Re: [bolger] Re: Sitka Explorer (Jochems Family Schooner)
Thanks, John and to Nels for pointing it out to me. I'm interested in
hull for future Delaware/ Halifax. Clyde
Nels wrote:
hull for future Delaware/ Halifax. Clyde
Nels wrote:
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>>If some one were similarly inclined, the last time I looked, the Wm
>>Jochems folder was empty. Clyde
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>The cartoons are here:
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>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/
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>But no write-up.
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>Nels
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
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But no write-up.
Nels
>The cartoons are here:
> If some one were similarly inclined, the last time I looked, the Wm
> Jochems folder was empty. Clyde
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/
But no write-up.
Nels
If some one were similarly inclined, the last time I looked, the Wm
Jochems folder was empty. Clyde
Nels wrote:
Jochems folder was empty. Clyde
Nels wrote:
>While delving through some old records in search of Tahiti write-up I
>came across the Sitka Explorer info, and created a folder by that name
>in the cartoon location.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/
>
>Some commentary I found interesting about how that hull shape evolved
>and the "phil" osophy behind it.
>
>The are looking for interested parties to finance the completion of
>the plans.
>
>Nels
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While delving through some old records in search of Tahiti write-up I
came across the Sitka Explorer info, and created a folder by that name
in the cartoon location.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/
Some commentary I found interesting about how that hull shape evolved
and the "phil" osophy behind it.
The are looking for interested parties to finance the completion of
the plans.
Nels
came across the Sitka Explorer info, and created a folder by that name
in the cartoon location.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/
Some commentary I found interesting about how that hull shape evolved
and the "phil" osophy behind it.
The are looking for interested parties to finance the completion of
the plans.
Nels
> > --- "John Bell" wrote:The original in MAIB is so small that most of
> > > Could you add a larger scan
> > > of the lines only? I'd like to be
> > > able to read
> > > the notes if it's possible.
the writing is illegible. Here is a bigger
scan, FWIW.
http://hallman.org/bolger/Sitka/sitka.gif
I know what you are talking about, but that's not it. Even fully blown up,
PCB's hand lettered notations on the accomodation plans are not readable. I
was wondering if you were to scan just the area that contains the drawings
at the same resolution you scanned the entire page whether those would be
legible.
JB
PCB's hand lettered notations on the accomodation plans are not readable. I
was wondering if you were to scan just the area that contains the drawings
at the same resolution you scanned the entire page whether those would be
legible.
JB
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From: <bruce@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 2:43 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sitka Explorer
> --- "John Bell" wrote:
> > Could you add a larger scan
> > of the lines only? I'd like to be
> > able to read
> > the notes if it's possible.
>
> Those images are already pretty
> large. You probably are
> experiencing a feature (bug) of
> Microsoft Internet Explorer
> where they automatically shrink
> images to fit the window.
>
> Try hovering your mouse pointer
> above the lower right corner of
> the image for few seconds and
> click the button. Or, right click
> and 'save as' the image to file
> and view it in an image editing program.
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Hi,
You can view these by saving a copy to your hard drive and using MS Windows picture and fax viewer. To copy to your hard drive point to the picture and right click, click save picture as and save to a directory you can find. Open windows explorer and double click on your saved copy and MS Windows viewer will open with the file in view, you can the use the + or - tool from the menu at the bottom to enlarge or contract the picture. Hope this is of some use.
Rob B
You can view these by saving a copy to your hard drive and using MS Windows picture and fax viewer. To copy to your hard drive point to the picture and right click, click save picture as and save to a directory you can find. Open windows explorer and double click on your saved copy and MS Windows viewer will open with the file in view, you can the use the + or - tool from the menu at the bottom to enlarge or contract the picture. Hope this is of some use.
Rob B
----- Original Message -----
From: John Bell
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Sitka Explorer
Could you add a larger scan of the lines only? I'd like to be able to read
the notes if it's possible.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sitka Explorer
> For those who are not familiar
> with Sitka Explorer:
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/Sitka/
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>
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--- "John Bell" wrote:
large. You probably are
experiencing a feature (bug) of
Microsoft Internet Explorer
where they automatically shrink
images to fit the window.
Try hovering your mouse pointer
above the lower right corner of
the image for few seconds and
click the button. Or, right click
and 'save as' the image to file
and view it in an image editing program.
> Could you add a larger scanThose images are already pretty
> of the lines only? I'd like to be
> able to read
> the notes if it's possible.
large. You probably are
experiencing a feature (bug) of
Microsoft Internet Explorer
where they automatically shrink
images to fit the window.
Try hovering your mouse pointer
above the lower right corner of
the image for few seconds and
click the button. Or, right click
and 'save as' the image to file
and view it in an image editing program.
Could you add a larger scan of the lines only? I'd like to be able to read
the notes if it's possible.
the notes if it's possible.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sitka Explorer
> For those who are not familiar
> with Sitka Explorer:
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/Sitka/
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...>
wrote:
listening to one of those how-to audio tapes - get your pencil and note pad out
cuz you are in for a treat!!
Ken
wrote:
> Ken, are you the person who commissioned theHave talked w/PB&F about her. My, talking with them on the phone is like
> completion of these plans? This is, I believe, the
> prettiest of the Topaz series--can't wait to see the
> plans.
> --- Ken Kongslie <jaguar215@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Group
> > Am anxiously awaiting completion of plans
> > and I'm looking for your MOST ACCURATE GUESS of what
> > its going to cost
> > me to build her (serious guesses welcomed too!)
> > ken
> >
> >
> >
> No, I am not but I sure am taken by here.
listening to one of those how-to audio tapes - get your pencil and note pad out
cuz you are in for a treat!!
Ken
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prettiest of the Topaz series--can't wait to see the
plans.
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completion of these plans? This is, I believe, the
prettiest of the Topaz series--can't wait to see the
plans.
--- Ken Kongslie <jaguar215@...> wrote:
> Hi Group__________________________________
> Am anxiously awaiting completion of plans
> and I'm looking for your MOST ACCURATE GUESS of what
> its going to cost
> me to build her (serious guesses welcomed too!)
> ken
>
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Yes it is exciting but is the "Sitka Explorer" a planing or displacement hull in the final incarnation of the design ?
Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:--- Ken Kongslie wrote:
Epoxy 1500
Lexan 1000
Motor 5000
Outdrive 4000
Hardware 4000
Total....18500 USD
This is exciting, Sitka Explorer is
such a great Bolger design.
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> Sitka Explorer...GUESS...Plywood 3000
Epoxy 1500
Lexan 1000
Motor 5000
Outdrive 4000
Hardware 4000
Total....18500 USD
This is exciting, Sitka Explorer is
such a great Bolger design.
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I was wanting to see what a sitka explorer was so i did a search for
it .....no luck. Anyone have any pictures?
