Re: Anyone read Robb White's article about plywood in the latest MAIB?
All this controversy over plywood? Badmouthing the source? Deciding
he's not worth reading? Perhaps we're a little too invested in
plywood here.
RW doesn't like plywood and he has a lot of good reasons. There is
end grain in every cut. You can't plane the face. The face grain is
wild. The outer plys do check. It is difficult to repair.
So where's the beef? To me the overriding advantage of plywood as a
boat building material is the ease of construction it affords for us
amateurs, especially in designs such as Bolger's that are meant to be
built with the stuff. Robb White states he doesn't like it, fine. But
I don't think that in saying so he is attacking the moral character
of anyone who does like it.
I don't build boats to sell them, and I don't consider them
investments. I build my boats for fun, and I enjoy using them too. So
I have used plywood and I will continue to use plywood, just as I
will continue to enjoy RW's articles.
John O'Neill
he's not worth reading? Perhaps we're a little too invested in
plywood here.
RW doesn't like plywood and he has a lot of good reasons. There is
end grain in every cut. You can't plane the face. The face grain is
wild. The outer plys do check. It is difficult to repair.
So where's the beef? To me the overriding advantage of plywood as a
boat building material is the ease of construction it affords for us
amateurs, especially in designs such as Bolger's that are meant to be
built with the stuff. Robb White states he doesn't like it, fine. But
I don't think that in saying so he is attacking the moral character
of anyone who does like it.
I don't build boats to sell them, and I don't consider them
investments. I build my boats for fun, and I enjoy using them too. So
I have used plywood and I will continue to use plywood, just as I
will continue to enjoy RW's articles.
John O'Neill
> come back one day when the ply gets too terrible and someone has aAt best that is a value judgement anyway. I don't mean to suggest
> bright idea about construction. I'm not sure it's better for the
> environment, though.
>
> Peter
its all relative or something, just you could have a bunch of answers
depending on what's the issue of the day, say Kyoto targets vs
biodiversity.
My point on the enviro side is that if you had to pay for your
plywood, and the fully costed destruction of coldwater fisheries (or
whatever), the point would now be long gone when Junk ply was priced
at the same BFT levels as the cheapest lumber when: It uses often
better quality inputs, and consumes more manufacturing, etc...
> I will still read my MAIB from cover to cover butI, too, save Robb White's column for last, same
> Robbs will
> probably be read last now and considered with a
> jaundiced eye.
>
as I save my pie for the end of the meal. RW, like
his sister Bailey, is a humorist of high talent, in my
opinion. I haven't yet received the current MAIB, but
RW has shown jovial contempt for plywood in the past,
along with jon boats, tourists, yuppies, republicans,
democrats, etc., etc., etc. I have no doubt he is
"serious" in his disdain for plywood (he used to build
boats professionally out of the stuff), but if you
read the stories by RW in MAIB for a while you begin
to realize that RW is writing about a character, "Robb
White", of his own creation. This character is what
we call in Delaware a progger--a self-reliant
countryman--and an irrasible, opinionated, reactionary
curmudgeon of the first order. RW writes too well not
to be making fun of himself along with everything
else. This is self-caricature of the most enjoyable
kind, in my opinion, and I think should be read in
that light. Sam
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The opinion of one man has caused a giant stir on this forum.
examples of ply, ferro, and other sorts of construction from the
fifties are still here today and looking very well I might add. The
old phrase one mans meat is another mans poison comes to mind at this
point. No matter how we try some people still can only be happy when
they are miserable.
"Messing About In Boats" brings on a euphoric sense and I wait wide
eyed for each and every issue now as if addicted to what will be
revealed this time. I see no great controversy in Robbs article, from
what others have said about his past writings an implied prejudice
has already been apparent. above all no super intellect is seems
present in his written argument. He reveals only problems rank
amateurs get into when dealing with Plywood without help.
I will still read my MAIB from cover to cover but Robbs will
probably be read last now and considered with a jaundiced eye.
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart <pvanderw@o...>"
<pvanderw@o...> wrote:
examples of ply, ferro, and other sorts of construction from the
fifties are still here today and looking very well I might add. The
old phrase one mans meat is another mans poison comes to mind at this
point. No matter how we try some people still can only be happy when
they are miserable.
