Re: quotes for Mircro Lovers
--- In bolger@y..., "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
It is also worth noting that the larger power sharpies,with or
without the box keel,have a centerboard up forward.This is what is
helping the tracking.Bolgers retro-fit of twin skegs on the Champlain
and their presence on Windermere also illustrate that the tracking
issue was not mitigated through the box keel configuration as
originally hoped for.
Its only purpose today appears to be allowing more
volume,bellow the LWL,to help prevent pointy nosed,flat-bottomed
sharpies from digging in too deep when punching through waves of some
note along with allowing more weight in structure to be placed
further forward.
Peter Lenihan
> >It would seem that PCB&F have begun to lean more towards the "boxa
> keel" cutwater type hull (Like Windemere and Fiji) rather than the
> Diablo hull shape. I believe they feel that it is more efficient to
> drive. It is mentioned in BWAOM when talking about Samual Clyde of
> which he says:
>
> "If I were designing such a boat now, I would want to fit her with
> box cutwater as is in Microtrawler et al. I'm sure she would beHi Nels,
> faster and might track better"... Nels
It is also worth noting that the larger power sharpies,with or
without the box keel,have a centerboard up forward.This is what is
helping the tracking.Bolgers retro-fit of twin skegs on the Champlain
and their presence on Windermere also illustrate that the tracking
issue was not mitigated through the box keel configuration as
originally hoped for.
Its only purpose today appears to be allowing more
volume,bellow the LWL,to help prevent pointy nosed,flat-bottomed
sharpies from digging in too deep when punching through waves of some
note along with allowing more weight in structure to be placed
further forward.
Peter Lenihan
> "If I were designing such a boat now, I would want to fit herI'm just guessing, but perhaps the box cutwater model allows more
> with a
> box cutwater as is in Microtrawler et al. I'm sure she would be
> faster and might track better"
displacement volume forward. That would allow the boat to be
effectively longer and float higher, making for a better top speed.
Peter
--- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
Diablo hull shape. I believe they feel that it is more efficient to
drive. It is mentioned in BWAOM when talking about Samual Clyde of
which he says:
"If I were designing such a boat now, I would want to fit her with a
box cutwater as is in Microtrawler et al. I'm sure she would be
faster and might track better"... Nels
> --- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:in
> How
> > about a full-cruise version of the MS 30 motor sailer? Pictures
> > the files at Bolger 2.keel" cutwater type hull (Like Windemere and Fiji) rather than the
> >
> > Peter Vanderwaart
>
>
> Peter,
> Since posting this,I've been scooting around the various file
> folders searching for a similar design that I recall coming across
> awhile ago.
> Finally found it here:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Misc./Diesel.jpg
>
>It would seem that PCB&F have begun to lean more towards the "box
Diablo hull shape. I believe they feel that it is more efficient to
drive. It is mentioned in BWAOM when talking about Samual Clyde of
which he says:
"If I were designing such a boat now, I would want to fit her with a
box cutwater as is in Microtrawler et al. I'm sure she would be
faster and might track better"... Nels
> Phil also built inToo bad. We have perfect weather for the sea trials today: a degree
> the speed capability to get out of fierce weather's way...
>
> No Peter, there are no photos of her building. Sorry about that.
or two above freezing, winds gusting over twenty out of the WSW, and
white horses all over Long Island Sound.
Peter
--- In bolger@y..., Jim Pope <jpope@a...> wrote:
Thank you so much for your punctual reply! I like your idea
very much about exploring the North shore of the St.Lawrence and
maybe even up through the Straits of Belle Isles and North around
the "corner".Properly insulated and with prudent seamanship,this
little vessel would be a fine platform for observing some rather
brutal post ice-age landscaping in comfort!
And where would we all be were it not for the dreams of
yesterday? The future is ripe full of potential for all sorts of
adventure and surprise!
Should our wakes cross again at some future Lake Champlain
Bolger Messabout(2004?),the presence of your company would be greatly
appreciated on board Windermere for the sampling of my Pesky Crews
Italien cuisine!Afterward,the men folk might wish to retire to the
aft deck for a serious study of the passing shoreline while
carressing a robust port into the twilight. You may ask,"and just who
will be driving the ship?" and I would have to confess that it will
also be my Pesky Crew.For, along with driving me crazy,she likes to
drive things in general!
Thanks once again Jim for chiming in before things got lost!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,from the north............
> Hi Peter,building. Sorry about that.
> Ah, the dreams of yesterday. > No Peter, there are no photos of her
> JimHello Jim,
>
Thank you so much for your punctual reply! I like your idea
very much about exploring the North shore of the St.Lawrence and
maybe even up through the Straits of Belle Isles and North around
the "corner".Properly insulated and with prudent seamanship,this
little vessel would be a fine platform for observing some rather
brutal post ice-age landscaping in comfort!
And where would we all be were it not for the dreams of
yesterday? The future is ripe full of potential for all sorts of
adventure and surprise!
