[bolger] Re: Teal Opinions?
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
My old boat had many healing moments, and each one cost me a thousand
dollars. It must have had a heeling moment too, but I never calculated
it.
Carter
>Ted Brewer wrote "healing moment"??!
> From: Understanding Boat Design, 4th edition, Ted Brewer, Pp. 26
>
> "...stability varies as the cube of the length, while healing moment
> as the square of the length."
>
My old boat had many healing moments, and each one cost me a thousand
dollars. It must have had a heeling moment too, but I never calculated
it.
Carter
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2621
3 dimensions together). Since I don't remember my hydrostatics, I don't
know exactly what the definitions are, but if you increase the length
and the displacement proportionally, but keep the same cross sections,
beam, etc., then the torque righting the boat at a given angle of heel
should go up with the first power of length. I say that because then
you have a force increased by the first power of the length acting at
the exact same distance proportional to the beam (actually, the
integral of the water pressure on the hull, but it amounts to the same
thing). I would bet that the way Mr. Brewer has it set up (presumably
the usual convention, whatever it is) is correct. I wish I had bought a
copy of PNA (Principles of Naval Architecture) when I could, and then
it would be easy to look this stuff up. Instead I have decades of
designing sheet metal boxes to remember past.
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2621
>snipWell, presumably they're scaling the whole thing up linearly (i.e. all
>
> From: Understanding Boat Design, 4th edition, Ted Brewer, Pp. 26
>
> "...stability varies as the cube of the length, while healing moment
> as the square of the length."
>
> Of course just because it's in print does mean it's true. Mr. Brewer
> has some rather unkind words for high-sided sharpies in the same book!
> snip
3 dimensions together). Since I don't remember my hydrostatics, I don't
know exactly what the definitions are, but if you increase the length
and the displacement proportionally, but keep the same cross sections,
beam, etc., then the torque righting the boat at a given angle of heel
should go up with the first power of length. I say that because then
you have a force increased by the first power of the length acting at
the exact same distance proportional to the beam (actually, the
integral of the water pressure on the hull, but it amounts to the same
thing). I would bet that the way Mr. Brewer has it set up (presumably
the usual convention, whatever it is) is correct. I wish I had bought a
copy of PNA (Principles of Naval Architecture) when I could, and then
it would be easy to look this stuff up. Instead I have decades of
designing sheet metal boxes to remember past.
>david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:From: Understanding Boat Design, 4th edition, Ted Brewer, Pp. 26
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2611
> >snip
> > i'm told that stablity increases as a function of the cube of the
> > length. longer means more boat to push into the water, right?
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David Ryan
> > Minister of Information and Culture
> > Crumbling Empire Productions
> > (212) 247-0296
>That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If your beam remains constant,
>then the stability should only go up to the extent that you have
>increased displacement to go with the length, right? (Assuming similar
>shapes, depth, etc.) If your beam goes up too, it's a different story.
>
>I must admit I can no longer recall my hydrostatics without more work
>than I'm willing to put into it right now.
>
"...stability varies as the cube of the length, while healing moment
as the square of the length."
Of course just because it's in print does mean it's true. Mr. Brewer
has some rather unkind words for high-sided sharpies in the same book!
YIBB,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2611
then the stability should only go up to the extent that you have
increased displacement to go with the length, right? (Assuming similar
shapes, depth, etc.) If your beam goes up too, it's a different story.
I must admit I can no longer recall my hydrostatics without more work
than I'm willing to put into it right now.
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2611
>snipThat doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If your beam remains constant,
> i'm told that stablity increases as a function of the cube of the
> length. longer means more boat to push into the water, right?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David Ryan
> Minister of Information and Culture
> Crumbling Empire Productions
> (212) 247-0296
then the stability should only go up to the extent that you have
increased displacement to go with the length, right? (Assuming similar
shapes, depth, etc.) If your beam goes up too, it's a different story.
I must admit I can no longer recall my hydrostatics without more work
than I'm willing to put into it right now.
>I wonder if a longer hull of the same beam will be more tender?i'm told that stablity increases as a function of the cube of the
>alex
>
>david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
> > I can stand and cast in my teal. Being longer, the surf *should* be
> > more stable.
length. longer means more boat to push into the water, right?
YIBB,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
Alex,
If the shape and the beam of the boats are the same, and if one were
half again longer than the other, then you would get half again more
stability in the longer, i.e., it will take 50% more downward force on
the gunwale to immerse to the same depth. This is because there is
just more boat (more volume) to immerse. And I believe that Surf and
Teal have a similar 4 ft. beam, and double-ended shape - right David?
