Re: Klondike
Oh, there was a screen credit for the boatbuilders, one might have
been for canoes or something.
been for canoes or something.
I saw it tonight. It was either the last show, or they are heavily
into retrospection. There were many shots of different stages of the
journey. And a couple of times this boat made up of wide planks made
an appearance. It all happened so fast, it was hard to form a
picture of it. There appeared to be a tranverse beam. though it may
have been oars.
I am sure folks loved the idea of not having to carry packs any more.
into retrospection. There were many shots of different stages of the
journey. And a couple of times this boat made up of wide planks made
an appearance. It all happened so fast, it was hard to form a
picture of it. There appeared to be a tranverse beam. though it may
have been oars.
I am sure folks loved the idea of not having to carry packs any more.
Which is more important in a trailable power boat that
will be single handed most of the time, weight or
length? I am most concerned with launching/retrieving.
After reading the above I'm not sure that it makes sense!
Just what are the factors that make for an easy to handle
by one planing power boat?
hal
will be single handed most of the time, weight or
length? I am most concerned with launching/retrieving.
After reading the above I'm not sure that it makes sense!
Just what are the factors that make for an easy to handle
by one planing power boat?
hal
Most of it is covered in Fritz Funk's (of Sneakeasy fame) web site. Because
of his web site and the fact that most of the local unorganized Juneau
amateur batbuilders were on the web site we got an email from Frantic Films
in late May last year asking if we were interested in building a replica of a
Klondike boat like those built in and around Lake Bennet in the Rush of
97-99. There were actually over 7,000 boats built and registered with the
Mounties.
They were instant boats because they were slapped together in a hurry by
people with varying skills for one trip, Bennet to Dawson, 2-6 weeks
construction time.
Ours was an instant boat because of delivery deadline. The very green wet
rough cut wood arrived from a local mill on 6 June, we put the boat on a
trailer the night of 27 June for delivery.
The boat looks as much like the originals as we could get, using pictures as
guides.
We are still unorganized but were not amateurs anymore.
HJ
of his web site and the fact that most of the local unorganized Juneau
amateur batbuilders were on the web site we got an email from Frantic Films
in late May last year asking if we were interested in building a replica of a
Klondike boat like those built in and around Lake Bennet in the Rush of
97-99. There were actually over 7,000 boats built and registered with the
Mounties.
They were instant boats because they were slapped together in a hurry by
people with varying skills for one trip, Bennet to Dawson, 2-6 weeks
construction time.
Ours was an instant boat because of delivery deadline. The very green wet
rough cut wood arrived from a local mill on 6 June, we put the boat on a
trailer the night of 27 June for delivery.
The boat looks as much like the originals as we could get, using pictures as
guides.
We are still unorganized but were not amateurs anymore.
HJ
> Here's a link to the shows website, no photots of the boat though.
>
>http://www.historytelevision.ca/questKlondike/
>
> Why an instant boat, was anyone from the group inviloved? Tell us
> more.
>
> Bruce Hector
> Waiting for the first top coat of epoxy to dry on the bottom of his
> Seagull. Seams filled and taped yesterday.
>
>
> What type of auxiliary power does the i-60 carry and what type ofThe auxiliary lives in a floodable well in the amidships section,
> mounting will be necessary for folding and unfolding. It seems that
> the motor needed would be a handful and I don't know how well the
> ride upside down. Unless the front and back sections are carried
> upright when trailering
on the port side. It remains upright when the bow and stern are
folded on top.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Here's a link to the shows website, no photots of the boat though.
http://www.historytelevision.ca/questKlondike/
Why an instant boat, was anyone from the group inviloved? Tell us
more.
Bruce Hector
Waiting for the first top coat of epoxy to dry on the bottom of his
Seagull. Seams filled and taped yesterday.
http://www.historytelevision.ca/questKlondike/
Why an instant boat, was anyone from the group inviloved? Tell us
more.
Bruce Hector
Waiting for the first top coat of epoxy to dry on the bottom of his
Seagull. Seams filled and taped yesterday.
>I'm still intrigued by the I-60. Who wants a tiny little 33' boatMy thought exactly! If you're not paying by the foot for storage,
>when one could have a 60-footer?
length is the cheapest way to get a bigger boat. The lexan and keel
are not cheap, but they are a *relatively* inexpensive way to get a
fast, safe boat with a large cabin that's filled with light and air.
Think Big!
>So how do you go about folding and unfolding the fore and aftThe fore and aft sections are described as "light weight fairings" in
>sections? Just two people, one with the unfolding rope and one with
>the keep-it-from-slamming-down rope?
the MAIB write up. The forward section only needs to stand up to the
torque of the jib, and the aft section only needs to stand up torque
of the rudder. All other forces are anchored to the center section.
To facilitate easy folding they need to be light, I wouldn't be
surprised if they're spec'd at 1/2" for the bottom and 1/4" for the
side panels.
I haven't read the MAIB article in a while, but I think there's some
mention of a 12v hydraulic jack. Whether that was for the keel, the
folding, all, or none I don't remember. My schooner weighs about
500lbs bare-hulled, not a bad guess for the ends might weigh. That
seems a little much for man-handling.
I'm hoping to see something soon! I'd be working on bits and pieces
today if I had the drawings. Maybe with a little barn raising style
boat building this list could help me get her launched later this
year!
YIBB,
David
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Office (212) 247-0296
Well the boat parts are over then. Thanks for the schedule. All we know is
they were really, really glad to see the boat after coming over the pass. One
of our members with a lot of time on the Yukon predicted they would set up
camp in the boat rather than on shore every night, and rumour has it that
they set up the wood stove in the boat, and cooked under way. Considering
their diet of beans, bread and bacon, the combination of emitted gasses and
wood smoke probably helped to keep even the famous Yukon mosquitoes at bay.
For those who missed the postings last summer, Instant boatbuilding turn of
the century (1900 not 2000) style at Fritz's page
http://209.193.28.16/Boats/Klondike/Klondike.htm
HJ
they were really, really glad to see the boat after coming over the pass. One
of our members with a lot of time on the Yukon predicted they would set up
camp in the boat rather than on shore every night, and rumour has it that
they set up the wood stove in the boat, and cooked under way. Considering
their diet of beans, bread and bacon, the combination of emitted gasses and
wood smoke probably helped to keep even the famous Yukon mosquitoes at bay.
For those who missed the postings last summer, Instant boatbuilding turn of
the century (1900 not 2000) style at Fritz's page
http://209.193.28.16/Boats/Klondike/Klondike.htm
HJ
> I didn't realize this was your epic. i haven't been watching it, but
> it is on:
>
> Sat 2/22/2003 7:00AM 54 HIST
> Sun 2/23/2003 8:00PM 54 HIST
> Sun 2/23/2003 11:00PM 54 HIST
> Mon 2/24/2003 2:00AM 54 HIST
> Wed 2/26/2003 9:00PM 54 HIST
> Thu 2/27/2003 12:00AM 54 HIST
> Sat 3/1/2003 7:00AM 54 HIST
> Sat 3/1/2003 11:00PM 54 HIST
> Sun 3/2/2003 2:00AM 54 HIST
>
>
>
> Current episode:
>
> "The Team Reaches Dawson City, 72 days into the journey and starving."
