Re: Industrial Formulators Epoxy
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
octane, gas with cleaners, gas with cornohol, and gas mixed with
industrial waste...
while slow is for those with slow twitch muscles.
requested Shell's product list, it was several pages long. So the
fact that there are a few fundamental producers, and a bunch of
formulators, doesn't mean it is all the same.
Its sameness is relative to use. I can't distinguish that much of a
performance diference relative to how it spills on my shop floor, it
all seems relatively difficult to get off. Relative to how is deals
with high structural loading (my bugaboo), and other factors , it
certainly is different between brands. Bolger boats aren't all that
high a use. I would say lamination of bottoms, almost any crud will
work; joints, seems a medium stress, some decks, and possibly rigging
are a highish stress. There are other areas, like impermiability
relative to water ballast tanks, where I think there probably is a
difference, but I don't know what it would be.
> --- "proaconstrictor" wrote:I didn't say that.
> > What else can I say without
> > sounding like a damned salesman? I
> > > will try to get a price list
> > > from my distributor
>Hasn't bothered me so far.
> I'm not an expert, [but does
> that stop me from expressing
> an opinion?] <grin>
>Possibly, like gasoline. But you have your high octane, your low
> Here at my day job we buy epoxy
> by the truckload. And, I
> come away with the distinct
> impression that epoxy resin
> and epoxy hardener are commodities.
octane, gas with cleaners, gas with cornohol, and gas mixed with
industrial waste...
>Fast if for builders with a higher percentage of high twitch muscles,
> Some cures fast, [to use when it
> is cold out] and some cures
> slow [use when it's hot out].
while slow is for those with slow twitch muscles.
>Sure, but what is the point, it certainly isn't all the same. I once
> If you buy of epoxy by the truckload
> the price drops to around $27/gallon
> plus tax, delivered.
>
> I suspect that many epoxy vendors buy
> epoxy in volume and repackage it, with
> fancy labels, marketing-hype and $ mark-up.
requested Shell's product list, it was several pages long. So the
fact that there are a few fundamental producers, and a bunch of
formulators, doesn't mean it is all the same.
Its sameness is relative to use. I can't distinguish that much of a
performance diference relative to how it spills on my shop floor, it
all seems relatively difficult to get off. Relative to how is deals
with high structural loading (my bugaboo), and other factors , it
certainly is different between brands. Bolger boats aren't all that
high a use. I would say lamination of bottoms, almost any crud will
work; joints, seems a medium stress, some decks, and possibly rigging
are a highish stress. There are other areas, like impermiability
relative to water ballast tanks, where I think there probably is a
difference, but I don't know what it would be.
--- In bolger@y..., Chance Curtis <sneakeasy2002@y...> wrote:
to risk a $1,000 paycheck on a
few $27 bottles.
Another problem is that shipping
bottles of epoxy still costs $10
a shot, give or take.
>The way I figure it, not smart
> Mmmmmmmmmmm sounds like you are
> in a position to help out your
> fellow groupies here . hehe
to risk a $1,000 paycheck on a
few $27 bottles.
Another problem is that shipping
bottles of epoxy still costs $10
a shot, give or take.
--- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
all of them are boxes either! (Some have rather extensive beams I
will admit, but with elegant curvature). Lets face it beautiful women
and beautiful boats that share the same ananomical features and
descriptions are not mere coincidenses in my view.
I have a multi-facet plan in place (which may sound like an oxymoron)
that involves getting back into the boat construction scene in it's
new reality of multi-choices for bonding and hardly any choices for
wood. (Ah for the days of bringing sheets of $4,95 plywood back from
Menards in Grand Forks and being waved through at the
border...purchased at par during "Welcome Canada Days"!)
So I am starting with a tender or two to get up to speed on tack and
tape and chine-log construction. Ruben's Nymph and Surf. Also toying
with the idea of a expoxyless boat using ply, ring nails, glue,
polyester resin, fiberglass mat (Yikes!) and glass cloth. I had a
boat constructed thusly that had no signs of delamination after 25
years except at the edges under the outwales.(Not capped off
properly.)
Then, comes the big decision. And I am certain the plans are on the
PCB&F drawing board from what I understand. A trailerable, cosy
liveaboard in the 25 foot range, somewhere between Hasler and Fiji.
If not, then a Micro Navigator, or the Chebacco offshore version.
But that is just today. Who knows what tomorrow will bring? I even
have Elver plans and have done some cedar stripping:-)
(Hmmm whatever happened to Peter's I wonder...)
I know, but I still get the urge to have a shower now and then:-)
> --- In bolger@y..., "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:as
> > some lovely frame/knee combination executed with care
> >
> > Are we still talking boats here Peter?
