Re: [bolger] Re: Dory Question
Be sure to include your reply fax number, I don't think thier machine prints
out the calling fax number.
out the calling fax number.
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From: "pibracing" <mcerio02@...>
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Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 6:04 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Dory Question
| I will send a Fax to Mr Bolger tomorrow and get a price from him on
| the 20 ft Dory plans.Maybe my first attempt was a fluke thing.
|
| Thanks
| Mike C
|
|
| --- In bolger@y..., "pep cruells" <pepcruells@y...> wrote:
| > --- In bolger@y..., "pibracing" <mcerio02@t...> wrote:
| > > I wish there was an easier way to get Bolger plans.
| > >
| > This could be a nice job for Chuck 'Duckworks'.
| > pep
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--- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
designs. They have his permission to do this, and I'm sure they pay
him for them,
porky
> .... As far as I know, the only sources Phil BolgerWoodenBoat Magazine sells a couple of his older, more complex
> has authorized to sell his plans, other than PB&F, are
> Dynamite Payson and Dave Carnell (for his adaptation
> of the Featherwind). Anybody know any others?
designs. They have his permission to do this, and I'm sure they pay
him for them,
porky
I will send a Fax to Mr Bolger tomorrow and get a price from him on
the 20 ft Dory plans.Maybe my first attempt was a fluke thing.
Thanks
Mike C
the 20 ft Dory plans.Maybe my first attempt was a fluke thing.
Thanks
Mike C
--- In bolger@y..., "pep cruells" <pepcruells@y...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "pibracing" <mcerio02@t...> wrote:
> > I wish there was an easier way to get Bolger plans.
> >
> This could be a nice job for Chuck 'Duckworks'.
> pep
--- In bolger@y..., "pibracing" <mcerio02@t...> wrote:
pep
> I wish there was an easier way to get Bolger plans.This could be a nice job for Chuck 'Duckworks'.
>
pep
--- "John Cupp" <caj@k...> wrote:
though the answer I received
was very well considered,
and handwritten by PCB.
And once, they (SA) called me on
the phone to discuss (and answer)
my question in more detail.
Though of course,
your experience may vary,
real people are involved.
> I disagree with that eight week response.In my case a few days elapsed,
> Every time I have faxed
> PB&F I have received a fax back
> the very same day.
though the answer I received
was very well considered,
and handwritten by PCB.
And once, they (SA) called me on
the phone to discuss (and answer)
my question in more detail.
Though of course,
your experience may vary,
real people are involved.
Here is my experience, for what its worth, with
the CSD "big dory."
I built the boat four years ago, my second boat.
I ran across the CSD site and thought it looked like a
beautiful boat. I bought a set of plans, which were
obvious photocopies, but usable. The boat is very
simple to build. I had a question about how the seat
bearers attached to the frames. Since Mr. Bolger's
name was on the plans, I wrote him a letter, telling
him I where I had bought the plans and what my problem
was. He wrote me a prompt, cordial and helpful
response.
I have never had a long lag in correspondence
with PB, although I am sure in a two-man shop it could
happen. I have since had a number of contacts with PB
& SA. I have always found them to be interested and
helpful in the building process far beyond what I
could resonable expect given the small amount of money
I have invested in plans. At the time I built the
stretched light dory, I didn't know about the
PB&F--CSD dispute, and I assumed CSD was an authorized
dealer. Phil Bolger took the time to answer my
(somewhat obvious) questions, despite the fact that he
had not sold me the plans. CSD, by the way, never
answered a letter I wrote them, although they did send
my plans promplty after I ordered them.
As far as I know, the only sources Phil Bolger
has authorized to sell his plans, other than PB&F, are
Dynamite Payson and Dave Carnell (for his adaptation
of the Featherwind). Anybody know any others?
--- pibracing <mcerio02@...> wrote:
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the CSD "big dory."
I built the boat four years ago, my second boat.
