Re: [bolger] Re: Sir Joseph Banks

> the rivers and bays and to live aboard. I was thinking a wide sharpie
> kind of hull. This boat seems to kind of fit that bill. I would want
> some sail with leebords or some kind of lateral stability. Maybe a
> little wider? I'd like a some sheer to the hull and cabin top as
> well. A diesel engine, two dingies one to carry a good sized holding
> tank to be pumped into when at anchor. A good sized coal or wood stove.
> A large halding tank in case we can't pump into the holding dingy.. A
> really big windlass forward and one aft to anchore close to shore in
> narrow rivers. I think she would suit nicely Doug
>
>
> On 02/10/2013 10:25 AM, sirdarnell wrote:
>>
>> If you've won the lottery make her out of copper-nickel (90/10).
>> Slight increase in weight and strength, with same scantlings, but no
>> corrosion or painting, ever.
>>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> "Matthew Long" wrote:
>> >
>> > I have often daydreamed about building Sir Joseph Banks, likely with
>> a reduced hold and more living space, as a floating home, garage and
>> workshop in which to travel the world.
>> >
>> > Was the Sir Joseph Banks project carried through to the point of
>> complete drawings and construction notes? In other words, if I win the
>> lottery and decide that what I really want is a enormous live aboard
>> steel sharpie motorsailer, are the plans ready to go?
>> >
>> > The logical follow on question is--how much might it cost?
>> >
>> > Pure fantasy, of course, but you never know, somebody has to win the
>> lottery!
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Matthew
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Doug Pollard,
> Sailor, Machinst, writer,artist
> Visit me at:
>
>http://sailboatsfairandfine.blogspot.com/
>
>
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Good morning.
> All shoveled out !
>
> #370 "Solution-48" (48'x12'8"x2'6") a lugger-ketch steel centerboarder has been built in a number of copies, sometimes back in the market. Shallow Vee-bottom throughout. Inboard diesel. Sharp ends for occasional overloads without dragging the transom. See DIFFERENT BOATS ch. 25.
>
> Might be too small though for all that wish-list. Something like that could be done as a longer Vee-Nose Sharpie for a sharp entry and otherwise simple thick-scantlings hull with whatever rig geometry...
>
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matthew Long
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:36 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Sir Joseph Banks
>
>
>
> Thanks, Susanne. On the off chance that I don't win the lottery and I would have to tackle such a project with my own retirement funds, are there any other simple steel cruisers in the PB&F catalog that I might want to consider? I do like the simplicity of the sharpie hull in a live aboard that would spend for more time profiting from the shallow draft than uncomfortable because of the heel when cruising.
>
> While I would not want to have something built here--Kenya is not noted for its shipbuilding heritage--there are many places around the world where I might well consider having a commercial shipyard tackle the basic construction, power plant installation and finishing of a simple steel boat and I would do the detail fitting out, interior joinery, electrical, etc. myself.
>
> Any suggestions? Something in 40-50' range, not far off from AS-39 Loose Moose, seems about right.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> >
> > #573 "Sir Joseph Banks" was pushed to plans-status and would indeed be available.
> > Where you are working now, you might get her done to a more favorable budget.
> > A good dream alright.
> >
> > The next MAIB will feature 125'x16'x3'6 motorsailer ketch 'Phouma', which might be available.
> > She is afloat in Eureka, as you already read in earlier postings here...
> >
> > Meanwhile our blizzard produced 22-inches in Boston of mostly fluffy snow. Never lost power. Dramatic looks. Storm-surge between 2 and 4 feet depending on where you are in these parts.
> > I'll try to shovel the snow down-wind...
> >
> > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Matthew Long
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 8:22 AM
> > Subject: [bolger] Sir Joseph Banks
> >
> >
> >
> > I have often daydreamed about building Sir Joseph Banks, likely with a reduced hold and more living space, as a floating home, garage and workshop in which to travel the world.
> >
> > Was the Sir Joseph Banks project carried through to the point of complete drawings and construction notes? In other words, if I win the lottery and decide that what I really want is a enormous live aboard steel sharpie motorsailer, are the plans ready to go?
> >
> > The logical follow on question is--how much might it cost?
> >
> > Pure fantasy, of course, but you never know, somebody has to win the lottery!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Matthew
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From:Matthew Long

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:36 AM

Subject:[bolger] Re: Sir Joseph Banks

 

Thanks, Susanne. On the off chance that I don't win the lottery and I would have to tackle such a project with my own retirement funds, are there any other simple steel cruisers in the PB&F catalog that I might want to consider? I do like the simplicity of the sharpie hull in a live aboard that would spend for more time profiting from the shallow draft than uncomfortable because of the heel when cruising.

