Re: Wyoming Plans and a Builder
--- In bolger@y..., "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
of her troubles.
> --- In bolger@y..., "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:Send here over with a brush and a drill driver, we'll keep her mind
>
> > I'm always so negative. I discovered the other day that 30% of
> > Canadians are on anti-depressants. Maybe I should look into it...
>
> Gosh, this is a worry, my daughter has just moved to Toronto. Not
> even got my Bolger books to get her through the long winter.
> DonB
of her troubles.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, now Peter, are you 100% sure that extreme
Bolgeritus, from which most of us here suffer, would not provide
rich dippings for the psycho-analysts?
DonB
-- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
then I got busy! I suppose I was also lucky to already have
Bolgeritus, from which most of us here suffer, would not provide
rich dippings for the psycho-analysts?
DonB
-- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> It is a pity,really! The other 70% of us should inspire them to re-you
> discover life a bit!
> I happen to work in a large psychiatric hospital( I know some of
> may think I should be kept there!) and I can say with a very highhave
> degree of certainty that the one and only thing these folks ALL
then I got busy! I suppose I was also lucky to already have
> a rather consuming interest in boats,thus making it but a weeetc...
> hop,skip and jump into big time daydreaming about boats,thanks to
> books! Rarely did I encounter a book that somehow warned me off
> building a boat or told me I may not be good enough or even that I
> would have to somehow get insurance in case I did build etc etc
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,depression free,along the lightly dusted with snow
> shores of the St.Lawrence............
> I discovered the other day that 30% ofThis is very far off topic (unless you count depression brought on by
> Canadians are on anti-depressants.
the end of boating and boatbuilding season..), but worth a comment.
Anti-depressants are very much mis-prescribed. Some doctors hand them
out as if taking a Prozac for the blues is like taking an aspirin for
a headache. Done that way, they may cause some serious side effects
but they won't do any good. They need to be taken every day for some
weeks to be effective.
Anyway, I would guess that the other 70% read the words of the
cheerful Peter L. about Windemere and his Pesky Crew. It's enough to
get just about anyone through the winter.
Peter
It is a pity,really! The other 70% of us should inspire them to re-
discover life a bit!
I happen to work in a large psychiatric hospital( I know some of you
may think I should be kept there!) and I can say with a very high
degree of certainty that the one and only thing these folks ALL have
in common,that is,people coming in because the "feel"depressed, is
the complete and total lack of any outside interest!That's
right,other then their job,or their families,they have no interests
whatsoever.It is surprising the number of times people will give T.V.
as an answer to my question,"Do you have any hobbies or interest
outside the home"?
Judging by the state of things in the wonder-wonderland of
endless T.V Bull,it is not hard to imagine an individual slowly
sinking into the pits of despair.I threw my T.V set out some 26 years
ago......then I got busy! I suppose I was also lucky to already have
a rather consuming interest in boats,thus making it but a wee
hop,skip and jump into big time daydreaming about boats,thanks to
books! Rarely did I encounter a book that somehow warned me off
building a boat or told me I may not be good enough or even that I
would have to somehow get insurance in case I did build etc etc etc...
No way! Instead I was inspired right out of my shorts into
believing that I could not only build it,but take it just about
anywhere my dreams desired!
Thanks to the incredible rewards one derives from the craft of
actually building something useful,I have been able to maintain(or so
I like to remind myself) a state of sanity despite spending 40 hours
a week surrounded by so much madness and sadness! Yup,no pills for
me! And just to make sure I do not get too serious,I even have my own
Pesky Crew to drive me really nuts!
So,my recommendation is to heave the idiot box out the door,along
with whatever outrageous prescription you may have for depression,and
get busy!Not always easy,I know,when sometimes surrounded by
idiots,but feasable nevertheless if even only on a small scale!!
There also was a scary report recently about how there appears to be
substantial quantities of prescription drugs getting through the tap
water since our filtration systems are...less then adequate.
A final anecdote(I can't help this!),about 30 years ago here at
the hospital we had a working farm.Most of the"clients" had to take
up some kind of work to keep it going.Rarely were sleeping pills or
so called anti-depressants required.In fact,many over time were able
to return to their lives.The farm is now long gone and the wards are
over-flowing with folks so drugged up that their daily intake would
knock one of us out clear into next week!