However, you can not lengthen the boom by half again and the mast by
half again, because the sail area will go up by a factor of 2.2,
creating a very tender boat.
Phil Lea
Russellville, Arkansas
"alex" <alex-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2605
If the shape and the beam of the boats are the same, and if one were
half again longer than the other, then you would get half again more
stability in the longer, i.e., it will take 50% more downward force on
the gunwale to immerse to the same depth. This is because there is
just more boat (more volume) to immerse. And I believe that Surf and
Teal have a similar 4 ft. beam, and double-ended shape - right David?
However, you can not lengthen the boom by half again and the mast by
half again, because the sail area will go up by a factor of 2.2,
creating a very tender boat.
Phil Lea
Russellville, Arkansas
"alex" <alex-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2605
> I wonder if a longer hull of the same beam will be more tender?
> alex
>
> david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
> > I can stand and cast in my teal. Being longer, the surf *should* be
> > more stable.
I wonder if a longer hull of the same beam will be more tender?
alex
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
alex
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
> I can stand and cast in my teal. Being longer, the surf *should* be
> more stable.
Ditto. I sailed my teal with my wife and airedale in Lake Washington. Had
a ball until the dog got excited. Quieted her with a beer. She then lay
down, bit the remaining cans and licked the little geysers. Ended up drunk
and jumping overboard for a duck. Great boat for rowing or sailing 2 agile
folks.
Rennie
a ball until the dog got excited. Quieted her with a beer. She then lay
down, bit the remaining cans and licked the little geysers. Ended up drunk
and jumping overboard for a duck. Great boat for rowing or sailing 2 agile
folks.
Rennie
>From: David Ryan <david@...>______________________________________________________
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>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Teal Opinions?
>Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:59:21 -0500
>
>>
>>Hi Garth, Yes, I have a punt and it is VERY small. Really only for
>>an adult and in calm conditions, a small child.
>>I Have not seen a Teal, but Bolger says in his book..."one adult OR
>>two smallish children makes an overload in anything but
>>PERFECTLY smooth water."
>>So you better look at it carefully.
>
>Last summer I regularly sailed my teal in and around the surf zone in
>12-15 knots with 2 adults. If my boat floated when swamped it would
>have been real fun!
>
>Also sailed around the lake (warm and shallow) with my prego wife and
>newf in lighter air.
>
>YIBB,
>
>
>David Ryan
>Minister of Information and Culture
>Crumbling Empire Productions
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Hey, yeah! I never meant to skip the plans. Cheap investment from HHP. Plans
PLUS book are the recipe to follow.
jeb
At 12:17 PM 2/11/2000 -0800, you wrote:
PLUS book are the recipe to follow.
jeb
At 12:17 PM 2/11/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>I am working on a Teal now. I have attached the chime logs and am
>beguinning to put the bottom on. So far no problems except for one BIG
>epoxy hockey puck ( Important saftey tip: if you heat resain to remove
>crystals, let it cool before you mix a big batch).
>
>I highly recomend that you get the plans, as opposed to trying to build
>from the books. The Teal plans have obvious updates, some of which are
>performance -enhancing, and some affect construction. I would have
>figured out the construction-critical ones by now (with some help from
>a moaning chair), but pry never would have run into the performance
>enhancements. Also, you can scale from the plans, if you are going to
>add modifications like floatation.
>
>
>DGO.
>
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>Blake,I can stand and cast in my teal. Being longer, the surf *should* be
>
>For what it's worth, H.Payson's favorite of Instant Boats
>was/is? Surf. Surf is a 15'6" long on about the same midsection
>as Teal. This make for Surf's easier ply bending. I do not
>think a double-ended hull is significantly less stable (unless
>your have a motor near the transom) than a hull with a square
>transom, if that's what you meant. However, a 3'7" beam is not
>very stable in my books.
more stable.
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
Blake,
For what it's worth, H.Payson's favorite of Instant Boats
was/is? Surf. Surf is a 15'6" long on about the same midsection
as Teal. This make for Surf's easier ply bending. I do not
think a double-ended hull is significantly less stable (unless
your have a motor near the transom) than a hull with a square
transom, if that's what you meant. However, a 3'7" beam is not
very stable in my books.