Should our wakes cross again at some future Lake Champlain
Bolger Messabout(2004?),the presence of your company would be greatly
appreciated on board Windermere for the sampling of my Pesky Crews
Italien cuisine!Afterward,the men folk might wish to retire to the
aft deck for a serious study of the passing shoreline while
carressing a robust port into the twilight. You may ask,"and just who
will be driving the ship?" and I would have to confess that it will
also be my Pesky Crew.For, along with driving me crazy,she likes to
drive things in general!
Thanks once again Jim for chiming in before things got lost!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,from the north............
Hi Peter,
Ah, the dreams of yesterday. I went to PCB with a rough sketch of the boat that I had been sketching
again and and again for many years. That cartoon was the result. It all happened before I got broke
and took up life on social security so nothing was ever built and won't be now.
At the time I wanted to go North and explore the Labrador shores of your river. I seem to remember
what appeared from the air as fairly long fjord like inlets which appeared intriguing, and still do.
I already knew that if I were ever to go I would have to go alone so she's really designed with that
reality in mind, one or at most two people as crew.
Throttled way back she'd run at hull speed or a little less for a very long way. Phil also built in
the speed capability to get out of fierce weather's way (and to retain at least some resaleability).
The intention was to build her economically out of plywood. Her shape allows that. But I don't think
that she'd be an easy boat for a beginning amateur to build. You could, of course, I've seen your
work, and there are some other guys on the list who are the equal of most any professionals in the
boat building business.
No Peter, there are no photos of her building. Sorry about that.
Jim
Peter Lenihan wrote:
Ah, the dreams of yesterday. I went to PCB with a rough sketch of the boat that I had been sketching
again and and again for many years. That cartoon was the result. It all happened before I got broke
and took up life on social security so nothing was ever built and won't be now.
At the time I wanted to go North and explore the Labrador shores of your river. I seem to remember
what appeared from the air as fairly long fjord like inlets which appeared intriguing, and still do.
I already knew that if I were ever to go I would have to go alone so she's really designed with that
reality in mind, one or at most two people as crew.
Throttled way back she'd run at hull speed or a little less for a very long way. Phil also built in
the speed capability to get out of fierce weather's way (and to retain at least some resaleability).
The intention was to build her economically out of plywood. Her shape allows that. But I don't think
that she'd be an easy boat for a beginning amateur to build. You could, of course, I've seen your
work, and there are some other guys on the list who are the equal of most any professionals in the
boat building business.
No Peter, there are no photos of her building. Sorry about that.
Jim
Peter Lenihan wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> How
> > about a full-cruise version of the MS 30 motor sailer? Pictures in
> > the files at Bolger 2.
> >
> > Peter Vanderwaart
>
> Peter,
> Since posting this,I've been scooting around the various file
> folders searching for a similar design that I recall coming across
> awhile ago.
> Finally found it here:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Misc./Diesel.jpg
>
> This boat looks like it would also fill many a wish lists for a
> no-nonsense type coastal (light) cruiser able to ride though some
> nasty chop.The aft cabin looks really cozy while the foreward state-
> room ought to be relatively quite with that slick entry!
> Perhaps,Jim Pope might even chime in with the necessary
> background info relating to the genesis of this design proposal and
> (wish of wishes,dream of dreams) progress photos ta boot!!!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,wishing he had hundreds of years and buckets of cash to
> build all the designs he ever loved,from all the snowy shores of the
> S.Lawrence...........
>
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Well remembered! I agree she looks dandy. - Peter
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Misc./Diesel.jpg
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
How
> about a full-cruise version of the MS 30 motor sailer? Pictures in
> the files at Bolger 2.
>
> Peter Vanderwaart
Peter,
Since posting this,I've been scooting around the various file
folders searching for a similar design that I recall coming across
awhile ago.
Finally found it here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Misc./Diesel.jpg
This boat looks like it would also fill many a wish lists for a
no-nonsense type coastal (light) cruiser able to ride though some
nasty chop.The aft cabin looks really cozy while the foreward state-
room ought to be relatively quite with that slick entry!
Perhaps,Jim Pope might even chime in with the necessary
background info relating to the genesis of this design proposal and
(wish of wishes,dream of dreams) progress photos ta boot!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,wishing he had hundreds of years and buckets of cash to
build all the designs he ever loved,from all the snowy shores of the
S.Lawrence...........
--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
show up well in that illustration. Actually the sail was "grafted"
off of a Micro Navigator cartoon. But to me it seems to fit that boat
quite well. My plan is to have a canopy over the dancefloor in
between the two cabins and of course the hold will be converted into
a wine cellar:-)
Nels
> To many strings.It has fewer strings than any of the schooner rigs, but it doesn't
>
show up well in that illustration. Actually the sail was "grafted"
off of a Micro Navigator cartoon. But to me it seems to fit that boat
quite well. My plan is to have a canopy over the dancefloor in
between the two cabins and of course the hold will be converted into
a wine cellar:-)
Nels
To many strings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "brucehallman" <brucehallman@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:42 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: quotes for Mircro Lovers
> > about a full-cruise version
> > of the MS 30 motor sailer?
