Re: [bolger] mystery boat
The "dories" (they're just big skiffs these days) that launch off the beach
at Pacific City, Oregon beach at high speed also. They come flying in and
slide up the beach, usually high enough that no further effort is required
before the trailer is driven up in front of the boat and it's winched
aboard.
http://home.att.net/~td2evers/
http://home.att.net/~td2evers/doryphotos7.htm
http://education.opb.org/learning/ofg/dory/theindex.html
at Pacific City, Oregon beach at high speed also. They come flying in and
slide up the beach, usually high enough that no further effort is required
before the trailer is driven up in front of the boat and it's winched
aboard.
http://home.att.net/~td2evers/
http://home.att.net/~td2evers/doryphotos7.htm
http://education.opb.org/learning/ofg/dory/theindex.html
On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 12:42:56 -0900, HJ wrote:
> I have seen the running up the beach technique before. I lived in the
> village of Elim (pop 300) in Western AK for three years. It is a coastal
> village on the North side of Norton Sound on Seward Peninsula, 80NM East
> of Nome. They keep the boats anchored off the village which has a sandy
> beach. When a storm was coming in the fall, each boat owner would fire
> up his boat and head full bore for the beach, cutting the motor just as
> it touched, it would kick up and the boat would slide 2-3 boat lengths
> up the steep beach. Every body working together would go from boat to
> boat and haul it the rest ofthe way up to high ground. They called it
> "flying the boat" up the beach.
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I cannot help thinking that the people with motor boats miss a great deal.
If they would only keep to rowboats or canoes, and use oar or paddle...
they would get infinitely more benefit than by having their work done for
them by gasoline. <Theodore Roosevelt>
I have seen the running up the beach technique before. I lived in the
village of Elim (pop 300) in Western AK for three years. It is a coastal
village on the North side of Norton Sound on Seward Peninsula, 80NM East
of Nome. They keep the boats anchored off the village which has a sandy
beach. When a storm was coming in the fall, each boat owner would fire
up his boat and head full bore for the beach, cutting the motor just as
it touched, it would kick up and the boat would slide 2-3 boat lengths
up the steep beach. Every body working together would go from boat to
boat and haul it the rest ofthe way up to high ground. They called it
"flying the boat" up the beach.
HJ
Paul Lefebvre wrote:
village of Elim (pop 300) in Western AK for three years. It is a coastal
village on the North side of Norton Sound on Seward Peninsula, 80NM East
of Nome. They keep the boats anchored off the village which has a sandy
beach. When a storm was coming in the fall, each boat owner would fire
up his boat and head full bore for the beach, cutting the motor just as
it touched, it would kick up and the boat would slide 2-3 boat lengths
up the steep beach. Every body working together would go from boat to
boat and haul it the rest ofthe way up to high ground. They called it
"flying the boat" up the beach.
HJ
Paul Lefebvre wrote:
>I saw one of these in action many years ago, I believe it was off
>Chincoteague island but am not positive now. There were two youngish and
>very fit guys running a long net off the beach in mild surf conditions, and
>the way they handled that strange boat was so remarkable it made me stop and
>watch long enough that my girlfriend eventually had to drag me away, even
>though I was not yet the boat nut I've since become. They'd start with the
>boat on the beach where they'd just driven it up on the sand; with the motor
>kicked up and using the boat's rocker, one guy would push at the bow and one
>at the stern to quickly pivot the boat 180 degrees, then anchor one end of
>the net on the beach, push the boat off the beach as soon as the next wave
>floated it, drop the motor and fire it up as soon as they had enough water
>and blast out through the 2-3' breaking waves to set their net in a big loop
>just outside the breaker zone and come back in 50-100 yards down the beach,
>full-speed, and drive it right up the beach at perhaps 20mph or better. I'd
>never seen an outboard take this kind of abuse except in a James Bond movie,
>apparently without suffering any damage - it would be at full power until it
>hit the beach, at which point the driver shut it down at exactly the right
>moment; the motor would neatly tip up and the boat would slide perhaps 20
>feet further up on the wet sand before coming to a stop, nearly beyond reach
>of the waves but not quite - just close enough that waiting thru a few waves
>would bring them one with enough water to easily relaunch. Then they hauled
>in their net from the beach, collected their catch, folded their net
>carefully back in over the stern, spun the boat on the sand and repeated the
>whole operation again, all very swiftly coordenated movements with barely a
>word spoken. Very impressive performance, those two guys never stopped
>moving, and I'd never seen such precise boat handling on both land and
>water.
>
>Paul L.