At any rate, I suggest to buy a plan even if it has been
published in a book. As they say in Texas, it's decorative
and functional... when construction is finished you can frame
it and hang on your favorite wall.
alex
"blake sartin" <bsarti-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2542
For what it's worth, H.Payson's favorite of Instant Boats
was/is? Surf. Surf is a 15'6" long on about the same midsection
as Teal. This make for Surf's easier ply bending. I do not
think a double-ended hull is significantly less stable (unless
your have a motor near the transom) than a hull with a square
transom, if that's what you meant. However, a 3'7" beam is not
very stable in my books.
At any rate, I suggest to buy a plan even if it has been
published in a book. As they say in Texas, it's decorative
and functional... when construction is finished you can frame
it and hang on your favorite wall.
alex
"blake sartin" <bsarti-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=2542
> Hello group-past few
>
> I am a new member, I've been poking around on the internet for the
> weeks looking for the exact boat to build. I've looked at Stevenson,plans I am
> Bolger, and Carnell's boats.
>
> I originally chose the Stevenson 3-in-1, but after receiving the
> not that impressed with the design as it seems fussier than it shouldbe and
> heavier due to all of the topside finishing. It also incorporates aCB box
> that I am not thrilled about.plans
>
> After finding this group I began to consider some of Bolger/Payson's
> and decided on the Elegant Punt, but now I am thinking that maybethis boat
> is just a bit too small. Therefore, I am considering building theTeal
> instead, as the costs seem to be about the same. Also, I like thelines a
> lot more and it will fit well on the roof of my VW Camper at 12'. Ialso
> think that the double-pointed shape looks really nice, although I'm alittle
> concerned about stability.sailing
>
> Has anyone had any real-world experience with either building or
> this vessel? And could you share your experiences?
>
> I appreciate the help.
>
> Blake
> Knoxville, TN
>
>Last summer I regularly sailed my teal in and around the surf zone in
>Hi Garth, Yes, I have a punt and it is VERY small. Really only for
>an adult and in calm conditions, a small child.
>I Have not seen a Teal, but Bolger says in his book..."one adult OR
>two smallish children makes an overload in anything but
>PERFECTLY smooth water."
>So you better look at it carefully.
12-15 knots with 2 adults. If my boat floated when swamped it would
have been real fun!
Also sailed around the lake (warm and shallow) with my prego wife and
newf in lighter air.
YIBB,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
From: "Blake Sartin" <bsartin@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Date sent: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:48:20 -0500
Send reply to:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Teal Opinions?
Hi Garth, Yes, I have a punt and it is VERY small. Really only for an adult and in calm conditions, a small child.
I Have not seen a Teal, but Bolger says in his book..."one adult OR
two smallish children makes an overload in anything but
PERFECTLY smooth water."
So you better look at it carefully.
Good luck, Don
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Date sent: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:48:20 -0500
Send reply to:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Teal Opinions?
Hi Garth, Yes, I have a punt and it is VERY small. Really only for an adult and in calm conditions, a small child.
I Have not seen a Teal, but Bolger says in his book..."one adult OR
two smallish children makes an overload in anything but
PERFECTLY smooth water."
So you better look at it carefully.
Good luck, Don
> Hello group-
>
> I am a new member, I've been poking around on the internet for the past few
> weeks looking for the exact boat to build. I've looked at Stevenson,
> Bolger, and Carnell's boats.
>
> I originally chose the Stevenson 3-in-1, but after receiving the plans I am
> not that impressed with the design as it seems fussier than it should be and
> heavier due to all of the topside finishing. It also incorporates a CB box
> that I am not thrilled about.
>
> After finding this group I began to consider some of Bolger/Payson's plans
> and decided on the Elegant Punt, but now I am thinking that maybe this boat
> is just a bit too small. Therefore, I am considering building the Teal
> instead, as the costs seem to be about the same. Also, I like the lines a
> lot more and it will fit well on the roof of my VW Camper at 12'. I also
> think that the double-pointed shape looks really nice, although I'm a little
> concerned about stability.
>
> Has anyone had any real-world experience with either building or sailing
> this vessel? And could you share your experiences?
>
> I appreciate the help.
>
> Blake
> Knoxville, TN
>
>
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I am working on a Teal now. I have attached the chime logs and am
beguinning to put the bottom on. So far no problems except for one BIG
epoxy hockey puck ( Important saftey tip: if you heat resain to remove
crystals, let it cool before you mix a big batch).
I highly recomend that you get the plans, as opposed to trying to build
from the books. The Teal plans have obvious updates, some of which are
performance -enhancing, and some affect construction. I would have
figured out the construction-critical ones by now (with some help from
a moaning chair), but pry never would have run into the performance
enhancements. Also, you can scale from the plans, if you are going to
add modifications like floatation.