"Messing About In Boats" brings on a euphoric sense and I wait wide
eyed for each and every issue now as if addicted to what will be
revealed this time. I see no great controversy in Robbs article, from
what others have said about his past writings an implied prejudice
has already been apparent. above all no super intellect is seems
present in his written argument. He reveals only problems rank
amateurs get into when dealing with Plywood without help.
I will still read my MAIB from cover to cover but Robbs will
probably be read last now and considered with a jaundiced eye.
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart <pvanderw@o...>"
<pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> > Hmmm, just what are the raw materials for epoxy et al, and whatsilicon,
> > are the manufacturing costs to the environment?
>
> So far as I know, the base feedstocks for epoxy are petrochemical,
> i.e. crude pumped from the ground. Fiberglass must be mostly
> one of the most widely available elements, but manufacture probablyin
> uses a lot of heat.
>
> A few years ago, there was a big movement against foam coffee cups
> favor of paper cups, supposedly on environmental grounds. I don'tand
> think the arguement survives careful scrutiny however, given the
> difference in weight (resources by the pound, trash by the pound)
> the sorry environmental record of the paper industry.
>
> Peter
> Hmmm, just what are the raw materials for epoxy et al, and whatSo far as I know, the base feedstocks for epoxy are petrochemical,
> are the manufacturing costs to the environment?
i.e. crude pumped from the ground. Fiberglass must be mostly silicon,
one of the most widely available elements, but manufacture probably
uses a lot of heat.
A few years ago, there was a big movement against foam coffee cups in
favor of paper cups, supposedly on environmental grounds. I don't
think the arguement survives careful scrutiny however, given the
difference in weight (resources by the pound, trash by the pound) and
the sorry environmental record of the paper industry.
Peter
On Friday, December 13, 2002, at 06:58 PM, pvanderwaart
<pvanderw@...> wrote:
are the manufacturing costs to the environment?
hal
<pvanderw@...> wrote:
>> Ply is onlyHmmm, just what are the raw materials for epoxy et al, and what
>> cheap now at some considerable environmental cost...
>
> It seems to be that there was more interest in one-off, amateur
> boatbuilding using fiberglass technologies back 20 or 30 years ago.
> With the advent of epoxy and S&G techniques, it ebbed. I expect it to
> come back one day when the ply gets too terrible and someone has a
> bright idea about construction. I'm not sure it's better for the
> environment, though.
are the manufacturing costs to the environment?
hal
I believe that Robb's sister is Bailey White who writes humerous
articles for the Atlanta Constitution and has also collected them
into a couple of books. I keep them both near the throne where they
make entertaining reading. In one of her stories, she describes how
her mother prepares road kill for the evening meal. Perhaps Robb
had an overdose of that.
I consider Robb's writing to be at about the same level of
usefulness as Bailey's. Granted that he has considerable skills at
his craft, I think his articles should be used more for
entertainment than advice. And, as was said earlier, it takes him
so long to get around to a point that it is hard to hold
concentration as he wanders from one anecdote to another.
The only problem I have with such stuff is that many readers are not
knowlegeable enough to separate the useful material from the BS and
ill-informed pontificating that all but obscures it.
As for the latest diatribe against plywood, the only harm is if it
keeps people from ever attempting to build a boat. People who have
actually built boats from plywood are aware of the negatives of the
material and, fortunately, are also aware of the many virtues that
make it the most suitable material for the average backyard builder
to use. Some of his comments are just plain stupid.
Contrary to his assertions, a couple of my "plywood uglies" have won
blue ribbons in boat shows. Although I do think his article warrants
a rebutal, I hope someone else does it since I am tired of the
senseless argument.
articles for the Atlanta Constitution and has also collected them
into a couple of books. I keep them both near the throne where they
make entertaining reading. In one of her stories, she describes how
her mother prepares road kill for the evening meal. Perhaps Robb
had an overdose of that.
I consider Robb's writing to be at about the same level of
usefulness as Bailey's. Granted that he has considerable skills at
his craft, I think his articles should be used more for
entertainment than advice. And, as was said earlier, it takes him
so long to get around to a point that it is hard to hold
concentration as he wanders from one anecdote to another.
The only problem I have with such stuff is that many readers are not
knowlegeable enough to separate the useful material from the BS and
ill-informed pontificating that all but obscures it.