>
> Yup!,unless you are aware of a creature most rare who has a"frame"
> part of her anatomy ?!?!Yes! I am aware of several as well as their super structures. And not
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan
all of them are boxes either! (Some have rather extensive beams I
will admit, but with elegant curvature). Lets face it beautiful women
and beautiful boats that share the same ananomical features and
descriptions are not mere coincidenses in my view.
I have a multi-facet plan in place (which may sound like an oxymoron)
that involves getting back into the boat construction scene in it's
new reality of multi-choices for bonding and hardly any choices for
wood. (Ah for the days of bringing sheets of $4,95 plywood back from
Menards in Grand Forks and being waved through at the
border...purchased at par during "Welcome Canada Days"!)
So I am starting with a tender or two to get up to speed on tack and
tape and chine-log construction. Ruben's Nymph and Surf. Also toying
with the idea of a expoxyless boat using ply, ring nails, glue,
polyester resin, fiberglass mat (Yikes!) and glass cloth. I had a
boat constructed thusly that had no signs of delamination after 25
years except at the edges under the outwales.(Not capped off
properly.)
Then, comes the big decision. And I am certain the plans are on the
PCB&F drawing board from what I understand. A trailerable, cosy
liveaboard in the 25 foot range, somewhere between Hasler and Fiji.
If not, then a Micro Navigator, or the Chebacco offshore version.
But that is just today. Who knows what tomorrow will bring? I even
have Elver plans and have done some cedar stripping:-)
(Hmmm whatever happened to Peter's I wonder...)
> P.S. Nels,it's never too late to give up on tap water outthere....:-)
I know, but I still get the urge to have a shower now and then:-)
--- In bolger@y..., "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
part of her anatomy ?!?!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
P.S. Nels,it's never too late to give up on tap water out there....:-)
> some lovely frame/knee combination executed with careYup!,unless you are aware of a creature most rare who has a"frame" as
>
> Are we still talking boats here Peter?
part of her anatomy ?!?!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
P.S. Nels,it's never too late to give up on tap water out there....:-)
--- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
some lovely frame/knee combination executed with care
Are we still talking boats here Peter?
> --- In bolger@y..., "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:good
> > Thanks for the information. If I use IFE, will my boat look as
> > as Peter's I wonder?the night with only those beautiful deck beams to occupy your eyes or
> >
> > Nels (Still scratching my head.)
>
>
>
> ARRRRHHH Matey!,
> Think of how sweet she will be as you tuck yourself in for
some lovely frame/knee combination executed with care
Are we still talking boats here Peter?
--- In bolger@y..., "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
T'is a poor craftsman who blames either 'is tools or 'is
bleedin' dog fer shoddy work.....or at least that's what me poor
old"three sheets to the wind" granddaddy used to say.
Nels,we all can do great work with just a bit of patience and
perserverance.Just look at the great stuff posted in the files/photo
sections of the various Bolger groups.
Often times the key lies in sticking to what the designer has
given you and being particular with the details.And by details,I am
specifically refering to the finish stage and the starting stage.A
truly fine finish can,or at least has been known to,forgive many a
sin and by taking the time to properly prepare things(good
lofting,careful cutting etc...) these sins will be small ones.Pretty
much the rest of it happens in the middle,consisting of lots of grunt
work.
And it is here,right smack in the middle of the flying
sawdust,that you must allow your love or passion of things to sail
free!Picture in your minds' eye just how lovely your boat will be
with you sailing along on a fair breeze or just drifting downstream
on some lazy afternoon watching clouds float by overhead.Think of how
sweet she will be as you tuck yourself in for the night with only
those beautiful deck beams to occupy your eyes or some lovely
frame/knee combination executed with care.As you envision these
wonderful scenes,draw in a lung full of air and imagine the fragrance
of clean paint and fresh varnish mingled in with"water"
smells."Listen" to the sounds of your boat being stroked by the
gentle night waves and the anchor line stretching slowly with soft
clapping sounds through the hawse pipe.
That's right Nels,picture yourself in exactly the boat you want
to build.Use her extensively in your daydreams.I am certain that
after a few of these "exercises",you will not be able to help
yourself but to build the most strikingly handsome boat you can!!
Now,tell us all what you want to build and perhaps "we" can all
collectively "dream you" some inspiration!
Hope this helps!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who can only say,"it worked for me",from along the
shores of the St.Lawrence...........
> Thanks for the information. If I use IFE, will my boat look as goodARRRRHHH Matey!,
> as Peter's I wonder?
>
> Nels (Still scratching my head.)
T'is a poor craftsman who blames either 'is tools or 'is
bleedin' dog fer shoddy work.....or at least that's what me poor
old"three sheets to the wind" granddaddy used to say.