>
> The broad overview:
>
> The Chilkoot Trail remains one of the most difficult treks in the
> world, through its remarkable landscape is now protected by both
> United States and Canadian National Parks. Each team member must make
> 10 trips back and forth between each cache in order to transport all
> their goods. The first 20 kilometres of the Trail is comprised of
> small inclines and well-defined trails through coastal rainforest,
> but after Sheep Camp, the trail changes to treeless alpine terrain
> and assumes a 35º angle. The team must climb more than 300 metres in
> just over a kilometre.
>
> Upon crossing the Chilkoot Pass, which is also the entry into Canada,
> the stampeders travel another 24 kilometres of trail to reach Lake
> Bennett and the head of the Yukon River. The team has carried a
> knockdown boat with them on the trail, and it is assembled at the
> shores of Bennett. They also acquire a second vessel, a hand built
> wooden scow, which helps to carry the team and their goods to Dawson.
>
> The 800-kilometre journey down the Yukon waterways begins with a
> number of lakes, including Lake Labarge, made famous in Robert
> Service's well known poem, The Cremation of Sam McGee. They continue
> down the Yukon River past a number of Yukon towns, past and present,
> and historic sites. Finally, they arrive at the colorful and historic
> town of Dawson City, the heart of the Klondike gold rush.
>
> Our participants experience the life of a prospector when they reach
> Dawson City. Then they head out to the historic fields, panning for
> gold and using a rocker box in Last Chance creek. After completing
> the actual journey of the original gold rush stampeders, the team
> brings a new appreciation and perspective to the many historical
> sites preserved in and around this unique and beautiful town.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> > To Canadian Bolgeristas
> >
I'm still intrigued by the I-60. Who wants a tiny little 33' boat
when one could have a 60-footer?
So how do you go about folding and unfolding the fore and aft
sections? Just two people, one with the unfolding rope and one with
the keep-it-from-slamming-down rope?
All best,
Garth
when one could have a 60-footer?
So how do you go about folding and unfolding the fore and aft
sections? Just two people, one with the unfolding rope and one with
the keep-it-from-slamming-down rope?
All best,
Garth
> What type of auxiliary power does the i-60 carry and what type ofWhen folded the fore and aft sections travel through 180 degrees and
>mounting will be necessary for folding and unfolding. It seems that
>the motor needed would be a handful and I don't know how well the
>ride upside down. Unless the front and back sections are carried
>upright when trailering
end up on top of the middle section. The motor is in the middle
section, and retracts for sailing and trailering. There will be some
sort of giant version of the Folding Schooner hinge to allow this.
As drawn in MAIB the I60 carries a 9.9, just enough to get her
around. Bob Wise told me he had the same thing on the LMII and never
wanted for more, so maybe that would be enough, even with the
conversation to a fast cruiser. I think the BDS had a 25 or a 40.
YIBB,
David
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415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
What type of auxiliary power does the i-60 carry and what type of
mounting will be necessary for folding and unfolding. It seems that
the motor needed would be a handful and I don't know how well the
ride upside down. Unless the front and back sections are carried
upright when trailering
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "futabachan <futabachan@y...>"
<futabachan@y...> wrote:
mounting will be necessary for folding and unfolding. It seems that
the motor needed would be a handful and I don't know how well the
ride upside down. Unless the front and back sections are carried
upright when trailering
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "futabachan <futabachan@y...>"
<futabachan@y...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:of
> >
> > >(Lately I've been dreaming in the direction of trailerable shoal-
> > >draft sharpie cruisers, and the I-60 is the majestic upper end
> > >the range.)robin
> >
> > Why don't you build one then you, Susan and I can have a round
> > set of match races! What a sight that would be!
>
> Yes, the I60 owners' association is always on the lookout for new
> members. Besides, all the cool people sail I60s.... :-)
>
> -- Sue --
> (who still owes David some scans)
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>
I am living just outside of Chiloquin on Klamath lake but my brother
in law lives about 30 miles from Umatilla very near the river. I have
other brothers in law living in Portland. So cruising the Columbia I
can make my wife happy with visiting. For those that haven't been to
eastern Oregon it is drier than the coastal areas of Oregon. Marine
growth won't have a chance going from fresh to salt water half of the
year.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "robby plunkett" <robbylplunkett@h...>
wrote:
in law lives about 30 miles from Umatilla very near the river. I have
other brothers in law living in Portland. So cruising the Columbia I
can make my wife happy with visiting. For those that haven't been to
eastern Oregon it is drier than the coastal areas of Oregon. Marine
growth won't have a chance going from fresh to salt water half of the
year.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "robby plunkett" <robbylplunkett@h...>
wrote:
> john,how far are you from umatilla? robbywith
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "John Cupp <caj@k...>" <caj@k...>
> >Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [bolger] Re: The ebb and flow of boat dreams
> >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:18:27 -0000
> >
> > I have been thinking about building a stretched Buehler Pilgrim
> >tabernacled masts and a hybrid drive system. The Columbia river islow
> >not too far from my home and docking fees in the summer are very
> >because it becomes the sailboard capitol of the world. Nobody canso
> >even fish in peace anymore with the monorams ripping up the water
> >slip space is availible at lower cost.down
> >
> > I can escape on a September night using power and sail to slip
> >to the Sea of Cortez and have a wonderful winter. The WesternMexico
> >coast is a very inexpensive getaway with outstanding fishing. Butof
> >those things are the stuff of dreams. No one is wrong in dreaming
> >what they think is perfect. So I salute all the perfect dreamsround
> >offered now knowing that in this group I seem normal.
> >
> > John
> >
> >--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Kongslie" <ken@k...> wrote:
> > > Dont overlook that beautiful and to me "all the answers in one"
> >Sitka
> > > Explorer!
> > > MAIB 8/1/02
> > > ken
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > >From: "GarthAB <garth@b...>" <garth@b...>
> > > >To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [bolger] The ebb and flow of boat dreams
> > > >Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2003, 3:01 PM
> > > >
> > >
> > > >> Why don't you build one then you, Susan and I can have a
> > > > robinboth
> > > >> set of match races! What a sight that would be!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, in early January I was dead set on starting a Buehler
> >schooner -
> > > > - either the 53-foot Barbarosa or the 64-foot Dragonfly --
> > > > displacing 50,000+ lbs. and drawing 6' or 6'6". It would be a4-
> >or 5-while
> > > > year project at least, but I was burning for it.
> > > > Then I started thinking that my family would much prefer
> > > > gunkholing, not being on board for days and weeks at a time
> > > > blue-water cruising. It was a lot to ask them to indulge me inbuild,
> >such a
> > > > colossal work project (while I still haven't built that garden
> >shed)
> > > > all for a boat that the wife and kids might not necessarily
> >embrace.
> > > > Maybe the trans-Atlantic Buehler dream could wait a while.
> > > > So I immediately scaled down -- looking for a quicker
> >aCaprice?
> > > > lighter boat. Maybe 21' Welsford Penguin? A 25' Michalak
> >27'horses
> > > > Glen-L Chessie Flyer? 32' Ted Brewer Mystic Sharpie? Maybe a
> >Bolger
> > > > 25' lapstrake Chebacco (long the apple of my eye) or an AS-29?
> > > > Something trailerable, but big enough to serve as a sort
> > > > of "mobile beach house" -- a way to get to the ocean for a
> >weekend or
> > > > a week's vacation without the hassle and expense of hotels.