Bolger and his fleet of boxes and easy to build small
boats,deserves to be honoured for what is surely a great civic duty
in keeping so many of us from succumbing to the mundane artifices of
modern life!
Then again,maybe I only speak for myself.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,depression free,along the lightly dusted with snow
shores of the St.Lawrence............
discover life a bit!
I happen to work in a large psychiatric hospital( I know some of you
may think I should be kept there!) and I can say with a very high
degree of certainty that the one and only thing these folks ALL have
in common,that is,people coming in because the "feel"depressed, is
the complete and total lack of any outside interest!That's
right,other then their job,or their families,they have no interests
whatsoever.It is surprising the number of times people will give T.V.
as an answer to my question,"Do you have any hobbies or interest
outside the home"?
Judging by the state of things in the wonder-wonderland of
endless T.V Bull,it is not hard to imagine an individual slowly
sinking into the pits of despair.I threw my T.V set out some 26 years
ago......then I got busy! I suppose I was also lucky to already have
a rather consuming interest in boats,thus making it but a wee
hop,skip and jump into big time daydreaming about boats,thanks to
books! Rarely did I encounter a book that somehow warned me off
building a boat or told me I may not be good enough or even that I
would have to somehow get insurance in case I did build etc etc etc...
No way! Instead I was inspired right out of my shorts into
believing that I could not only build it,but take it just about
anywhere my dreams desired!
Thanks to the incredible rewards one derives from the craft of
actually building something useful,I have been able to maintain(or so
I like to remind myself) a state of sanity despite spending 40 hours
a week surrounded by so much madness and sadness! Yup,no pills for
me! And just to make sure I do not get too serious,I even have my own
Pesky Crew to drive me really nuts!
So,my recommendation is to heave the idiot box out the door,along
with whatever outrageous prescription you may have for depression,and
get busy!Not always easy,I know,when sometimes surrounded by
idiots,but feasable nevertheless if even only on a small scale!!
There also was a scary report recently about how there appears to be
substantial quantities of prescription drugs getting through the tap
water since our filtration systems are...less then adequate.
A final anecdote(I can't help this!),about 30 years ago here at
the hospital we had a working farm.Most of the"clients" had to take
up some kind of work to keep it going.Rarely were sleeping pills or
so called anti-depressants required.In fact,many over time were able
to return to their lives.The farm is now long gone and the wards are
over-flowing with folks so drugged up that their daily intake would
knock one of us out clear into next week!
Bolger and his fleet of boxes and easy to build small
boats,deserves to be honoured for what is surely a great civic duty
in keeping so many of us from succumbing to the mundane artifices of
modern life!
Then again,maybe I only speak for myself.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,depression free,along the lightly dusted with snow
shores of the St.Lawrence............
--- In bolger@y..., "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
> I'm always so negative. I discovered the other day that 30% of
> Canadians are on anti-depressants. Maybe I should look into it...
--- In bolger@y..., "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:
even got my Bolger books to get her through the long winter.
DonB
> I'm always so negative. I discovered the other day that 30% ofGosh, this is a worry, my daughter has just moved to Toronto. Not
> Canadians are on anti-depressants. Maybe I should look into it...
even got my Bolger books to get her through the long winter.
DonB
--- In bolger@y..., "Jeff Blunck" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
houses and selling them south of the border for a tidy profit.
(Apparentely the building codes are higher in Canada)
Anyway the guy to get is an experienced finishing carpenter. I have
already talked to one and he is pretty excited about it. They love to
do something that is different. He would be willing to do it during
the off-time between houses and even on his days off!
The thing is too, he has all the tools and more and they are all
portable. Also he really knows how to use them. Plywood and glue and
ring nails. I would be his helper.
Payment: Cash only...Nels
> I believe that Bolger aspires many of his designs to built withsimple
> framing skills and carpenter tools. Carpenters are pros at usingthose
> tools and manipulating lumber.There is a small construction business just down the street, building
>
> Jeff
houses and selling them south of the border for a tidy profit.
(Apparentely the building codes are higher in Canada)
Anyway the guy to get is an experienced finishing carpenter. I have
already talked to one and he is pretty excited about it. They love to
do something that is different. He would be willing to do it during
the off-time between houses and even on his days off!