While I would not want to have something built here--Kenya is not noted for its shipbuilding heritage--there are many places around the world where I might well consider having a commercial shipyard tackle the basic construction, power plant installation and finishing of a simple steel boat and I would do the detail fitting out, interior joinery, electrical, etc. myself.

Any suggestions? Something in 40-50' range, not far off from AS-39 Loose Moose, seems about right.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> #573 "Sir Joseph Banks" was pushed to plans-status and would indeed be available.
> Where you are working now, you might get her done to a more favorable budget.
> A good dream alright.
>
> The next MAIB will feature 125'x16'x3'6 motorsailer ketch 'Phouma', which might be available.
> She is afloat in Eureka, as you already read in earlier postings here...
>
> Meanwhile our blizzard produced 22-inches in Boston of mostly fluffy snow. Never lost power. Dramatic looks. Storm-surge between 2 and 4 feet depending on where you are in these parts.
> I'll try to shovel the snow down-wind...
>
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matthew Long
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 8:22 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Sir Joseph Banks
>
>
>
> I have often daydreamed about building Sir Joseph Banks, likely with a reduced hold and more living space, as a floating home, garage and workshop in which to travel the world.
>
> Was the Sir Joseph Banks project carried through to the point of complete drawings and construction notes? In other words, if I win the lottery and decide that what I really want is a enormous live aboard steel sharpie motorsailer, are the plans ready to go?
>
> The logical follow on question is--how much might it cost?
>
> Pure fantasy, of course, but you never know, somebody has to win the lottery!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthew
>

 

If you've won the lottery make her out of copper-nickel (90/10). Slight increase in weight and strength, with same scantlings, but no corrosion or painting, ever.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Long" wrote:
>
> I have often daydreamed about building Sir Joseph Banks, likely with a reduced hold and more living space, as a floating home, garage and workshop in which to travel the world.
>
> Was the Sir Joseph Banks project carried through to the point of complete drawings and construction notes? In other words, if I win the lottery and decide that what I really want is a enormous live aboard steel sharpie motorsailer, are the plans ready to go?
>
> The logical follow on question is--how much might it cost?
>
> Pure fantasy, of course, but you never know, somebody has to win the lottery!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthew
>

-- 
                 Doug Pollard, 
      Sailor, Machinst, writer,artist 
                Visit me at:http://sailboatsfairandfine.blogspot.com/

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Long" wrote:
>
> I have often daydreamed about building Sir Joseph Banks, likely with a reduced hold and more living space, as a floating home, garage and workshop in which to travel the world.
>
> Was the Sir Joseph Banks project carried through to the point of complete drawings and construction notes? In other words, if I win the lottery and decide that what I really want is a enormous live aboard steel sharpie motorsailer, are the plans ready to go?
>
> The logical follow on question is--how much might it cost?
>
> Pure fantasy, of course, but you never know, somebody has to win the lottery!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthew
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> #573 "Sir Joseph Banks" was pushed to plans-status and would indeed be available.
> Where you are working now, you might get her done to a more favorable budget.
> A good dream alright.
>
> The next MAIB will feature 125'x16'x3'6 motorsailer ketch 'Phouma', which might be available.
> She is afloat in Eureka, as you already read in earlier postings here...
>
> Meanwhile our blizzard produced 22-inches in Boston of mostly fluffy snow. Never lost power. Dramatic looks. Storm-surge between 2 and 4 feet depending on where you are in these parts.
> I'll try to shovel the snow down-wind...
>
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matthew Long
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 8:22 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Sir Joseph Banks
>
>
>
> I have often daydreamed about building Sir Joseph Banks, likely with a reduced hold and more living space, as a floating home, garage and workshop in which to travel the world.
>
> Was the Sir Joseph Banks project carried through to the point of complete drawings and construction notes? In other words, if I win the lottery and decide that what I really want is a enormous live aboard steel sharpie motorsailer, are the plans ready to go?
>
> The logical follow on question is--how much might it cost?
>
> Pure fantasy, of course, but you never know, somebody has to win the lottery!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthew
>

----- Original Message -----

From:Matthew Long

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Saturday, February 09, 2013 8:22 AM

Subject:[bolger] Sir Joseph Banks

 

I have often daydreamed about building Sir Joseph Banks, likely with a reduced hold and more living space, as a floating home, garage and workshop in which to travel the world.