>
> There is that Chinese Gaff rig again!
>
> Anybody 'round here actually sailed
> with that PB&F invented rig?
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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>
> about a full-cruise versionThere is that Chinese Gaff rig again!
> of the MS 30 motor sailer?
Anybody 'round here actually sailed
with that PB&F invented rig?
Peter V.,
You got me there with a really fine example of the sort of boat we
just don't see enough of!!
However,I'd hook up an extra power plant to cover the redundancy
question regarding the Lake series of Bolger designs and cherish
every minute in my fully sheltered climate controled greenhouse with
full standing headroom for midnight two steps with Waltzing Matilda
drifting out of the sound system and velvet slippers to navigate
through the little puddles formed by the chilled glasses of bubbly
dripping all over the place......and yes,I'd only move on a good
forecast :-)
Peter Lenihan,with that tune firmly stuck in my head..........
You got me there with a really fine example of the sort of boat we
just don't see enough of!!
However,I'd hook up an extra power plant to cover the redundancy
question regarding the Lake series of Bolger designs and cherish
every minute in my fully sheltered climate controled greenhouse with
full standing headroom for midnight two steps with Waltzing Matilda
drifting out of the sound system and velvet slippers to navigate
through the little puddles formed by the chilled glasses of bubbly
dripping all over the place......and yes,I'd only move on a good
forecast :-)
Peter Lenihan,with that tune firmly stuck in my head..........
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
>
> For a long coastal passage on a wild coast, I would want a
> motorsailer. Nothing like redundancy in the propulsion system. How
> about a full-cruise version of the MS 30 motor sailer? Pictures in
> the files at Bolger 2.
>
> Peter Vanderwaart
> Perhaps a Bolger CHAMPLAINFor a long coastal passage on a wild coast, I would want a
> or WINDERMERE is lurking somewhere over your horizon? It really is
> tough to chose since you can't beat the range of CHAMPLAIN nor the
> palacial comforts of WINDERMERE.
motorsailer. Nothing like redundancy in the propulsion system. How
about a full-cruise version of the MS 30 motor sailer? Pictures in
the files at Bolger 2.
Peter Vanderwaart
So Bruce......whatchya goin' build for your own personal "tour du
monde"? Judging from your description,you will certainly need a live-
a-board type and since this sort of trip should be both fun and
relaxing,why stint on creature comforts? Perhaps a Bolger CHAMPLAIN
or WINDERMERE is lurking somewhere over your horizon? It really is
tough to chose since you can't beat the range of CHAMPLAIN nor the
palacial comforts of WINDERMERE.Also,they both offer unprecedented
shelter from tropical sun rays and dirty rain showers without
impeding the view of what I imagine is some rather stunning coast
lines!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,envious of those about to begin another summer season
in the antipodes............
monde"? Judging from your description,you will certainly need a live-
a-board type and since this sort of trip should be both fun and
relaxing,why stint on creature comforts? Perhaps a Bolger CHAMPLAIN
or WINDERMERE is lurking somewhere over your horizon? It really is
tough to chose since you can't beat the range of CHAMPLAIN nor the
palacial comforts of WINDERMERE.Also,they both offer unprecedented
shelter from tropical sun rays and dirty rain showers without
impeding the view of what I imagine is some rather stunning coast
lines!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,envious of those about to begin another summer season
in the antipodes............
--- In bolger@y..., Bruce Fountain <fountainb@s...> wrote:
>
> I hope to do this trip myself one day, but it won't be in a micro.
>
> --
> Bruce Fountain (fountainb@s...)
> Senior Software Engineer
> Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
> Perth Western Australia
> tel: +618 9256 0083
On Friday 22 November 2002 04:02, dbaldnz wrote:
wasn't offshore-cabable. There are large stretches of Australian
coastline, especially on the west and south coasts, where you won't
see anything resembling a harbour or anchorage, natural or otherwise,
for many hundreds of kilometres. The entire west coast is a lee shore.
I hope to do this trip myself one day, but it won't be in a micro.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
> I contacted Bolger when I ordered my Navigator plans, and suggestedI wouldn't want to attempt an oz circumnavigation in anything that
> she was not really able for ocean cruising. He replied that the
> design was for an Australian who wanted to circle his country, and
> she would not be suitable for my offshore waters in NZ. Port hopping.
wasn't offshore-cabable. There are large stretches of Australian
coastline, especially on the west and south coasts, where you won't
see anything resembling a harbour or anchorage, natural or otherwise,
for many hundreds of kilometres. The entire west coast is a lee shore.
I hope to do this trip myself one day, but it won't be in a micro.
--
Bruce Fountain (fountainb@...)
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch and Signal Pty Ltd
Perth Western Australia
tel: +618 9256 0083
I think that isthe same model I have, in different colours. It will
hold two 6 footers or three lesser mortals. I find it best to kneel
to row.
