X4s to apply
preasure from bellow and the screws as guides to properly orient the
panels and keep them from sliding all over the place.Withdraw screws
the day after(before epoxy is completely cured!).
Lay down a layer of fiberglass cloth set in epoxy(10oz cloth)
On the other hand,alot of this will also depend on how your
entire keel structure was done and its condition.Does it too need
some beefing up?If so, possible solutions may include the
installation of a keelson along with some through bolts and/or re-
doing the entire keel assembly.
Understandably,this sort of advice is really cheap and easy for
me to sprout but is not so easy to apply since I have not seen your
actual boat.
Perhaps others more knowledgable then myself can chime in and
offer options more practical for you to undertake.
Let me(us) know if we can be of further assistance Todd.There is
nothing sadder then a nifty little yacht up on the ground instead of
out on the water giving her owner satifaction :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,absolutely rich with free advice,from along the nippy
shores of the St.Lawrence...........
--- In bolger@y..., "Todd" <ktsrfer@m...> wrote:
> Peter,
>
> >
> I have a question. I'm still in the process of refitting my micro.
> Its slow going . I keep her in storage and there is no power supply
> for power tools. Anyways to my ?, What would be the most efficient
> way of strengthing the bottom, with out ripping the old bottom off
> completely? The bottom is still in good condition I just want to
> strengthen it!
>
> Is mahogany strong enough for the main mast partner and thwart ?
> Could I use mahogany for the top transom support as well ?
>
> Todd
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I would vote for Phil Bolgers MICRO design.She is self-
> > righting,really stable has tons of room for storage, can be
brought
> > up to a beach,can be hauled by a trailer,can be
> > built/repaired/maintained by the average handy sailor and is,in
my
> > opinion, one cute little pocket cruiser!
> > The FLICKA design(not a Bolger) does not exactly live up to
all
> of
> > the above and is more a tabloid cruiser then pocket cruiser,me
> thinks.
> > Good luck with your search!
> > Sincerely,
> > Peter Lenihan,MICROLOGISTS at large,or rather,just getting larger
> > from too much Italian cuisine,along the shores of the
> > St.Lawrence.......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In bolger@y..., "janandchuck" <janandchuck@h...> wrote:
> > > would anyone know of a go any where pocket cruiser sail ,
> designed
> > > by phil bolger,and where i could get more information.
> > > thank you chuck
Peter,
I'd agree with you on the micro.
I have a question. I'm still in the process of refitting my micro.
Its slow going . I keep her in storage and there is no power supply
for power tools. Anyways to my ?, What would be the most efficient
way of strengthing the bottom, with out ripping the old bottom off
completely? The bottom is still in good condition I just want to
strengthen it!
Is mahogany strong enough for the main mast partner and thwart ?
Could I use mahogany for the top transom support as well ?
Todd
I'd agree with you on the micro.
I have a question. I'm still in the process of refitting my micro.
Its slow going . I keep her in storage and there is no power supply
for power tools. Anyways to my ?, What would be the most efficient
way of strengthing the bottom, with out ripping the old bottom off
completely? The bottom is still in good condition I just want to
strengthen it!
Is mahogany strong enough for the main mast partner and thwart ?
Could I use mahogany for the top transom support as well ?
Todd
--- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> Hi,
> I would vote for Phil Bolgers MICRO design.She is self-
> righting,really stable has tons of room for storage, can be brought
> up to a beach,can be hauled by a trailer,can be
> built/repaired/maintained by the average handy sailor and is,in my
> opinion, one cute little pocket cruiser!
> The FLICKA design(not a Bolger) does not exactly live up to all
of
> the above and is more a tabloid cruiser then pocket cruiser,me
thinks.
> Good luck with your search!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,MICROLOGISTS at large,or rather,just getting larger
> from too much Italian cuisine,along the shores of the
> St.Lawrence.......
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "janandchuck" <janandchuck@h...> wrote:
> > would anyone know of a go any where pocket cruiser sail ,
designed
> > by phil bolger,and where i could get more information.
> > thank you chuck
David,
I do not know how to say this but your picture of FIREFLY looks
so etherial,as if it were a model, or you were going through an out
of body experience! Great picture!! Have you given any thoughts to
perhaps making a poster out of it to help finance the next boat? I'd
buy one!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
I do not know how to say this but your picture of FIREFLY looks
so etherial,as if it were a model, or you were going through an out
of body experience! Great picture!! Have you given any thoughts to
perhaps making a poster out of it to help finance the next boat? I'd
buy one!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., "dnjost" <djost@m...> wrote:
Check out the latest photo of my Micro
> on its trailer (photoshop is great for digital photos) ready for
its
> next adventure. Lots of character, lots of room, really does sneak
> up to the beach. and fun.
>
>http://www.ultranet.com/~djost/Micro.htm
>
> Happy hunting.
> DAvid Jost
>
> p.s. - another choice might be a Drascombe lugger.
>
>
!
I concur with Peter on this. Check out the latest photo of my Micro
on its trailer (photoshop is great for digital photos) ready for its
next adventure. Lots of character, lots of room, really does sneak
up to the beach. and fun.
http://www.ultranet.com/~djost/Micro.htm
Happy hunting.
DAvid Jost
p.s. - another choice might be a Drascombe lugger.
I concur with Peter on this. Check out the latest photo of my Micro
on its trailer (photoshop is great for digital photos) ready for its
next adventure. Lots of character, lots of room, really does sneak
up to the beach. and fun.
http://www.ultranet.com/~djost/Micro.htm
Happy hunting.