> > > > Then I dusted off my copy of Parker's "Sharpie Book" and
> > > > thought . . . hmmm . . . 32' North Carolina Sharpie? 35' New
> >Haven
> > > > Sharpie?!! Still trailerable -- and what gorgeous (and fast)
> >boats!
> > > >
> > > > Now here's the I-60 . . .
> > > >
> > > > Oh dear me. Back up to a 60-footer already.
> > > >
> > > > What madness!
> > > >
> > > > Garth
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bolger rules!!!
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
members. Besides, all the cool people sail I60s.... :-)
-- Sue --
(who still owes David some scans)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>Yes, the I60 owners' association is always on the lookout for new
> >(Lately I've been dreaming in the direction of trailerable shoal-
> >draft sharpie cruisers, and the I-60 is the majestic upper end of
> >the range.)
>
> Why don't you build one then you, Susan and I can have a round robin
> set of match races! What a sight that would be!
members. Besides, all the cool people sail I60s.... :-)
-- Sue --
(who still owes David some scans)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
I didn't realize this was your epic. i haven't been watching it, but
it is on:
Sat 2/22/2003 7:00AM 54 HIST
Sun 2/23/2003 8:00PM 54 HIST
Sun 2/23/2003 11:00PM 54 HIST
Mon 2/24/2003 2:00AM 54 HIST
Wed 2/26/2003 9:00PM 54 HIST
Thu 2/27/2003 12:00AM 54 HIST
Sat 3/1/2003 7:00AM 54 HIST
Sat 3/1/2003 11:00PM 54 HIST
Sun 3/2/2003 2:00AM 54 HIST
Current episode:
"The Team Reaches Dawson City, 72 days into the journey and starving."
The broad overview:
The Chilkoot Trail remains one of the most difficult treks in the
world, through its remarkable landscape is now protected by both
United States and Canadian National Parks. Each team member must make
10 trips back and forth between each cache in order to transport all
their goods. The first 20 kilometres of the Trail is comprised of
small inclines and well-defined trails through coastal rainforest,
but after Sheep Camp, the trail changes to treeless alpine terrain
and assumes a 35º angle. The team must climb more than 300 metres in
just over a kilometre.
Upon crossing the Chilkoot Pass, which is also the entry into Canada,
the stampeders travel another 24 kilometres of trail to reach Lake
Bennett and the head of the Yukon River. The team has carried a
knockdown boat with them on the trail, and it is assembled at the
shores of Bennett. They also acquire a second vessel, a hand built
wooden scow, which helps to carry the team and their goods to Dawson.
The 800-kilometre journey down the Yukon waterways begins with a
number of lakes, including Lake Labarge, made famous in Robert
Service's well known poem, The Cremation of Sam McGee. They continue
down the Yukon River past a number of Yukon towns, past and present,
and historic sites. Finally, they arrive at the colorful and historic
town of Dawson City, the heart of the Klondike gold rush.
Our participants experience the life of a prospector when they reach
Dawson City. Then they head out to the historic fields, panning for
gold and using a rocker box in Last Chance creek. After completing
the actual journey of the original gold rush stampeders, the team
brings a new appreciation and perspective to the many historical
sites preserved in and around this unique and beautiful town.
it is on:
Sat 2/22/2003 7:00AM 54 HIST
Sun 2/23/2003 8:00PM 54 HIST
Sun 2/23/2003 11:00PM 54 HIST
Mon 2/24/2003 2:00AM 54 HIST
Wed 2/26/2003 9:00PM 54 HIST
Thu 2/27/2003 12:00AM 54 HIST
Sat 3/1/2003 7:00AM 54 HIST
Sat 3/1/2003 11:00PM 54 HIST
Sun 3/2/2003 2:00AM 54 HIST
Current episode:
"The Team Reaches Dawson City, 72 days into the journey and starving."
The broad overview:
The Chilkoot Trail remains one of the most difficult treks in the
world, through its remarkable landscape is now protected by both
United States and Canadian National Parks. Each team member must make
10 trips back and forth between each cache in order to transport all
their goods. The first 20 kilometres of the Trail is comprised of
small inclines and well-defined trails through coastal rainforest,
but after Sheep Camp, the trail changes to treeless alpine terrain
and assumes a 35º angle. The team must climb more than 300 metres in
just over a kilometre.
Upon crossing the Chilkoot Pass, which is also the entry into Canada,
the stampeders travel another 24 kilometres of trail to reach Lake
Bennett and the head of the Yukon River. The team has carried a
knockdown boat with them on the trail, and it is assembled at the
shores of Bennett. They also acquire a second vessel, a hand built
wooden scow, which helps to carry the team and their goods to Dawson.
The 800-kilometre journey down the Yukon waterways begins with a
number of lakes, including Lake Labarge, made famous in Robert
Service's well known poem, The Cremation of Sam McGee. They continue
down the Yukon River past a number of Yukon towns, past and present,
and historic sites. Finally, they arrive at the colorful and historic
town of Dawson City, the heart of the Klondike gold rush.
Our participants experience the life of a prospector when they reach
Dawson City. Then they head out to the historic fields, panning for
gold and using a rocker box in Last Chance creek. After completing
the actual journey of the original gold rush stampeders, the team
brings a new appreciation and perspective to the many historical
sites preserved in and around this unique and beautiful town.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> To Canadian Bolgeristas
>
> Supposedly Frantic Film's "Klondike the Quest for gold" featuring
our Instant
> Klondike boat started showing on History Television this month.
Check it out
> if you get a chance, and if you do we are really interested in how
it looks.
> Eventually it will show up on our History cannel I presume, until
then we
> are like a bunch of parents unable to watch our child star in the
school
> play.
>
> HJ
To Canadian Bolgeristas
Supposedly Frantic Film's "Klondike the Quest for gold" featuring our Instant
Klondike boat started showing on History Television this month. Check it out
if you get a chance, and if you do we are really interested in how it looks.
Eventually it will show up on our History cannel I presume, until then we
are like a bunch of parents unable to watch our child star in the school
play.
HJ
Supposedly Frantic Film's "Klondike the Quest for gold" featuring our Instant
Klondike boat started showing on History Television this month. Check it out
if you get a chance, and if you do we are really interested in how it looks.
Eventually it will show up on our History cannel I presume, until then we
are like a bunch of parents unable to watch our child star in the school
play.
HJ
> We tried pre-installing the frames on Sue's boat. I*nod* In particular, the forward one isn't really a good candidate
> wasn't thrilled with the way that turned out, so I just did the
> middle frame on my first boat.
for pre-installation; the hull is too round at that point. If I
were making another, I think I'd just stick with the center one, as
David did.
We've had a little break in the weather recently, but unfortunately
it didn't last for the weekend, or I'd have spent this weekend
finally getting around to repairing my fiberglass disaster and
working toward getting my boat ready for when the snow melts....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
john,how far are you from umatilla? robby
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>From: "John Cupp <caj@...>" <caj@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: The ebb and flow of boat dreams
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:18:27 -0000
>
> I have been thinking about building a stretched Buehler Pilgrim with
>tabernacled masts and a hybrid drive system. The Columbia river is
>not too far from my home and docking fees in the summer are very low
>because it becomes the sailboard capitol of the world. Nobody can
>even fish in peace anymore with the monorams ripping up the water so
>slip space is availible at lower cost.