Jamie
hold two 6 footers or three lesser mortals. I find it best to kneel
to row.
Jamie
--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> I'm thinking the HF250 as depicted with the guy standing in it here:
>http://www.inflatableboats.net/sevyspec_html/hunt.htm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...>
> To: <bolger@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:04 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Cheap Inflatables (pool toys) for tenders
>
>
> > >From PCB's famous essay _The Lovers_ about
> > Micro, quoting:
> >
> > "An April sun is rising over Italy,
> > far out of sight over the lee quarter
> > of the tiny cat-yawl making her way toward France."
> > ...
> > "A very small inflatable boat is in tow."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
posts
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and
<snip> away
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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> >
Correct Peter.
I contacted Bolger when I ordered my Navigator plans, and suggested
she was not really able for ocean cruising. He replied that the
design was for an Australian who wanted to circle his country, and
she would not be suitable for my offshore waters in NZ. Port hopping.
If I would ever consider a Micro for offshore, it would be the
standard Micro, built from at least 1/2" ply, with a stronger keel
connection and a rounded bow to ease the noise and violent motion
(at times). Certainly not the high vulnerable cabin top of
Navigator. I would trade the floatation of the high top for the
ability to hunker down, closed and low in a strong little
selfrighting box, anyday. As for sail handling, Micro is very small,
and Navigator sail handling features could be adapted to the
standard hull anyway.
And when it comes to that, there are more suitable designs around
for micro ocean cruising.
DonB
I contacted Bolger when I ordered my Navigator plans, and suggested
she was not really able for ocean cruising. He replied that the
design was for an Australian who wanted to circle his country, and
she would not be suitable for my offshore waters in NZ. Port hopping.
If I would ever consider a Micro for offshore, it would be the
standard Micro, built from at least 1/2" ply, with a stronger keel
connection and a rounded bow to ease the noise and violent motion
(at times). Certainly not the high vulnerable cabin top of
Navigator. I would trade the floatation of the high top for the
ability to hunker down, closed and low in a strong little
selfrighting box, anyday. As for sail handling, Micro is very small,
and Navigator sail handling features could be adapted to the
standard hull anyway.
And when it comes to that, there are more suitable designs around
for micro ocean cruising.
DonB
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> > From PCB's famous essay _The Lovers_ about
>
> Another quote from the same essay which is applicable to current
> threads:
>
> "The Libeccio, a southwest dry gale, blew up out of a clear sky as
> they neared Cape Corse.... If they'd been on the west coast of
> Corsica, the would have piled up on the lee shore."
>
> Bolger clearly means this as a caution about takeing the ocean-
> crossing capabilities of Micro too seriously.
>
> Peter
> From PCB's famous essay _The Lovers_ aboutAnother quote from the same essay which is applicable to current
threads:
"The Libeccio, a southwest dry gale, blew up out of a clear sky as
they neared Cape Corse.... If they'd been on the west coast of
Corsica, the would have piled up on the lee shore."
Bolger clearly means this as a caution about takeing the ocean-
crossing capabilities of Micro too seriously.
Peter
I've heard all the arguments about the advantages of hard dingies.
However, Chebacco, while many things, is not a tug boat. Towing a dinghy
significatly slows you down. I tried towing an elegant punt on my last
cruise. Didn't think much of it.
Slowed the boat by at least half in some conditions, beating to windward in
larger waves specificaly. Exactly where you need the most speed.
However, Chebacco, while many things, is not a tug boat. Towing a dinghy
significatly slows you down. I tried towing an elegant punt on my last
cruise. Didn't think much of it.
Slowed the boat by at least half in some conditions, beating to windward in
larger waves specificaly. Exactly where you need the most speed.
----- Original Message -----
From: "brucehallman" <brucehallman@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:04 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cheap Inflatables (pool toys) for tenders
> >From PCB's famous essay _The Lovers_ about
> Micro, quoting:
>
> "An April sun is rising over Italy,
> far out of sight over the lee quarter
> of the tiny cat-yawl making her way toward France."
> ...
> "A very small inflatable boat is in tow."
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
>
I'm thinking the HF250 as depicted with the guy standing in it here:
http://www.inflatableboats.net/sevyspec_html/hunt.htm
http://www.inflatableboats.net/sevyspec_html/hunt.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "brucehallman" <brucehallman@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:04 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cheap Inflatables (pool toys) for tenders
> >From PCB's famous essay _The Lovers_ about
> Micro, quoting:
>
> "An April sun is rising over Italy,
> far out of sight over the lee quarter
> of the tiny cat-yawl making her way toward France."
> ...
> "A very small inflatable boat is in tow."
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
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>
>
From PCB's famous essay _The Lovers_ about
Micro, quoting:
"An April sun is rising over Italy,
far out of sight over the lee quarter
of the tiny cat-yawl making her way toward France."
...
"A very small inflatable boat is in tow."
