Re: BBBB (was: From PCB...)
David,
Thanks for bringing me back. Last weekend, I spent hours and hours
drawing up some new boom jaws for Alisa. I downloaded a free CAD
package (Turbocad LE) and spent all kinds of time learning how to use
it just to make a simple 1 page drawing and then I printed it out and
put it on the kitchen table and kept on admiring it all weekend and
then afterward I felt guilty because I had spent so much time. But
it was a good thing to do! I don't feel guilty any more.
Frank
Wilmington, DE
Thanks for bringing me back. Last weekend, I spent hours and hours
drawing up some new boom jaws for Alisa. I downloaded a free CAD
package (Turbocad LE) and spent all kinds of time learning how to use
it just to make a simple 1 page drawing and then I printed it out and
put it on the kitchen table and kept on admiring it all weekend and
then afterward I felt guilty because I had spent so much time. But
it was a good thing to do! I don't feel guilty any more.
Frank
Wilmington, DE
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
....I'm quite sure that obsessing
> about the I60 distracted me from obsessing about darker issues that
> were far beyond my influence.
>
> That for me is the lesson of the Instant Boats and all their
> descendents. Life can slip away as we worry about the things we
can't
> control. There are always a thousand reasons why it can't be done;
or
> why if it's done THAT WAY, our efforts will be wasted, our dreams
> destroyed.
....
--- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
paragraph! Although some may well argue otherwise,I believe my own
sanity has been saved/maintained through strict adherence to the
above and the presence/support of my Pesky Crew!
Happy Dreams!
Peter Lenihan,up to his ears in schemes for deep winter building
despite the madness all around me at work...........
> Building Bolger's boats has taught me again and again that focusingAll of it well said David and very true,especially the above
> on the things within my means and within my control is far more
> productive, and the rewards are immeasurable.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
> --
paragraph! Although some may well argue otherwise,I believe my own
sanity has been saved/maintained through strict adherence to the
above and the presence/support of my Pesky Crew!
Happy Dreams!
Peter Lenihan,up to his ears in schemes for deep winter building
despite the madness all around me at work...........
>This is really exciting!(BBBB is for Bolger Boat Building Brotherhood.)
>
>I was just revisting the
>simple transition from David's
>'Teal' in post #29 of this group,
>to now an INSOLENT-60.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/29
That Bruce Hallman would go digging around for my first post is a
pretty good indication of the comradery that we have here on this
group. For every crumudgeon on the list who insists that our plywood
dream will be dashed on the rocks of undervalued man-hours, noisy
nights at anchor, poor windward performance, and low resale; there's
always someone ready to counter post (usually one of the Bruces)
that life is not measured in dollars and sense (sic) and that hours
spent working hard on something you love rarely yield to any sort of
spread-sheet analysis.
Given the content of message 29 (above), I'm going to share with the
group a note I sent to PCB&F last week.
********
David Ryan
190 South Fairview Ave
Montauk, NY 11954
Phil C. Bolger & Friends
P.O. Box 1209
Gloucester, MA 01930
Dear Phil and Suzanne,
Like countless others, when I first encountered your designs I was
swept up in what can only be described as a fever. Before the paint
was dry on my Teal I had already bought plans for the Light Scooner,
and Gloucester Gull, as well as adding "New Instant Boats" and "Boats
with an Open Mind" to my library.
Somewhere in there I made Bob Wise's acquaintance. As my dreams of a
"Big Bolger Box" began to take shape, Bob was a great reality check,
as well as a source of encouragement, (his fundamental view being
"Yes, it's really as easy as it looks. All you have to do it do it.)
He also had cautionary tales of "Bolger dreams" gone wrong where the
resulting boat was neither a Bolger, nor inexpensive, nor satisfying
to the builder.
Aside from our interest in boats, Bob and I also work in the same
business. But Bob works at a much higher level than I do, and that's
where this little story takes a funny twist.
Earlier this Fall I was asked to consider a project that might
involve production in Afghanistan. I knew Bob had been there last
year, so I fired off an e-mail to him asking him for any advice he
might have. The long and the short of it is that Bob will be working
with me on this next project. I wouldn't go as far as saying he's
come on board because we're both Bolger boat builders, but that
didn't hurt! It has most certainly given us a common point of
reference. Low budget filmmaking is a lot like low budget boat
building - the key to success is being able to differentiate between
the things you need to have and the things you would like to have. A
degree of open-mindedness about what constitutes "need" vs. "want" is
helpful, but as in boat-building, too much "open-mindedness" can
quickly lead down the path to disappointment if is is not tempered by
reality!