The thing is too, he has all the tools and more and they are all
portable. Also he really knows how to use them. Plywood and glue and
ring nails. I would be his helper.
Payment: Cash only...Nels
migrate south for the winter, its in all our blood, (no fur to be found)!
----- Original Message -----
From: "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Wyoming Plans and a Builder
>
> >
> > I do not mean it to be disrespectful but I have a healthy respect
> for the
> > skills and knowledge of the carpentry business.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> Jeff, there is no end to how sophisticated carpentry can be, I fully
> agree. I thought we were talking about one of those little A-frame
> cottages. But ultimately, the issue isn't how sophisticated they
> are, but how transferable the skill set is, or for that mater the
> mindset. I am not optimistic on that point. Though I don't doubt
> there is someone out there, if one could find them.
>
> I'm always so negative. I discovered the other day that 30% of
> Canadians are on anti-depressants. Maybe I should look into it...
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
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>
>
>
> I'm always so negative. I discovered the other day that 30% ofIt's probably 40% for us USA dwellers! LOL
> Canadians are on anti-depressants. Maybe I should look into it...
Of course your right! Not everyone that builds a boat could be a carpenter
either. It's all in the desire!
Jeff
I believe that Bolger aspires many of his designs to built with simple
framing skills and carpenter tools. Carpenters are pros at using those
tools and manipulating lumber.
Jeff
framing skills and carpenter tools. Carpenters are pros at using those
tools and manipulating lumber.
Jeff
>for the
> I do not mean it to be disrespectful but I have a healthy respect
> skills and knowledge of the carpentry business.Jeff, there is no end to how sophisticated carpentry can be, I fully
>
> Jeff
>
>
agree. I thought we were talking about one of those little A-frame
cottages. But ultimately, the issue isn't how sophisticated they
are, but how transferable the skill set is, or for that mater the
mindset. I am not optimistic on that point. Though I don't doubt
there is someone out there, if one could find them.
I'm always so negative. I discovered the other day that 30% of
Canadians are on anti-depressants. Maybe I should look into it...
The main difference between building a home and a boat is one used nails,
and the other uses glue. Takes a lot of patients to use glue, and clamps,
especially when your used to driving a nail and being done with the joint.
I think I would better compare a boat builder with a cabinet maker, or
perhaps or furniture maker rather than a home builder...
At 05:56 PM 11/4/2002 -0700, you wrote:
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and the other uses glue. Takes a lot of patients to use glue, and clamps,
especially when your used to driving a nail and being done with the joint.
I think I would better compare a boat builder with a cabinet maker, or
perhaps or furniture maker rather than a home builder...
At 05:56 PM 11/4/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm not sure about needing shelter. Homes are built outside and so could a----------
>Wyo.
>
>The skills to build the Wyoming are very basic, not to sell myself short,
>but I've helped build houses during college years ago and there is a lot of
>technical things to know and learn to do it right and to pass local building
>codes. There's a good eye for lumber to make it stay in place, lot's of
>other skills.
>
>Reading boat plans to a carpenter would an easy adjustment.
>
>I've seen some of the intricate details in homes around here with the curved
>built in bay windows, stairwells, roof lines, etc. Laminating a rubrail
>would be a piece of cake to these guys.
>
>I do not mean it to be disrespectful but I have a healthy respect for the
>skills and knowledge of the carpentry business.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@...>
>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:38 PM
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Wyoming Plans and a Builder
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > Any basic home is harder to build than the Wyo! Heck a simple A
> > frame cabin
> > > is more difficult.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I think that is a significant exageration if one is contemplating
> > sheathing with epoxy. None of this work is difficult, but neither is
> > drywall, or plumbing, and so forth. But glass work has a definite
> > learning curve, and learning is a lot easier if you are pasionately
> > about your new hobby, rather than working outside of your comfort
> > zone. Sheathing isn't the only issue, there are all the details, and
> > stuff like laminating shears. Still a good idea if you can locate a
> > builder.
> >
> > My own feeling is that Bolger boxes mostly make sense only if you are
> > doing the labour yourself, even then it is questionable vs second
> > hand boats. Add labour, and possibly a proper shelter/shop (not a
> > normal thing for a carpenter to have), and the price mounts.