Micro, quoting:
"An April sun is rising over Italy,
far out of sight over the lee quarter
of the tiny cat-yawl making her way toward France."
...
"A very small inflatable boat is in tow."
I have one of the sevylor one man inflatable kayaks that I carry on
board the Dovekie. The whole kayak including oars fits in a standard
milk crate and can be inflated and in the water in about four minutes
if you have one of larger, river raft pumps. They sell for about
$100 with the larger 2 seat version about $220. Even with a very
shallow draft boat like the Dovekie it is nice to be able to get to
shore without shifting your anchor when you are already settled in
for the night. As verses an inflatable raft, the kayak paddles very
easily and I have had it out in up to 20-25 knot winds and it still
handled well as long as the waves weren't too large. If it is pulled
up to the stern of the boat and the bow lifted just clear of the
water it tows with no discernable drag at all. You can also now get
more expensive inflatable whitewater kayaks that would be useful for
more extensive exploration away from the mother ship.
board the Dovekie. The whole kayak including oars fits in a standard
milk crate and can be inflated and in the water in about four minutes
if you have one of larger, river raft pumps. They sell for about
$100 with the larger 2 seat version about $220. Even with a very
shallow draft boat like the Dovekie it is nice to be able to get to
shore without shifting your anchor when you are already settled in
for the night. As verses an inflatable raft, the kayak paddles very
easily and I have had it out in up to 20-25 knot winds and it still
handled well as long as the waves weren't too large. If it is pulled
up to the stern of the boat and the bow lifted just clear of the
water it tows with no discernable drag at all. You can also now get
more expensive inflatable whitewater kayaks that would be useful for
more extensive exploration away from the mother ship.
--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> Jammie Orr uses a 3 person Seyvor inflatable, "a step above a pool
toy", as
> the tender for Wayward Lass.
>
> Of course, he has to deal with rocky shores and 10ft tides...
>
> What are your thoughts on a cheap inflatable for a tender?
>
> You can get one for under $50 bucks that would fit in a compartment
inside
> the boat while under sail..
>
> I've always been of the opinion that I would just put the nose of
the boat
> on the beach and leave it at that, one of the many reasons for
shallow
> draft. However, there are situations where a tender would come in
handy.
>
> Thought? Comments? Recomendations? Experiances?
>
> How about the "Intex Sea Hawk" inflatables that are floating around
for
> under $50? (pun intended)
Chebacco to low to the water for that. Though, it would fit on the fore
deck, me thinks. Blocking the view forward unless you stand up.
Something to be said for just using the shallow draft of the mother ship to
get into water shallow enough to use your rubber boots...
Of course, tides might cause issues then...
deck, me thinks. Blocking the view forward unless you stand up.
Something to be said for just using the shallow draft of the mother ship to
get into water shallow enough to use your rubber boots...
Of course, tides might cause issues then...
----- Original Message -----
From: "brucehallman" <brucehallman@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:15 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cheap Inflatables (pool toys) for tenders
> I recall that PB&F have solved
> the 'storage' problem several
> times recently by hanging the
> Tortoise on an outside quarter [or
> transom] with slings and brackets
> 'parbuckled'.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
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>
Why not make the contest fit to the predominant use of a tender?
Same rules but go to the pier and return with 20 gallons of drinking
water, 100lbs of food supply's and 4 cases of beer. This could be
done at a mess about and the loser would pay for all of the supply's
that would then be consumed by everyone at the messabout. I'm sure
that side betting could cover all the cost of the food and drink
since we all enjoy a good boating contest. BTW I will supply my own
diet cola to make sure there is plenty of beer for everyone else.
John
Same rules but go to the pier and return with 20 gallons of drinking
water, 100lbs of food supply's and 4 cases of beer. This could be
done at a mess about and the loser would pay for all of the supply's
that would then be consumed by everyone at the messabout. I'm sure
that side betting could cover all the cost of the food and drink
since we all enjoy a good boating contest. BTW I will supply my own
diet cola to make sure there is plenty of beer for everyone else.
John
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> --- "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> > Can I use an electric pump?
>
> It would only be fair. Still,
> I hate the whining sound of those
> electric air pumps. <g>
>
> We should probably add an
> excursion to our contest:
>
> 1) Build or inflate your boat.
> 2) Then paddle to the town dock
> and buy a case of beer and a
> bag of fried pork rinds.
> 3) Return.
> 4) Drink a beer and eat a pork rind.
>
> Points deducted for a wet butt.
>
> The Tortoise would win that contest.
I think that was suggested in Annie Hill's book, where Tortoise plans were
published (I think it's in one of Payson's books as well).
There is a local builder of nice dories and skiffs here who spent some time
knocking around in the islands. He is reputed to have made a decent living
building simple dinghies on the beach for cruisers whose pricey inflatables
had been damaged or stolen; he'd whack one together in a day and live off
the earnings for a month. He used hand tools he could easily carry around -
a small saw, a hammer, a couple screwdrivers, block plane, tape measure, and
a yankee drill; get the buyer to deliver a couple sheets of plywood and a
tube of goo to the shade of your favorite palm tree.... what a life!