Was the Sir Joseph Banks project carried through to the point of complete drawings and construction notes? In other words, if I win the lottery and decide that what I really want is a enormous live aboard steel sharpie motorsailer, are the plans ready to go?

The logical follow on question is--how much might it cost?

Pure fantasy, of course, but you never know, somebody has to win the lottery!

Cheers,

Matthew

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@...> wrote:
>
>
> The thing to remember about Weston Martyr is that it was designed for a specific purpose i.e to be capable of exploring the English narrow canals and then crossing the North Sea to do the same in Europe.There was talk of it being sailed from New Zealand(It was commissioned by a Kiwi)but PCB thought that it would have been an exercise in endurance to do that.The problem is that for it's intended purpose the beam is strictly limited to 6'10" by the locks(notionally 7ft but don't rely on it) and a centreboard would take up too much space in what was intended as a liveaboard boat.I was in correspondence with PCB about some aspects of the design - mainly about sailing stability - and didn't touch on centreboards but I think that detacheable leeboards would be the right way to go.Historic practise in the UK was that with one exception narrowboats were towed on the canals,although we have an extensive tradition of sailing barges on the rivers and broader
> waterways.The one exception was the Chesterfield Cuckoos,72'x7',which could be sailed when they exited the canal onto the River Trent,masts,sails and leeboards being kept at West Stockwith for the purpose.The practise declined after the institution of regular towage services on the Trent.The usual route was to go up the Trent to pick up the Witham Navigation and thence to Lincoln and the Fossdyke exiting onto the Wash at Boston.One family is even said to have sailed a Cuckoo there,but I would think that the practise must have been infrequent and a bit hazardous.
> The thing to watch is the ventilation.I've got friends who have lived aboard narrowboats and they are tolerably comfortable in winter in spite of PCB's strictures,given a suitable stove,but they can get damned hot in summer.
> cheers
> Andy Airey
>
> Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>

On Jan 9, 2005, at 2:51 PM, Nels wrote:

>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
>> I wonder what kind of boat Bolger would recommend for
>> the rebuilding of the fishery damaged by the Tsunami?
>
> Great question Bruce!
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I would just like to update what is happening regarding the Jumpa
> Lagi Tsunami Relief Team. Things are really expanding rapidly. There
> are now four additional boats joining Jumpa Lagi as a flotilla as
> well as a logistics manager from the local area, and other
> volunteers. There has been a raised awareness of these efforts, and
> interviews by several newpapers and TV networks.
>
> As well, materials are beginning to arrive to help in re-building the
> fishing fleet., and I welcome any feed-back as to how we might
> collect possible plans to donate to the cause. So far I am not
> certain on the type of boats traditional to the area, whether motor
> or sail, inshore or offshore. I expect all of the above. I really
> feel that a supply of plywood, epoxy, glass tape, ring nails, and
> some simple designs that make the maximum use of standard plywood
> sheets and standard deck, floor and exterior house paint could do it
> for starters.
>
> In addition, a telethon is being notified, and group prayers and
> meditations are being instituted to help guide the relief workers and
> provide solace and comfort for the survivors. This is all keeping me
> busy about 16 to 20 hours a day. All by choice.
>
> More information to follow once I get a bit more caught up here.
>
> I want to personally thank all contributors.
>
> Photo of Jory and his new son here:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/4kca3
>
> Sincerely, Nels
>
>
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>No need to design a new boat. Any of the Higgins Boats (LCT, LCI,
>LCM, LCVP etc) of WWII fame would be perfect for the application. For
>that matter, I wonder where the Marine amphibious transports with
>their LCACs are doing these days.
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>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>
>
>>I am presently involved in the relief work in and around Phuket
>>
>>
>where
>
>
>>almost all the smaller boats, and docking facilities have been
>>destroyed, and the bigger ships loaded with aid can't get the stuff
>>delivered.
>>
>>Boy would a fleet of the above noted Bolger boats be worth their
>>weight in gold over there now! It would be the perfect design for
>>this kind of work, and again shows what a genius Bolger is.
>>
>>I posted a photo of a small cargo junk (80') that is delivering aid
>>to the small, totally isolated islands in the Andaman Sea in case
>>some of you have heard about it being mentioned in some other
>>
>>
>boating
>
>
>>groups. Also I included a file in the files section of Bolger 4
>>shwoing it's capabilities. I could not get them both in one
>>
>>
>location
>
>
>>for some reason.
>>
>>Both the photo and the file start with "Jumpa Lagi" which is the
>>
>>
>name
>
>
>>of the boat, meaning "See You Soon" in the Malay language.
>>
>>Hope this isn't too far off-subject.
>>
>>Cheers, Nels
>>
>>
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> I wonder what kind of boat Bolger would recommend for
> the rebuilding of the fishery damaged by the Tsunami?

