[bolger] Potter vs. Micro
Catching up on past couple days bolger indexes.. not sure if this was
mentioned, but the Potter 15's cabin is only like 36" high on the
inside, making it too small to sit on porta potti (atleast for me). If
you need to go, you gotta leave the hatch open. Looks like the Micro
has enough room, ofcourse making it win again :)
David Routh
mentioned, but the Potter 15's cabin is only like 36" high on the
inside, making it too small to sit on porta potti (atleast for me). If
you need to go, you gotta leave the hatch open. Looks like the Micro
has enough room, ofcourse making it win again :)
David Routh
I saw a Potter 19 in the Keys. Their high bow "shippy" lines make them
look like bigger boats then they are from a distance. This boat was new
and the owner was all aglow with pride. He pulled her with his Toyota
corrolla as I recall. I personally wouldn't want to sail shoal waters
with a heavy metal dagger board. Bump, ouch, glug glug...
David
alex wrote:
alex
"david jost" <djos-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2487
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look like bigger boats then they are from a distance. This boat was new
and the owner was all aglow with pride. He pulled her with his Toyota
corrolla as I recall. I personally wouldn't want to sail shoal waters
with a heavy metal dagger board. Bump, ouch, glug glug...
David
alex wrote:
>You may add that Potter is the slowest 15 footer out there are.
> David,
alex
"david jost" <djos-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2487
> It is interesting that someone would through the West White Potterinto
> the discussion. These two boats were the ones I was debating in myrest
> quest for a suitable micro cruiser.
> I chose the Micro due to the following reasons.
>
> 1. The Potter has a dagger board slot that is essentially the worlds
> largest through hull. If the boat is swamped, it would be virtually
> impossible to bail out in all but the calmest seas. I know that long
> voyages have been made in these, but people have also gone over Niagra
> Falls in barrells too! That does not make it a good idea.
>
> 2. Micro's rig is much more versitile than the Potter's. With the
> mizzen sheeted in and the main eased it should self-steer on most
> windward points. I hope.
>
> 3. The actual trailering draft is not significantly different between
> the two boats. Micro is deeper, but a good trailer/cradle should
> negate the problem
>
> 4. The accomodations and storage on Micro appear to be greater. I
> think that having the outboard and gas in a separate area from the
> of the space should sweeten the smell in the "cabin".--
>
> 5. the cockpit of the Potter is not long enough to lie down in. I
> love to take a snooze on a nice sunny day and relax, I think I can
> just squeeze in against the bulkhead and let my feet extend over the
> outboard well on Micro. (speculation)
>
> 6. I will not have to rely on Ship Chandlers and custom manufacturers
> for hard to secure parts. If something breaks, even a mast, It can be
> readily fabricated.
>
>
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http://rainforest.care2.com/
Simplicity Boats
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/index.html
Here's my latest boat:
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/featherwind.html
Quasi esoteric musical instruments
http://unicornstrings.com
Alex and others
I played a bit with Carl Adler's SailCalculatorPro and came out with a
few indications. First, there's a fair distance between the two boats
in terms of theoretical capabilities. The Micro is stiffer and as a
significantly higher "comfort index"; its cabin and storage space are
much better than the Potter's...
I must say though that I've been well impressed by the two Potters. I
think they're very clever designs, even if not that performant...
Best, Pippo
"alex" <alex-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2526
I played a bit with Carl Adler's SailCalculatorPro and came out with a
few indications. First, there's a fair distance between the two boats
in terms of theoretical capabilities. The Micro is stiffer and as a
significantly higher "comfort index"; its cabin and storage space are
much better than the Potter's...
I must say though that I've been well impressed by the two Potters. I
think they're very clever designs, even if not that performant...
Best, Pippo
"alex" <alex-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2526
> David,
>
> You may add that Potter is the slowest 15 footer out there are.
>
> alex
David,
You may add that Potter is the slowest 15 footer out there are.
alex
"david jost" <djos-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2487
You may add that Potter is the slowest 15 footer out there are.
alex
"david jost" <djos-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2487
> It is interesting that someone would through the West White Potterinto
> the discussion. These two boats were the ones I was debating in myrest
> quest for a suitable micro cruiser.
> I chose the Micro due to the following reasons.
>
> 1. The Potter has a dagger board slot that is essentially the worlds
> largest through hull. If the boat is swamped, it would be virtually
> impossible to bail out in all but the calmest seas. I know that long
> voyages have been made in these, but people have also gone over Niagra
> Falls in barrells too! That does not make it a good idea.
