Re: Champlain building jig nessecery?
Hi Claus,
Perhaps you could trade some of your plans for a set of
CHAMPLAIN plans from someone in your postion,ie;plans rich but
boatless :-)
Indeed,a set of plans will answer many of your questions
regarding construction details.I am,however,surprised that no one on
this list who may have a set of CHAMPLAIN plans has not chimed in to
throw some light on your questions. I know that Paul Simard( of this
group) has a set of plans and hopes to build in the spring( I think)!
40 sheets sounds like is should do it for the CHAMPLAIN,unless
you make a lot of errors :-(
Regarding the jig;CHAMPLAIN is smaller then WINDERMERE
therefore will require a smaller jig.Nothing more then about 45 X 2"
X 4" X 8'.Also,I do not know if the box keel on the CHAMPLAIN is used
for storage(hollow) or floatation(filled with foam).On WINDERMERE,it
is used for batteries,lines and anchors etc and is built to tough.
Anyway,do not be discouraged!!! She is a beautiful boat and
will be great fun to use!!!Maybe you could build the BRICK dinghy,
which goes on her roof top, for a warm up practice before
CHAMPLAIN?!?!
Good Luck!
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "aquatronclaus <aquatronboat@h...>"
<aquatronboat@h...> wrote:
Perhaps you could trade some of your plans for a set of
CHAMPLAIN plans from someone in your postion,ie;plans rich but
boatless :-)
Indeed,a set of plans will answer many of your questions
regarding construction details.I am,however,surprised that no one on
this list who may have a set of CHAMPLAIN plans has not chimed in to
throw some light on your questions. I know that Paul Simard( of this
group) has a set of plans and hopes to build in the spring( I think)!
40 sheets sounds like is should do it for the CHAMPLAIN,unless
you make a lot of errors :-(
Regarding the jig;CHAMPLAIN is smaller then WINDERMERE
therefore will require a smaller jig.Nothing more then about 45 X 2"
X 4" X 8'.Also,I do not know if the box keel on the CHAMPLAIN is used
for storage(hollow) or floatation(filled with foam).On WINDERMERE,it
is used for batteries,lines and anchors etc and is built to tough.
Anyway,do not be discouraged!!! She is a beautiful boat and
will be great fun to use!!!Maybe you could build the BRICK dinghy,
which goes on her roof top, for a warm up practice before
CHAMPLAIN?!?!
Good Luck!
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "aquatronclaus <aquatronboat@h...>"
<aquatronboat@h...> wrote:
> Many Thanks for your support Peter!boxkeel
> I had hoped that I could force the plywood in place over the
> similar to the Micro Trawler, maybe it can be done in this way if Iarround
> use 1/4" laminated to the thikness the bottom needs? I am not
> pleased with that very big set up as you have done, maybe it has to
> be that way? I guess I need to order the plans so I can take a
> closer look. I have 15 set of different plans already, so why not
> one set more. I like the way the bottom is constructed on the
> Idaho,Dakota, and the ultimative Sharpie the Wyoming, but the Idaho
> has not the space I like and the Dakota is too big and of course
> they don´t have the beam and the box keel. I have calculated
> 40 sheets of ply, do you think it will do it? I am really looking
> foreward to see more to your Windermere, it seemed to be a grat
> project. Again many thanks for your support.
> > > Claus
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan <ellengaest@b...>"
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
I had hoped that I could force the plywood in place over the boxkeel
similar to the Micro Trawler, maybe it can be done in this way if I
use 1/4" laminated to the thikness the bottom needs? I am not
pleased with that very big set up as you have done, maybe it has to
be that way? I guess I need to order the plans so I can take a
closer look. I have 15 set of different plans already, so why not
one set more. I like the way the bottom is constructed on the
Idaho,Dakota, and the ultimative Sharpie the Wyoming, but the Idaho
has not the space I like and the Dakota is too big and of course
they don´t have the beam and the box keel. I have calculated arround
40 sheets of ply, do you think it will do it? I am really looking
foreward to see more to your Windermere, it seemed to be a grat
project. Again many thanks for your support.
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> Hello Claus,the
> There is not very much detailed information on the net about
> beautiful CHAMPLAIN.......only pictures and study plans.The mostjust
> detailed material I have seen,however,is the self published manual
> from Han Van Pelt which might serve as an excellent annex for the
> building plans/instructions.
> I have not seen the CHAMPLAIN plans,thus cannot comment on
> how Bolger recommends she be built/assembled.sheltered
> If by"small sea passages" you mean protected water or
> water,then the answer is yes.If open stretches are what isintended
> however,then I would say a reserved yes,just so long as you bebasic
> careful about the weather forcast.
> I am the builder of the WINDERMERE and my pictures show a
> building jig.Very,very easy to build and very important for thenot
> proper assembly of the WINDERMERE bottom and boxkeel.Again,I have
> seen the CHAMPLAIN building instructions so cannot comment aboutsize
> Bolgers recommendations.