I ran across the CSD site and thought it looked like a
beautiful boat. I bought a set of plans, which were
obvious photocopies, but usable. The boat is very
simple to build. I had a question about how the seat
bearers attached to the frames. Since Mr. Bolger's
name was on the plans, I wrote him a letter, telling
him I where I had bought the plans and what my problem
was. He wrote me a prompt, cordial and helpful
response.
I have never had a long lag in correspondence
with PB, although I am sure in a two-man shop it could
happen. I have since had a number of contacts with PB
& SA. I have always found them to be interested and
helpful in the building process far beyond what I
could resonable expect given the small amount of money
I have invested in plans. At the time I built the
stretched light dory, I didn't know about the
PB&F--CSD dispute, and I assumed CSD was an authorized
dealer. Phil Bolger took the time to answer my
(somewhat obvious) questions, despite the fact that he
had not sold me the plans. CSD, by the way, never
answered a letter I wrote them, although they did send
my plans promplty after I ordered them.
As far as I know, the only sources Phil Bolger
has authorized to sell his plans, other than PB&F, are
Dynamite Payson and Dave Carnell (for his adaptation
of the Featherwind). Anybody know any others?
--- pibracing <mcerio02@...> wrote:
> I never had good luck with dealing with Mr Bolger__________________________________________________
> himself.I sent him a
> fax once to ask him a question and I got a response
> 8 weeks later.If I
> have a question on building the boat I dont have 8
> weeks to wait for a
> response.Thank you very much for your response,Do
> you have any photos
> of the one you built?
>
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> eight week response.It's possible that Mr. Bolger was traveling (cruising) if it took
that long. There are problems with a one person shop. Even now that
there are two of them, I have not heard that they have an office
staff to cover if they should happen to go boating for a day or two.
PHV
I disagree with that eight week response. Every time I have faxed
PB&F I have received a fax back the very same day. I also know that
PB&F do take an adventure or two and are not chained to the fax
machine.
On the other hand I have ordered plans from CSB(CSD and other
nefarious incantations) and if not for the fact I live in the same
state I doubt if my plans would have been sent at all. Some others
who have posted on this forum have sent money and never received
plans.
The plans I did receive were poor photo copies of both Bolger and
Payson material. I have discussed this with PB&F and asked if I could
make reparations, the answer came back that if the plans were so poor
I couldn't build the boat(a very common problem from CSB) that I
could buy a new set from PB&F otherwise I had permission from PB&F to
build one boat from the plans. That was very generous of PB&F
considering they made no profit off their intellectual property.
To not buy from authorized dealers of PB&F like Mr Payson I
consider to be theft and fraud. I also explained that view to PB&F
after I found out that CSB was not authorized. Despite his many
designs Mr Bolger is not rich and like all of us he depends on the
labor he has done to support himself. If the people at CSD do not
honor PB&F's work by paying royalties they will not honor your money
or your time either. The buyer beware.
John
PB&F I have received a fax back the very same day. I also know that
PB&F do take an adventure or two and are not chained to the fax
machine.
On the other hand I have ordered plans from CSB(CSD and other
nefarious incantations) and if not for the fact I live in the same
state I doubt if my plans would have been sent at all. Some others
who have posted on this forum have sent money and never received
plans.
The plans I did receive were poor photo copies of both Bolger and
Payson material. I have discussed this with PB&F and asked if I could
make reparations, the answer came back that if the plans were so poor
I couldn't build the boat(a very common problem from CSB) that I
could buy a new set from PB&F otherwise I had permission from PB&F to
build one boat from the plans. That was very generous of PB&F
considering they made no profit off their intellectual property.
To not buy from authorized dealers of PB&F like Mr Payson I
consider to be theft and fraud. I also explained that view to PB&F
after I found out that CSB was not authorized. Despite his many
designs Mr Bolger is not rich and like all of us he depends on the
labor he has done to support himself. If the people at CSD do not
honor PB&F's work by paying royalties they will not honor your money
or your time either. The buyer beware.