Paul Lefebvre
published (I think it's in one of Payson's books as well).
There is a local builder of nice dories and skiffs here who spent some time
knocking around in the islands. He is reputed to have made a decent living
building simple dinghies on the beach for cruisers whose pricey inflatables
had been damaged or stolen; he'd whack one together in a day and live off
the earnings for a month. He used hand tools he could easily carry around -
a small saw, a hammer, a couple screwdrivers, block plane, tape measure, and
a yankee drill; get the buyer to deliver a couple sheets of plywood and a
tube of goo to the shade of your favorite palm tree.... what a life!
Paul Lefebvre
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Romasco [mailto:dromasco@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:19 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Cheap Inflatables (pool toys) for tenders
>
>
> I seem to recall a story of someone cruising with the precut makings of
> a second Tortoise under their bunk mattresses in case the working
> Tortoise took flight.
>
>
--- "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
I hate the whining sound of those
electric air pumps. <g>
We should probably add an
excursion to our contest:
1) Build or inflate your boat.
2) Then paddle to the town dock
and buy a case of beer and a
bag of fried pork rinds.
3) Return.
4) Drink a beer and eat a pork rind.
Points deducted for a wet butt.
The Tortoise would win that contest.
> Can I use an electric pump?It would only be fair. Still,
I hate the whining sound of those
electric air pumps. <g>
We should probably add an
excursion to our contest:
1) Build or inflate your boat.
2) Then paddle to the town dock
and buy a case of beer and a
bag of fried pork rinds.
3) Return.
4) Drink a beer and eat a pork rind.
Points deducted for a wet butt.
The Tortoise would win that contest.
Would be close. Can I use an electric pump?
----- Original Message -----
From: "brucehallman" <brucehallman@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:03 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cheap Inflatables (pool toys) for tenders
> --- "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
> > Ya, but can you fold up a Tortoise
> > and stick it in the aft compartment so
> > you don't have to tow it?
>
> No, fair enough.
>
> <big grin> I call and raise: ;)
>
> I dare you to a race:
>
> You inflating your toy...
>
> =against me with=
>
> ..a screw gun and caulk
> assembling pre-fab'ed
> Tortoise parts.
>
> <big grin>
>
> ===================================
> Damn my free associating mind. <g>
>
> I wonder if pre-drilled 1/8" Lexan
> would make a suitable bottom for
> a pre-fab portable Tortoise?
>
> 'Glass' bottom boat, = more fun!
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
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>
>
I recall that PB&F have solved
the 'storage' problem several
times recently by hanging the
Tortoise on an outside quarter [or
transom] with slings and brackets
'parbuckled'.
the 'storage' problem several
times recently by hanging the
Tortoise on an outside quarter [or
transom] with slings and brackets
'parbuckled'.
--- "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
<big grin> I call and raise: ;)
I dare you to a race:
You inflating your toy...
=against me with=
..a screw gun and caulk
assembling pre-fab'ed
Tortoise parts.
<big grin>
===================================
Damn my free associating mind. <g>
I wonder if pre-drilled 1/8" Lexan
would make a suitable bottom for
a pre-fab portable Tortoise?
'Glass' bottom boat, = more fun!
> Ya, but can you fold up a TortoiseNo, fair enough.
> and stick it in the aft compartment so
> you don't have to tow it?
<big grin> I call and raise: ;)
I dare you to a race:
You inflating your toy...
=against me with=
..a screw gun and caulk
assembling pre-fab'ed
Tortoise parts.
<big grin>
===================================
Damn my free associating mind. <g>
I wonder if pre-drilled 1/8" Lexan
would make a suitable bottom for
a pre-fab portable Tortoise?
'Glass' bottom boat, = more fun!
Ya, but can you fold up a Tortoise and stick it in the aft compartment so
you don't have to tow it?
you don't have to tow it?
----- Original Message -----
From: "brucehallman" <brucehallman@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:11 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cheap Inflatables (pool toys) for tenders
> > very small boat, very much in the Bolger spirit:
>
> It is worth mentioning again, :) that PCB's
> answer to the 'cheap/small/capable'
> tender question is: Tortoise.
>
> Cost:
> ======
> Two sheets 1/4" luaun @ $9 = $18
> Three 2x4x10' = $12
> Nails = $2
> Glue = $2
> Paint = $5
> ======
> Total = $39
>
> Easily built in a weekend with common tools, fun too.
>
> I dare you to stand up in a pool toy. <grin>
> You can stand up in a Tortoise. <big grin>
>
> There are a number of qualities
> needed in a good tender.
>
> Cheap, small, capable are important,
> but others include fun, the ability
> to be towed, carry a load, stability,
>
> ...and theft resistance which Bolger
> accomplishes through an 'ugly-factor'
> with Tortoise.
>
> Too ugly to steal, and cheap
> enough that if it is stolen
> you wouldn't care.