> > However, all these pricing issues are local, and just a good break or
> > two away from a deal one could live with.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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> >
> >
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
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>01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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> Laminating a rubrailI remember reading about a large schooner for which the frames were
> would be a piece of cake to these guys.
prefabricated by a company that specializes in laminated beams for
churches and gyms.
Peter
I'm not sure about needing shelter. Homes are built outside and so could a
Wyo.
The skills to build the Wyoming are very basic, not to sell myself short,
but I've helped build houses during college years ago and there is a lot of
technical things to know and learn to do it right and to pass local building
codes. There's a good eye for lumber to make it stay in place, lot's of
other skills.
Reading boat plans to a carpenter would an easy adjustment.
I've seen some of the intricate details in homes around here with the curved
built in bay windows, stairwells, roof lines, etc. Laminating a rubrail
would be a piece of cake to these guys.
I do not mean it to be disrespectful but I have a healthy respect for the
skills and knowledge of the carpentry business.
Jeff
Wyo.
The skills to build the Wyoming are very basic, not to sell myself short,
but I've helped build houses during college years ago and there is a lot of
technical things to know and learn to do it right and to pass local building
codes. There's a good eye for lumber to make it stay in place, lot's of
other skills.
Reading boat plans to a carpenter would an easy adjustment.
I've seen some of the intricate details in homes around here with the curved
built in bay windows, stairwells, roof lines, etc. Laminating a rubrail
would be a piece of cake to these guys.
I do not mean it to be disrespectful but I have a healthy respect for the
skills and knowledge of the carpentry business.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:38 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Wyoming Plans and a Builder
>
> >
> > Any basic home is harder to build than the Wyo! Heck a simple A
> frame cabin
> > is more difficult.
> >
>
>
> I think that is a significant exageration if one is contemplating
> sheathing with epoxy. None of this work is difficult, but neither is
> drywall, or plumbing, and so forth. But glass work has a definite
> learning curve, and learning is a lot easier if you are pasionately
> about your new hobby, rather than working outside of your comfort
> zone. Sheathing isn't the only issue, there are all the details, and
> stuff like laminating shears. Still a good idea if you can locate a
> builder.
>
> My own feeling is that Bolger boxes mostly make sense only if you are
> doing the labour yourself, even then it is questionable vs second
> hand boats. Add labour, and possibly a proper shelter/shop (not a
> normal thing for a carpenter to have), and the price mounts.
> However, all these pricing issues are local, and just a good break or
> two away from a deal one could live with.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>frame cabin
> Any basic home is harder to build than the Wyo! Heck a simple A
> is more difficult.I think that is a significant exageration if one is contemplating
>
sheathing with epoxy. None of this work is difficult, but neither is
drywall, or plumbing, and so forth. But glass work has a definite
learning curve, and learning is a lot easier if you are pasionately
about your new hobby, rather than working outside of your comfort
zone. Sheathing isn't the only issue, there are all the details, and
stuff like laminating shears. Still a good idea if you can locate a
builder.
My own feeling is that Bolger boxes mostly make sense only if you are
doing the labour yourself, even then it is questionable vs second
hand boats. Add labour, and possibly a proper shelter/shop (not a
normal thing for a carpenter to have), and the price mounts.
However, all these pricing issues are local, and just a good break or
two away from a deal one could live with.
Glen,
I am curious as to what your understanding is of the
word"cheaply".I cannot imagine a WYO being built for less then what
an amateur can build it for,especially since us un-real builders
pretty much eat our labour.Furthermore,since we are our own
clients,we tend to splurge on all sorts of little "custom
features",whose labour would cost alot with a pro AND we have the
relative luxury of an opened ended launch date!
As far as getting work done in the far east,unless you actually
live there,this is going to be perhaps one of the most expensive
WYO's ever done once you've factored in shipping the beast back home!
This design appears to be a rather straight forward building job
and our own Jeff is blazing along at a grand clip with tons of step
by step photos to boot!Furthermore,by building her in three sections
like Jeff is doing,folks who may appeal to to the reasoning of"I
don't have enough space" to put off doing one,effectively have to
abandon that train of thought!