>
>Subject: Re: [bolger] mystery boat
>
I saw one of these in action many years ago, I believe it was off
Chincoteague island but am not positive now. There were two youngish and
very fit guys running a long net off the beach in mild surf conditions, and
the way they handled that strange boat was so remarkable it made me stop and
watch long enough that my girlfriend eventually had to drag me away, even
though I was not yet the boat nut I've since become. They'd start with the
boat on the beach where they'd just driven it up on the sand; with the motor
kicked up and using the boat's rocker, one guy would push at the bow and one
at the stern to quickly pivot the boat 180 degrees, then anchor one end of
the net on the beach, push the boat off the beach as soon as the next wave
floated it, drop the motor and fire it up as soon as they had enough water
and blast out through the 2-3' breaking waves to set their net in a big loop
just outside the breaker zone and come back in 50-100 yards down the beach,
full-speed, and drive it right up the beach at perhaps 20mph or better. I'd
never seen an outboard take this kind of abuse except in a James Bond movie,
apparently without suffering any damage - it would be at full power until it
hit the beach, at which point the driver shut it down at exactly the right
moment; the motor would neatly tip up and the boat would slide perhaps 20
feet further up on the wet sand before coming to a stop, nearly beyond reach
of the waves but not quite - just close enough that waiting thru a few waves
would bring them one with enough water to easily relaunch. Then they hauled
in their net from the beach, collected their catch, folded their net
carefully back in over the stern, spun the boat on the sand and repeated the
whole operation again, all very swiftly coordenated movements with barely a
word spoken. Very impressive performance, those two guys never stopped
moving, and I'd never seen such precise boat handling on both land and
water.
Paul L.
Subject: Re: [bolger] mystery boat
Chincoteague island but am not positive now. There were two youngish and
very fit guys running a long net off the beach in mild surf conditions, and
the way they handled that strange boat was so remarkable it made me stop and
watch long enough that my girlfriend eventually had to drag me away, even
though I was not yet the boat nut I've since become. They'd start with the
boat on the beach where they'd just driven it up on the sand; with the motor
kicked up and using the boat's rocker, one guy would push at the bow and one
at the stern to quickly pivot the boat 180 degrees, then anchor one end of
the net on the beach, push the boat off the beach as soon as the next wave
floated it, drop the motor and fire it up as soon as they had enough water
and blast out through the 2-3' breaking waves to set their net in a big loop
just outside the breaker zone and come back in 50-100 yards down the beach,
full-speed, and drive it right up the beach at perhaps 20mph or better. I'd
never seen an outboard take this kind of abuse except in a James Bond movie,
apparently without suffering any damage - it would be at full power until it
hit the beach, at which point the driver shut it down at exactly the right
moment; the motor would neatly tip up and the boat would slide perhaps 20
feet further up on the wet sand before coming to a stop, nearly beyond reach
of the waves but not quite - just close enough that waiting thru a few waves
would bring them one with enough water to easily relaunch. Then they hauled
in their net from the beach, collected their catch, folded their net
carefully back in over the stern, spun the boat on the sand and repeated the
whole operation again, all very swiftly coordenated movements with barely a
word spoken. Very impressive performance, those two guys never stopped
moving, and I'd never seen such precise boat handling on both land and
water.
Paul L.
Subject: Re: [bolger] mystery boat
I've seen boats like that in Florida. I think they are used for some
sort of commercial fishing. Keeps the rear deck clear for work.
It may have been what's called a "tunnel hull". Almost a catamaran
type of thing. Good for shallow water and stability, but you would
think the boat would handle funny with the moter up forward like that.
gbb
North GA/USA
sort of commercial fishing. Keeps the rear deck clear for work.
It may have been what's called a "tunnel hull". Almost a catamaran
type of thing. Good for shallow water and stability, but you would
think the boat would handle funny with the moter up forward like that.
gbb
North GA/USA
--- In bolger@y..., "wturn" <wturn@y...> wrote:
> I saw two boats with outboards mounted near the front of the boat in
> the center of the boat. Would imagine they were in a motor well of
> some sort. They were built of plywood and appeared to have a large
> live well in the rear of the boat. The bottom was completely flat
and
> the bow rose up sharply also with a flat bottom.
>
> Anyway, posting here to see if anybody knows of a similar design and
> why the outboards were mounted in front.
>
> Unfortunately it was nighttime and it was on the highway so did not
> get a realy good look. The location was Clearwater, FL.
>
> Following is a (very) rough sketch:
>
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wturn/vwp?.dir=/mystery+boat&.src=ph&.dnm=f
ront+outboard+boat.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%
3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wturn/lst%3f%26.dir=/mystery%2bboat%26.src=ph%
26.view=t
>
> If the link doesnn't work, this would should:
>http://photos.yahoo.com/wturnNavigate to the Mystery boat folder.
>
> Bill
--- wturn <wturn@...> wrote:
The boats that you saw are what's called a Net Boat.
The well in the back is to hold the gill net and when
a school of fish is spotted then the net is run off
the back of the boat surrounding and capturing the
fish.