John
--- In bolger@y..., "ravenouspi" <ravenous@g...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "pibracing" <mcerio02@t...> wrote:
> >If I have a question on building the boat I dont have 8 weeks to
> >wait for a response.>
>
> I hear CSD makes you wait longer than 8 weeks for plans you pay
for,
> take their website offline, and don't answer the phone for weeks
> when they get "backed up."
>
> But you could post your questions here, I expect.
>
> Rav
What could be easier then faxing him with an outline of what you are
looking for(or even requesting a specific plan/price info.)and then
mailing him a money order once you've decided on your boat? A nice
bonus is having this particular group of maniacs to offer up all
sorts of advice/help,some of it even based on real life experience :-
),as you proceed with your project.Included are sections to post
progress photos and present some of your craftmanship for us to
drool over.Most of us are deep down closet voyeurs who take great
pleasure in seeing how other mortals have rendered/interpreted our
Heros' inspired designs.Besides,you just never know who or how many
other innocents will be encouraged by your efforts and discover a
truly rewarding/fun activity to enrich their lives.Surely,at the very
least,this is a good thing!
On the other hand,you have to ask yourself this;if I haven't either
the patience or perserverance to do whatever it takes to get the
plans I want,then what are my chances of actually seeing a
boatbuilding project through to the end since this most certainly
will require very generous helpings of both patience and
perserverance?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,putting his own patience and perserverance to the test
as another winter halts a work in progress,from along the shores of
the St.Lawrence.........
looking for(or even requesting a specific plan/price info.)and then
mailing him a money order once you've decided on your boat? A nice
bonus is having this particular group of maniacs to offer up all
sorts of advice/help,some of it even based on real life experience :-
),as you proceed with your project.Included are sections to post
progress photos and present some of your craftmanship for us to
drool over.Most of us are deep down closet voyeurs who take great
pleasure in seeing how other mortals have rendered/interpreted our
Heros' inspired designs.Besides,you just never know who or how many
other innocents will be encouraged by your efforts and discover a
truly rewarding/fun activity to enrich their lives.Surely,at the very
least,this is a good thing!
On the other hand,you have to ask yourself this;if I haven't either
the patience or perserverance to do whatever it takes to get the
plans I want,then what are my chances of actually seeing a
boatbuilding project through to the end since this most certainly
will require very generous helpings of both patience and
perserverance?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,putting his own patience and perserverance to the test
as another winter halts a work in progress,from along the shores of
the St.Lawrence.........
--- In bolger@y..., "pibracing" <mcerio02@t...> wrote:
> I wish there was an easier way to get Bolger plans.
>
>
> Mike
I wish there was an easier way to get Bolger plans.
Mike
Mike
--- In bolger@y..., "ravenouspi" <ravenous@g...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "pibracing" <mcerio02@t...> wrote:
> >If I have a question on building the boat I dont have 8 weeks to
> >wait for a response.>
>
> I hear CSD makes you wait longer than 8 weeks for plans you pay for,
> take their website offline, and don't answer the phone for weeks
> when they get "backed up."
>
> But you could post your questions here, I expect.
>
> Rav
--- In bolger@y..., "pibracing" <mcerio02@t...> wrote:
take their website offline, and don't answer the phone for weeks
when they get "backed up."
But you could post your questions here, I expect.
Rav
>If I have a question on building the boat I dont have 8 weeks toI hear CSD makes you wait longer than 8 weeks for plans you pay for,
>wait for a response.>
take their website offline, and don't answer the phone for weeks
when they get "backed up."
But you could post your questions here, I expect.
Rav
I never had good luck with dealing with Mr Bolger himself.I sent him a
fax once to ask him a question and I got a response 8 weeks later.If I
have a question on building the boat I dont have 8 weeks to wait for a
response.Thank you very much for your response,Do you have any photos
of the one you built?
Thanks
Mik C
fax once to ask him a question and I got a response 8 weeks later.If I
have a question on building the boat I dont have 8 weeks to wait for a
response.Thank you very much for your response,Do you have any photos
of the one you built?