DGO.
beguinning to put the bottom on. So far no problems except for one BIG
epoxy hockey puck ( Important saftey tip: if you heat resain to remove
crystals, let it cool before you mix a big batch).
I highly recomend that you get the plans, as opposed to trying to build
from the books. The Teal plans have obvious updates, some of which are
performance -enhancing, and some affect construction. I would have
figured out the construction-critical ones by now (with some help from
a moaning chair), but pry never would have run into the performance
enhancements. Also, you can scale from the plans, if you are going to
add modifications like floatation.
DGO.
I know of no more elegant transformation of two sheets of plywood than Teal. HHP's step by step's (with the help of Karen) in Instant Boats is unbeatable. Stability is excellent for her size. My only hesitation is your desire for more room. Teal is a stretched punt. You'll get more performance from Teal, but not much more room. You'll still want to sail her from low down, center. But for fast, economical reward and satisfaction for your effort Teal would be my vote. Good luck.
jeb
jeb
On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Blake Sartin wrote:
http://www.friend.ly.net/user-homepages/d/dadadata/boat/bolger.html#Boats
It's easy and fun to build. It's very attractive. It's not very large,
although two adults can easily sail in her. She sails well, IMHO.
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sites2.htm#start
will take you to two other views of the boat.
It's stable enough, in that we've never come closs to dumping her. But I
sail reasonably conservatively; I am not a racer.
She's cheap, attractive, and easy to build. You can't go wrong, unless
you can only ever build one boat for all purposes for the rest of your
life. If that's the case, think carefully. If it's not the case, Teal is
a great place to begin.
-Chris
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
> Hello group-Yes, I've built one, and you can see it (and me) at:
>
> I am a new member, I've been poking around on the internet for the past few
> weeks looking for the exact boat to build. I've looked at Stevenson,
> Bolger, and Carnell's boats.
>
> I originally chose the Stevenson 3-in-1, but after receiving the plans I am
> not that impressed with the design as it seems fussier than it should be and
> heavier due to all of the topside finishing. It also incorporates a CB box
> that I am not thrilled about.
>
> After finding this group I began to consider some of Bolger/Payson's plans
> and decided on the Elegant Punt, but now I am thinking that maybe this boat
> is just a bit too small.
> Therefore, I am considering building the Teal instead, as the costs
> seem to be about the same. Also, I like the lines a lot more and it
> will fit well on the roof of my VW Camper at 12'. I also think that
> the double-pointed shape looks really nice, although I'm a little
> concerned about stability.
>
> Has anyone had any real-world experience with either building or
> sailing this vessel? And could you share your experiences?
http://www.friend.ly.net/user-homepages/d/dadadata/boat/bolger.html#Boats
It's easy and fun to build. It's very attractive. It's not very large,
although two adults can easily sail in her. She sails well, IMHO.
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sites2.htm#start
will take you to two other views of the boat.
It's stable enough, in that we've never come closs to dumping her. But I
sail reasonably conservatively; I am not a racer.
She's cheap, attractive, and easy to build. You can't go wrong, unless
you can only ever build one boat for all purposes for the rest of your
life. If that's the case, think carefully. If it's not the case, Teal is
a great place to begin.
-Chris
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
Blake:
You should look over Jim Michalak's designs:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/michalak/designs.htm
Also the Duckworks Boat Index has links to over a thousand boat designs
organized by type then length:
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/boatindex/index.htm
I hope this helps.
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
You should look over Jim Michalak's designs:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/michalak/designs.htm
Also the Duckworks Boat Index has links to over a thousand boat designs
organized by type then length:
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/boatindex/index.htm
I hope this helps.
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Blake Sartin <bsartin@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 11:48 AM
Subject: [bolger] Teal Opinions?
> Hello group-
>
> I am a new member, I've been poking around on the internet for the past
few
> weeks looking for the exact boat to build. I've looked at Stevenson,
> Bolger, and Carnell's boats.
>
> I originally chose the Stevenson 3-in-1, but after receiving the plans I
am
> not that impressed with the design as it seems fussier than it should be
and
> heavier due to all of the topside finishing. It also incorporates a CB
box
> that I am not thrilled about.
>
> After finding this group I began to consider some of Bolger/Payson's plans
> and decided on the Elegant Punt, but now I am thinking that maybe this
boat
> is just a bit too small. Therefore, I am considering building the Teal
> instead, as the costs seem to be about the same. Also, I like the lines a
> lot more and it will fit well on the roof of my VW Camper at 12'. I also
> think that the double-pointed shape looks really nice, although I'm a
little
> concerned about stability.