The engine was mounted in front so it would not get
tangled with the net. Also because of the front
mounting of the eng. these boats will got through an
unbelievable amount of shallow water. The one that I
had was 21ft. long with a 50hp. eng. and would run in
6 to 8 inches of water.
Now adays it is illiegal to use gill nets inshore
here in Florida but the boats still make great shallow
water fishing boats.
Dean
Excommerial fisherman and miss it still!!!!!
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> I saw two boats with outboards mounted near theBill,
> front of the boat in
> the center of the boat. Would imagine they were in
> a motor well of
> some sort. They were built of plywood and appeared
> to have a large
> live well in the rear of the boat. The bottom was
> completely flat and
> the bow rose up sharply also with a flat bottom.
>
> Anyway, posting here to see if anybody knows of a
> similar design and
> why the outboards were mounted in front.
> Bill
The boats that you saw are what's called a Net Boat.
The well in the back is to hold the gill net and when
a school of fish is spotted then the net is run off
the back of the boat surrounding and capturing the
fish.
The engine was mounted in front so it would not get
tangled with the net. Also because of the front
mounting of the eng. these boats will got through an
unbelievable amount of shallow water. The one that I
had was 21ft. long with a 50hp. eng. and would run in
6 to 8 inches of water.
Now adays it is illiegal to use gill nets inshore
here in Florida but the boats still make great shallow
water fishing boats.
Dean
Excommerial fisherman and miss it still!!!!!
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Thanks for the info and the links. Interesting boat. The BaitSkiff
pics look almost identical to what I saw, I would say that they might
have been a bit longer.
Bill
pics look almost identical to what I saw, I would say that they might
have been a bit longer.
Bill
--- In bolger@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:
> That's not really so odd. Harry V. Sucher gives a few designs for
"tractor"
> outboard skiffs in Simplified Boatbuilding, and explains the advantages.
> See one of the skiffs and the explanation here:
>
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/BoatPlans/SucherTractor.gif
>
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/BoatPlans/SucherTractor.txt
>
> And here's a tractor bait skiff I saw at Winchester Bay a few months
ago:
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/images/BaitSkiff-1.jpg
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/images/BaitSkiff-2.jpg
>
> You can see that one of the advantages is that the outboard motor
doesn't
> get in the way while handling the net.
>
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 15:45:07 -0000, Bill wrote:
> > I saw two boats with outboards mounted near the front of the boat in
> > the center of the boat. Would imagine they were in a motor well of
> > some sort. They were built of plywood and appeared to have a large
> > live well in the rear of the boat. The bottom was completely flat and
> > the bow rose up sharply also with a flat bottom.
> > ...
>
> --
> John <jkohnen@b...>
>http://www.boat-links.com/
> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
> Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. <Groucho Marx>
The commercial net boats at the mouth of Mobile Bay are built this way with a raised seat and control station up front. This lets them see a school of fish better ( being up high at the front) ; the well mounted engine is to keep the prop , etc. out of the way of the nets being worked. In one of the local seafood places is a photo of one of these boats with 9000 lbs (by their count) of mullet in the boat. Piled up high enough to make me glad I wasn't returning with that load.
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That's not really so odd. Harry V. Sucher gives a few designs for "tractor"
outboard skiffs in Simplified Boatbuilding, and explains the advantages.
See one of the skiffs and the explanation here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/BoatPlans/SucherTractor.gif
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/BoatPlans/SucherTractor.txt
And here's a tractor bait skiff I saw at Winchester Bay a few months ago:
http://www.boat-links.com/images/BaitSkiff-1.jpg
http://www.boat-links.com/images/BaitSkiff-2.jpg
You can see that one of the advantages is that the outboard motor doesn't
get in the way while handling the net.
outboard skiffs in Simplified Boatbuilding, and explains the advantages.
See one of the skiffs and the explanation here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/BoatPlans/SucherTractor.gif
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/BoatPlans/SucherTractor.txt
And here's a tractor bait skiff I saw at Winchester Bay a few months ago:
http://www.boat-links.com/images/BaitSkiff-1.jpg
http://www.boat-links.com/images/BaitSkiff-2.jpg
You can see that one of the advantages is that the outboard motor doesn't
get in the way while handling the net.
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 15:45:07 -0000, Bill wrote:
> I saw two boats with outboards mounted near the front of the boat in
> the center of the boat. Would imagine they were in a motor well of
> some sort. They were built of plywood and appeared to have a large
> live well in the rear of the boat. The bottom was completely flat and
> the bow rose up sharply also with a flat bottom.
> ...