> The hull and sides for WINDERMERE are cut out from a full
> pre-assembled panel measuring aproximately 8' X 32'.Onto thispanel
> is traced the profile(outline) of the sides as prescribed byBolger.I
> believe it is the same process for the CHAMPLAIN,ie; paneldimensions
> 8' X 24'.since
> I can appreciate your attraction to this beautiful design
> it offers so much space,capacity,comfort and economy in a tight(small)
> package.There is nothing really complicated about the building ofher
> but you must adhere to the plans from the designer.Whether or notyou
> possess the abilities/talents to actually build a CHAMPLAIN isor
> difficult to say.If you have successfully built other boats(larger
> smaller),then I would hope the CHAMPLAIN falls within yourtalents.If
> you have built other structures like houses,cabins etc,the sameup
> applies,in so much that wood working tools are not strange to you.
> Boat building,especially Beautiful Bolger Boxes,is not
> complicated.It simply is an orderly sequence of small steps,like a
> jig-saw puzzle.You start off with a finite number of parts and end
> with one cohessive whole.A process of ellimination,as it were.see
> Finally,25 sheets of 1/2" plywood sounds like the begining of
> something beautiful!!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,builder of easy jigs/strongbacks and WINDERMERE,from
> along the St.Lawrence............
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "aquatronclaus <aquatronboat@h...>"
> <aquatronboat@h...> wrote:
> , is
> > that boat capable to make small sea passages? The only thing I
> > is, that the windermere builder has build a very complicated jigbuild
> set
> > up, is that really nessecery? Is it not possible to built it the
> > Sharpie way, wher the bottom is laid and bend over the sides and
> > then attach the boxkeel on the bottom? Are they other ways to
> > that boat, if you don´t like to do the complicated jig setup? Issheets
> the
> > cabin sides plywood, or lumber like on the Idaho? How many
> ofI
> > ply do I need for building this design, I have already 25 sheets
> for
> > the Idaho 31, but I hope to use them for the Champlain instead.
> > hope this design not is too complicated for me, I am sure that Iam
> > able to built the Idaho after I have read the plans andMany Thanks for your support Peter!
> descriptions
> > over and over again, I don´t hope the Champlain is more
> complicated,
> > just some more works and materials I guess.
I had hoped that I could force the plywood in place over the boxkeel
similar to the Micro Trawler, maybe it can be done in this way if I
use 1/4" laminated to the thikness the bottom needs? I am not
pleased with that very big set up as you have done, maybe it has to
be that way? I guess I need to order the plans so I can take a
closer look. I have 15 set of different plans already, so why not
one set more. I like the way the bottom is constructed on the
Idaho,Dakota, and the ultimative Sharpie the Wyoming, but the Idaho
has not the space I like and the Dakota is too big and of course
they don´t have the beam and the box keel. I have calculated arround
40 sheets of ply, do you think it will do it? I am really looking
foreward to see more to your Windermere, it seemed to be a grat
project. Again many thanks for your support.
> > Claus
Hello Claus,
There is not very much detailed information on the net about the
beautiful CHAMPLAIN.......only pictures and study plans.The most
detailed material I have seen,however,is the self published manual
from Han Van Pelt which might serve as an excellent annex for the
building plans/instructions.
I have not seen the CHAMPLAIN plans,thus cannot comment on just
how Bolger recommends she be built/assembled.
If by"small sea passages" you mean protected water or sheltered
water,then the answer is yes.If open stretches are what is intended
however,then I would say a reserved yes,just so long as you be
careful about the weather forcast.
I am the builder of the WINDERMERE and my pictures show a basic
building jig.Very,very easy to build and very important for the
proper assembly of the WINDERMERE bottom and boxkeel.Again,I have not
seen the CHAMPLAIN building instructions so cannot comment about
Bolgers recommendations.
The hull and sides for WINDERMERE are cut out from a full size
pre-assembled panel measuring aproximately 8' X 32'.Onto this panel
is traced the profile(outline) of the sides as prescribed by Bolger.I
believe it is the same process for the CHAMPLAIN,ie; panel dimensions
8' X 24'.
I can appreciate your attraction to this beautiful design since
it offers so much space,capacity,comfort and economy in a tight(small)
package.There is nothing really complicated about the building of her
but you must adhere to the plans from the designer.Whether or not you
possess the abilities/talents to actually build a CHAMPLAIN is
difficult to say.If you have successfully built other boats(larger or
smaller),then I would hope the CHAMPLAIN falls within your talents.If
you have built other structures like houses,cabins etc,the same
applies,in so much that wood working tools are not strange to you.
Boat building,especially Beautiful Bolger Boxes,is not
complicated.It simply is an orderly sequence of small steps,like a
jig-saw puzzle.You start off with a finite number of parts and end up
with one cohessive whole.A process of ellimination,as it were.