One further observation regarding a pro shop in the far
east,unless a shop is set up for and familiar with Bolger Boxes,it is
not clear to me that they will necessarily be quicker or more
efficient in the execution of the design since they are usually
tooled up for a completely different type of hull construction.
At any rate,hopefully you will be sufficiently inspired by the
various responses to perhaps reconsider this design from a different
perspective and explore other routes toward completing her :-) It
does not have to be hard!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,doing his best to encourage another innocent victim
into the mad world of "un-real" boatbuilding with all of its'
attendant pleasures/surprises,while looking out at falling snow along
the shores of the St.Lawrence........
I am curious as to what your understanding is of the
word"cheaply".I cannot imagine a WYO being built for less then what
an amateur can build it for,especially since us un-real builders
pretty much eat our labour.Furthermore,since we are our own
clients,we tend to splurge on all sorts of little "custom
features",whose labour would cost alot with a pro AND we have the
relative luxury of an opened ended launch date!
As far as getting work done in the far east,unless you actually
live there,this is going to be perhaps one of the most expensive
WYO's ever done once you've factored in shipping the beast back home!
This design appears to be a rather straight forward building job
and our own Jeff is blazing along at a grand clip with tons of step
by step photos to boot!Furthermore,by building her in three sections
like Jeff is doing,folks who may appeal to to the reasoning of"I
don't have enough space" to put off doing one,effectively have to
abandon that train of thought!
One further observation regarding a pro shop in the far
east,unless a shop is set up for and familiar with Bolger Boxes,it is
not clear to me that they will necessarily be quicker or more
efficient in the execution of the design since they are usually
tooled up for a completely different type of hull construction.
At any rate,hopefully you will be sufficiently inspired by the
various responses to perhaps reconsider this design from a different
perspective and explore other routes toward completing her :-) It
does not have to be hard!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,doing his best to encourage another innocent victim
into the mad world of "un-real" boatbuilding with all of its'
attendant pleasures/surprises,while looking out at falling snow along
the shores of the St.Lawrence........
--- In bolger@y..., "slovakglen" <slovakglen@y...> wrote:
I'm also
> wondering if this type of boat could be built cheaply by a real
> builder, since I am not interested in building her myself. Maybe a
> yard in the Far East?
>
> Glen
> however much _we_ like it. A local boatshop, or even an interested housecarpenter could
> help you out -and to a decent standard.Excellent idea. In fact the Wyo is so basic in construction that if you
could find a decent carpenter with a couple of helpers, they could probably
put it together in a month or two. You could set up a few saw horses on the
garage and spend a month or two coating the plywood with epoxy / glass
yourself before construction began.
Any basic home is harder to build than the Wyo! Heck a simple A frame cabin
is more difficult.
Jeff
Forgot...
Another source for Wyo study plans is by sending $2 to
Messing About In Boats
Bob Hicks
29 Burley St.
Wenham, MA 01984-1943
978-774-0906
Ask for Issue Volume 18 -Number 6, August 1, 2000
Another source for Wyo study plans is by sending $2 to
Messing About In Boats
Bob Hicks
29 Burley St.
Wenham, MA 01984-1943
978-774-0906
Ask for Issue Volume 18 -Number 6, August 1, 2000
Contemplating a boat that size is a bit out of my league, but...
-See if you can find 'Boats With An Open Mind.' Otherwise, some Googling yields a lot to
think about.
-All the long and lean Bolger outboard stilettos get their good characteristics from being
comparatively light. Wyo is big enough to handle a lot of weight, but perhaps not a heavy
diesel in the stern. Do you want the motor anywhere else? There's no bilge to tuck it in.
-Bolger himself makes the point that what's relatively easy for the amateur is also quick
for a professional. The far East yard idea seems fraught with problems, though you might
get one made with exotic wood and to a high standard. If wanting that, and once you ship
it back this side of the Pacific, any resale value is bound to be infected by the model,
however much _we_ like it. A local boatshop, or even an interested house carpenter could
help you out -and to a decent standard.
Admiring your ambition,
Mark
slovakglen wrote:
-See if you can find 'Boats With An Open Mind.' Otherwise, some Googling yields a lot to
think about.
-All the long and lean Bolger outboard stilettos get their good characteristics from being
comparatively light. Wyo is big enough to handle a lot of weight, but perhaps not a heavy
diesel in the stern. Do you want the motor anywhere else? There's no bilge to tuck it in.