As for the latest diatribe against plywood, the only harm is if it
keeps people from ever attempting to build a boat. People who have
actually built boats from plywood are aware of the negatives of the
material and, fortunately, are also aware of the many virtues that
make it the most suitable material for the average backyard builder
to use. Some of his comments are just plain stupid.
Contrary to his assertions, a couple of my "plywood uglies" have won
blue ribbons in boat shows. Although I do think his article warrants
a rebutal, I hope someone else does it since I am tired of the
senseless argument.
Exactly. As part of his business, he's arranged to provide himself
with beautiful thin slices of tulip poplar or whatever the heck it is
that he uses,
He does use yellow poplar (tulip poplar) and it is available to the rest of us at reasonable prices from most any lumber supplier, but...
Why use a wood that isn't particularly decay resistant or notably strong? It holds fasteners well and stains and paints nice , but...
Robb has settled on "his" way and has convinced himself that we don't know what we are doing. I think the rest of know the truth; any boat we build will be better than any boat he builds ,because I get to use mine and say I built it. Don't matter if it's ply, AL, iron, or snake skin covered. By the way the skin of the coppercobrarattlemoccasin makes great kayak coverings. Take that you "Flat Earthians"!!!
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with beautiful thin slices of tulip poplar or whatever the heck it is
that he uses,
He does use yellow poplar (tulip poplar) and it is available to the rest of us at reasonable prices from most any lumber supplier, but...
Why use a wood that isn't particularly decay resistant or notably strong? It holds fasteners well and stains and paints nice , but...
Robb has settled on "his" way and has convinced himself that we don't know what we are doing. I think the rest of know the truth; any boat we build will be better than any boat he builds ,because I get to use mine and say I built it. Don't matter if it's ply, AL, iron, or snake skin covered. By the way the skin of the coppercobrarattlemoccasin makes great kayak coverings. Take that you "Flat Earthians"!!!
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> Sure he was serious. My point is that the "best" material is notrelavant.
>Bolger rules!!!
> I build boats out of what I have available.
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> Ply is onlyIt seems to be that there was more interest in one-off, amateur
> cheap now at some considerable environmental cost...
boatbuilding using fiberglass technologies back 20 or 30 years ago.
With the advent of epoxy and S&G techniques, it ebbed. I expect it to
come back one day when the ply gets too terrible and someone has a
bright idea about construction. I'm not sure it's better for the
environment, though.
Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <jmbell@m...> wrote:
any serious cost to manufacture. The problem is lots of people can't
identify the difference, and then are large scale uses that call the
tune that don't care about the difference. There is no plywood
manufacturer on earth that is thinking of us shackboat builders when
it produces it's product.
> Robb's as serious as a heart attack. And even though I build andwill continue
> to build plywood boats, I have to agree with him. If you want a tolast for a
> long time, don't build out of plywood. Especially cheap plywood.It is just a mater of whether the ply has good glue, that doesn't add
>
any serious cost to manufacture. The problem is lots of people can't
identify the difference, and then are large scale uses that call the
tune that don't care about the difference. There is no plywood
manufacturer on earth that is thinking of us shackboat builders when
it produces it's product.
Well he certainly isn't to be taken seriously. The time is coming,
when wood isnt going to be a cost effective alternative. It is
already there for some kinds of boats. Several of my favorite
boatbuilding materials, 1/8" bending ply, noble veneer, and WRC
strips are barely hanging, really they aren't hanging on. Ply is only
cheap now at some considerable environmental cost, Which is to say it
isn't fully costed to the consumer. While I could care less myself,
it is just one more part of an equation that has left the station in
manyt parts of the world already.
when wood isnt going to be a cost effective alternative. It is
already there for some kinds of boats. Several of my favorite
boatbuilding materials, 1/8" bending ply, noble veneer, and WRC
strips are barely hanging, really they aren't hanging on. Ply is only
cheap now at some considerable environmental cost, Which is to say it
isn't fully costed to the consumer. While I could care less myself,
it is just one more part of an equation that has left the station in
manyt parts of the world already.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, John S Harper <jsharper@u...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> In a nutshell he says plywood is a horrible material to use in
> boatbuilding.
>
> Is he just trying to stir the pot or is he serious?