Finally,25 sheets of 1/2" plywood sounds like the begining of
something beautiful!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,builder of easy jigs/strongbacks and WINDERMERE,from
along the St.Lawrence............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "aquatronclaus <aquatronboat@h...>"
<aquatronboat@h...> wrote:
, is
There is not very much detailed information on the net about the
beautiful CHAMPLAIN.......only pictures and study plans.The most
detailed material I have seen,however,is the self published manual
from Han Van Pelt which might serve as an excellent annex for the
building plans/instructions.
I have not seen the CHAMPLAIN plans,thus cannot comment on just
how Bolger recommends she be built/assembled.
If by"small sea passages" you mean protected water or sheltered
water,then the answer is yes.If open stretches are what is intended
however,then I would say a reserved yes,just so long as you be
careful about the weather forcast.
I am the builder of the WINDERMERE and my pictures show a basic
building jig.Very,very easy to build and very important for the
proper assembly of the WINDERMERE bottom and boxkeel.Again,I have not
seen the CHAMPLAIN building instructions so cannot comment about
Bolgers recommendations.
The hull and sides for WINDERMERE are cut out from a full size
pre-assembled panel measuring aproximately 8' X 32'.Onto this panel
is traced the profile(outline) of the sides as prescribed by Bolger.I
believe it is the same process for the CHAMPLAIN,ie; panel dimensions
8' X 24'.
I can appreciate your attraction to this beautiful design since
it offers so much space,capacity,comfort and economy in a tight(small)
package.There is nothing really complicated about the building of her
but you must adhere to the plans from the designer.Whether or not you
possess the abilities/talents to actually build a CHAMPLAIN is
difficult to say.If you have successfully built other boats(larger or
smaller),then I would hope the CHAMPLAIN falls within your talents.If
you have built other structures like houses,cabins etc,the same
applies,in so much that wood working tools are not strange to you.
Boat building,especially Beautiful Bolger Boxes,is not
complicated.It simply is an orderly sequence of small steps,like a
jig-saw puzzle.You start off with a finite number of parts and end up
with one cohessive whole.A process of ellimination,as it were.
Finally,25 sheets of 1/2" plywood sounds like the begining of
something beautiful!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,builder of easy jigs/strongbacks and WINDERMERE,from
along the St.Lawrence............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "aquatronclaus <aquatronboat@h...>"
<aquatronboat@h...> wrote:
, is
> that boat capable to make small sea passages? The only thing I seeset
> is, that the windermere builder has build a very complicated jig
> up, is that really nessecery? Is it not possible to built it thethe
> Sharpie way, wher the bottom is laid and bend over the sides and
> then attach the boxkeel on the bottom? Are they other ways to build
> that boat, if you don´t like to do the complicated jig setup? Is
> cabin sides plywood, or lumber like on the Idaho? How many sheetsof
> ply do I need for building this design, I have already 25 sheetsfor
> the Idaho 31, but I hope to use them for the Champlain instead. Idescriptions
> hope this design not is too complicated for me, I am sure that I am
> able to built the Idaho after I have read the plans and
> over and over again, I don´t hope the Champlain is morecomplicated,
> just some more works and materials I guess.
> Claus
I have searched for the boat for me, I now am sure that is has to be
the very lovely Champlain, that boat has a lot of usefull space, is
that boat capable to make small sea passages? The only thing I see
is, that the windermere builder has build a very complicated jig set
up, is that really nessecery? Is it not possible to built it the
Sharpie way, wher the bottom is laid and bend over the sides and
then attach the boxkeel on the bottom? Are they other ways to build
that boat, if you don´t like to do the complicated jig setup? Is the
cabin sides plywood, or lumber like on the Idaho? How many sheets of
ply do I need for building this design, I have already 25 sheets for
the Idaho 31, but I hope to use them for the Champlain instead. I
hope this design not is too complicated for me, I am sure that I am
able to built the Idaho after I have read the plans and descriptions
over and over again, I don´t hope the Champlain is more complicated,
just some more works and materials I guess.
Claus
the very lovely Champlain, that boat has a lot of usefull space, is
that boat capable to make small sea passages? The only thing I see
is, that the windermere builder has build a very complicated jig set
up, is that really nessecery? Is it not possible to built it the
Sharpie way, wher the bottom is laid and bend over the sides and
then attach the boxkeel on the bottom? Are they other ways to build
that boat, if you don´t like to do the complicated jig setup? Is the
cabin sides plywood, or lumber like on the Idaho? How many sheets of
ply do I need for building this design, I have already 25 sheets for
the Idaho 31, but I hope to use them for the Champlain instead. I
hope this design not is too complicated for me, I am sure that I am
able to built the Idaho after I have read the plans and descriptions
over and over again, I don´t hope the Champlain is more complicated,
just some more works and materials I guess.
Claus