Nels,we all can do great work with just a bit of patience and
perserverance.Just look at the great stuff posted in the files/photo
sections of the various Bolger groups.
Often times the key lies in sticking to what the designer has
given you and being particular with the details.And by details,I am
specifically refering to the finish stage and the starting stage.A
truly fine finish can,or at least has been known to,forgive many a
sin and by taking the time to properly prepare things(good
lofting,careful cutting etc...) these sins will be small ones.Pretty
much the rest of it happens in the middle,consisting of lots of grunt
work.
And it is here,right smack in the middle of the flying
sawdust,that you must allow your love or passion of things to sail
free!Picture in your minds' eye just how lovely your boat will be
with you sailing along on a fair breeze or just drifting downstream
on some lazy afternoon watching clouds float by overhead.Think of how
sweet she will be as you tuck yourself in for the night with only
those beautiful deck beams to occupy your eyes or some lovely
frame/knee combination executed with care.As you envision these
wonderful scenes,draw in a lung full of air and imagine the fragrance
of clean paint and fresh varnish mingled in with"water"
smells."Listen" to the sounds of your boat being stroked by the
gentle night waves and the anchor line stretching slowly with soft
clapping sounds through the hawse pipe.
That's right Nels,picture yourself in exactly the boat you want
to build.Use her extensively in your daydreams.I am certain that
after a few of these "exercises",you will not be able to help
yourself but to build the most strikingly handsome boat you can!!
Now,tell us all what you want to build and perhaps "we" can all
collectively "dream you" some inspiration!
Hope this helps!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who can only say,"it worked for me",from along the
shores of the St.Lawrence...........
--- In bolger@y..., Chance Curtis <sneakeasy2002@y...> wrote:
Trouble is we would need TWO truckloads, one of each. Hmmm... even
the empties going back might be useful. That's how the Newfies
invented screetch ya know... or was it "swish"?!
Thanks for the information. If I use IFE, will my boat look as good
as Peter's I wonder?
Nels (Still scratching my head.)
>fellow groupies here . hehe
> Mmmmmmmmmmm sounds like you are in a position to help out your
Trouble is we would need TWO truckloads, one of each. Hmmm... even
the empties going back might be useful. That's how the Newfies
invented screetch ya know... or was it "swish"?!
Thanks for the information. If I use IFE, will my boat look as good
as Peter's I wonder?
Nels (Still scratching my head.)
Mmmmmmmmmmm sounds like you are in a position to help out your fellow groupies here . hehe
CCG
brucehallman <brucehallman@...> wrote:--- "proaconstrictor" wrote:
that stop me from expressing
an opinion?] <grin>
Here at my day job we buy epoxy
by the truckload. And, I
come away with the distinct
impression that epoxy resin
and epoxy hardener are commodities.
Some cures fast, [to use when it
is cold out] and some cures
slow [use when it's hot out].
If you buy of epoxy by the truckload
the price drops to around $27/gallon
plus tax, delivered.
I suspect that many epoxy vendors buy
epoxy in volume and repackage it, with
fancy labels, marketing-hype and $ mark-up.
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brucehallman <brucehallman@...> wrote:--- "proaconstrictor" wrote:
> What else can I say withoutI'm not an expert, [but does
> sounding like a damned salesman? I
> > will try to get a price list
> > from my distributor
that stop me from expressing
an opinion?] <grin>
Here at my day job we buy epoxy
by the truckload. And, I
come away with the distinct
impression that epoxy resin
and epoxy hardener are commodities.
Some cures fast, [to use when it
is cold out] and some cures
slow [use when it's hot out].
If you buy of epoxy by the truckload
the price drops to around $27/gallon
plus tax, delivered.
I suspect that many epoxy vendors buy
epoxy in volume and repackage it, with
fancy labels, marketing-hype and $ mark-up.
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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--- "proaconstrictor" wrote:
that stop me from expressing
an opinion?] <grin>
Here at my day job we buy epoxy
by the truckload. And, I
come away with the distinct
impression that epoxy resin
and epoxy hardener are commodities.
Some cures fast, [to use when it
is cold out] and some cures
slow [use when it's hot out].
If you buy of epoxy by the truckload
the price drops to around $27/gallon
plus tax, delivered.
I suspect that many epoxy vendors buy
epoxy in volume and repackage it, with
fancy labels, marketing-hype and $ mark-up.
> What else can I say withoutI'm not an expert, [but does
> sounding like a damned salesman? I
> > will try to get a price list
> > from my distributor
that stop me from expressing
an opinion?] <grin>
Here at my day job we buy epoxy
by the truckload. And, I
come away with the distinct
impression that epoxy resin
and epoxy hardener are commodities.