>
> I can escape on a September night using power and sail to slip down
>to the Sea of Cortez and have a wonderful winter. The Western Mexico
>coast is a very inexpensive getaway with outstanding fishing. But
>those things are the stuff of dreams. No one is wrong in dreaming of
>what they think is perfect. So I salute all the perfect dreams
>offered now knowing that in this group I seem normal.
>
> John
>
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Kongslie" <ken@k...> wrote:
> > Dont overlook that beautiful and to me "all the answers in one"
>Sitka
> > Explorer!
> > MAIB 8/1/02
> > ken
> >
> > ----------
> > >From: "GarthAB <garth@b...>" <garth@b...>
> > >To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [bolger] The ebb and flow of boat dreams
> > >Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2003, 3:01 PM
> > >
> >
> > >> Why don't you build one then you, Susan and I can have a round
> > > robin
> > >> set of match races! What a sight that would be!
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, in early January I was dead set on starting a Buehler
>schooner -
> > > - either the 53-foot Barbarosa or the 64-foot Dragonfly -- both
> > > displacing 50,000+ lbs. and drawing 6' or 6'6". It would be a 4-
>or 5-
> > > year project at least, but I was burning for it.
> > > Then I started thinking that my family would much prefer
> > > gunkholing, not being on board for days and weeks at a time while
> > > blue-water cruising. It was a lot to ask them to indulge me in
>such a
> > > colossal work project (while I still haven't built that garden
>shed)
> > > all for a boat that the wife and kids might not necessarily
>embrace.
> > > Maybe the trans-Atlantic Buehler dream could wait a while.
> > > So I immediately scaled down -- looking for a quicker build,
>a
> > > lighter boat. Maybe 21' Welsford Penguin? A 25' Michalak Caprice?
>27'
> > > Glen-L Chessie Flyer? 32' Ted Brewer Mystic Sharpie? Maybe a
>Bolger
> > > 25' lapstrake Chebacco (long the apple of my eye) or an AS-29?
> > > Something trailerable, but big enough to serve as a sort
> > > of "mobile beach house" -- a way to get to the ocean for a
>weekend or
> > > a week's vacation without the hassle and expense of hotels.
> > > Then I dusted off my copy of Parker's "Sharpie Book" and
> > > thought . . . hmmm . . . 32' North Carolina Sharpie? 35' New
>Haven
> > > Sharpie?!! Still trailerable -- and what gorgeous (and fast)
>boats!
> > >
> > > Now here's the I-60 . . .
> > >
> > > Oh dear me. Back up to a 60-footer already.
> > >
> > > What madness!
> > >
> > > Garth
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
>posts
> > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and
><snip> away
> > > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
>Gloucester, MA,
> > > 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> > >
> > >
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Bill, as one who perenially dreams of building one of Parker's
sharpies, you are getting my own "boat dreams" flowing. Please post
pictures! I am quite interested in your progress.
Dennis
sharpies, you are getting my own "boat dreams" flowing. Please post
pictures! I am quite interested in your progress.
Dennis
>We (the non organized Juneau boatbuilders, "were not amateurs anymore") haveSue and I set up a ladder on my patio (uneven broken concrete) and
>started a Light Dory for Mary Ann, we might build a couple of others because
>the patterns and molds will be already done. Will probably build a ladder
>frame because the pieces are here and the shop floor is not very level, and
>is concrete to boot.
then used block and shims to level it.
>We plan on using 3/4 in chip board moldsUsed chipboard, but it's nasty stuff. If I were doing it again I'd
use MDF to get nice clean edge for the side-panels to lay fair on.
>I am thinking that we should go with the side patterns, cut exactly toYou easily get all of the molds out of 2 pieces of plywood. We didn't
>measurement, and only use 3 molds, the center one and the front and back one
>to hold the stem and transom.
use Payson's layout, opting to use the squareness of the panel help
layout our molds. We tried pre-installing the frames on Sue's boat. I
wasn't thrilled with the way that turned out, so I just did the
middle frame on my first boat. One my second I didn't do any. I'll
fit them after it's turned.
>If we were to go with all the molds, then I would be inclined to cut a littleThe bottom lays so fair we just glued and weighted the bottom. I went
>big on the sides, at least on the chine and plane it down to fit.
ultra light with only a small fillet on the inside, but I think
that's too fragile. The next one will have some glass tape as well.
>What did you do and how did it all work out?If you're read my posts from last Summer, you know I love the boat.
Easy to build, easy and fast to row. A great boat for chasing fluke,
blues and stripers. The only thing I'd change is building her a
little heavier (mine is substantially lighter than Bolger's specs.)
>Does that sheer look as good in real life and do you get comments on theThe boat is beautiful. Everywhere the boat goes I get compliments.
>beach about the looks?
I've got some photos at:
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Hi all,
Yes, build a sharpie.
Im building a modified Ruel Parker Ohio sharpie. Its at the stage
where all the large flat parts are cut out, butt-spliced, and
pre-coated. If you like, I can send you the lines. It is done in
CadKey, but the lines will import into AutoCad.
Its 20 feet long, with a 7/8 thick bottom, 3/8 sides and decks. It
will have rotating masts; the sails have a 24 wide luff pocket.
There are two bilge boards, and two rudders. The rudders are linked to
a common tiller, and can be offset toward each other to provide a sea
brake, while still allowing steering great for a downwind dock
landing. The bilge boards totally clear out the middle of the boat for
camping.
The boards and rudders are angled 15 degrees outward at the bottom, to
be more vertical when sailing. The boards are angled 3 degrees to
weather to reduce hull leeway and drag (like a lake scow). The boards
are moved up and down by separate cranks that can be linked, or operated
separately. The boards kick up, with adjustable drag. The rudders kick
up; they are pulled up or down by endless loop, held down by adjustable
friction.
The masts step into the partners from the forward cockpit, locked by
Teflon bearing gates. The sails are loose-footed and hoist and reef
normally. The masts are round up to the past partners, oval above that.
The boom goosenecks have a reversing offset to rotate the masts to the
apparent wind direction.
Ill post photos as it becomes 3D.
Bill
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From: GarthAB <garth@...>
[mailto:garth@...]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:01 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] The ebb and flow of boat dreams
- either the 53-foot Barbarosa or the 64-foot Dragonfly -- both
displacing 50,000+ lbs. and drawing 6' or 6'6". It would be a 4- or 5-
year project at least, but I was burning for it.
Then I started thinking that my family would much prefer
gunkholing, not being on board for days and weeks at a time while
blue-water cruising. It was a lot to ask them to indulge me in such a
colossal work project (while I still haven't built that garden shed)
all for a boat that the wife and kids might not necessarily embrace.
Maybe the trans-Atlantic Buehler dream could wait a while.
So I immediately scaled down -- looking for a quicker build, a
lighter boat. Maybe 21' Welsford Penguin? A 25' Michalak Caprice? 27'
Glen-L Chessie Flyer? 32' Ted Brewer Mystic Sharpie? Maybe a Bolger
25' lapstrake Chebacco (long the apple of my eye) or an AS-29?
Something trailerable, but big enough to serve as a sort
of "mobile beach house" -- a way to get to the ocean for a weekend or
a week's vacation without the hassle and expense of hotels.