Thanks
Mik C
--- In bolger@y..., Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...> wrote:
> Yes, it is almost certainly the stretched light
> dory. If you are interested in building the boat, you
> may want to consider buying the plans direct from
> Bolger, although you'll pay a little more, for two
> reasons. First, because according to posts on this
> site Bolger does not consider CSD to have his
> permission to distribute the plans, and they are,
> after all, his intellectual creations. Second, if you
> need any advice to help you in building, you will get
> it from Mr. Bolger, not CSD. I have built this
> particular boat, which is a super rowboat, beautiful
> and easy to build. I still had a question or two,
> however.
> Bolger has designed a number of these light
> dorys; the original 16 footer designed to be built on
> a strongback, this 20 footer for "instant boat" style
> construction, and at least one other, a metric
> version detailed in the book Small Boats. That one
> has a pointed stern instead of a tombstone transom
> like the others, maybe easier to build and certianly
> no loss of function. He may well have designed other
> rowing dories that I don't know about. Good luck.
> Sam
> --- pibracing <mcerio02@t...> wrote:
> > Can somebody tell me if the 20 Ft Bolger Dory on
> > this page
> >
> >http://www.southshoreboatworks.com/portfolio/
> >
> > Is the same one that you can buy plans for from
> > Common sense boats?
> >
> >
>http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Multi_Purpose_Boats/dory.htm
> >
> > How many rowing Dory's are there designed by Bolger?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Mike C
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Yes, it is almost certainly the stretched light
dory. If you are interested in building the boat, you
may want to consider buying the plans direct from
Bolger, although you'll pay a little more, for two
reasons. First, because according to posts on this
site Bolger does not consider CSD to have his
permission to distribute the plans, and they are,
after all, his intellectual creations. Second, if you
need any advice to help you in building, you will get
it from Mr. Bolger, not CSD. I have built this
particular boat, which is a super rowboat, beautiful
and easy to build. I still had a question or two,
however.
Bolger has designed a number of these light
dorys; the original 16 footer designed to be built on
a strongback, this 20 footer for "instant boat" style
construction, and at least one other, a metric
version detailed in the book Small Boats. That one
has a pointed stern instead of a tombstone transom
like the others, maybe easier to build and certianly
no loss of function. He may well have designed other
rowing dories that I don't know about. Good luck.
Sam
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dory. If you are interested in building the boat, you
may want to consider buying the plans direct from
Bolger, although you'll pay a little more, for two
reasons. First, because according to posts on this
site Bolger does not consider CSD to have his
permission to distribute the plans, and they are,
after all, his intellectual creations. Second, if you
need any advice to help you in building, you will get
it from Mr. Bolger, not CSD. I have built this
particular boat, which is a super rowboat, beautiful
and easy to build. I still had a question or two,
however.
Bolger has designed a number of these light
dorys; the original 16 footer designed to be built on
a strongback, this 20 footer for "instant boat" style
construction, and at least one other, a metric
version detailed in the book Small Boats. That one
has a pointed stern instead of a tombstone transom
like the others, maybe easier to build and certianly
no loss of function. He may well have designed other
rowing dories that I don't know about. Good luck.
Sam
--- pibracing <mcerio02@...> wrote:
> Can somebody tell me if the 20 Ft Bolger Dory onhttp://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Multi_Purpose_Boats/dory.htm
> this page
>
>http://www.southshoreboatworks.com/portfolio/
>
> Is the same one that you can buy plans for from
> Common sense boats?
>
>
>__________________________________________________
> How many rowing Dory's are there designed by Bolger?
>
> Thanks
> Mike C
>
>
>
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Can somebody tell me if the 20 Ft Bolger Dory on this page
http://www.southshoreboatworks.com/portfolio/
Is the same one that you can buy plans for from Common sense boats?
http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Multi_Purpose_Boats/dory.htm
How many rowing Dory's are there designed by Bolger?
Thanks
Mike C
http://www.southshoreboatworks.com/portfolio/
Is the same one that you can buy plans for from Common sense boats?
http://www.common-sense-boats.com/boats/Multi_Purpose_Boats/dory.htm
How many rowing Dory's are there designed by Bolger?
Thanks
Mike C