As I said, Bob isn't coming along on this adventure because I've
built a few of your designs. But I'm quite sure I never would have
found my way to Bob if my first experiece (the Teal) had not been so
encouraging! I'm sure his contribution to this next project is going
to be invaluable, and at least some of the credit for that flows back
to Gloucester.
Yours,
David
********
From the first day, PCB had completely captured my imagination (see
post #59http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/59) but I
never would have dreamed of the path I began heading down as I
started cobbling together that Teal. Along that path boat building
and the resulting vessels have been frequently provided refuge when
the weight and strain of work and life in general. Indeed, our
decision to take on the I60 was a much a way to try and give
ourselves something to be excited about in a world that seemed to
have spun completely out of control. I'm quite sure that obsessing
about the I60 distracted me from obsessing about darker issues that
were far beyond my influence.
That for me is the lesson of the Instant Boats and all their
descendents. Life can slip away as we worry about the things we can't
control. There are always a thousand reasons why it can't be done; or
why if it's done THAT WAY, our efforts will be wasted, our dreams
destroyed.
Building Bolger's boats has taught me again and again that focusing
on the things within my means and within my control is far more
productive, and the rewards are immeasurable.
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
--- In bolger@y..., Susan Davis <futabachan@y...> wrote:
I was just revisting the
simple transition from David's
'Teal' in post #29 of this group,
to now an INSOLENT-60.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/29
> Dear David and Susan,...
>
> Just to let you know that we have
> done some work on the INSOLENT-60
> design.
> Sincerely,This is really exciting!
>
> Phil
I was just revisting the
simple transition from David's
'Teal' in post #29 of this group,
to now an INSOLENT-60.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/29
Phil Bolger & Friends,
Inc.
Boat Designers, P.O. Box
1209
66 Atlantic St. FAX
978-282-1349
Gloucester, MA 01930-1627,
U.S.A.
Susan Davis and David Ryan 11/26/02
Dear David and Susan,
Just to let you know that we have done some work on the INSOLENT-60
design.
Though we're embarrassed by the long delivery of this (and other) plans,
it
does benefit by repeated reexaminations allowed (forced) by the delays.
Extended fermentation is indeed enhancing her. We have:
1. Made the house conform better to the main sheer, with a great
improvement
in its looks, now reasonably classical -- long low `knock-about' plus
an
airy matching house.
2. Rearranged the design of the hinges of the end sections to be much
less
of a visual excrescence.
3. Shortened the main hull slightly, lengthening the bow end to the same
overall length, to allow the towing vehicle to make much sharper
turns
to at least an 80 degree angle of trailer-tongue to tractor-vehicle
without crunching the boat.
4. Reverted to a sharp stern, because of easier folding geometries after
all, also further de-emphasizing her plywood-based hard-corner shape,
improve performance with a stern overload, to keep the stern from
being
overloaded with friends, and to keep this end as structurally light
as
possible for folding.
5. Reduced the maximum (upright!) draft with maximum keel extension to
5'6"
-- more useable in coastal environs and with less shift of center of
lateral plane between full down and partial up. We have adequate
lateral
plane area while reducing the overall stresses of ballast wings vs.
keel
vs. trunk vs. hull.
The test keel's geometry has been tested in FL on the cradle and we
expect any day to hear how the sailing tests went. There were some
fabrication and assembly problems, correction of which will save
concerns
about the heavier INSOLENT keel.
6. Worked out an option (in addition to the more casual single-hander
balanced
club jib) for a "speed" double jib rig on the foremast, with a
loose-footed
jib set to the stemhead and an overlapped and an overlapping
forestaysail
tacked down on the weather side to form an efficient leading edge
slat for
the foresail. Sheeting these sails will require a couple of winches,
and
their use implies at least one hand in or near her bow section.
Still this
option is compatible with the original balanced-club jib for use when
short-handed or not that ambitious. The object was to get as much,
and as
powerful, a sail plan as possible within the tight dictates of
folding
everything for trailering. In that connection, we're also proposing
to
give the fore and mainsails a large roach with full battens, or
possibly
just very long battens, to bring the total (light air!) sail area
that can
be set to perhaps near 1200 square feet.