I found a post from 2002 where it was said to be a cross between
topaz and tahiti......in that same post bruce had spoken with PCB&F
and bolger said the navigator mast was 4" OD......no wonder i need a
tabernacle. My mast is 4" pipe as wrtten on the plans...but it is
actually 4.5" OD.......Bolger could have been made that clearer in
the plans/sheet with those two letters....OD. Oh, well at least it
ain't going to bend/break.
Jason
it .....no luck. Anyone have any pictures?
I found a post from 2002 where it was said to be a cross between
topaz and tahiti......in that same post bruce had spoken with PCB&F
and bolger said the navigator mast was 4" OD......no wonder i need a
tabernacle. My mast is 4" pipe as wrtten on the plans...but it is
actually 4.5" OD.......Bolger could have been made that clearer in
the plans/sheet with those two letters....OD. Oh, well at least it
ain't going to bend/break.
Jason
--- Ken Kongslie wrote:
Epoxy 1500
Lexan 1000
Motor 5000
Outdrive 4000
Hardware 4000
Total....18500 USD
This is exciting, Sitka Explorer is
such a great Bolger design.
> Sitka Explorer...GUESS...Plywood 3000
Epoxy 1500
Lexan 1000
Motor 5000
Outdrive 4000
Hardware 4000
Total....18500 USD
This is exciting, Sitka Explorer is
such a great Bolger design.
Hi Group
Am anxiously awaiting completion of plans
and I'm looking for your MOST ACCURATE GUESS of what its going to cost
me to build her (serious guesses welcomed too!)
ken
Am anxiously awaiting completion of plans
and I'm looking for your MOST ACCURATE GUESS of what its going to cost
me to build her (serious guesses welcomed too!)
ken
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
>LOL!!!! I love it!! :-D
> Perhaps they can do it some year when summer falls on a weekend.
>
> Peter
> Unfortunately,itsPerhaps they can do it some year when summer falls on a weekend.
> resting place is almost smack in the middle of the Seaway channel
> thus making any serious attempts at marine archeaology very very
> expensive if not outright impossible since commercial traffic
> cannot practicaly be re-routed along that stretch of river.
Peter
--- In bolger@y..., "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
.
My real problem is that I
> don't have space beside my keyboard for The Oxford
> Dictionary;Complete Works of Shakespeare;The Holy Bible;Karma
Sutra,
> and now some french git!
Don,do what I do and get yourself the abridged versions,sorta
like"instant boats".That way you can really stock up on good
reading ;-) Unfortunately my employer won't let me bring my stuff to
work thus forcing me to memorize everything before going to
bed........
>
> EH?
>
> DonB :)
My sentiments precisely,after re-reading it all :-)............
--- In bolger@y..., "John Cupp" <caj@k...> wrote:
Funny you should mention Molson.I drive past their brewery each
morning on my way to the madhouse.It was also my first choice of
beers in college due mostly to that wonderful little image of a
square-rigger under full sail on the label.What that image lacks in
details is made up for in its style.Thanks,in part,to some really eye
opening college nights,I discovered that if you turn the bottle on
its side,that square-rigger transforms itself into an armadillo(!!)
which is rather appropiate considering that sailors in those days had
to be thick skinned to survive the cruel hardships of their
work.Similarily today,a thick skin can sometimes be useful when
dealing with some of lifes little pains.
On a historical note,one of John Molsons ships lies sunk in the
river bed just a wee way past the Port of Montreal.Unfortunately,its
resting place is almost smack in the middle of the Seaway channel
thus making any serious attempts at marine archeaology very very
expensive if not outright impossible since commercial traffic cannot
practicaly be re-routed along that stretch of river.The old Molson
Bank building is still standing,however, in the old part of Montreal
and serves as an example of the type of industry which helped drive
this country out of the backwoods and on into the"modern" world.
Today my tastes lean more toward mature grape juices from the old
world and,when in need of cold carbonation,I patronize some of the
local micro-breweries whose products explore in greater detail the
nuances of the ever friendly hop.
As you can see,madness is but a thin veneer away :-) and for real
warmth on a chilly night,you just gotta get yourself a Pesky Crew to
see you through!
Sincerely,
the always crazy,Peter Lenihan
> Peter, even a mere mortal like myself can understand the goldenJohn,
> effects of Molson on those chilly nights. >
>
Funny you should mention Molson.I drive past their brewery each
morning on my way to the madhouse.It was also my first choice of
beers in college due mostly to that wonderful little image of a
square-rigger under full sail on the label.What that image lacks in
details is made up for in its style.Thanks,in part,to some really eye
opening college nights,I discovered that if you turn the bottle on
its side,that square-rigger transforms itself into an armadillo(!!)
which is rather appropiate considering that sailors in those days had
to be thick skinned to survive the cruel hardships of their
work.Similarily today,a thick skin can sometimes be useful when
dealing with some of lifes little pains.
On a historical note,one of John Molsons ships lies sunk in the
river bed just a wee way past the Port of Montreal.Unfortunately,its
resting place is almost smack in the middle of the Seaway channel
thus making any serious attempts at marine archeaology very very
expensive if not outright impossible since commercial traffic cannot
practicaly be re-routed along that stretch of river.The old Molson
Bank building is still standing,however, in the old part of Montreal
and serves as an example of the type of industry which helped drive
this country out of the backwoods and on into the"modern" world.
Today my tastes lean more toward mature grape juices from the old
world and,when in need of cold carbonation,I patronize some of the
local micro-breweries whose products explore in greater detail the
nuances of the ever friendly hop.
As you can see,madness is but a thin veneer away :-) and for real
warmth on a chilly night,you just gotta get yourself a Pesky Crew to
see you through!
Sincerely,
the always crazy,Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., "John Cupp" <caj@k...> wrote:
the little wavelets tickle and slap, urch and glurk, ply box
resonates....
DonB
> Peter, even a mere mortal like myself can understand the goldenforeign
> effects of Molson on those chilly nights. But I also dream of
> shores and nymphs sitting in the comfort of a purely Bolgercreation.
> Oh the madness of Bolger day dreamers and the creations theyUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!.....then the tide turns, the rills rill,
> construct.
the little wavelets tickle and slap, urch and glurk, ply box
resonates....
DonB
> Sorry if I occassioned any respite from the banality of moderna
> living Don,but you must trust me when I say it is only done in the
> spirit of fun.....good,wholesome,fiber-in-your-diet sort of fun.No
> malice!EVER!! I've often heard of the antipodes as being the place
> where the men are men and the sheep run scared but surely there is
> book lurking behind your encounter with the"moustached ladySurely, your comments are always in drawing room taste...no offence.
> libraian"? :-)
And wholesome in a robust kind of way too. My real problem is that I
don't have space beside my keyboard for The Oxford
Dictionary;Complete Works of Shakespeare;The Holy Bible;Karma Sutra,
and now some french git!