>
> True genius.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
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>
>
I seem to recall a story of someone cruising with the precut makings of
a second Tortoise under their bunk mattresses in case the working
Tortoise took flight.
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: brucehallman [mailto:brucehallman@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:12 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cheap Inflatables (pool toys) for tenders
answer to the 'cheap/small/capable'
tender question is: Tortoise.
Cost:
======
Two sheets 1/4" luaun @ $9 = $18
Three 2x4x10' = $12
Nails = $2
Glue = $2
Paint = $5
======
Total = $39
Easily built in a weekend with common tools, fun too.
I dare you to stand up in a pool toy. <grin>
You can stand up in a Tortoise. <big grin>
There are a number of qualities
needed in a good tender.
Cheap, small, capable are important,
but others include fun, the ability
to be towed, carry a load, stability,
...and theft resistance which Bolger
accomplishes through an 'ugly-factor'
with Tortoise.
Too ugly to steal, and cheap
enough that if it is stolen
you wouldn't care.
True genius.
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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a second Tortoise under their bunk mattresses in case the working
Tortoise took flight.
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: brucehallman [mailto:brucehallman@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:12 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cheap Inflatables (pool toys) for tenders
> very small boat, very much in the Bolger spirit:It is worth mentioning again, :) that PCB's
answer to the 'cheap/small/capable'
tender question is: Tortoise.
Cost:
======
Two sheets 1/4" luaun @ $9 = $18
Three 2x4x10' = $12
Nails = $2
Glue = $2
Paint = $5
======
Total = $39
Easily built in a weekend with common tools, fun too.
I dare you to stand up in a pool toy. <grin>
You can stand up in a Tortoise. <big grin>
There are a number of qualities
needed in a good tender.
Cheap, small, capable are important,
but others include fun, the ability
to be towed, carry a load, stability,
...and theft resistance which Bolger
accomplishes through an 'ugly-factor'
with Tortoise.
Too ugly to steal, and cheap
enough that if it is stolen
you wouldn't care.
True genius.
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
- To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
- Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> very small boat, very much in the Bolger spirit:It is worth mentioning again, :) that PCB's
answer to the 'cheap/small/capable'
tender question is: Tortoise.
Cost:
======
Two sheets 1/4" luaun @ $9 = $18
Three 2x4x10' = $12
Nails = $2
Glue = $2
Paint = $5
======
Total = $39
Easily built in a weekend with common tools, fun too.
I dare you to stand up in a pool toy. <grin>
You can stand up in a Tortoise. <big grin>
There are a number of qualities
needed in a good tender.
Cheap, small, capable are important,
but others include fun, the ability
to be towed, carry a load, stability,
...and theft resistance which Bolger
accomplishes through an 'ugly-factor'
with Tortoise.
Too ugly to steal, and cheap
enough that if it is stolen
you wouldn't care.
True genius.
Dave and Mindy Bolduc have a foldable dinghy, they used to have more photos
of it and even a sketch I believe, but their site has been changed since I
last visited. Check this link and look at the third photo; you get a sense
of what it's like - very small, narrow, low, paddled with a kayak paddle;
but it folds and stows inside their tiny cruiser. May be worth dropping them
a note. Their site is worth visiting anyway, to see what can be done with a
very small boat, very much in the Bolger spirit:
http://home.triad.rr.com/lcruise/swampthing1.htm
Paul Lefebvre
of it and even a sketch I believe, but their site has been changed since I
last visited. Check this link and look at the third photo; you get a sense
of what it's like - very small, narrow, low, paddled with a kayak paddle;
but it folds and stows inside their tiny cruiser. May be worth dropping them
a note. Their site is worth visiting anyway, to see what can be done with a
very small boat, very much in the Bolger spirit:
http://home.triad.rr.com/lcruise/swampthing1.htm
Paul Lefebvre
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lincoln Ross [mailto:lincolnr@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:13 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Cheap Inflatables (pool toys) for tenders
>
>
> A friend used to use a real cheap raft, paddling with two squares of
> plywood, though ping pong paddles would probably be better. I think
> it's a bit of a safety problem. Seems like there are some workable
> designs for folding, fabric covered skiffs out there. Don't remember
> where.
>
I agree. I have a small inflatable kayak and the first time I
launched it I accidently set it down over the pointy end of a willow
where someone had cut a weiner roast stick:-( Then I tried to paddle
away, impaled on this stick until I noticed the hissing noise.
Which kayak David?
Always curious:-)
Nels
launched it I accidently set it down over the pointy end of a willow
where someone had cut a weiner roast stick:-( Then I tried to paddle
away, impaled on this stick until I noticed the hissing noise.
Which kayak David?
Always curious:-)
Nels
--- In bolger@y..., "dnjost" <djost@m...> wrote:
> I guess it depends on how far you need to go and what you are
> bringing. I would not want to row out to my mooring in a cheap
> inflatable in any kind of breeze, whereas I have rowed my old Nymph
> in all kinds of stuff. This is really a very capable little boat.