7. Added shrouds to both masts, mainly to stiffen them against the pull
of the
staysails. These shrouds likely will have to have considerable drift
aft
and will limit the squaring-out of the booms, but since with her
characteristics she will almost if not quite always gain by tacking
downwind this ought not to be a problem.
8. We have also made some alterations in the cabin arrangement with
which the
added breadth improve the accomodations a lot. Master'double seems
to be
around 40" wide/tight. Long skinny galley. Private head. Saloon
for 6+
plus two reasonably sized single bunks in `tunnels' flanking the
foremast.
Mostly just 5' of headroom throughout with a few more some places.
True
spine-stretching only either horizontally, under open hatches along
centerline, or `outside'. All this is a direct consequence of her
being
an advanced `sporting device' able to do 70 MPH in traffic....
9. Plus this and that identifying details to be dealth with.
We are gleeful about this insolent project! Sincerely,
Phil
--
Susan Davis <sue@...>
Inc.
Boat Designers, P.O. Box
1209
66 Atlantic St. FAX
978-282-1349
Gloucester, MA 01930-1627,
U.S.A.
Susan Davis and David Ryan 11/26/02
Dear David and Susan,
Just to let you know that we have done some work on the INSOLENT-60
design.
Though we're embarrassed by the long delivery of this (and other) plans,
it
does benefit by repeated reexaminations allowed (forced) by the delays.
Extended fermentation is indeed enhancing her. We have:
1. Made the house conform better to the main sheer, with a great
improvement
in its looks, now reasonably classical -- long low `knock-about' plus
an
airy matching house.
2. Rearranged the design of the hinges of the end sections to be much
less
of a visual excrescence.
3. Shortened the main hull slightly, lengthening the bow end to the same
overall length, to allow the towing vehicle to make much sharper
turns
to at least an 80 degree angle of trailer-tongue to tractor-vehicle
without crunching the boat.
4. Reverted to a sharp stern, because of easier folding geometries after
all, also further de-emphasizing her plywood-based hard-corner shape,
improve performance with a stern overload, to keep the stern from
being
overloaded with friends, and to keep this end as structurally light
as
possible for folding.
5. Reduced the maximum (upright!) draft with maximum keel extension to
5'6"
-- more useable in coastal environs and with less shift of center of
lateral plane between full down and partial up. We have adequate
lateral
plane area while reducing the overall stresses of ballast wings vs.
keel
vs. trunk vs. hull.
The test keel's geometry has been tested in FL on the cradle and we
expect any day to hear how the sailing tests went. There were some
fabrication and assembly problems, correction of which will save
concerns
about the heavier INSOLENT keel.
6. Worked out an option (in addition to the more casual single-hander
balanced
club jib) for a "speed" double jib rig on the foremast, with a
loose-footed
jib set to the stemhead and an overlapped and an overlapping
forestaysail
tacked down on the weather side to form an efficient leading edge
slat for
the foresail. Sheeting these sails will require a couple of winches,
and
their use implies at least one hand in or near her bow section.
Still this
option is compatible with the original balanced-club jib for use when
short-handed or not that ambitious. The object was to get as much,
and as
powerful, a sail plan as possible within the tight dictates of
folding
everything for trailering. In that connection, we're also proposing
to
give the fore and mainsails a large roach with full battens, or
possibly
just very long battens, to bring the total (light air!) sail area
that can
be set to perhaps near 1200 square feet.
7. Added shrouds to both masts, mainly to stiffen them against the pull
of the
staysails. These shrouds likely will have to have considerable drift
aft
and will limit the squaring-out of the booms, but since with her
characteristics she will almost if not quite always gain by tacking
downwind this ought not to be a problem.
8. We have also made some alterations in the cabin arrangement with
which the
added breadth improve the accomodations a lot. Master'double seems
to be
around 40" wide/tight. Long skinny galley. Private head. Saloon
for 6+
plus two reasonably sized single bunks in `tunnels' flanking the
foremast.
Mostly just 5' of headroom throughout with a few more some places.
True
spine-stretching only either horizontally, under open hatches along
centerline, or `outside'. All this is a direct consequence of her
being
an advanced `sporting device' able to do 70 MPH in traffic....
9. Plus this and that identifying details to be dealth with.
We are gleeful about this insolent project! Sincerely,
Phil
--
Susan Davis <sue@...>