As far as the sheep go......well, they are not THAT attractive, I
did marry an Australian in preference.
I can't repeat the library book title here.
Now that you mention it, Watercraft text is rather straight. Nice
covers though.
> I too have noticed that WATER CRAFT appears to have taken aglorious
> shining to our HERO.It is unfortunate,however,that despite
> pictures(for the illiterate?) their text is just this side ofnary
> anemic.This feeling is only compounded whenever I see a few
> interesting pictures bunched together on one of their pages with
> a caption to inform the reader or at least direct his attention toever
> something relevent to the body of the article.It saddens me even
> further to find such sterile writing considering that they(the
> British) pretty much"invented" the darned language!
> And finally,I must thank you for your efforts to keep me"on
> topic" under the threat of becoming "banned".I shall,in the
> future,conspire to do just that and beg your forgiveness shall I
> stray again and stray I will, for I am weak and but a lowly loverof
> Bolgers eclectic collection of inspired designs engineered to fuelthat
> incredible flights of fancy from mere innocent mortals.And as if
> weren't enough,ain't there a bit of romance surrounding all thiswinter
> business of building ones own vessel and sailing off to tree clad
> shores to be waited on by nymphs shod in Gods purest garments?
> Maybe I'm just a wee bit crazy and under the magic spell of
> madness!EH?
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,..............
DonB :)
Ah yes "The madness, the madness", you know you are to far up the river
in your Bolger Boat then.
HJ
John Cupp wrote:
in your Bolger Boat then.
HJ
John Cupp wrote:
>Peter, even a mere mortal like myself can understand the golden
>effects of Molson on those chilly nights. But I also dream of foreign
>shores and nymphs sitting in the comfort of a purely Bolger creation.
>Oh the madness of Bolger day dreamers and the creations they
>construct.
>
>
Does anyone know if the Sitka Explorer article which
appeared in MIAB last summer is posted somewhere? Or
would anyone be able to fax or mail me a copy of the
article? My copy has gone missing. Of course, I'll
gladly pay copying/postage costs. Thanks, Sam
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appeared in MIAB last summer is posted somewhere? Or
would anyone be able to fax or mail me a copy of the
article? My copy has gone missing. Of course, I'll
gladly pay copying/postage costs. Thanks, Sam
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Peter, even a mere mortal like myself can understand the golden
effects of Molson on those chilly nights. But I also dream of foreign
shores and nymphs sitting in the comfort of a purely Bolger creation.
Oh the madness of Bolger day dreamers and the creations they
construct.
effects of Molson on those chilly nights. But I also dream of foreign
shores and nymphs sitting in the comfort of a purely Bolger creation.
Oh the madness of Bolger day dreamers and the creations they
construct.
> Don,a
> Sorry if I occassioned any respite from the banality of modern
> living Don,but you must trust me when I say it is only done in the
> spirit of fun.....good,wholesome,fiber-in-your-diet sort of fun.No
> malice!EVER!! I've often heard of the antipodes as being the place
> where the men are men and the sheep run scared but surely there is
> book lurking behind your encounter with the"moustached ladynary
> libraian"? :-)
> I too have noticed that WATER CRAFT appears to have taken a
> shining to our HERO.It is unfortunate,however,that despite glorious
> pictures(for the illiterate?) their text is just this side of
> anemic.This feeling is only compounded whenever I see a few
> interesting pictures bunched together on one of their pages with
> a caption to inform the reader or at least direct his attention toever
> something relevent to the body of the article.It saddens me even
> further to find such sterile writing considering that they(the
> British) pretty much"invented" the darned language!
> And finally,I must thank you for your efforts to keep me"on
> topic" under the threat of becoming "banned".I shall,in the
> future,conspire to do just that and beg your forgiveness shall I
> stray again and stray I will, for I am weak and but a lowly loverof
> Bolgers eclectic collection of inspired designs engineered to fuelthat
> incredible flights of fancy from mere innocent mortals.And as if
> weren't enough,ain't there a bit of romance surrounding all thiswinter
> business of building ones own vessel and sailing off to tree clad
> shores to be waited on by nymphs shod in Gods purest garments?
> Maybe I'm just a wee bit crazy and under the magic spell of
> madness!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,..............
--- In bolger@y..., "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
and I am soaking in the large detailed
photo of the Champlain. I want one!
> Watercraft...I also get this picturesque magazine.My first issue arrived yesterday, Nov-Dec,
> Well worth looking out for, Bolger fans.
and I am soaking in the large detailed
photo of the Champlain. I want one!
--- In bolger@y..., "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
Sorry if I occassioned any respite from the banality of modern
living Don,but you must trust me when I say it is only done in the
spirit of fun.....good,wholesome,fiber-in-your-diet sort of fun.No
malice!EVER!! I've often heard of the antipodes as being the place
where the men are men and the sheep run scared but surely there is a
book lurking behind your encounter with the"moustached lady
libraian"? :-)
I too have noticed that WATER CRAFT appears to have taken a
shining to our HERO.It is unfortunate,however,that despite glorious
pictures(for the illiterate?) their text is just this side of
anemic.This feeling is only compounded whenever I see a few
interesting pictures bunched together on one of their pages with nary
a caption to inform the reader or at least direct his attention to
something relevent to the body of the article.It saddens me even
further to find such sterile writing considering that they(the
British) pretty much"invented" the darned language!
And finally,I must thank you for your efforts to keep me"on
topic" under the threat of becoming "banned".I shall,in the
future,conspire to do just that and beg your forgiveness shall I ever
stray again and stray I will, for I am weak and but a lowly lover of
Bolgers eclectic collection of inspired designs engineered to fuel
incredible flights of fancy from mere innocent mortals.And as if that
weren't enough,ain't there a bit of romance surrounding all this
business of building ones own vessel and sailing off to tree clad
shores to be waited on by nymphs shod in Gods purest garments?
Maybe I'm just a wee bit crazy and under the magic spell of winter
madness!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,..............
> Thanks for that Peter.time,
> But you won't tempt me below the library stairs after the last
> when your delicate suggestion was repeated at parade ground volumeDon,
> by the moustached lady librarian.
Sorry if I occassioned any respite from the banality of modern
living Don,but you must trust me when I say it is only done in the
spirit of fun.....good,wholesome,fiber-in-your-diet sort of fun.No
malice!EVER!! I've often heard of the antipodes as being the place
where the men are men and the sheep run scared but surely there is a
book lurking behind your encounter with the"moustached lady
libraian"? :-)
I too have noticed that WATER CRAFT appears to have taken a
shining to our HERO.It is unfortunate,however,that despite glorious
pictures(for the illiterate?) their text is just this side of
anemic.This feeling is only compounded whenever I see a few
interesting pictures bunched together on one of their pages with nary
a caption to inform the reader or at least direct his attention to
something relevent to the body of the article.It saddens me even
further to find such sterile writing considering that they(the
British) pretty much"invented" the darned language!