>
> 2. Micro's rig is much more versitile than the Potter's. With the
> mizzen sheeted in and the main eased it should self-steer on most
> windward points. I hope.
>
> 3. The actual trailering draft is not significantly different between
> the two boats. Micro is deeper, but a good trailer/cradle should
> negate the problem
>
> 4. The accomodations and storage on Micro appear to be greater. I
> think that having the outboard and gas in a separate area from the
> of the space should sweeten the smell in the "cabin".
>
> 5. the cockpit of the Potter is not long enough to lie down in. I
> love to take a snooze on a nice sunny day and relax, I think I can
> just squeeze in against the bulkhead and let my feet extend over the
> outboard well on Micro. (speculation)
>
> 6. I will not have to rely on Ship Chandlers and custom manufacturers
> for hard to secure parts. If something breaks, even a mast, It can be
> readily fabricated.
>
>
David, ;-)
As the only two (you and I) non biased, open minded, participants
with no preconceived ideas in the, "more bang for the buck" discussion,
I think it is high time we volunteer as judges, carefully weigh all the
arguments, go over all the entries, discuss all the pros and cons and
then declare the Micro as the, More bang for the buck, winner. ;-)
Micro, micro, your our boat,
If it don't win, then we won't vote!
Stan, Snow Goose, Micros rule!
PS: back to a more serious note, now that the weeds are dead, and the
snow has gone, I'll take and post, to my web site, some pictures of a
home built Micro trailer, for anyone that is looking for ideas on
building one. As they say on PBS, measured drawings will be available
upon request.
As the only two (you and I) non biased, open minded, participants
with no preconceived ideas in the, "more bang for the buck" discussion,
I think it is high time we volunteer as judges, carefully weigh all the
arguments, go over all the entries, discuss all the pros and cons and
then declare the Micro as the, More bang for the buck, winner. ;-)
Micro, micro, your our boat,
If it don't win, then we won't vote!
Stan, Snow Goose, Micros rule!
PS: back to a more serious note, now that the weeds are dead, and the
snow has gone, I'll take and post, to my web site, some pictures of a
home built Micro trailer, for anyone that is looking for ideas on
building one. As they say on PBS, measured drawings will be available
upon request.
It is interesting that someone would through the West White Potter into
the discussion. These two boats were the ones I was debating in my
quest for a suitable micro cruiser.
I chose the Micro due to the following reasons.
1. The Potter has a dagger board slot that is essentially the worlds
largest through hull. If the boat is swamped, it would be virtually
impossible to bail out in all but the calmest seas. I know that long
voyages have been made in these, but people have also gone over Niagra
Falls in barrells too! That does not make it a good idea.
2. Micro's rig is much more versitile than the Potter's. With the
mizzen sheeted in and the main eased it should self-steer on most
windward points. I hope.
3. The actual trailering draft is not significantly different between
the two boats. Micro is deeper, but a good trailer/cradle should
negate the problem
4. The accomodations and storage on Micro appear to be greater. I
think that having the outboard and gas in a separate area from the rest
of the space should sweeten the smell in the "cabin".
5. the cockpit of the Potter is not long enough to lie down in. I
love to take a snooze on a nice sunny day and relax, I think I can
just squeeze in against the bulkhead and let my feet extend over the
outboard well on Micro. (speculation)
6. I will not have to rely on Ship Chandlers and custom manufacturers
for hard to secure parts. If something breaks, even a mast, It can be
readily fabricated.
the discussion. These two boats were the ones I was debating in my
quest for a suitable micro cruiser.
I chose the Micro due to the following reasons.
1. The Potter has a dagger board slot that is essentially the worlds
largest through hull. If the boat is swamped, it would be virtually
impossible to bail out in all but the calmest seas. I know that long
voyages have been made in these, but people have also gone over Niagra
Falls in barrells too! That does not make it a good idea.
2. Micro's rig is much more versitile than the Potter's. With the
mizzen sheeted in and the main eased it should self-steer on most
windward points. I hope.
3. The actual trailering draft is not significantly different between
the two boats. Micro is deeper, but a good trailer/cradle should
negate the problem
4. The accomodations and storage on Micro appear to be greater. I
think that having the outboard and gas in a separate area from the rest
of the space should sweeten the smell in the "cabin".
5. the cockpit of the Potter is not long enough to lie down in. I
love to take a snooze on a nice sunny day and relax, I think I can
just squeeze in against the bulkhead and let my feet extend over the
outboard well on Micro. (speculation)
6. I will not have to rely on Ship Chandlers and custom manufacturers
for hard to secure parts. If something breaks, even a mast, It can be
readily fabricated.