Some cures fast, [to use when it
is cold out] and some cures
slow [use when it's hot out].
If you buy of epoxy by the truckload
the price drops to around $27/gallon
plus tax, delivered.
I suspect that many epoxy vendors buy
epoxy in volume and repackage it, with
fancy labels, marketing-hype and $ mark-up.
What else can I say without sounding like a damned salesman? I
oothers. Cost wise they are higher than WEST, where I am, and that
iis whithout doing a border run (all taxes payed), in which case WEST
iis significanty cheaper. I find the people very nice, however,
tthough it has been a while. Check noahsmarine.com for a variety of
pprices.
> will try to get a price list from my distributor so that I can letyou,it
> you know if the prices you linked to are favourable(I usually order
> quantities greater then those listed with a price) or not.Mind
> helps if you can stike a deal with your distributor,especially ifyou
> plan on ordering a lot of the stuff.nnauseating, and the on the boat performance certainly no better than
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,offering up his 2 cents........
>
> Peter makes a persuasive case, however, for me I find the smell
oothers. Cost wise they are higher than WEST, where I am, and that
iis whithout doing a border run (all taxes payed), in which case WEST
iis significanty cheaper. I find the people very nice, however,
tthough it has been a while. Check noahsmarine.com for a variety of
pprices.
Hi Nels,
YES,I have used their products exclusively for my past three
boat building projects and several fussy little repair jobs around
the house.
My Number 1 epoxy is their G-2 epoxy.I use this for all
applications that call for a thickening agent.
Cold Cure,I use only for emergency repairs in less then ideal
conditions ie;repaired a friends cb case UNDERWATER with this
stuff.....it actually cured!
For glassing,it is the LUMINATE 13HA4. I have never worked with
a better product for that usage!!And yes,I've worked with other lines
in the past but this one takes the whole cake and cherry for
performance!
Sealing wood surfaces,like MDO,I use only their S1 sealer.This
stuff stinks to the high heavens but penetrates like nothing else
I've know(including water!) and produces a very hard resistant
surface.
I like the dirt simple 2:1 mix ration too!!
What else can I say without sounding like a damned salesman? I
will try to get a price list from my distributor so that I can let
you know if the prices you linked to are favourable(I usually order
quantities greater then those listed with a price) or not.Mind you,it
helps if you can stike a deal with your distributor,especially if you
plan on ordering a lot of the stuff.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,offering up his 2 cents........
YES,I have used their products exclusively for my past three
boat building projects and several fussy little repair jobs around
the house.
My Number 1 epoxy is their G-2 epoxy.I use this for all
applications that call for a thickening agent.
Cold Cure,I use only for emergency repairs in less then ideal
conditions ie;repaired a friends cb case UNDERWATER with this
stuff.....it actually cured!
For glassing,it is the LUMINATE 13HA4. I have never worked with
a better product for that usage!!And yes,I've worked with other lines
in the past but this one takes the whole cake and cherry for
performance!
Sealing wood surfaces,like MDO,I use only their S1 sealer.This
stuff stinks to the high heavens but penetrates like nothing else
I've know(including water!) and produces a very hard resistant
surface.
I like the dirt simple 2:1 mix ration too!!
What else can I say without sounding like a damned salesman? I
will try to get a price list from my distributor so that I can let
you know if the prices you linked to are favourable(I usually order
quantities greater then those listed with a price) or not.Mind you,it
helps if you can stike a deal with your distributor,especially if you
plan on ordering a lot of the stuff.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,offering up his 2 cents........
--- In bolger@y..., "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if anyone is familiar with this line of epoxy? It
has
> been several years since I used it and I checked their product line
> and instead of three kinds they now have a whole bunch of different
> products I have never heard of.
>
> Are there prices still competitive north of the 49th or is there a
> more economical alternative?
>
>http://www.plasticworld.ca/prod02.htm#5-CURE
>
> Any info appreciated, Nels
Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone is familiar with this line of epoxy? It has
been several years since I used it and I checked their product line
and instead of three kinds they now have a whole bunch of different
products I have never heard of.
Are there prices still competitive north of the 49th or is there a
more economical alternative?
http://www.plasticworld.ca/prod02.htm#5-CURE
Any info appreciated, Nels
I was wondering if anyone is familiar with this line of epoxy? It has
been several years since I used it and I checked their product line
and instead of three kinds they now have a whole bunch of different
products I have never heard of.
Are there prices still competitive north of the 49th or is there a
more economical alternative?
http://www.plasticworld.ca/prod02.htm#5-CURE
Any info appreciated, Nels