And finally,I must thank you for your efforts to keep me"on
topic" under the threat of becoming "banned".I shall,in the
future,conspire to do just that and beg your forgiveness shall I ever
stray again and stray I will, for I am weak and but a lowly lover of
Bolgers eclectic collection of inspired designs engineered to fuel
incredible flights of fancy from mere innocent mortals.And as if that
weren't enough,ain't there a bit of romance surrounding all this
business of building ones own vessel and sailing off to tree clad
shores to be waited on by nymphs shod in Gods purest garments?
Maybe I'm just a wee bit crazy and under the magic spell of winter
madness!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,..............
> DonB, trying to get Peter back on topic to avoid a ban.I nominate Peter L. for the tenured status of Bolger Poet Laureate.
>
>
The topic can weave around a bit for art.
Justin Meddock
Thanks for that Peter.
But you won't tempt me below the library stairs after the last time,
when your delicate suggestion was repeated at parade ground volume
by the moustached lady librarian. My face has been red ever since.
Watercraft...I also get this picturesque magazine. They seem to have
taken Bolger under their wing, or vice versa. There seems to be a
boat every month. Well worth looking out for, Bolger fans.
DonB, trying to get Peter back on topic to avoid a ban.
But you won't tempt me below the library stairs after the last time,
when your delicate suggestion was repeated at parade ground volume
by the moustached lady librarian. My face has been red ever since.
Watercraft...I also get this picturesque magazine. They seem to have
taken Bolger under their wing, or vice versa. There seems to be a
boat every month. Well worth looking out for, Bolger fans.
DonB, trying to get Peter back on topic to avoid a ban.
> Don,smoked
> For some potentially suggestive high times,I would go with
> Lexan for all windows,put mirror backing on the overhead hatches(or
> even the entire overhead!) and,in the absence of suitably strongthe
> deck/cabin beams,locate strong points either at the shear clamp or
> the inboard edges of the two bunks/benches.Granted this will have
> regretable effect of limiting the degree of "swing-to-the-fling"fun
> ratio but does open up a whole new horizon of truely underbeen
> appreciated"bounce-to-the-ounce" ratios which have only rarely
> cited in contempory nautical literature.My own sadly out of printMarine"
> copy of Gustav La Framboises' antholgy "Les Petite Plaisir du
> devotes an entire chapter to this very subject!Mind you,this is
> really for the adept connaisseur(euse) but there is an excellent
> bibliography and Gustav did make something of of fetish with his
> footnotes!
> Perhaps inter-library loans could locate a copy for you.......?!
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,seeking practical means to ward off the ever present
> chill in the air(- 18),along the St.Lawrence...........
--- In bolger@y..., "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
For some potentially suggestive high times,I would go with smoked
Lexan for all windows,put mirror backing on the overhead hatches(or
even the entire overhead!) and,in the absence of suitably strong
deck/cabin beams,locate strong points either at the shear clamp or
the inboard edges of the two bunks/benches.Granted this will have the
regretable effect of limiting the degree of "swing-to-the-fling" fun
ratio but does open up a whole new horizon of truely under
appreciated"bounce-to-the-ounce" ratios which have only rarely been
cited in contempory nautical literature.My own sadly out of print
copy of Gustav La Framboises' antholgy "Les Petite Plaisir du Marine"
devotes an entire chapter to this very subject!Mind you,this is
really for the adept connaisseur(euse) but there is an excellent
bibliography and Gustav did make something of of fetish with his
footnotes!
Perhaps inter-library loans could locate a copy for you.......?!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,seeking practical means to ward off the ever present
chill in the air(- 18),along the St.Lawrence...........
> I'm still musing about your strap hooks in the cabin ceiling. As IDon,
> get older my weight's going up, and athletics retreating.
> Donb
>
For some potentially suggestive high times,I would go with smoked
Lexan for all windows,put mirror backing on the overhead hatches(or
even the entire overhead!) and,in the absence of suitably strong
deck/cabin beams,locate strong points either at the shear clamp or
the inboard edges of the two bunks/benches.Granted this will have the
regretable effect of limiting the degree of "swing-to-the-fling" fun
ratio but does open up a whole new horizon of truely under
appreciated"bounce-to-the-ounce" ratios which have only rarely been
cited in contempory nautical literature.My own sadly out of print
copy of Gustav La Framboises' antholgy "Les Petite Plaisir du Marine"
devotes an entire chapter to this very subject!Mind you,this is
really for the adept connaisseur(euse) but there is an excellent
bibliography and Gustav did make something of of fetish with his
footnotes!
Perhaps inter-library loans could locate a copy for you.......?!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,seeking practical means to ward off the ever present
chill in the air(- 18),along the St.Lawrence...........
I'm still musing about your strap hooks in the cabin ceiling. As I
get older my weight's going up, and athletics retreating.
Donb
get older my weight's going up, and athletics retreating.
Donb
--- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> > I wonder if the lengthened deck
> > will impede your 'angle' when pulling
> > the starter rope on an outboard motor?
>
> Bruce,it has been suggested that one could put a longer starter
rope
> on the motor and have it run into the cabin through a small
hole.The
> motor does not have to turn to stear the boat.
>
>
>
>
>
> > I wonder if this tiller gasket
> > has the purpose of providing
> > protection from carbon monoxide?
>
> The exhaust is occuring outside the boat,literally.and your
forward
> movement combined with the great ventilation of the cabin will
> mitigate carbon monoxide poisoning,unless the chef goes wild over
> dinner :-)
> It(the tiller gasket) would certainly help if pooped and this
seems
> to follow the intended Navigator mission.Otherwise,it will serve
to
> keep out the bugs while enjoying a snug cove overnight.
>
> Don will hopefully jump in to set me straight with my simple
> opinions ;-)
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,Micro builder who missed his chance for a Navigator
but
> interested nevertheless in others exploits.............
Yes Bruce, that is pretty much what I have, maybe not so far back.
Measured from the outside face of the ply transom, to the deck is
450mm (1'-6")
My boat is modified, by adding on to the bow, and the stern, but the
outboard is in the same original location. I just went and put the
motor on to check. When you kneel on the aft deck or lean over the
deck from the cabin opening and pull the starter cord, on my 4hp
Yamaha, it's a gentle shallow upward angle pull....no problems at
all. I got rid of the aft top crosspiece ages ago....always got in
the way, the motor hit it etc etc. With the new aft deck in place,as
per plan but slightly extended, the whole structure is as solid as a
concrete bunker. Even without my further aft extension.