>
> Has anyone had any real-world experience with either building or sailing
> this vessel? And could you share your experiences?
>
> I appreciate the help.
>
> Blake
> Knoxville, TN
>
>
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> After finding this group I began to consider some of Bolger/Payson'splans
> and decided on the Elegant Punt, but now I am thinking that maybethis boat
> is just a bit too small.sailing
> Has anyone had any real-world experience with either building or
> this vessel? And could you share your experiences?I built an Elegant Punt. I felt it was more narrow and high-sided than
I liked in a dinghy. I must admit, however, that by the time I finished
building it I didn't have need of a tender, so I only took it rowing a
couple of times. In The Folding Schooner, Bolger allows that the Teal
is a better boat for the same material and effort.
Peter
Hello group-
I am a new member, I've been poking around on the internet for the past few
weeks looking for the exact boat to build. I've looked at Stevenson,
Bolger, and Carnell's boats.
I originally chose the Stevenson 3-in-1, but after receiving the plans I am
not that impressed with the design as it seems fussier than it should be and
heavier due to all of the topside finishing. It also incorporates a CB box
that I am not thrilled about.
After finding this group I began to consider some of Bolger/Payson's plans
and decided on the Elegant Punt, but now I am thinking that maybe this boat
is just a bit too small. Therefore, I am considering building the Teal
instead, as the costs seem to be about the same. Also, I like the lines a
lot more and it will fit well on the roof of my VW Camper at 12'. I also
think that the double-pointed shape looks really nice, although I'm a little
concerned about stability.
Has anyone had any real-world experience with either building or sailing
this vessel? And could you share your experiences?
I appreciate the help.
Blake
Knoxville, TN
I am a new member, I've been poking around on the internet for the past few
weeks looking for the exact boat to build. I've looked at Stevenson,
Bolger, and Carnell's boats.
I originally chose the Stevenson 3-in-1, but after receiving the plans I am
not that impressed with the design as it seems fussier than it should be and
heavier due to all of the topside finishing. It also incorporates a CB box
that I am not thrilled about.
After finding this group I began to consider some of Bolger/Payson's plans
and decided on the Elegant Punt, but now I am thinking that maybe this boat
is just a bit too small. Therefore, I am considering building the Teal
instead, as the costs seem to be about the same. Also, I like the lines a
lot more and it will fit well on the roof of my VW Camper at 12'. I also
think that the double-pointed shape looks really nice, although I'm a little
concerned about stability.
Has anyone had any real-world experience with either building or sailing
this vessel? And could you share your experiences?
I appreciate the help.
Blake
Knoxville, TN
Hi,
This doesn't answer your question, but IMHO the best thing you can do is buy
Carnell's boat plans. Even if you don't intend to build it studying the
plans is very informative. The best thing is that Carnell includes what
amounts to a basic boat building course with his plans. There is about 30
pages of information including sources, fiberglass and epoxy information,
tools, etc., presented in a fun and easy to read format. The information
alone was worth the price of the plans.
James Fuller
This doesn't answer your question, but IMHO the best thing you can do is buy
Carnell's boat plans. Even if you don't intend to build it studying the
plans is very informative. The best thing is that Carnell includes what
amounts to a basic boat building course with his plans. There is about 30
pages of information including sources, fiberglass and epoxy information,
tools, etc., presented in a fun and easy to read format. The information
alone was worth the price of the plans.
James Fuller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blake Sartin" <bsartin@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 10:48 AM
Subject: [bolger] Teal Opinions?
> Hello group-
>
> I am a new member, I've been poking around on the internet for the past
few
> weeks looking for the exact boat to build. I've looked at Stevenson,
> Bolger, and Carnell's boats.
>
> I originally chose the Stevenson 3-in-1, but after receiving the plans I
am
> not that impressed with the design as it seems fussier than it should be
and
> heavier due to all of the topside finishing. It also incorporates a CB
box
> that I am not thrilled about.
>
> After finding this group I began to consider some of Bolger/Payson's plans
> and decided on the Elegant Punt, but now I am thinking that maybe this
boat
> is just a bit too small. Therefore, I am considering building the Teal
> instead, as the costs seem to be about the same. Also, I like the lines a
> lot more and it will fit well on the roof of my VW Camper at 12'. I also
> think that the double-pointed shape looks really nice, although I'm a
little
> concerned about stability.
>
> Has anyone had any real-world experience with either building or sailing
> this vessel? And could you share your experiences?
>
> I appreciate the help.
>
> Blake
> Knoxville, TN
>
>
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