Then I dusted off my copy of Parker's "Sharpie Book" and
thought . . . hmmm . . . 32' North Carolina Sharpie? 35' New Haven
Sharpie?!! Still trailerable -- and what gorgeous (and fast) boats!
Now here's the I-60 . . .
Oh dear me. Back up to a 60-footer already.
What madness!
Garth
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Yes, build a sharpie.
Im building a modified Ruel Parker Ohio sharpie. Its at the stage
where all the large flat parts are cut out, butt-spliced, and
pre-coated. If you like, I can send you the lines. It is done in
CadKey, but the lines will import into AutoCad.
Its 20 feet long, with a 7/8 thick bottom, 3/8 sides and decks. It
will have rotating masts; the sails have a 24 wide luff pocket.
There are two bilge boards, and two rudders. The rudders are linked to
a common tiller, and can be offset toward each other to provide a sea
brake, while still allowing steering great for a downwind dock
landing. The bilge boards totally clear out the middle of the boat for
camping.
The boards and rudders are angled 15 degrees outward at the bottom, to
be more vertical when sailing. The boards are angled 3 degrees to
weather to reduce hull leeway and drag (like a lake scow). The boards
are moved up and down by separate cranks that can be linked, or operated
separately. The boards kick up, with adjustable drag. The rudders kick
up; they are pulled up or down by endless loop, held down by adjustable
friction.
The masts step into the partners from the forward cockpit, locked by
Teflon bearing gates. The sails are loose-footed and hoist and reef
normally. The masts are round up to the past partners, oval above that.
The boom goosenecks have a reversing offset to rotate the masts to the
apparent wind direction.
Ill post photos as it becomes 3D.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: GarthAB <garth@...>
[mailto:garth@...]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:01 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] The ebb and flow of boat dreams
> Why don't you build one then you, Susan and I can have a roundrobin
> set of match races! What a sight that would be!Well, in early January I was dead set on starting a Buehler schooner -
- either the 53-foot Barbarosa or the 64-foot Dragonfly -- both
displacing 50,000+ lbs. and drawing 6' or 6'6". It would be a 4- or 5-
year project at least, but I was burning for it.
Then I started thinking that my family would much prefer
gunkholing, not being on board for days and weeks at a time while
blue-water cruising. It was a lot to ask them to indulge me in such a
colossal work project (while I still haven't built that garden shed)
all for a boat that the wife and kids might not necessarily embrace.
Maybe the trans-Atlantic Buehler dream could wait a while.
So I immediately scaled down -- looking for a quicker build, a
lighter boat. Maybe 21' Welsford Penguin? A 25' Michalak Caprice? 27'
Glen-L Chessie Flyer? 32' Ted Brewer Mystic Sharpie? Maybe a Bolger
25' lapstrake Chebacco (long the apple of my eye) or an AS-29?
Something trailerable, but big enough to serve as a sort
of "mobile beach house" -- a way to get to the ocean for a weekend or
a week's vacation without the hassle and expense of hotels.
Then I dusted off my copy of Parker's "Sharpie Book" and
thought . . . hmmm . . . 32' North Carolina Sharpie? 35' New Haven
Sharpie?!! Still trailerable -- and what gorgeous (and fast) boats!
Now here's the I-60 . . .
Oh dear me. Back up to a 60-footer already.
What madness!
Garth
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Yo David Ryan
We (the non organized Juneau boatbuilders, "were not amateurs anymore") have
started a Light Dory for Mary Ann, we might build a couple of others because
the patterns and molds will be already done. Will probably build a ladder
frame because the pieces are here and the shop floor is not very level, and
is concrete to boot.
With your experience of last summer could you comment on the following
We plan on using 3/4 in chip board molds
I am thinking that we should go with the side patterns, cut exactly to
measurement, and only use 3 molds, the center one and the front and back one
to hold the stem and transom.
If we go for more forms, than 2 more, the ones that have the seat supports
If we were to go with all the molds, then I would be inclined to cut a little
big on the sides, at least on the chine and plane it down to fit.
What did you do and how did it all work out?
Does that sheer look as good in real life and do you get comments on the
beach about the looks?
HJ
We (the non organized Juneau boatbuilders, "were not amateurs anymore") have
started a Light Dory for Mary Ann, we might build a couple of others because
the patterns and molds will be already done. Will probably build a ladder
frame because the pieces are here and the shop floor is not very level, and
is concrete to boot.
With your experience of last summer could you comment on the following
We plan on using 3/4 in chip board molds
I am thinking that we should go with the side patterns, cut exactly to
measurement, and only use 3 molds, the center one and the front and back one
to hold the stem and transom.
If we go for more forms, than 2 more, the ones that have the seat supports
If we were to go with all the molds, then I would be inclined to cut a little
big on the sides, at least on the chine and plane it down to fit.
What did you do and how did it all work out?
Does that sheer look as good in real life and do you get comments on the
beach about the looks?
HJ
>I seem to have missed out on some details of the I-60. Does thisYou got it baby! The masts fold along a Birdwatcher style centerline
>thing fold so as to be road legal?
slot, and forward 25% of her length and the aft 25% of her length
fold up jackknife style, resulting in a 30'x10'x8', 5 ton,
trailerable "advanced sporting vehicle capable of doing 65mph"
(Bolger's phrase)
Initially the only real appeal of that part is the ability to put the
boat away for the Winter cheap. (Put it on a trailer, drag the
trailer to some lot up island, go get it in the Spring.) But the more
I think about it, the more I like the idea of hooking the thing up
and heading off at 9PM. By late the next morning we could be putting
her in the water in Bar Harbor or Hatteras!
YIBB,
David
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I have been thinking about building a stretched Buehler Pilgrim with
tabernacled masts and a hybrid drive system. The Columbia river is
not too far from my home and docking fees in the summer are very low
because it becomes the sailboard capitol of the world. Nobody can
even fish in peace anymore with the monorams ripping up the water so
slip space is availible at lower cost.
I can escape on a September night using power and sail to slip down
to the Sea of Cortez and have a wonderful winter. The Western Mexico
coast is a very inexpensive getaway with outstanding fishing. But
those things are the stuff of dreams. No one is wrong in dreaming of
what they think is perfect. So I salute all the perfect dreams
offered now knowing that in this group I seem normal.
John
tabernacled masts and a hybrid drive system. The Columbia river is
not too far from my home and docking fees in the summer are very low
because it becomes the sailboard capitol of the world. Nobody can
even fish in peace anymore with the monorams ripping up the water so
slip space is availible at lower cost.
I can escape on a September night using power and sail to slip down
to the Sea of Cortez and have a wonderful winter. The Western Mexico
coast is a very inexpensive getaway with outstanding fishing. But
those things are the stuff of dreams. No one is wrong in dreaming of
what they think is perfect. So I salute all the perfect dreams
offered now knowing that in this group I seem normal.
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Kongslie" <ken@k...> wrote:
> Dont overlook that beautiful and to me "all the answers in one"
Sitka
> Explorer!
> MAIB 8/1/02
> ken
>
> ----------
> >From: "GarthAB <garth@b...>" <garth@b...>
> >To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [bolger] The ebb and flow of boat dreams
> >Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2003, 3:01 PM
> >
>
> >> Why don't you build one then you, Susan and I can have a round
> > robin
> >> set of match races! What a sight that would be!