As for the gasket, probably Peter is correct, if you were going to
sea seriously, and needed to combat the ultimate wave, it's a minor
safety issue. Not Me!
Again, if you needed to fire up the motor to turn into a 60ft wave,
maybe a starter cord leading into the cabin would work! But it's
quite a long floppy length, and then you still have to go outside to
put it in gear and throttle away. It would be like the old British
Seagull, where you sent your guests home with starter cord welts all
over their bodies,in this case closed fist uppercuts.
You can see my boat at-
www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/oink2/index.htm
and
www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/oink/index.htm
and
Bolger photos Micro to.......
None of these photos are up to date. The new transom now has the
motor slot cut right up, so the motor can more easily be lifted into
place straight in, rather than up and over.
If you have any more queries, email me. At present I am (supposed)
to be completing the rigging.
I would say, that if doing it all again, I would have sold my boat
and started from scratch. Quicker and cheaper. But don't let that
deter you, especially as you did so well on the purchase price!
DonB
Measured from the outside face of the ply transom, to the deck is
450mm (1'-6")
My boat is modified, by adding on to the bow, and the stern, but the
outboard is in the same original location. I just went and put the
motor on to check. When you kneel on the aft deck or lean over the
deck from the cabin opening and pull the starter cord, on my 4hp
Yamaha, it's a gentle shallow upward angle pull....no problems at
all. I got rid of the aft top crosspiece ages ago....always got in
the way, the motor hit it etc etc. With the new aft deck in place,as
per plan but slightly extended, the whole structure is as solid as a
concrete bunker. Even without my further aft extension.
As for the gasket, probably Peter is correct, if you were going to
sea seriously, and needed to combat the ultimate wave, it's a minor
safety issue. Not Me!
Again, if you needed to fire up the motor to turn into a 60ft wave,
maybe a starter cord leading into the cabin would work! But it's
quite a long floppy length, and then you still have to go outside to
put it in gear and throttle away. It would be like the old British
Seagull, where you sent your guests home with starter cord welts all
over their bodies,in this case closed fist uppercuts.
You can see my boat at-
www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/oink2/index.htm
and
www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/oink/index.htm
and
Bolger photos Micro to.......
None of these photos are up to date. The new transom now has the
motor slot cut right up, so the motor can more easily be lifted into
place straight in, rather than up and over.
If you have any more queries, email me. At present I am (supposed)
to be completing the rigging.
I would say, that if doing it all again, I would have sold my boat
and started from scratch. Quicker and cheaper. But don't let that
deter you, especially as you did so well on the purchase price!
DonB
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> --- "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
> > I actually extended the rear deck
> > a few inches further to the rear.
>
>http://www.hallman.org/bolger/micro/deck.gif
>
> ...Shows my guess at your deck modification.
>
> I wonder if the lengthened deck
> will impede your 'angle' when pulling
> the starter rope on an outboard motor?
>
> I suppose you could start the motor,
> when it is turned 45 degrees from center.
>
> Does your motor hit the top crosspiece on
> the transom, when tilted up?
> [As is common I understand.]
>
> > Bolger shows a sort of gasket around the tiller,
> > which I would rather not have.
>
> I wonder if this tiller gasket
> has the purpose of providing
> protection from carbon monoxide?
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
on the motor and have it run into the cabin through a small hole.The
motor does not have to turn to stear the boat.
movement combined with the great ventilation of the cabin will
mitigate carbon monoxide poisoning,unless the chef goes wild over
dinner :-)
It(the tiller gasket) would certainly help if pooped and this seems
to follow the intended Navigator mission.Otherwise,it will serve to
keep out the bugs while enjoying a snug cove overnight.
Don will hopefully jump in to set me straight with my simple
opinions ;-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,Micro builder who missed his chance for a Navigator but
interested nevertheless in others exploits.............
> I wonder if the lengthened deckBruce,it has been suggested that one could put a longer starter rope
> will impede your 'angle' when pulling
> the starter rope on an outboard motor?
on the motor and have it run into the cabin through a small hole.The
motor does not have to turn to stear the boat.
> I wonder if this tiller gasketThe exhaust is occuring outside the boat,literally.and your forward
> has the purpose of providing
> protection from carbon monoxide?
movement combined with the great ventilation of the cabin will
mitigate carbon monoxide poisoning,unless the chef goes wild over
dinner :-)
It(the tiller gasket) would certainly help if pooped and this seems
to follow the intended Navigator mission.Otherwise,it will serve to
keep out the bugs while enjoying a snug cove overnight.
Don will hopefully jump in to set me straight with my simple
opinions ;-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,Micro builder who missed his chance for a Navigator but
interested nevertheless in others exploits.............
--- "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
...Shows my guess at your deck modification.
I wonder if the lengthened deck
will impede your 'angle' when pulling
the starter rope on an outboard motor?
I suppose you could start the motor,
when it is turned 45 degrees from center.
Does your motor hit the top crosspiece on
the transom, when tilted up?
[As is common I understand.]
has the purpose of providing
protection from carbon monoxide?
> I actually extended the rear deckhttp://www.hallman.org/bolger/micro/deck.gif
> a few inches further to the rear.
...Shows my guess at your deck modification.
I wonder if the lengthened deck
will impede your 'angle' when pulling
the starter rope on an outboard motor?
I suppose you could start the motor,
when it is turned 45 degrees from center.
Does your motor hit the top crosspiece on
the transom, when tilted up?
[As is common I understand.]
> Bolger shows a sort of gasket around the tiller,I wonder if this tiller gasket
> which I would rather not have.
has the purpose of providing
protection from carbon monoxide?
Observing from the hatch of my Navigator on blocks in the driveway,
your observations are correct. The wide open hatch gives lots of
light and air, and you could certainly sail with your head above the
deck, standing on the step or further forward. The opening front
window gives a good blast of breeze, even 'anchored' in the lee of
my house. The air seems to be guided across the deck and straight
in, as Bolger suggests in his writings.
I have not dared ask my wife to experiment with the wife on portaloo
aft, man gasping in the front hatchway, yet. I feel she would be
inhibited by the neighbours.
I actually extended the rear deck a few inches further to the rear.
Standing with ones belly against the back of the hatch, while trying
to stand vertical and manipulate the hatch lock felt awkward and
almost unsafe. And the little extra deck gave a 'drip' to help keep
water away from the tiller slot. This works well on land. Bolger
shows a sort of gasket around the tiller, which I would rather not
have. Most of the time boats are facing into driving rain, at least
when moored, but time will tell.
Finally, the Navigator conversion gives a much more spacious feeling
boat, but it's all in the trade-offs which suits you best.
Donb
-- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
your observations are correct. The wide open hatch gives lots of
light and air, and you could certainly sail with your head above the
deck, standing on the step or further forward. The opening front
window gives a good blast of breeze, even 'anchored' in the lee of
my house. The air seems to be guided across the deck and straight
in, as Bolger suggests in his writings.