>
> You could probably build a tortiose for the same price and it would
> be almost as handy. Something about having a hard floor and sides
> gives me comfort. The rubber rafts don't row worth a darned from
my
> experience in them. I am going to build a kayak this year for
quick
> jaunts in and out, whereas the Pointy skiff will be used when there
> are more than one of us going anywhere.
>
> David Jost
Hi
Richard is right that I use an inflatable somewhere between a pool
toy and a "real" inflatable. But I don't recommend it for doing more
than getting ashore and back, or floating around the anchorage on a
sunny day. It wouldn't take much of a breeze to blow you far
downwind -- hopefully towards shore. A light safety line isn't a bad
idea.
On the plus side, even the worst rowing inflatable can't get lost
when its stowed in its locker, and it'll be ready when the anchor's
down.
Your frequently single-handed, yet unballasted Chebacconist,
Jamie
Richard is right that I use an inflatable somewhere between a pool
toy and a "real" inflatable. But I don't recommend it for doing more
than getting ashore and back, or floating around the anchorage on a
sunny day. It wouldn't take much of a breeze to blow you far
downwind -- hopefully towards shore. A light safety line isn't a bad
idea.
On the plus side, even the worst rowing inflatable can't get lost
when its stowed in its locker, and it'll be ready when the anchor's
down.
Your frequently single-handed, yet unballasted Chebacconist,
Jamie
--- In bolger@y..., "dnjost" <djost@m...> wrote:
> I guess it depends on how far you need to go and what you are
> bringing. I would not want to row out to my mooring in a cheap
> inflatable in any kind of breeze, whereas I have rowed my old Nymph
> in all kinds of stuff. This is really a very capable little boat.
>
> You could probably build a tortiose for the same price and it would
> be almost as handy. Something about having a hard floor and sides
> gives me comfort. The rubber rafts don't row worth a darned from
my
> experience in them. I am going to build a kayak this year for
quick
> jaunts in and out, whereas the Pointy skiff will be used when there
> are more than one of us going anywhere.
>
> David Jost
I guess it depends on how far you need to go and what you are
bringing. I would not want to row out to my mooring in a cheap
inflatable in any kind of breeze, whereas I have rowed my old Nymph
in all kinds of stuff. This is really a very capable little boat.
You could probably build a tortiose for the same price and it would
be almost as handy. Something about having a hard floor and sides
gives me comfort. The rubber rafts don't row worth a darned from my
experience in them. I am going to build a kayak this year for quick
jaunts in and out, whereas the Pointy skiff will be used when there
are more than one of us going anywhere.
David Jost
bringing. I would not want to row out to my mooring in a cheap
inflatable in any kind of breeze, whereas I have rowed my old Nymph
in all kinds of stuff. This is really a very capable little boat.
You could probably build a tortiose for the same price and it would
be almost as handy. Something about having a hard floor and sides
gives me comfort. The rubber rafts don't row worth a darned from my
experience in them. I am going to build a kayak this year for quick
jaunts in and out, whereas the Pointy skiff will be used when there
are more than one of us going anywhere.
David Jost
A friend used to use a real cheap raft, paddling with two squares of
plywood, though ping pong paddles would probably be better. I think
it's a bit of a safety problem. Seems like there are some workable
designs for folding, fabric covered skiffs out there. Don't remember
where.
plywood, though ping pong paddles would probably be better. I think
it's a bit of a safety problem. Seems like there are some workable
designs for folding, fabric covered skiffs out there. Don't remember
where.
--- In bolger@y..., "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...> wrote:
snip However, there are situations where a tender would come in
handy.
>
> Thought? Comments? Recomendations? Experiances?
>
> How about the "Intex Sea Hawk" inflatables that are floating around
for
> under $50? (pun intended)
Jammie Orr uses a 3 person Seyvor inflatable, "a step above a pool toy", as
the tender for Wayward Lass.
Of course, he has to deal with rocky shores and 10ft tides...
What are your thoughts on a cheap inflatable for a tender?
You can get one for under $50 bucks that would fit in a compartment inside
the boat while under sail..
I've always been of the opinion that I would just put the nose of the boat
on the beach and leave it at that, one of the many reasons for shallow
draft. However, there are situations where a tender would come in handy.
Thought? Comments? Recomendations? Experiances?
How about the "Intex Sea Hawk" inflatables that are floating around for
under $50? (pun intended)
the tender for Wayward Lass.
Of course, he has to deal with rocky shores and 10ft tides...
What are your thoughts on a cheap inflatable for a tender?
You can get one for under $50 bucks that would fit in a compartment inside
the boat while under sail..
I've always been of the opinion that I would just put the nose of the boat
on the beach and leave it at that, one of the many reasons for shallow
draft. However, there are situations where a tender would come in handy.
Thought? Comments? Recomendations? Experiances?
How about the "Intex Sea Hawk" inflatables that are floating around for
under $50? (pun intended)