> >
> >
> > Well, in early January I was dead set on starting a Buehler
schooner -
> > - either the 53-foot Barbarosa or the 64-foot Dragonfly -- both
> > displacing 50,000+ lbs. and drawing 6' or 6'6". It would be a 4-
or 5-
> > year project at least, but I was burning for it.
> > Then I started thinking that my family would much prefer
> > gunkholing, not being on board for days and weeks at a time while
> > blue-water cruising. It was a lot to ask them to indulge me in
such a
> > colossal work project (while I still haven't built that garden
shed)
> > all for a boat that the wife and kids might not necessarily
embrace.
> > Maybe the trans-Atlantic Buehler dream could wait a while.
> > So I immediately scaled down -- looking for a quicker build,
a
> > lighter boat. Maybe 21' Welsford Penguin? A 25' Michalak Caprice?
27'
> > Glen-L Chessie Flyer? 32' Ted Brewer Mystic Sharpie? Maybe a
Bolger
> > 25' lapstrake Chebacco (long the apple of my eye) or an AS-29?
> > Something trailerable, but big enough to serve as a sort
> > of "mobile beach house" -- a way to get to the ocean for a
weekend or
> > a week's vacation without the hassle and expense of hotels.
> > Then I dusted off my copy of Parker's "Sharpie Book" and
> > thought . . . hmmm . . . 32' North Carolina Sharpie? 35' New
Haven
> > Sharpie?!! Still trailerable -- and what gorgeous (and fast)
boats!
> >
> > Now here's the I-60 . . .
> >
> > Oh dear me. Back up to a 60-footer already.
> >
> > What madness!
> >
> > Garth
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
posts
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and
<snip> away
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
Gloucester, MA,
> > 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
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> >
> >
> >
I seem to have missed out on some details of the I-60. Does this thing fold so as to be road legal?
Doug
Doug
Dont overlook that beautiful and to me "all the answers in one" Sitka
Explorer!
MAIB 8/1/02
ken
----------
Explorer!
MAIB 8/1/02
ken
----------
>From: "GarthAB <garth@...>" <garth@...>
>To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] The ebb and flow of boat dreams
>Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2003, 3:01 PM
>
>> Why don't you build one then you, Susan and I can have a round
> robin
>> set of match races! What a sight that would be!
>
>
> Well, in early January I was dead set on starting a Buehler schooner -
> - either the 53-foot Barbarosa or the 64-foot Dragonfly -- both
> displacing 50,000+ lbs. and drawing 6' or 6'6". It would be a 4- or 5-
> year project at least, but I was burning for it.
> Then I started thinking that my family would much prefer
> gunkholing, not being on board for days and weeks at a time while
> blue-water cruising. It was a lot to ask them to indulge me in such a
> colossal work project (while I still haven't built that garden shed)
> all for a boat that the wife and kids might not necessarily embrace.
> Maybe the trans-Atlantic Buehler dream could wait a while.
> So I immediately scaled down -- looking for a quicker build, a
> lighter boat. Maybe 21' Welsford Penguin? A 25' Michalak Caprice? 27'
> Glen-L Chessie Flyer? 32' Ted Brewer Mystic Sharpie? Maybe a Bolger
> 25' lapstrake Chebacco (long the apple of my eye) or an AS-29?
> Something trailerable, but big enough to serve as a sort
> of "mobile beach house" -- a way to get to the ocean for a weekend or
> a week's vacation without the hassle and expense of hotels.
> Then I dusted off my copy of Parker's "Sharpie Book" and
> thought . . . hmmm . . . 32' North Carolina Sharpie? 35' New Haven
> Sharpie?!! Still trailerable -- and what gorgeous (and fast) boats!
>
> Now here's the I-60 . . .
>
> Oh dear me. Back up to a 60-footer already.
>
> What madness!
>
> Garth
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart <pvanderw@o...>" <snip>
Buehler calls it the 'Little Big Boat'. He has a few really svelte
designs, like the dragonfly 50/64 and etc. He really goes into detail
about it in his book.. numbers and everything.
In fact, in Buehler's book, he refers to a "4 1/2 foot couple" in what
he called a 'Big Little Boat' that he thought were silly. They had a
beamy, short boat with no headroom and went around espousing the
virtues of little boats. I think he was referring to Lin and Larry
Pardey ;)
--T
> In the roundest of numbers, the America's Cup boats cost 1000 timesI couldn't agree more, Peter. It's a Bolger and a Buehler idea..
> what my boat cost ($10,000,000:$10,000), and they sail twice as fast
> (12kts:6kts). That seems to be past the point of diminishing returns
> to me.
>
> It is a very Bolger idea to note that a long, low-tech boat can be
> faster than a short, high-tech boat.
Buehler calls it the 'Little Big Boat'. He has a few really svelte
designs, like the dragonfly 50/64 and etc. He really goes into detail
about it in his book.. numbers and everything.
In fact, in Buehler's book, he refers to a "4 1/2 foot couple" in what
he called a 'Big Little Boat' that he thought were silly. They had a
beamy, short boat with no headroom and went around espousing the
virtues of little boats. I think he was referring to Lin and Larry
Pardey ;)
--T
> ...and without millions of dollars wasted.In the roundest of numbers, the America's Cup boats cost 1000 times
> 12 knots; might that be competitive
> in the America's Cup? [Of course not]
what my boat cost ($10,000,000:$10,000), and they sail twice as fast
(12kts:6kts). That seems to be past the point of diminishing returns
to me.
It is a very Bolger idea to note that a long, low-tech boat can be
faster than a short, high-tech boat.
Peter
>Now here's the I-60 . . .Garth,
>
>Oh dear me. Back up to a 60-footer already.
Your evolution nearly mirrors mine. I too thought about the
Dragonfly, as well as a LMII, Keel Sharpie 55, and all the other
usual suspects. But the more I thought about what I'd actually be
most likely using the boat for, the more a coastal cruiser seemed to
fit the bill. It was down to a Wyo or a BDS, but I was having
doubled folding schooner fantasies. Then I saw the cartoon for the
I60.
A big part of the appeal of the I60 is the majesty. Length, speed,
lots of sails and strings. But it also has some practical advantages:
1) The project naturally breaks down into doable sections. The bow
and the stern are more or less 15' skiffs. They can be put together
quickly by a shorthanded crew and stored easily. The spars are not
inordinately long, they too can be built and then stowed. The center
hull is really just a pumped up Jochem's Schooner. Not a small
undertaking, but proven to be within the reach of a stubborn and
steady builder, and it only needs a 34' building space.
2) The boat can be moored for free in the Summer and taken out of
service relatively easily for the Winter. Out here, where slips cost
$300/foot for the season and Winter storage is just as dear, that's a
real consideration. Even if you could build a Dragonfly for free, the
cost of keeping it here would break you. An LMII or Wyo would do fine
over the Summer, but Winter storage could be costly.
3) Ridiculous as it might be, the trailerablity offers some fun
possibilities. Bolger Messaboat on Lake Champlain? We'll see you
there in our I60. Not enough time to do the big trip around the
Canadian Maritimes? Let's just drag the thing to PEI and enjoy August
there. 50 knots on an interstate opens up all sorts of cruising
grounds on a shortened timetable.
YIBB,
David
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> Why don't you build one then you, Susan and I can have a roundrobin
> set of match races! What a sight that would be!Well, in early January I was dead set on starting a Buehler schooner -
- either the 53-foot Barbarosa or the 64-foot Dragonfly -- both
displacing 50,000+ lbs. and drawing 6' or 6'6". It would be a 4- or 5-
year project at least, but I was burning for it.