I have not dared ask my wife to experiment with the wife on portaloo
aft, man gasping in the front hatchway, yet. I feel she would be
inhibited by the neighbours.
I actually extended the rear deck a few inches further to the rear.
Standing with ones belly against the back of the hatch, while trying
to stand vertical and manipulate the hatch lock felt awkward and
almost unsafe. And the little extra deck gave a 'drip' to help keep
water away from the tiller slot. This works well on land. Bolger
shows a sort of gasket around the tiller, which I would rather not
have. Most of the time boats are facing into driving rain, at least
when moored, but time will tell.
Finally, the Navigator conversion gives a much more spacious feeling
boat, but it's all in the trade-offs which suits you best.
Donb
-- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
> --- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:removable,
> > end up with much more "interior" living room with the Navigator
>
> True, I guess. Note that the sliding roof hatch of Navigator
> extends 4 feet of the 8 feet of roof. The rear hatch is
> ditto for the forward hatch, and the center forward window opens.too
> Not exactly 'outside' but I suspect Navigator gets plenty of fresh
> air. On San Francisco Bay, especially in the summer, you get a
> stiff cold (sometimes foggy) offshore breeze, so shelter mignt be
> welcome. The tiny rear deck 4 feet by 3 feet, is small, but not
> small to sit upon. Similar to the tiny forward deck. I bet the
> forward hatch would be a happy place to stand and enjoy the view
> while one's boat mate uses the porta-potty in the 'master cabin'
> <grin>.
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
too :-D
> --- "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:I also never learnt how to swim......I am a much better sailor for it
> > I never did put foam in my forward well
>
> Once again, unintended consequences
> from deviations in a PCB design :)
too :-D
--- "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
from deviations in a PCB design :)
> I never did put foam in my forward wellOnce again, unintended consequences
from deviations in a PCB design :)
Bruce,
I never did put foam in my forward well since I prefered to use
all the space for my 2 anchors and several hundred feet of line.This
would explain why I can flood her easily by the bow when
underway.Being 6' and weighing in at over 200lbs also goes a long way
in getting her down.......The drain holes also help after I take my
shower.All the soapy water not only keeps things clean in the anchor
well but does not linger to become a slippery surface!
Those crazy steps work well when approaching a beach and if the
slope of the beach is right,you can alight without getting your feet
wet! They are horrible devices for actual extraction of ones body
from deep water however and unless endowed with great upper body
strength,any attempts will be foiled until you are near exhaustion.
Much better to use the side of the transom which is boomkin-free to
mount one of those nifty aluminum folding ladders or else be prepared
to actually use the outboard foot to clamber back on board.Several
years ago I had a most frightening experience concerning the boarding
of my Micro from deep water........not something I would ever want to
repeat in this life!
The famous Wiley window/vent, working in concert with an outer
screen, will effectively stop spray from coming in or "spitting".If
one were ever in conditions where water begins to spit through this
vent,I fear that you will be very busy indeed with more pressing
matters for water must not only find its way in and around the bow
transom,but must also navigate its way around the mainmast then up
through the vent.
That's my take on it and only based on my experience in non-
ocean settings.The St.Lawrence may be mighty but waves much over 3
feet are a rare and dangerous occurrence reserved for the reaches
closer to the gulf.
I never did put foam in my forward well since I prefered to use
all the space for my 2 anchors and several hundred feet of line.This
would explain why I can flood her easily by the bow when
underway.Being 6' and weighing in at over 200lbs also goes a long way
in getting her down.......The drain holes also help after I take my
shower.All the soapy water not only keeps things clean in the anchor
well but does not linger to become a slippery surface!
Those crazy steps work well when approaching a beach and if the
slope of the beach is right,you can alight without getting your feet
wet! They are horrible devices for actual extraction of ones body
from deep water however and unless endowed with great upper body
strength,any attempts will be foiled until you are near exhaustion.
Much better to use the side of the transom which is boomkin-free to
mount one of those nifty aluminum folding ladders or else be prepared
to actually use the outboard foot to clamber back on board.Several
years ago I had a most frightening experience concerning the boarding
of my Micro from deep water........not something I would ever want to
repeat in this life!
The famous Wiley window/vent, working in concert with an outer
screen, will effectively stop spray from coming in or "spitting".If
one were ever in conditions where water begins to spit through this
vent,I fear that you will be very busy indeed with more pressing
matters for water must not only find its way in and around the bow
transom,but must also navigate its way around the mainmast then up
through the vent.
That's my take on it and only based on my experience in non-
ocean settings.The St.Lawrence may be mighty but waves much over 3
feet are a rare and dangerous occurrence reserved for the reaches
closer to the gulf.
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
>
>
> The Navigator plans show 60% of the
> volume of this space filled with
> buoyancy foam anyway. There would come
> a point that the foam would support the
> weight of any person standing up there.
>
> Those 'steps' through the bow transom also serve
> as a 'Bolgeresque' statement of sorts. ...chop
> off the pointy bow, and freeflooding bow well...
>
> "A gratitious mockery of Right-Thinking
> Boatmen and other snobs."
>
> Why own a Micro if you don't want to flaunt it?
>
> I guess I must have the steps.
--- "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
bottom in the forward splash well are
important to allow the drainage of rain
water and mud/slop from the anchor and warp.
The Navigator plans show 60% of the
volume of this space filled with
buoyancy foam anyway. There would come
a point that the foam would support the
weight of any person standing up there.
Those 'steps' through the bow transom also serve
as a 'Bolgeresque' statement of sorts. ...chop
off the pointy bow, and freeflooding bow well...
"A gratitious mockery of Right-Thinking
Boatmen and other snobs."
Why own a Micro if you don't want to flaunt it?
I guess I must have the steps.
> I would further suggest thatI think those drain holes through the
> those little drain holes in
> the bottom be either eliminated
> or made in such a fashion that they
> could both receive a plug.
bottom in the forward splash well are
important to allow the drainage of rain
water and mud/slop from the anchor and warp.
The Navigator plans show 60% of the
volume of this space filled with
buoyancy foam anyway. There would come
a point that the foam would support the
weight of any person standing up there.
Those 'steps' through the bow transom also serve
as a 'Bolgeresque' statement of sorts. ...chop
off the pointy bow, and freeflooding bow well...
"A gratitious mockery of Right-Thinking
Boatmen and other snobs."
Why own a Micro if you don't want to flaunt it?
I guess I must have the steps.
Good plan!I would further suggest that those little drain holes in
the bottom be either elliminated or made in such a fashion that they
could both receive a plug.Another thought may be to make the platform
water tight with drain holes out the side(above the waterline).The
space bellow could serve as either a nifty little alcove for odds and
ends or even for a slide out tray on which the galley unit would be
located.