-Bolger himself makes the point that what's relatively easy for the amateur is also quick
for a professional. The far East yard idea seems fraught with problems, though you might
get one made with exotic wood and to a high standard. If wanting that, and once you ship
it back this side of the Pacific, any resale value is bound to be infected by the model,
however much _we_ like it. A local boatshop, or even an interested house carpenter could
help you out -and to a decent standard.
Admiring your ambition,
Mark
slovakglen wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can buy study plans for Wyoming?
>
> I've read through the threads on this great boat. Does anyone
> know whether a diesel inboard is a possibility? I'm also
> wondering if this type of boat could be built cheaply by a real
> builder, since I am not interested in building her myself. Maybe a
> yard in the Far East?
>
> Glen
I don't believe there are any study plans for the Wyoming. I paid $300.00
from PB&F a year ago. Their address and fax number is at the bottom of each
posting.
As far as the diesel inboard, yes that could be an option but you'd have to
design it in yourself. Keep it to light weight diesels say, under 800lbs.
and move the motor box forward to the center of the cockpit. They boat can
handle the weight but you would need to go to at least a 40HP to keep enough
power on hand for bad weather.
Building cheap is more of a function of labor cost. I personally believe
you could put one together for $7000 or $8000 U.S., if you scrounge around
and are willing to go with the bare necessities. This is just for lumber,
motor and other gear is added on. Starting at 100 sheets of plywood at
$46.00/sheet and go up and down depending on quality and price in your area.
I believe Mr. Bolger is on track when he says a boat like the Wyo can be
assembled fast by a crew who knows what they are doing. A very wild guess
as to the hours with a knowledgable wooden boat building crew would be 800
hours but that certainly wouldn't get you much in finish work or trim.
That's about 10 men working two weeks. You of course would have several
hundred hours in painting, trimming, etc.
I'm very familiar with the Wyoming construction techniques but have
absolutely no experience with professional builders.
Jeff
www.dreamwater.net/cosailor
Jeff
from PB&F a year ago. Their address and fax number is at the bottom of each
posting.
As far as the diesel inboard, yes that could be an option but you'd have to
design it in yourself. Keep it to light weight diesels say, under 800lbs.
and move the motor box forward to the center of the cockpit. They boat can
handle the weight but you would need to go to at least a 40HP to keep enough
power on hand for bad weather.
Building cheap is more of a function of labor cost. I personally believe
you could put one together for $7000 or $8000 U.S., if you scrounge around
and are willing to go with the bare necessities. This is just for lumber,
motor and other gear is added on. Starting at 100 sheets of plywood at
$46.00/sheet and go up and down depending on quality and price in your area.
I believe Mr. Bolger is on track when he says a boat like the Wyo can be
assembled fast by a crew who knows what they are doing. A very wild guess
as to the hours with a knowledgable wooden boat building crew would be 800
hours but that certainly wouldn't get you much in finish work or trim.
That's about 10 men working two weeks. You of course would have several
hundred hours in painting, trimming, etc.
I'm very familiar with the Wyoming construction techniques but have
absolutely no experience with professional builders.
Jeff
www.dreamwater.net/cosailor
Jeff
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From: "slovakglen" <slovakglen@...>
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Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 2:32 PM
Subject: [bolger] Wyoming Plans and a Builder
> Does anyone know where I can buy study plans for Wyoming?
>
> I've read through the threads on this great boat. Does anyone
> know whether a diesel inboard is a possibility? I'm also
> wondering if this type of boat could be built cheaply by a real
> builder, since I am not interested in building her myself. Maybe a
> yard in the Far East?
>
> Glen
>
>
>
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Does anyone know where I can buy study plans for Wyoming?
I've read through the threads on this great boat. Does anyone
know whether a diesel inboard is a possibility? I'm also
wondering if this type of boat could be built cheaply by a real
builder, since I am not interested in building her myself. Maybe a
yard in the Far East?
Glen
I've read through the threads on this great boat. Does anyone
know whether a diesel inboard is a possibility? I'm also
wondering if this type of boat could be built cheaply by a real
builder, since I am not interested in building her myself. Maybe a
yard in the Far East?
Glen