Then I started thinking that my family would much prefer
gunkholing, not being on board for days and weeks at a time while
blue-water cruising. It was a lot to ask them to indulge me in such a
colossal work project (while I still haven't built that garden shed)
all for a boat that the wife and kids might not necessarily embrace.
Maybe the trans-Atlantic Buehler dream could wait a while.
So I immediately scaled down -- looking for a quicker build, a
lighter boat. Maybe 21' Welsford Penguin? A 25' Michalak Caprice? 27'
Glen-L Chessie Flyer? 32' Ted Brewer Mystic Sharpie? Maybe a Bolger
25' lapstrake Chebacco (long the apple of my eye) or an AS-29?
Something trailerable, but big enough to serve as a sort
of "mobile beach house" -- a way to get to the ocean for a weekend or
a week's vacation without the hassle and expense of hotels.
Then I dusted off my copy of Parker's "Sharpie Book" and
thought . . . hmmm . . . 32' North Carolina Sharpie? 35' New Haven
Sharpie?!! Still trailerable -- and what gorgeous (and fast) boats!
Now here's the I-60 . . .
Oh dear me. Back up to a 60-footer already.
What madness!
Garth
--- David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
12 knots; might that be competitive
in the America's Cup? [Of course not]
But I *am* curious how the I60 might
fare in a 'big boys' sailboat race.
> ...It would be like the America's Cup without all...and without millions of dollars wasted.
> those tiresome sponsors' logos...
12 knots; might that be competitive
in the America's Cup? [Of course not]
But I *am* curious how the I60 might
fare in a 'big boys' sailboat race.
I will be there. It's been on our agenda since our phone conversation a
year ago.
Jeff
year ago.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Insolent 60 question
> >> Why don't you build one then you, Susan and I can have a round robin
> >> set of match races! What a sight that would be!
> >>
> >Can I use my Wyo as chase / rescue boat. I could move ahead and handle
the
> >photo finishes!
>
> Hopefully no rescues would be needed!
>
> But can you imaging the pictures you'd get with two (or three!) I60s
> racing head to head! It would be like the America's Cup without all
> those tiresome sponsors' logos plastered over everything.
>
> Watching your progress on the Wyo has been really encouraging. It
> looks like she's going together more or less as planned, both in
> terms of effort and budget. I can't tell you how much I'm looking
> forward to standing on the jetty at Montauk Harbor and watching you
> glide in!
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
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>
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>> Why don't you build one then you, Susan and I can have a round robinHopefully no rescues would be needed!
>> set of match races! What a sight that would be!
>>
>Can I use my Wyo as chase / rescue boat. I could move ahead and handle the
>photo finishes!
But can you imaging the pictures you'd get with two (or three!) I60s
racing head to head! It would be like the America's Cup without all
those tiresome sponsors' logos plastered over everything.
Watching your progress on the Wyo has been really encouraging. It
looks like she's going together more or less as planned, both in
terms of effort and budget. I can't tell you how much I'm looking
forward to standing on the jetty at Montauk Harbor and watching you
glide in!
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
> Why don't you build one then you, Susan and I can have a round robinCan I use my Wyo as chase / rescue boat. I could move ahead and handle the
> set of match races! What a sight that would be!
>
photo finishes!
LOL
Jeff
>I may have missed it in the first go-round, but what is the draft ofThe initial cartoon appeared in a MAIB from about a year ago. You can
>the I-60? What is her trailer weight and displacement?
see the sail plan cartoon at:
http://www.crumblingempire.com/insolent
In that iteration she was 6' at the chine, 7+ feet with the keel
down, and around about 10,000 lbs on the trailer (including the 3,000
lbs lead wing at the bottom of the keel.)
I am expecting the final version will be slightly beamier, slightly
shallower draft, and maybe a bit heavier (more interior cabinetry.)
She's supposed to be towable by a "civilian vehicle", putting a cap
on the total weight of boat and trailer of about 6 tons. I'm looking
forward to seeing drawing soon.
>(Lately I've been dreaming in the direction of trailerable shoal-Why don't you build one then you, Susan and I can have a round robin
>draft sharpie cruisers, and the I-60 is the majestic upper end of the
>range.)
set of match races! What a sight that would be!
YIBB,
David
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Hi David --
I may have missed it in the first go-round, but what is the draft of
the I-60? What is her trailer weight and displacement?
(Lately I've been dreaming in the direction of trailerable shoal-
draft sharpie cruisers, and the I-60 is the majestic upper end of the
range.)
All best,
Garth
I may have missed it in the first go-round, but what is the draft of
the I-60? What is her trailer weight and displacement?
(Lately I've been dreaming in the direction of trailerable shoal-
draft sharpie cruisers, and the I-60 is the majestic upper end of the
range.)
All best,
Garth
The biggest hold up were the emergency cold-weather modifications for
the LMII currently underway in Quebec (see the article in MAIB.)
Another factor is the half-sized version of the retractable keel on a
boat that was launched sometime last Fall. Some changes were
suggested by the performance of that version, and I hope the I60's
final design shows some benefit for being second.
I've exchanged a couple of short notes with PCB&F. The design has
changed somewhat from the cartoon in MAIB, partly in response to my
and Susan's vacation cruiser wants, partly because new solutions were
found to nagging problems, and partly because that was just a cartoon
and now it's turning into a real, buildable boat.
As much as wanted share my excitement, I've held back from posting
these exchanges to the group. Both my wife and I do made-to-order
creative work. I can't imagine having the process my clients and I go
through exposed to the public, and I can't imagine they feel any
different in Gloucester.
I will say this; everything I've heard so far has me more excited
than ever. Hearing Bob Wise talk about the LMII (even taken with a
healthy shake of salt) would make even the most skeptical excited
about the buildablity of a big Bolger box. Just hearing his list of
what they carried with them on their passage from the Azores to
St.Thomas will make you a believer in PCB's command of designing
interior spaces. When I cross that with what I've seen of the
Jochem's Schooner, and with PCB&F's description of the I60 interior,
we very well may be on our way to constructing the nicest living room
on the East End. Comfortable lounging for 6+ and 360 degree water
views, plus for and aft patios. Don't forget she'll do 12+ knots on
the water, and 50+ knots on the highway!
YIBB,
David
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
the LMII currently underway in Quebec (see the article in MAIB.)
Another factor is the half-sized version of the retractable keel on a
boat that was launched sometime last Fall. Some changes were
suggested by the performance of that version, and I hope the I60's
final design shows some benefit for being second.
I've exchanged a couple of short notes with PCB&F. The design has
changed somewhat from the cartoon in MAIB, partly in response to my
and Susan's vacation cruiser wants, partly because new solutions were
found to nagging problems, and partly because that was just a cartoon
and now it's turning into a real, buildable boat.
As much as wanted share my excitement, I've held back from posting
these exchanges to the group. Both my wife and I do made-to-order
creative work. I can't imagine having the process my clients and I go
through exposed to the public, and I can't imagine they feel any
different in Gloucester.