--
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Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. <Groucho Marx>
wturn, yes ive seen this too,so it was not your imagineation,i 1st saw this on a outdoor program on TV, it appeared the out board was located at half way point on the boats length,an there was a inclosed center console behind it,the boat appered to be 20 to 24 ft in length,, I all so checked this out with so friends from flordia, which is were the program on the TV was from,in the Flordia Keys.. He told me that this was a real deal,not my imagineation.. i to would like to know more on it also, hope this helpped you, have a good day,, Rodger
wturn <wturn@...> wrote:I saw two boats with outboards mounted near the front of the boat in
the center of the boat. Would imagine they were in a motor well of
some sort. They were built of plywood and appeared to have a large
live well in the rear of the boat. The bottom was completely flat and
the bow rose up sharply also with a flat bottom.
Anyway, posting here to see if anybody knows of a similar design and
why the outboards were mounted in front.
Unfortunately it was nighttime and it was on the highway so did not
get a realy good look. The location was Clearwater, FL.
Following is a (very) rough sketch:
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wturn/vwp?.dir=/mystery+boat&.src=ph&.dnm=front+outboard+boat.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wturn/lst%3f%26.dir=/mystery%2bboat%26.src=ph%26.view=t
If the link doesnn't work, this would should:
http://photos.yahoo.com/wturnNavigate to the Mystery boat folder.
Bill
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wturn <wturn@...> wrote:I saw two boats with outboards mounted near the front of the boat in
the center of the boat. Would imagine they were in a motor well of
some sort. They were built of plywood and appeared to have a large
live well in the rear of the boat. The bottom was completely flat and
the bow rose up sharply also with a flat bottom.
Anyway, posting here to see if anybody knows of a similar design and
why the outboards were mounted in front.
Unfortunately it was nighttime and it was on the highway so did not
get a realy good look. The location was Clearwater, FL.
Following is a (very) rough sketch:
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wturn/vwp?.dir=/mystery+boat&.src=ph&.dnm=front+outboard+boat.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wturn/lst%3f%26.dir=/mystery%2bboat%26.src=ph%26.view=t
If the link doesnn't work, this would should:
http://photos.yahoo.com/wturnNavigate to the Mystery boat folder.
Bill
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Tractor drive boats (which is what you saw) are often used for inshore
commercial fishing, oystering, or crabbing. The engine forward configuration
gets the outboard and propeller out of the working area aft.
JB
commercial fishing, oystering, or crabbing. The engine forward configuration
gets the outboard and propeller out of the working area aft.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "wturn" <wturn@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 10:45 AM
Subject: [bolger] mystery boat
| I saw two boats with outboards mounted near the front of the boat in
| the center of the boat. Would imagine they were in a motor well of
| some sort. They were built of plywood and appeared to have a large
| live well in the rear of the boat. The bottom was completely flat and
| the bow rose up sharply also with a flat bottom.
|
| Anyway, posting here to see if anybody knows of a similar design and
| why the outboards were mounted in front.
|
| Unfortunately it was nighttime and it was on the highway so did not
| get a realy good look. The location was Clearwater, FL.
|
| Following is a (very) rough sketch:
|
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wturn/vwp?.dir=/mystery+boat&.src=ph&.dnm=front+o
utboard+boat.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wturn/lst%3f%26.
dir=/mystery%2bboat%26.src=ph%26.view=t
|
| If the link doesnn't work, this would should:
|http://photos.yahoo.com/wturnNavigate to the Mystery boat folder.
|
| Bill
|
|
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|
I saw two boats with outboards mounted near the front of the boat in
the center of the boat. Would imagine they were in a motor well of
some sort. They were built of plywood and appeared to have a large
live well in the rear of the boat. The bottom was completely flat and
the bow rose up sharply also with a flat bottom.
Anyway, posting here to see if anybody knows of a similar design and
why the outboards were mounted in front.
Unfortunately it was nighttime and it was on the highway so did not
get a realy good look. The location was Clearwater, FL.
Following is a (very) rough sketch:
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wturn/vwp?.dir=/mystery+boat&.src=ph&.dnm=front+outboard+boat.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wturn/lst%3f%26.dir=/mystery%2bboat%26.src=ph%26.view=t
If the link doesnn't work, this would should:
http://photos.yahoo.com/wturnNavigate to the Mystery boat folder.
Bill
the center of the boat. Would imagine they were in a motor well of
some sort. They were built of plywood and appeared to have a large
live well in the rear of the boat. The bottom was completely flat and
the bow rose up sharply also with a flat bottom.
Anyway, posting here to see if anybody knows of a similar design and
why the outboards were mounted in front.
Unfortunately it was nighttime and it was on the highway so did not
get a realy good look. The location was Clearwater, FL.
Following is a (very) rough sketch:
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wturn/vwp?.dir=/mystery+boat&.src=ph&.dnm=front+outboard+boat.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wturn/lst%3f%26.dir=/mystery%2bboat%26.src=ph%26.view=t
If the link doesnn't work, this would should:
http://photos.yahoo.com/wturnNavigate to the Mystery boat folder.
Bill