Re: [bolger] Re: Bolgers Camper
Jim Michalak has discussed the stability of his unballasted, Birdwatcher
cabin boats in his recent newsletters. Pretty interesting stuff, the boats
didn't want to stay on their sides.
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/
cabin boats in his recent newsletters. Pretty interesting stuff, the boats
didn't want to stay on their sides.
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:10:40 -0000, brucehallman wrote:
> My question, may not be
> answered in the plans:
> How stable is the boat?
>
> I don't see any added
> ballast. Being a whimp;
> I am curious how tender
> the boat is, and how
> much time you would be
> spending in a beam ends
> knockdown. [fish watching
> through those birdwatcher
> windows]?
--
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The "sailing while viewing the fishes" thing might be possible with the
original Birdwatcher design, but Camper looks similar to my recently
launched Michalak Jewelbox Jr. (flare extending up to the cabintop). I
have, so far, had no problem with stability.
I'd have to sit on the windows to keep her over long enough to see any fish.
I'll report what effect the wind has on the big house once we get some
around here. We are still in our "autumn light" wind period.
Rick
brucehallman wrote:
original Birdwatcher design, but Camper looks similar to my recently
launched Michalak Jewelbox Jr. (flare extending up to the cabintop). I
have, so far, had no problem with stability.
I'd have to sit on the windows to keep her over long enough to see any fish.
I'll report what effect the wind has on the big house once we get some
around here. We are still in our "autumn light" wind period.
Rick
brucehallman wrote:
> --- "s_paskey" <s_paskey@y...> wrote:
> > I have a full set of plans for Camper
> > and would be happy to answer questions
>
> My question, may not be
> answered in the plans:
> How stable is the boat?
>
> I don't see any added
> ballast. Being a whimp;
> I am curious how tender
> the boat is, and how
> much time you would be
> spending in a beam ends
> knockdown. [fish watching
> through those birdwatcher
> windows]?
>
There's no telling until someone tries it. As of this date, Camper
hasn't been built. (There's one fellow out in CA who has completed
only the basic lower part of the hull -- the bottom, stem, transom,
and "lower" sides without the cabin -- after several years.)
The boat is essentially a narrow sharpie skiff with a light cabin.
On the one hand, with the crew sitting on the bottom leaning outward
against the sides and the extra weight of the bottom itself (1 inch
of ply plus a thick shoe), she'd likely be more stable and heel less
than other sharpie skiffs of similar size. The wild card is the
weight and windage of the cabin -- a stiff breeze blowing against the
side of the boat will push harder than it would against a boat with
low freeboard.
Sheer guesswork on my part, but I'd expect having the crew weight low
and leaning out would more than make up for the other factors (even
if it's only 1 person), and that she'd be harder to put on her side
than a conventional sharpie of similar size.
Steve
hasn't been built. (There's one fellow out in CA who has completed
only the basic lower part of the hull -- the bottom, stem, transom,
and "lower" sides without the cabin -- after several years.)
The boat is essentially a narrow sharpie skiff with a light cabin.
On the one hand, with the crew sitting on the bottom leaning outward
against the sides and the extra weight of the bottom itself (1 inch
of ply plus a thick shoe), she'd likely be more stable and heel less
than other sharpie skiffs of similar size. The wild card is the
weight and windage of the cabin -- a stiff breeze blowing against the
side of the boat will push harder than it would against a boat with
low freeboard.
Sheer guesswork on my part, but I'd expect having the crew weight low
and leaning out would more than make up for the other factors (even
if it's only 1 person), and that she'd be harder to put on her side
than a conventional sharpie of similar size.
Steve
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> --- "s_paskey" <s_paskey@y...> wrote:
> > I have a full set of plans for Camper
> > and would be happy to answer questions
>
> My question, may not be answered in the plans:
> How stable is the boat?
>
> I don't see any added ballast. Being a whimp;
> I am curious how tender the boat is, and how
> much time you would be spending in a beam ends
> knockdown. [fish watching through those birdwatcher
> windows]?