Exactly. As part of his business, he's arranged to provide himself
with beautiful thin slices of tulip poplar or whatever the heck it is
that he uses, but the stuff isn't available commercially. Unless I'm
able to buy it from him and willing to drive to Georgia to get it,
I've got to use something else.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...>
wrote:
with beautiful thin slices of tulip poplar or whatever the heck it is
that he uses, but the stuff isn't available commercially. Unless I'm
able to buy it from him and willing to drive to Georgia to get it,
I've got to use something else.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...>
wrote:
> Sure he was serious. My point is that the "best" material is notrelavant.
>
> I build boats out of what I have available.
On Friday, December 13, 2002, at 01:43 PM, sanmi <sanmi@...>
wrote:
he was speaking of plywood made of Southern Yellow
Pine specifically, not plywood generally.
Good memory or poor it is obvious that I don't have the skill
to build as he does, and I can't afford a boat he would build,
so I will continue with my plywood Teal and enjoy it without
worrying about how real boat builders do it.
Robb White does know how to write an entertaining article.
hal
wrote:
> His statement that plywood is worst goes hand-in-hand with hisIf I remember correctly, which is optimistic, it seems to me
> assertion that you should build a boat that looks good and will last
> a very long time. He also seems to leave his boats out in the
> weather (tropical climate too). My little sharpie is a trailer
> sailer and covered all of the time, either with a good tarp or under
> the garage, so my choice of building materials wasn't very
> important.
he was speaking of plywood made of Southern Yellow
Pine specifically, not plywood generally.
Good memory or poor it is obvious that I don't have the skill
to build as he does, and I can't afford a boat he would build,
so I will continue with my plywood Teal and enjoy it without
worrying about how real boat builders do it.
Robb White does know how to write an entertaining article.
hal
I read an article about Mr. White's building technique in an issue of
wooden boat a few years ago. He railed about the way other people use
timber ( believe his word was "immoral"), but offered no nothing but
praise for his own lavish use of epoxy, heating, air conditioning in
the construction of his boats.
'nough said
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wooden boat a few years ago. He railed about the way other people use
timber ( believe his word was "immoral"), but offered no nothing but
praise for his own lavish use of epoxy, heating, air conditioning in
the construction of his boats.
'nough said
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His statement that plywood is worst goes hand-in-hand with his
assertion that you should build a boat that looks good and will last
a very long time. He also seems to leave his boats out in the
weather (tropical climate too). My little sharpie is a trailer
sailer and covered all of the time, either with a good tarp or under
the garage, so my choice of building materials wasn't very
important.
I noticed that in the same issue, there was an article about a guy
who has been using the same plywood runabout since the 50's or 60's
(I think that's correct).
Frank
Wilmington, DE
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...>
wrote:
assertion that you should build a boat that looks good and will last
a very long time. He also seems to leave his boats out in the
weather (tropical climate too). My little sharpie is a trailer
sailer and covered all of the time, either with a good tarp or under
the garage, so my choice of building materials wasn't very
important.
I noticed that in the same issue, there was an article about a guy
who has been using the same plywood runabout since the 50's or 60's
(I think that's correct).
Frank
Wilmington, DE
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...>
wrote:
> Sure he was serious. My point is that the "best" material is notrelavant.
>them out
> I build boats out of what I have available.
>
> If I was a welder and had ready access to sheet aluminum, I'd build
> of aluminum.out of.
>
> If I worked with a chopper gun for a living I'd build them out of
> fiberglass.
>
> Plywood is readily available to us, so that is what we build boats
> If the only thing we had to build them out of was concrete, wewould all be
> ferro cement boatbuilders.faked by
>
> And, no, I haven't read the article! :-)
>
> And yes, the earth is flat, we never went to the moon, and 9/11 was
> the US government.people
> We really don't want to get into a discussion on what nonsense some
> believe, it could easily turn theological...plywood in
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John S Harper" <jsharper@u...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Anyone read Robb White's article about
> the latest MAIB?serious,
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > I was pretty sure he was serious but.....
> >
> > It's almost like saying the earth is flat. Are these guys
> >http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatHome.htmplywood in
> >
> > I'd rather be in an aging plywood boat (sheathed with epoxy and
> fiberglass)
> > than an aging carvel planked one.
> >
> >
> >
> > pvanderw on 12/13/2002 02:11:19 PM
> >
> > Please respond tobolger@yahoogroups.com
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> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
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> > the latest MAIB?all
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <jmbell@m...> wrote:
> > > Robb's as serious as a heart attack.