I will say this; everything I've heard so far has me more excited
than ever. Hearing Bob Wise talk about the LMII (even taken with a
healthy shake of salt) would make even the most skeptical excited
about the buildablity of a big Bolger box. Just hearing his list of
what they carried with them on their passage from the Azores to
St.Thomas will make you a believer in PCB's command of designing
interior spaces. When I cross that with what I've seen of the
Jochem's Schooner, and with PCB&F's description of the I60 interior,
we very well may be on our way to constructing the nicest living room
on the East End. Comfortable lounging for 6+ and 360 degree water
views, plus for and aft patios. Don't forget she'll do 12+ knots on
the water, and 50+ knots on the highway!
YIBB,
David
>Any new word on the I60?--
>
>--- David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>
>> ...the I60 comes to pass.
>>
>> YIBB,
>>
>> David
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
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>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
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>MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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Any new word on the I60?
--- David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
--- David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> ...the I60 comes to pass.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "soussouchew <vachew@v...>"
<vachew@v...> wrote:
No,that is just the way some french canadian collegues choose to
pronounce/tease me with,as in "la banana"......long, risky, off-
topic, story there! ;-)
Lenihan,in the "old country",I believe pre-dates O'Lenihan and
perhaps even the 4leaf clover!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,preparing to head out to the boat to inspect the winter
cover after a night of howling,door shuddering,west winds,along the
shores of the St.Lawrence.............
<vachew@v...> wrote:
> Peter, I know that Pierre = Peter, but what's with the newcountry"?
> surname -- or is that the way they spelled it in the "old
>Vince,
> Vince Chew
No,that is just the way some french canadian collegues choose to
pronounce/tease me with,as in "la banana"......long, risky, off-
topic, story there! ;-)
Lenihan,in the "old country",I believe pre-dates O'Lenihan and
perhaps even the 4leaf clover!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,preparing to head out to the boat to inspect the winter
cover after a night of howling,door shuddering,west winds,along the
shores of the St.Lawrence.............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan"
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
surname -- or is that the way they spelled it in the "old country"?
Vince Chew
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> Anyhow,never too late to practice one of the romancelanguages!!
> Salut mon amie!!Peter, I know that Pierre = Peter, but what's with the new
> Pierre Lebanan,sur le bord du fleuve St.Laurent............
>
surname -- or is that the way they spelled it in the "old country"?
Vince Chew
Bonjour David,
This boat is being built about 45 miles outside Montreal and at
the rate Jean and Gabrielle are going you may have to take your I-60
over the pond to catch up to them :-)
Perhaps next summer would be a good time to organize a road
trip up this way and drop by to see progress on WINDERMERE,check in
on Paul Simard(of this group) who is very keen on building a
CHAMPLAIN and may start one next summer, and then wrap it up with
Jean and Gaby.Depending on when you come North,you may even be able
to assist in their launching ceremonies....!
Both Jean and Gabrielle paid a visit a few years ago on board
Lestat before their project started and I crossed paths(very
briefly!) with Jean this past summer while picking up some fiberglass
at a mutual suppliers shop.In fact,I think Jean bought most of his
material through this guy who runs a high tech custom catamaran shop
in Chateauguay and offers us amateurs pretty good deals/rates on
supplies.
Anyhow,never too late to practice one of the romance languages!!
Salut mon amie!!
Pierre Lebanan,sur le bord du fleuve St.Laurent............
- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
This boat is being built about 45 miles outside Montreal and at
the rate Jean and Gabrielle are going you may have to take your I-60
over the pond to catch up to them :-)
Perhaps next summer would be a good time to organize a road
trip up this way and drop by to see progress on WINDERMERE,check in
on Paul Simard(of this group) who is very keen on building a
CHAMPLAIN and may start one next summer, and then wrap it up with
Jean and Gaby.Depending on when you come North,you may even be able
to assist in their launching ceremonies....!
Both Jean and Gabrielle paid a visit a few years ago on board
Lestat before their project started and I crossed paths(very
briefly!) with Jean this past summer while picking up some fiberglass
at a mutual suppliers shop.In fact,I think Jean bought most of his
material through this guy who runs a high tech custom catamaran shop
in Chateauguay and offers us amateurs pretty good deals/rates on
supplies.
Anyhow,never too late to practice one of the romance languages!!
Salut mon amie!!
Pierre Lebanan,sur le bord du fleuve St.Laurent............
- In bolger@y..., David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>this
> My copy of MAIB hasn't arrived yet, but I've been keeping an eye on
> this boat via their website. I haven't been able to glean where
> boat is being built, but it looks like French-speaking maritime
> Canada. If so we may someday pay them a visit when/if our
> "circumnavigation" in the I60 comes to pass.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
> --
>
> C.E.P.
> 415 W.46th Street
> New York, New York 10036
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
> Mobile (646) 325-8325
> Office (212) 247-0296
>David and Susan,My copy of MAIB hasn't arrived yet, but I've been keeping an eye on
>
>If you are wondering what might have held up your Insolent 60
>drawings, you might take a look at the latest MAIB. There is a new
>variant on Loose Moose II, qualifying her for the North Atlantic.
>She's got a while new look, as well as full insulation, a false nose,
>pilot house.... All conjoured up in a rush.
this boat via their website. I haven't been able to glean where this
boat is being built, but it looks like French-speaking maritime
Canada. If so we may someday pay them a visit when/if our
"circumnavigation" in the I60 comes to pass.
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
Hear is a translation engine to translate the French page to English.
John
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
John
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
--- In bolger@y..., "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> I'm such a lazy bum that I have let my subscription lapse
with
> MAIB and I am wondering if the variant looks something like this:
>
>http://cf.geocities.com/lecabotin/
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,much appreciative of your help........
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> > David and Susan,
> >
> > If you are wondering what might have held up your Insolent 60
> > drawings, you might take a look at the latest MAIB. There is a
new
> > variant on Loose Moose II, qualifying her for the North Atlantic.
> > She's got a while new look, as well as full insulation, a false
> nose,
> > pilot house.... All conjoured up in a rush.
> >
> > Peter
> I am wondering if the variant looks something like this:That's the one, along with the first of a two-part,
>http://cf.geocities.com/lecabotin/
elaborate "explication de bateau."
Hi Peter,
I'm such a lazy bum that I have let my subscription lapse with
MAIB and I am wondering if the variant looks something like this:
http://cf.geocities.com/lecabotin/
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,much appreciative of your help........
I'm such a lazy bum that I have let my subscription lapse with
MAIB and I am wondering if the variant looks something like this:
http://cf.geocities.com/lecabotin/
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,much appreciative of your help........
--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> David and Susan,
>
> If you are wondering what might have held up your Insolent 60
> drawings, you might take a look at the latest MAIB. There is a new
> variant on Loose Moose II, qualifying her for the North Atlantic.
> She's got a while new look, as well as full insulation, a false
nose,
> pilot house.... All conjoured up in a rush.
>
> Peter
David and Susan,
If you are wondering what might have held up your Insolent 60
drawings, you might take a look at the latest MAIB. There is a new
variant on Loose Moose II, qualifying her for the North Atlantic.
She's got a while new look, as well as full insulation, a false nose,
pilot house.... All conjoured up in a rush.
Peter
If you are wondering what might have held up your Insolent 60
drawings, you might take a look at the latest MAIB. There is a new
variant on Loose Moose II, qualifying her for the North Atlantic.
She's got a while new look, as well as full insulation, a false nose,
pilot house.... All conjoured up in a rush.
Peter