--- "s_paskey" <s_paskey@y...> wrote:
answered in the plans:
How stable is the boat?
I don't see any added
ballast. Being a whimp;
I am curious how tender
the boat is, and how
much time you would be
spending in a beam ends
knockdown. [fish watching
through those birdwatcher
windows]?
> I have a full set of plans for CamperMy question, may not be
> and would be happy to answer questions
answered in the plans:
How stable is the boat?
I don't see any added
ballast. Being a whimp;
I am curious how tender
the boat is, and how
much time you would be
spending in a beam ends
knockdown. [fish watching
through those birdwatcher
windows]?
I have a full set of plans for Camper and would be happy to answer
questions if anyone wants more details than are shown online.
She's quite interesting in several respects. For example, on
Birdwatcher the cabin sides are vertical. On Camper, they flare
outwards to match the flare of the sides. In other words, her "beam"
is greatest at the TOP of the cabin. (Whereas on birdwatcher, the
beam at at the top of the cabin is the same as the beam at the sheer.)
In addition to added bouyancy, this arrangement makes a very
nice seat back for sailing, allowing the crew to essentially "hike
out" simply by leaning back in the comfort of the cabin. Also, the
cabin undoubtedly will feel bigger than if the sides were vertical.
Steve Paskey
questions if anyone wants more details than are shown online.
She's quite interesting in several respects. For example, on
Birdwatcher the cabin sides are vertical. On Camper, they flare
outwards to match the flare of the sides. In other words, her "beam"
is greatest at the TOP of the cabin. (Whereas on birdwatcher, the
beam at at the top of the cabin is the same as the beam at the sheer.)
In addition to added bouyancy, this arrangement makes a very
nice seat back for sailing, allowing the crew to essentially "hike
out" simply by leaning back in the comfort of the cabin. Also, the
cabin undoubtedly will feel bigger than if the sides were vertical.
Steve Paskey
--- In bolger@y..., "Bill Paxton" <bill@p...> wrote:
> In addition to Peter's excellent site, you'll find your boat in the
> Files section of this site. They're in the file called Birdwatcher.
>
> Bill Paxton
In addition to Peter's excellent site, you'll find your boat in the
Files section of this site. They're in the file called Birdwatcher.
Bill Paxton
Files section of this site. They're in the file called Birdwatcher.
Bill Paxton
OK - thanks..
Andrew.
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--- pvanderwaart <pvanderw@...> wrote: > >
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> The same way you find the Bolger group, except
> substitue boatdesign:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boatdesign/messages
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Thanks,
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--- pvanderwaart <pvanderw@...> wrote: > >
I understand, that Phil Bolger have designed a
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--- pvanderwaart <pvanderw@...> wrote: > >
I understand, that Phil Bolger have designed a
> boat called Camper,http://www.yahoo.promo.com.au/hint/- Yahoo! Hint Dropper
> a 18-foot "birdwatcher"-style skiff, design number
> 640.
> As it happens, I just put three scans (two of plans
> and one of text)
> in a Bolger Camper folder in the photo section of my
> boatdesign Yahoo
> Group. I think you can see it there, if you want. If
> you have trouble
> finding or view them, message me, and I'll e-mail
> them to you.
>
> Peter
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> I understand, that Phil Bolger have designed a boat called Camper,a 18-foot "birdwatcher"-style skiff, design number 640.
As it happens, I just put three scans (two of plans and one of text)
in a Bolger Camper folder in the photo section of my boatdesign Yahoo
Group. I think you can see it there, if you want. If you have trouble
finding or view them, message me, and I'll e-mail them to you.
Peter
I understand, that Phil Bolger have designed a boat called Camper, a 18-foot "birdwatcher"-style skiff, design number 640. I have searched the internet for pictures and more information about this boat, but I havent been able to find anything. Could anyone in this forum supply me with a link or some information.
Thanks!
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