And,of course,a bunch of us look forward to your pictures as things
progress :-D
Peter Lenihan
the bottom be either elliminated or made in such a fashion that they
could both receive a plug.Another thought may be to make the platform
water tight with drain holes out the side(above the waterline).The
space bellow could serve as either a nifty little alcove for odds and
ends or even for a slide out tray on which the galley unit would be
located.
And,of course,a bunch of us look forward to your pictures as things
progress :-D
Peter Lenihan
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
>
> I may be a heretic, but I a leaning
> towards deviating from the plans by
> omitting the 'steps' on the bow
> 'transom'. If I fell overboard
> I think I would much prefer to climb
> in over the stern anyway.
--- "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
towards deviating from the plans by
omitting the 'steps' on the bow
'transom'. If I fell overboard
I think I would much prefer to climb
in over the stern anyway.
> ...if someone does stand/sitI may be a heretic, but I a leaning
> up forward near the mainmast for
> any length of time,the Micro begins
> to nose-dive. That is,water begins to
> flood up through the drain holes
> in the bottom sinking the bow ever
> lower until the water starts to
> enter through the first step.
towards deviating from the plans by
omitting the 'steps' on the bow
'transom'. If I fell overboard
I think I would much prefer to climb
in over the stern anyway.
--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
I am sure that the Navigator has many means of maintaining plenty
of circulating air and certainly the Bay is a good spot for this
version.I would love to sail there one day,just for the thrill of it!
As to the forward hatch providing a place to retire to while
another enjoys a thunderbox session,lets hope it is not raining nor
too windy :-) This also leads to the question;who is driving the
boat?!
One weakness I noticed,however was that if someone does stand/sit
up forward near the mainmast for any length of time,the Micro begins
to nose-dive.That is,water begins to flood up through the drain holes
in the bottom sinking the bow ever lower until the water starts to
enter through the first step.Next thing you know,water is up to your
ankles and the stern is cocked up at a weird angle.I never stayed
there much longer to see just what would happen ultimately since my
crew,who was at the helm, began to make Italien panic noises and I
had to go back to driving the boat.
At anyrate,I look forward to seeing how she works out for you
Bruce and never forget,the Navigator version can always be modified
to the conventional Micro ;-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,glad to be inside away from the now -21 chill factored
wind.............
P.S. Bruce,I scanned some of the Champlain photos(courtesy of
WATERCRAFT) over on Bolger2 "PHOTO" section but something weird
happend to the best shot of them all.Will correct the problem this
evening.Enjoy!
> > end up with much more "interior" living room with the Navigatorfresh
>
> > Not exactly 'outside' but I suspect Navigator gets plenty of
> air. I bet theHi Bruce,
> forward hatch would be a happy place to stand and enjoy the view
> while one's boat mate uses the porta-potty in the 'master cabin'
> <grin>.
I am sure that the Navigator has many means of maintaining plenty
of circulating air and certainly the Bay is a good spot for this
version.I would love to sail there one day,just for the thrill of it!
As to the forward hatch providing a place to retire to while
another enjoys a thunderbox session,lets hope it is not raining nor
too windy :-) This also leads to the question;who is driving the
boat?!
One weakness I noticed,however was that if someone does stand/sit
up forward near the mainmast for any length of time,the Micro begins
to nose-dive.That is,water begins to flood up through the drain holes
in the bottom sinking the bow ever lower until the water starts to
enter through the first step.Next thing you know,water is up to your
ankles and the stern is cocked up at a weird angle.I never stayed
there much longer to see just what would happen ultimately since my
crew,who was at the helm, began to make Italien panic noises and I
had to go back to driving the boat.
At anyrate,I look forward to seeing how she works out for you
Bruce and never forget,the Navigator version can always be modified
to the conventional Micro ;-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,glad to be inside away from the now -21 chill factored
wind.............
P.S. Bruce,I scanned some of the Champlain photos(courtesy of
WATERCRAFT) over on Bolger2 "PHOTO" section but something weird
happend to the best shot of them all.Will correct the problem this
evening.Enjoy!
--- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
extends 4 feet of the 8 feet of roof. The rear hatch is removable,
ditto for the forward hatch, and the center forward window opens.
Not exactly 'outside' but I suspect Navigator gets plenty of fresh
air. On San Francisco Bay, especially in the summer, you get a
stiff cold (sometimes foggy) offshore breeze, so shelter mignt be
welcome. The tiny rear deck 4 feet by 3 feet, is small, but not too
small to sit upon. Similar to the tiny forward deck. I bet the
forward hatch would be a happy place to stand and enjoy the view
while one's boat mate uses the porta-potty in the 'master cabin'
<grin>.
> end up with much more "interior" living room with the NavigatorTrue, I guess. Note that the sliding roof hatch of Navigator
extends 4 feet of the 8 feet of roof. The rear hatch is removable,
ditto for the forward hatch, and the center forward window opens.
Not exactly 'outside' but I suspect Navigator gets plenty of fresh
air. On San Francisco Bay, especially in the summer, you get a
stiff cold (sometimes foggy) offshore breeze, so shelter mignt be
welcome. The tiny rear deck 4 feet by 3 feet, is small, but not too
small to sit upon. Similar to the tiny forward deck. I bet the
forward hatch would be a happy place to stand and enjoy the view
while one's boat mate uses the porta-potty in the 'master cabin'
<grin>.
Hi David,
Nothing like planning ahead,eh David? Unless you have made
some sort of major booboo,it should take a fair number of years for
your keel assembly to rot out especially since you trailer sail your
Micro.
The biggest difference I can see between the two is that you
end up with much more "interior" living room with the Navigator
version.The shelter may be worth it in always rainy environments or
pure tropical sun conditions.On such a small boat,one big down side
(at least for me) is that you really do not have much choice between
being "inside" or "out".You are always "inside" and I like to spend
more time "outside" when sailing.Being able to feel the wind on my
face when sailing,is critical to me,as I have no electronic
instruments to otherwise guide me.Also,if you do much sailing with
more then one person on board,it is sometimes nice to be able to "get
away from" the other or at least creat the illusion of seperate
living spaces.I will leave it to your imagination the use of the Port-
a-Potty right smack in the middle of the cockpit/helm/cabin/sleeping
quarters type of arrangement the Navigator style imposes.
The rig is something else all together.While it may offer an
advantage over the conventional Micro rig,it is my belief that this
is mostly a theoretical advantage and is really more of a constant
attention sponge then the easy,almost mindless simplicity of the
Micro rig.This is particularly true for the basic sheltered day
sailing most of us do,in high summer,when the winds can sometimes be
fickle.
On the other hand,if you intend to do some serious heavy
weather sailing,along the coast or(God forbid) off-shore,then the
Navigator rig does appear to make the entire sail handling business
relatively safer as it is accomplished from within the small confines
of the cabin.