> >
> > I just wish he'd say what he means and not beat around the bush
> > the time. - Peterposts
> >
> >
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Sure he was serious. My point is that the "best" material is not relavant.
I build boats out of what I have available.
If I was a welder and had ready access to sheet aluminum, I'd build them out
of aluminum.
If I worked with a chopper gun for a living I'd build them out of
fiberglass.
Plywood is readily available to us, so that is what we build boats out of.
If the only thing we had to build them out of was concrete, we would all be
ferro cement boatbuilders.
And, no, I haven't read the article! :-)
And yes, the earth is flat, we never went to the moon, and 9/11 was faked by
the US government.
We really don't want to get into a discussion on what nonsense some people
believe, it could easily turn theological...
I build boats out of what I have available.
If I was a welder and had ready access to sheet aluminum, I'd build them out
of aluminum.
If I worked with a chopper gun for a living I'd build them out of
fiberglass.
Plywood is readily available to us, so that is what we build boats out of.
If the only thing we had to build them out of was concrete, we would all be
ferro cement boatbuilders.
And, no, I haven't read the article! :-)
And yes, the earth is flat, we never went to the moon, and 9/11 was faked by
the US government.
We really don't want to get into a discussion on what nonsense some people
believe, it could easily turn theological...
----- Original Message -----
From: "John S Harper" <jsharper@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Anyone read Robb White's article about plywood in
the latest MAIB?
>
>
>
>
>
> :-)
>
> I was pretty sure he was serious but.....
>
> It's almost like saying the earth is flat. Are these guys serious,
>http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatHome.htm
>
> I'd rather be in an aging plywood boat (sheathed with epoxy and
fiberglass)
> than an aging carvel planked one.
>
>
>
> pvanderw on 12/13/2002 02:11:19 PM
>
> Please respond tobolger@yahoogroups.com
>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> cc:
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Anyone read Robb White's article about plywood in
> the latest MAIB?
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <jmbell@m...> wrote:
> > Robb's as serious as a heart attack.
>
> I just wish he'd say what he means and not beat around the bush all
> the time. - Peter
>
>
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:-)
I was pretty sure he was serious but.....
It's almost like saying the earth is flat. Are these guys serious,
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatHome.htm
I'd rather be in an aging plywood boat (sheathed with epoxy and fiberglass)
than an aging carvel planked one.
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Subject: [bolger] Re: Anyone read Robb White's article about plywood in
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I was pretty sure he was serious but.....
It's almost like saying the earth is flat. Are these guys serious,
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatHome.htm
I'd rather be in an aging plywood boat (sheathed with epoxy and fiberglass)
than an aging carvel planked one.
pvanderw on 12/13/2002 02:11:19 PM
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <jmbell@m...> wrote:
> Robb's as serious as a heart attack.
I just wish he'd say what he means and not beat around the bush all
the time. - Peter
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <jmbell@m...> wrote:
the time. - Peter
> Robb's as serious as a heart attack.I just wish he'd say what he means and not beat around the bush all
the time. - Peter
Yep. Optimal material for boat building longevity is Titanium.
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Subject: Re: [bolger] Anyone read Robb White's article about plywood in the
latest MAIB?
> Robb's as serious as a heart attack. And even though I build and will
continue
> to build plywood boats, I have to agree with him. If you want a to last
for a
> long time, don't build out of plywood. Especially cheap plywood.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:31:59 -0500 John S Harper <jsharper@...>
wrote:
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a nutshell he says plywood is a horrible
> > material to use in
> > boatbuilding.
> >
> > Is he just trying to stir the pot or is he
> > serious?
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
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Robb's as serious as a heart attack. And even though I build and will continue
to build plywood boats, I have to agree with him. If you want a to last for a
long time, don't build out of plywood. Especially cheap plywood.
to build plywood boats, I have to agree with him. If you want a to last for a
long time, don't build out of plywood. Especially cheap plywood.
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:31:59 -0500 John S Harper <jsharper@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> In a nutshell he says plywood is a horrible
> material to use in
> boatbuilding.
>
> Is he just trying to stir the pot or is he
> serious?
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or
> flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no
> 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your
> posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O.
> Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978)
> 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:
>bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
>
>
In a nutshell he says plywood is a horrible material to use in
boatbuilding.
Is he just trying to stir the pot or is he serious?
boatbuilding.
Is he just trying to stir the pot or is he serious?