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>
> I am presently involved in the relief work in and around Phuket
where
> almost all the smaller boats, and docking facilities have been
> destroyed, and the bigger ships loaded with aid can't get the stuff
> delivered.
>
> Boy would a fleet of the above noted Bolger boats be worth their
> weight in gold over there now! It would be the perfect design for
> this kind of work, and again shows what a genius Bolger is.
>
> I posted a photo of a small cargo junk (80') that is delivering aid
> to the small, totally isolated islands in the Andaman Sea in case
> some of you have heard about it being mentioned in some other
boating
> groups. Also I included a file in the files section of Bolger 4
> shwoing it's capabilities. I could not get them both in one
location
> for some reason.
>
> Both the photo and the file start with "Jumpa Lagi" which is the
name
> of the boat, meaning "See You Soon" in the Malay language.
>
> Hope this isn't too far off-subject.
>
> Cheers, Nels

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Sir Joseph Banks


> weight in gold over there now! It would be the perfect design for
> this kind of work, and again shows what a genius Bolger is.

'Sir Joseph Banks', a beachable, ultra low cost freighter. Mind boggling.

This brings to mind so many of the other Bolger boats that
break the mold of conventional thinking.

Worth mentioning again, the recent 'rethink' PB&SA gave to
the beleaguered commercial fishing fleet of Gloucester.
Published in _National Fisherman_ and discussed here last
August 26th,

I wonder what kind of boat Bolger would recommend for
the rebuilding of the fishery damaged by the Tsunami?


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> weight in gold over there now! It would be the perfect design for
> this kind of work, and again shows what a genius Bolger is.

----- Original Message -----
From: <stefan.probst@opticom.v-nam.net>

> Dear Nels,
>
> call me stupid, but I couldn't find those files, neither in the
> photo, nor the files section of Bolger 4.
>
> Is the Internet playing tricks with me, or did the files disappear?
>
> Cheers,
> Stefan
> in Hanoi, Vietnam
>
> --- "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>>
>> I posted a photo of a small cargo junk (80') that is delivering aid
>> to the small, totally isolated islands in the Andaman Sea in case
>> some of you have heard about it being mentioned in some other
>> boating groups. Also I included a file in the files section
>> of Bolger 4 shwoing it's capabilities.
>>
>> Both the photo and the file start with "Jumpa Lagi"
>> which is the name of the boat ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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>
> I posted a photo of a small cargo junk (80') that is delivering aid
> to the small, totally isolated islands in the Andaman Sea in case
> some of you have heard about it being mentioned in some other
> boating groups. Also I included a file in the files section
> of Bolger 4 shwoing it's capabilities.
>
> Both the photo and the file start with "Jumpa Lagi"
> which is the name of the boat ...

>
>
> I am presently involved in the relief work in and
> around Phuket where
> almost all the smaller boats, and docking facilities
> have been
> destroyed, and the bigger ships loaded with aid
> can't get the stuff
> delivered.
>
> Boy would a fleet of the above noted Bolger boats be
> worth their
> weight in gold over there now! It would be the
> perfect design for
> this kind of work, and again shows what a genius
> Bolger is.
>
> I posted a photo of a small cargo junk (80') that is
> delivering aid
> to the small, totally isolated islands in the
> Andaman Sea in case
> some of you have heard about it being mentioned in
> some other boating
> groups. Also I included a file in the files section
> of Bolger 4
> shwoing it's capabilities. I could not get them both
> in one location
> for some reason.
>
> Both the photo and the file start with "Jumpa Lagi"
> which is the name
> of the boat, meaning "See You Soon" in the Malay
> language.
>
> Hope this isn't too far off-subject.
>
> Cheers, Nels
>

>From: David Ryan <david@...>
>
> I was wondering how long it would take for someone to say SJB. Lots
> of nice assertions, any real world facts to go with them?