DAvid Jost
p.s. - another choice might be a Drascombe lugger.
> The FLICKA design(not a Bolger) does not exactly live up to allof
> the above and is more a tabloid cruiser then pocket cruiser,methinks.
> Good luck with your search!designed
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,MICROLOGISTS at large,or rather,just getting larger
> from too much Italian cuisine,along the shores of the
> St.Lawrence.......
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "janandchuck" <janandchuck@h...> wrote:
> > would anyone know of a go any where pocket cruiser sail ,
> > by phil bolger,and where i could get more information.
> > thank you chuck
If you seriously want a small "go anywhere" design, Bolger's 20'
Steel Singlehander, Col. H.G.Hasler, is the obvious choice. Built
like a Sherman Tank (and looking something like one as well), this
will get one person anywhere. With some tweeking, it could even
accommodate two people. I don't know if anyone has ever built the
thing. See: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/Col.%20H.%
20G.%20Hasler/> Watch out for lopped off URL ends,
porky
Steel Singlehander, Col. H.G.Hasler, is the obvious choice. Built
like a Sherman Tank (and looking something like one as well), this
will get one person anywhere. With some tweeking, it could even
accommodate two people. I don't know if anyone has ever built the
thing. See: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/Col.%20H.%
20G.%20Hasler/> Watch out for lopped off URL ends,
porky
--- In bolger@y..., "janandchuck" <janandchuck@h...> wrote:
> would anyone know of a go any where pocket cruiser sail , designed
> by phil bolger,and where i could get more information.
> thank you chuck
-I would think the obvious answer to your question is to ask Phil Bolger
Bob Chamberland
-- In bolger@y..., "janandchuck" <janandchuck@h...> wrote:
Bob Chamberland
-- In bolger@y..., "janandchuck" <janandchuck@h...> wrote:
> would anyone know of a go any where pocket cruiser sail , designed
> by phil bolger,and where i could get more information.
> thank you chuck
Hi,
I would vote for Phil Bolgers MICRO design.She is self-
righting,really stable has tons of room for storage, can be brought
up to a beach,can be hauled by a trailer,can be
built/repaired/maintained by the average handy sailor and is,in my
opinion, one cute little pocket cruiser!
The FLICKA design(not a Bolger) does not exactly live up to all of
the above and is more a tabloid cruiser then pocket cruiser,me thinks.
Good luck with your search!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,MICROLOGISTS at large,or rather,just getting larger
from too much Italian cuisine,along the shores of the
St.Lawrence.......
I would vote for Phil Bolgers MICRO design.She is self-
righting,really stable has tons of room for storage, can be brought
up to a beach,can be hauled by a trailer,can be
built/repaired/maintained by the average handy sailor and is,in my
opinion, one cute little pocket cruiser!
The FLICKA design(not a Bolger) does not exactly live up to all of
the above and is more a tabloid cruiser then pocket cruiser,me thinks.
Good luck with your search!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,MICROLOGISTS at large,or rather,just getting larger
from too much Italian cuisine,along the shores of the
St.Lawrence.......
--- In bolger@y..., "janandchuck" <janandchuck@h...> wrote:
> would anyone know of a go any where pocket cruiser sail , designed
> by phil bolger,and where i could get more information.
> thank you chuck
I agree that an answer depends on YOUR definition of "pocket"
and "anywhere." However, the most likely answers you are going to get
are Micro @ 15', Long Micro @20', SeaBird '86 @ 22', and the Jochems
Schooner. None of these is a boat you would want to sail around Cape
Horn. All of these are designed for ply construction. Storm Petrel,
Centennial and the 1-hand schooner might be considered in this
catagory as well.
If you are willing to do carvel or strip construction, there are
plenty of other choices including Prancing Pony (which shares many
characteristics with the Flicka), the triple keel sloop, a couple
Friendship sloops, Quickstip, Nahant, a couple of catboats, etc. Any
of these might meet your needs.
Just guessing at what you might like, I would suggest a long look at
Long Micro, although I think she would be a little better with more
depth of keel.
Peter
and "anywhere." However, the most likely answers you are going to get
are Micro @ 15', Long Micro @20', SeaBird '86 @ 22', and the Jochems
Schooner. None of these is a boat you would want to sail around Cape
Horn. All of these are designed for ply construction. Storm Petrel,
Centennial and the 1-hand schooner might be considered in this
catagory as well.
If you are willing to do carvel or strip construction, there are
plenty of other choices including Prancing Pony (which shares many
characteristics with the Flicka), the triple keel sloop, a couple
Friendship sloops, Quickstip, Nahant, a couple of catboats, etc. Any
of these might meet your needs.
Just guessing at what you might like, I would suggest a long look at
Long Micro, although I think she would be a little better with more
depth of keel.
Peter
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You'll have to define "go anywhere" and "pocket cruiser". The two are
generaly thought to be mutualy exclusive.
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Subject: [bolger] phil bolger design
> would anyone know of a go any where pocket cruiser sail , designed
> by phil bolger,and where i could get more information.
> thank you chuck
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You'll have to define "go anywhere" and "pocket cruiser". The two are
generaly thought to be mutualy exclusive.
generaly thought to be mutualy exclusive.
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From: "janandchuck" <janandchuck@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: [bolger] phil bolger design
> would anyone know of a go any where pocket cruiser sail , designed
> by phil bolger,and where i could get more information.
> thank you chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
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01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
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would anyone know of a go any where pocket cruiser sail , designed
by phil bolger,and where i could get more information.
thank you chuck
by phil bolger,and where i could get more information.
thank you chuck