One final thought for your consideration;the Navigator rig
does not strike me as a very "clean" rig.Too much drag for such a
small boat where every little bit of "slickness" can go along way
toward hitting that magic number of 4.5......hull speed.The height of
the Navigator cabin being just another element in the too much drag
department.
So,there's my .02 cents worth.Sorry cannot provide you with a
scan of the drawing and if it is any help to you,I would have gone
the Navigator route in a heartbeat,had it been available when I built
my Micro.That way,all of the above would at least been from first
hand experience and not just my gut feelings :-)
Happy schemming!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who is beginning to find our -16 wind chill factor a
wee pain in the bum,from along the shores of the nippy St.Lawrence....
Nothing like planning ahead,eh David? Unless you have made
some sort of major booboo,it should take a fair number of years for
your keel assembly to rot out especially since you trailer sail your
Micro.
The biggest difference I can see between the two is that you
end up with much more "interior" living room with the Navigator
version.The shelter may be worth it in always rainy environments or
pure tropical sun conditions.On such a small boat,one big down side
(at least for me) is that you really do not have much choice between
being "inside" or "out".You are always "inside" and I like to spend
more time "outside" when sailing.Being able to feel the wind on my
face when sailing,is critical to me,as I have no electronic
instruments to otherwise guide me.Also,if you do much sailing with
more then one person on board,it is sometimes nice to be able to "get
away from" the other or at least creat the illusion of seperate
living spaces.I will leave it to your imagination the use of the Port-
a-Potty right smack in the middle of the cockpit/helm/cabin/sleeping
quarters type of arrangement the Navigator style imposes.
The rig is something else all together.While it may offer an
advantage over the conventional Micro rig,it is my belief that this
is mostly a theoretical advantage and is really more of a constant
attention sponge then the easy,almost mindless simplicity of the
Micro rig.This is particularly true for the basic sheltered day
sailing most of us do,in high summer,when the winds can sometimes be
fickle.
On the other hand,if you intend to do some serious heavy
weather sailing,along the coast or(God forbid) off-shore,then the
Navigator rig does appear to make the entire sail handling business
relatively safer as it is accomplished from within the small confines
of the cabin.
One final thought for your consideration;the Navigator rig
does not strike me as a very "clean" rig.Too much drag for such a
small boat where every little bit of "slickness" can go along way
toward hitting that magic number of 4.5......hull speed.The height of
the Navigator cabin being just another element in the too much drag
department.
So,there's my .02 cents worth.Sorry cannot provide you with a
scan of the drawing and if it is any help to you,I would have gone
the Navigator route in a heartbeat,had it been available when I built
my Micro.That way,all of the above would at least been from first
hand experience and not just my gut feelings :-)
Happy schemming!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who is beginning to find our -16 wind chill factor a
wee pain in the bum,from along the shores of the nippy St.Lawrence....
--- In bolger@y..., "dnjost" <djost@m...> wrote:
>
> I will ask the dumb question of the day. What is the difference
> between a Micro Navigator and a Micro? I have begun to ponder what
I
> will do when the keel assembly on Firefly rots out, which it will
do
> eventually.
>
.
>
> David Jost
> "a mind is a terrible thing to waste."
Hah. And I'm going sailing tomorrow! 60's and a west wind at 10 knots. Can't
ask for more, though the water is a bit nippy.
Micro navigator is a "cruising" version of the little cruiser. Chinese gaff
main, pilothouse and no cockput.
Good article here:
http://www.boatdesign.com/micro/files/navigator1.pdf
ask for more, though the water is a bit nippy.
Micro navigator is a "cruising" version of the little cruiser. Chinese gaff
main, pilothouse and no cockput.
Good article here:
http://www.boatdesign.com/micro/files/navigator1.pdf
----- Original Message -----
From: "dnjost" <djost@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 7:20 PM
Subject: [bolger] ugh, oh...the off season
| All this talk of making a micro into a micro navigator has caught my
| attention. Off season ramblings...(there is 6" of snow on poor
| Firefly).
|
| I will ask the dumb question of the day. What is the difference
| between a Micro Navigator and a Micro? and, Where can I see a set of
| drawings that shows the differences? I have begun to ponder what I
| will do when the keel assembly on Firefly rots out, which it will do
| eventually.
|
| These offseason ruminations can be quite dangerous.
|
| David Jost
| "a mind is a terrible thing to waste."
|
|
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--- "dnjost" <djost@m...> wrote:
I had to use the Raka slow hardener
because the fast hardener was firing
off to quickly. :)
www.boatdesign.com/micro/files/navigator1.pdf
There used to be a really cool
isometric drawing of Navigator
on the web somewhere, but it seems
to be gone now. [or I can't find it]
Both have the exact same hull,
but the Navigator has a 'glass
house' cabin, which is lenghtened
aftwards from the normal Micro cabin,
Also, there are two facing 6'6"
berths/bench seats. Navigator has a
Chinese Gaff rig with two dozen sheets
and lines for fine tuning and reefing
sails entirely from inside the cabin.
> Off season ramblings...(there is 6" of snowHere in California, it is so warm that
I had to use the Raka slow hardener
because the fast hardener was firing
off to quickly. :)
> What is the differenceA scan of the MAIB article at:
> between a Micro Navigator and a Micro?
www.boatdesign.com/micro/files/navigator1.pdf
There used to be a really cool
isometric drawing of Navigator
on the web somewhere, but it seems
to be gone now. [or I can't find it]
Both have the exact same hull,
but the Navigator has a 'glass
house' cabin, which is lenghtened
aftwards from the normal Micro cabin,
Also, there are two facing 6'6"
berths/bench seats. Navigator has a
Chinese Gaff rig with two dozen sheets
and lines for fine tuning and reefing
sails entirely from inside the cabin.
> Where can I see a set ofPB&F would happily fax it to you I'm sure.
> drawings that shows the differences?
All this talk of making a micro into a micro navigator has caught my
attention. Off season ramblings...(there is 6" of snow on poor
Firefly).
I will ask the dumb question of the day. What is the difference
between a Micro Navigator and a Micro? and, Where can I see a set of
drawings that shows the differences? I have begun to ponder what I
will do when the keel assembly on Firefly rots out, which it will do
eventually.
These offseason ruminations can be quite dangerous.
David Jost
"a mind is a terrible thing to waste."
attention. Off season ramblings...(there is 6" of snow on poor
Firefly).
I will ask the dumb question of the day. What is the difference
between a Micro Navigator and a Micro? and, Where can I see a set of
drawings that shows the differences? I have begun to ponder what I
will do when the keel assembly on Firefly rots out, which it will do
eventually.
These offseason ruminations can be quite dangerous.
David Jost
"a mind is a terrible thing to waste."